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Elsa
10-18-2015, 02:01 AM
I've looked but can't find this anywhere. A search on the belgian government website comes p with nothing. Would you mind sending me a link or screenshot? Really keen to see how things are worded or alluded to on other country official sites. Thanks

Om welke digitale diensten gaat het?

Elektronische diensten.

Dit zijn diensten die over het internet of een digitaal netwerk worden geleverd. Ze zijn grotendeels geautomatiseerd en kunnen niet zonder informatietechnologie worden geleverd.

Voorbeelden:
onlineverkeersinformatie en -weerberichten, onlinedagbladen en –tijdschriften, onlinegegevensopslag, toegang tot of downloaden van software, gebruik van zoekmachines en onlinespelen.



Telecommunicatiediensten.

Deze diensten gaan over de transmissie, uitzending of ontvangst van signalen, tekst, beelden, geluiden of informatie via draad, radiogolven, optische of andere elektromagnetische systemen. Daarbij horen ook de overdracht en het verlenen van het recht om gebruik te maken van capaciteit voor een dergelijke transmissie, uitzending of ontvangst.

Voorbeelden:
telefonie, sms, toegang tot internet en voicemail.

I cant make screenshots on my tablet. Above is the text on the website of the Netherlands.
Will look for the Belgian one in my tablet history later.

sexysusie
10-18-2015, 02:05 AM
Translated that says:

To which digital services are involved?

Electronic services.

These are services that are delivered over the Internet or a digital network. They are largely automated and can not do without information technology are supplied .

Examples:
online traffic and weather reports , online newspapers and journals , online data storage , access to or downloading of software , use of search engines and online play .


Telecommunications services.

These services over the transmission , emission or reception of signals, writing , images, sounds or information by wire, radio, optical or other electromagnetic systems. This also includes the transfer or assignment of the right to use capacity for such transmission , emission or reception .

Examples:
telephony , text messaging, Internet access and voicemail .

Which is the same as the gov.uk info. It doesn't say webcam is a digital service, it says digital services are largely or completely automated.

CrazyK
10-18-2015, 03:21 AM
CATBBW.....They rejected mine again too :( Im like you..what we pay tax/Ni wise is nothing to do with them

Classy_Katy
10-18-2015, 03:32 AM
I'm not bothered if they know how much I earn...I am bothered though that they have so much information that could be used identify theft if they get hacked. Our earnings show that we are trading, and this is what they need proof of...they fact that we are working on their site should show this but they want it in an official document.

I haven't been on IM again yet today but very frustrated a potential customer could not get into paid with me. Will try to upload another doc now...

Edit - the page isn't accepting the doc I'm trying to attach for the last section...comes up as if I haven't added anything, aarrgghh!

Elsa
10-18-2015, 04:09 AM
Translated that says:

To which digital services are involved?

Electronic services.

These are services that are delivered over the Internet or a digital network. They are largely automated and can not do without information technology are supplied .

Examples:
online traffic and weather reports , online newspapers and journals , online data storage , access to or downloading of software , use of search engines and online play .


Telecommunications services.

These services over the transmission , emission or reception of signals, writing , images, sounds or information by wire, radio, optical or other electromagnetic systems. This also includes the transfer or assignment of the right to use capacity for such transmission , emission or reception .

Examples:
telephony , text messaging, Internet access and voicemail .

Which is the same as the gov.uk info. It doesn't say webcam is a digital service, it says digital services are largely or completely automated.

It says: telecommunication services: broadcasting signals, sounds or video.

It also effect erotic webcamming. A website that offers "paranormal readings" through webcam (you connect to their chatroom just the same as you would on any erotic webcam website) is also effect by this law. I don't think it will make a difference if you tell people their granny looks over them, or if you tell them their sweaty penis is just what we were waiting for all day, law wise.

TawnyAsstronut
10-18-2015, 05:51 AM
It says: telecommunication services: broadcasting signals, sounds or video.

It also effect erotic webcamming. A website that offers "paranormal readings" through webcam (you connect to their chatroom just the same as you would on any erotic webcam website) is also effect by this law. I don't think it will make a difference if you tell people their granny looks over them, or if you tell them their sweaty penis is just what we were waiting for all day, law wise.

Hehehe!! You wins!! Most funny post i reads today!!

Classy_Katy
10-18-2015, 06:48 AM
Trying not to lose my cool with AW right now. This is what they say they need - http://www.adultwork.com/LKBA.asp?A=765

It includes - A Personal Tax return stating you are Self-employed showing a profit or a loss.

BUT tax returns do not state that we are self-employed...it is implicit because it is in our own name! Email sent again...

EDIT - found a section on the tax return that talks about self employment - trying again!

EDIT - a tax return isn't evidence of running a business - so our contract with AW isn't evidence of that?!

TawnyAsstronut
10-18-2015, 07:11 AM
Trying not to lose my cool with AW right now. This is what they say they need - http://www.adultwork.com/LKBA.asp?A=765

It includes - A Personal Tax return stating you are Self-employed showing a profit or a loss.

BUT tax returns do not state that we are self-employed...it is implicit because it is in our own name! Email sent again...

EDIT - found a section on the tax return that talks about self employment - trying again!

EDIT - a tax return isn't evidence of running a business - so our contract with AW isn't evidence of that?!

hehehe AW self emplyment!! it mor like guy givin me candy money to molst me!! i movin on with my life,,,i rather collect recycle thn headache over this,,,how u surviv on this??? cam biz wast of time unless u have sum special powers.

Classy_Katy
10-18-2015, 07:21 AM
I don't have to pay the bills...otherwise I couldn't!

I see that they will accept an NI demand/acknowledge of payment...I'll try that if my latest attempt fails!

miss cleo
10-18-2015, 08:26 AM
I cant find any mention of self employment on my tax return and ive binned the letters about NI so ive emailed my accountant asking him to forward me something.

Classy_Katy
10-18-2015, 08:50 AM
I cant find any mention of self employment on my tax return and ive binned the letters about NI so ive emailed my accountant asking him to forward me something.

It's on the first page of my online return, it's just one line asking if you were self employed that year, under the heading "what makes up your tax return". They want the whole page so they can see it's yours. Your return may look different though if done by an accountant.

sexysusie
10-18-2015, 09:02 AM
I cannot find mention of erotic webcamming anywhere?

The definition of "digital goods" is the same broadly speaking, across all EU member states. They are "largely automated" with "Minimal human interaction" https://www.taxamo.com/definition-of-e-services/



It says: telecommunication services: broadcasting signals, sounds or video.

It also effect erotic webcamming. A website that offers "paranormal readings" through webcam (you connect to their chatroom just the same as you would on any erotic webcam website) is also effect by this law. I don't think it will make a difference if you tell people their granny looks over them, or if you tell them their sweaty penis is just what we were waiting for all day, law wise.

Blonde-Ambition
10-18-2015, 10:18 AM
what did you end up sending in please sally?

My new details have been accepted again. until they change their minds again LOL

Now I just have to hope that my internet connection can last the night, as it went off at 10:30 last night

Blonde-Ambition
10-18-2015, 10:23 AM
did anything get accepted katy?

I don't have to pay the bills...otherwise I couldn't!

I see that they will accept an NI demand/acknowledge of payment...I'll try that if my latest attempt fails!

Classy_Katy
10-18-2015, 10:57 AM
Finally accepted again! I sent the first page of my last tax return (which I did online) that had my name, address, UTR and the self employed bit. I had earlier sent the page that had my profit/loss. I also sent a pic of my passport.

Elsa
10-18-2015, 02:10 PM
I cannot find mention of erotic webcamming anywhere?

The definition of "digital goods" is the same broadly speaking, across all EU member states. They are "largely automated" with "Minimal human interaction" https://www.taxamo.com/definition-of-e-services/

There is no need to mention erotic webcamming, it contains all signal, video and audio feed.
I'm not happy with it, but cammming falls under the digital VAT law.

What is weird, is that we pay the VAT to AW, we should be able to keep it and to pay it with our taxes at the end of the year.

tropo
10-18-2015, 04:06 PM
im verifid in philippines an 4 sure aw take 20% of there 30%:( an eu people pay extra per minute on me:( an i not earn anything an will switching new site soon as i can:(

I was trying to help you, but you weren't listening. If you are a Philippine resident and streaming from the Philippines, you will NOT be charged VAT on your administration fee. This has been covered in an AW help article, stating you have to send 2 proofs of your Philippine residence. If you are already a verified model, then all you need is one more proof such as a verified phone number, a utility bill etc. If you have satisfied AW VAT exempt requirements you will see "VAT: PH exempt" on the very bottom of your profile page.

Also, all customers accessing AW from outside the EU zone will not see the VAT adjusted rates.

Obviously as a Philippine resident you are not subject to EU VAT.

sexysusie
10-18-2015, 08:26 PM
It only includes video feed when it's a recording of a previous live feed, or when it's broadcast at the same time as being shown on TV. Live webcam does not count, it's the same as "live webinar" and online teaching that is real time. HMRC have confirmed this. Read the guidelines. There's a reason so many of us are caught up in researching this - AW are wrong in how they are interpreting the directives. For you to sit back and say oh well that's how it is, you must have money to burn. lucky you!





There is no need to mention erotic webcamming, it contains all signal, video and audio feed.
I'm not happy with it, but cammming falls under the digital VAT law.

What is weird, is that we pay the VAT to AW, we should be able to keep it and to pay it with our taxes at the end of the year.

Classy_Katy
10-19-2015, 03:43 AM
We're not minimum interaction...our content is, but webcam shows aren't. I just checked with a UK psychic site...works like AW, you find the person you want, click and get connected, and they're not charging VAT.

Elsa
10-19-2015, 04:11 AM
It only includes video feed when it's a recording of a previous live feed, or when it's broadcast at the same time as being shown on TV. Live webcam does not count, it's the same as "live webinar" and online teaching that is real time. HMRC have confirmed this. Read the guidelines. There's a reason so many of us are caught up in researching this - AW are wrong in how they are interpreting the directives. For you to sit back and say oh well that's how it is, you must have money to burn. lucky you!

Belgian government phone-helpline says live video feed also falls under the digital goods law, as well as phone calls to for example a paranormal company.
You also have to pay VAT if you have a company, let's say I would own an online shop (no physical shops) and I would have a service number for customers to ask qustions about products or services. That service would also fall under the VAT service.

At least, this is what the Belgian government says.

Princess_ki
10-19-2015, 07:29 AM
My VAT details got accepted on Saturday ... And they took there 6% admin charge off. My money got transferred today. What it says on the transfer page wasn't what I got transferred my money is short?!? Has anyone else had this?

Blonde-Ambition
10-19-2015, 07:52 AM
Finally accepted again! I sent the first page of my last tax return (which I did online) that had my name, address, UTR and the self employed bit. I had earlier sent the page that had my profit/loss. I also sent a pic of my passport.

I can't see that part on my online SA!?
It just shows me how much I made and how much I paid in tax and NI?
has my UTR at the top of the page but nothing about being self employed
this is tax return from 2014 tho as accountant has all my 2015 bits ready to process

Sally Says
10-19-2015, 08:50 AM
Ki, ill be transferring tomorrow so will keep an eye out!

Princess_ki
10-19-2015, 10:30 AM
Yea the money I got paid today def isn't what is on my transfer history let me know how u get on x

Vlodina
10-19-2015, 11:17 AM
Yea the money I got paid today def isn't what is on my transfer history let me know how u get on x

I've just looked and I'm pretty sure they have screwed me out of almost £10. Going to wait until tomorrow when more details will show on my bank statement, just in case the money is from somewhere else (but I'm 99.99% sure it's from AW).

sexysusie
10-19-2015, 11:35 AM
Hey Elsa, they seem confused (as do most people!). The directives include a list of what services and goods are and are not affected by the changes https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-supplying-digital-services-to-private-consumers/vat-businesses-supplying-digital-services-to-private-consumers#defining-electronically-supplied. I actually asked HMRC (on the multiple conversations I've now had with them) if it could be different in Cyprus (or anywhere) and they said no (although i've been trying to verify this hence the questions). So while it does seem inescapable that they now have to show VAT at the rate of the end user's EU country, they shouldn't be doing so for webcam or skype. Still need clarification on phone services.

As an update to anyone who is interested I am going to the UKAP general meeting in holborn on November 5th to discuss this with other industry professionals. if anyone would like to attend with me let me know.

Princess_ki
10-19-2015, 12:11 PM
I've just looked and I'm pretty sure they have screwed me out of almost £10. Going to wait until tomorrow when more details will show on my bank statement, just in case the money is from somewhere else (but I'm 99.99% sure it's from AW).

Mine is £40 short I have no idea why?!? Iv emailed them just waiting for a reply!!

Blue-Velvet
10-19-2015, 03:28 PM
It's not just you. I just noticed that they adjusted the amount due to me on the credit transfer requests page, however what was *actually* paid into my bank account today was the amount it was before it was VAT adjusted. My tax return, NI statement, etc. was finally accepted a few days ago, but I had made the credit transfer request before this. I was paid £23.16 less than what the website now says I was due. I've just written to them explaining, so we'll see if it gets corrected. I hope the same thing doesn't happen next week as that was another transfer request I made before having my documents accepted.

Princess_ki
10-19-2015, 03:53 PM
It's not just you. I just noticed that they adjusted the amount due to me on the credit transfer requests page, however what was *actually* paid into my bank account today was the amount it was before it was VAT adjusted. My tax return, NI statement, etc. was finally accepted a few days ago, but I had made the credit transfer request before this. I was paid £23.16 less than what the website now says I was due. I've just written to them explaining, so we'll see if it gets corrected. I hope the same thing doesn't happen next week as that was another transfer request I made before having my documents accepted.

Thank you for answering ... Not just me then!!! That's exactly the same as me!! I hope it doesn't happen to next weeks aswel because I transferred that aswel before my VAT details got excepted !! I hope we get it back :-( Iv sent them a email keep me updated if you get a reply xxx

sexysusie
10-19-2015, 07:07 PM
Ladies my pay hasn't been affected as I am with dailypay and they are taking care of everything their end. You should email AW through the help centre with this issue and also remind them that you are due a refund for the VAT paid since October 1st.

justme13
10-19-2015, 11:46 PM
I am not an uk, but i am from europe, is it normal for them to ask 2 ID's ? On their main register page goes without two, but then i get emails they wish 2 due to latest frauds and stuff like. Just because i am from a country they don't agree doesnt mean i am a cheater or a spammer, isnt this a bit of discrimination?

Blue-Velvet
10-20-2015, 03:04 AM
I emailed them last night, still waiting on a reply. They "refunded" me for the VAT paid (ie. the extra 6%) since 1 Oct by correcting the amounts on my credit transfer requests. They even sent the confirmation email this morning (UK Bank CHAPS Transfer Submitted) with the correct amount that should have landed in my bank yesterday. What actually appeared in my bank was the "old" amount when VAT still applied. I accept things are chaotic for them at the moment between the VAT issue and the rumoured change of ownership, however it's difficult not to feel like things are fucking shambolic and they are alienating their customer base in a very bad way.

Princess_ki
10-20-2015, 03:51 AM
I emailed them last night, still waiting on a reply. They "refunded" me for the VAT paid (ie. the extra 6%) since 1 Oct by correcting the amounts on my credit transfer requests. They even sent the confirmation email this morning (UK Bank CHAPS Transfer Submitted) with the correct amount that should have landed in my bank yesterday. What actually appeared in my bank was the "old" amount when VAT still applied. I accept things are chaotic for them at the moment between the VAT issue and the rumoured change of ownership, however it's difficult not to feel like things are fucking shambolic and they are alienating their customer base in a very bad way.

Exactly what has happened to me!!! I emailed them yesterday still waiting for a reply !! X

Blue-Velvet
10-20-2015, 04:38 AM
Ok got a reply:

Hello

Thank you for your email.

It would appear that the re-calculation on the VAT has not been correctly deducted on your latest credit transfer due to a technical issue.

We are currently in the process of addressing this and will advise as soon as it has been rectified.

Please rest assured that any credits due will be transferred to you as soon as possible.

Apologies for any inconvenience caused and thank you for your patience and co-operation.

Regards
The AdultWork.com Team

Vlodina
10-20-2015, 05:16 AM
I got the same reply. Were they going to even mention it if nobody said anything? Ahh, not trusting them at all at the moment. I don't think they know their arse from their elbow.

kinkydirtybitch
10-20-2015, 08:25 AM
My overpaid VAT came through in today's payment which was a nice surprise!

TawnyAsstronut
10-20-2015, 08:31 AM
I was trying to help you, but you weren't listening. If you are a Philippine resident and streaming from the Philippines, you will NOT be charged VAT on your administration fee. This has been covered in an AW help article, stating you have to send 2 proofs of your Philippine residence. If you are already a verified model, then all you need is one more proof such as a verified phone number, a utility bill etc. If you have satisfied AW VAT exempt requirements you will see "VAT: PH exempt" on the very bottom of your profile page.

Also, all customers accessing AW from outside the EU zone will not see the VAT adjusted rates.

Obviously as a Philippine resident you are not subject to EU VAT.

I listens 2 u an i thanks u 4 ur help!! last week i submit my credit 4 payout an they keep 20% of there 35% admin fee an the ways i understand the law they can do that cuz they automate the fee in eu,,,now at bottom of all my page they say no vat cuz i phil,,,but i cant c this week cuz i dun make enuf 2 cash out:(

Whut u say in msg bout me not lisening is unright,,,aw is my unli incom i try others sites an theys no good 2 me,,,f4f only 18% u joking me??? my 1st 2 yrs aw i doing 1k credit a week,,,i been on aw 3 year now,,,this week i dun 60 credit wurking same hour as alwuz,,,i jus sayin better way 2 make money than this,,,i can make more in bar or recycle than 60 credit,,,so thankie 4 ur help i jus sayin why wase times aw an vat??? aw dun care ifs i gots 5 minor an a jungle jim an they all vomits,,,hows i compete with that 4 same bili???

Blue-Velvet
10-20-2015, 10:44 AM
My overpaid VAT came through in today's payment which was a nice surprise!

Oooh me too! Just checked my account again and the missing amount has now appeared.

Blonde-Ambition
10-20-2015, 11:21 AM
what did you girls end up sending in please?

sexysusie
10-20-2015, 11:22 AM
You need to send your most recent tax return, preferably showing your NI information, plus ID x

Blonde-Ambition
10-20-2015, 01:06 PM
that's what I sent suzie but it got rejected :(
x

Blonde-Ambition
10-20-2015, 01:19 PM
oh hold on, I have another one I'm going to try.
this tax document goes in the bit for uploading commercial activity

what needs to go in the bit that says proof document? (under the bit where u have to put UTR in)
sure that wasn't on the last one when I sent in before?!
or is it just uploading proof of commercial activity again!?

thanks girls
xx

Blue-Velvet
10-20-2015, 01:40 PM
oh hold on, I have another one I'm going to try.
this tax document goes in the bit for uploading commercial activity

what needs to go in the bit that says proof document? (under the bit where u have to put UTR in)
sure that wasn't on the last one when I sent in before?!
or is it just uploading proof of commercial activity again!?

thanks girls
xx
In the UTR bit, I put an entire pdf of my last tax return. I used my passport for ID, and in the commercial activity bit, I put a photo of my last NI class 2 bill. Mine got accepted. Good luck! xx

Blonde-Ambition
10-20-2015, 02:51 PM
awesome thank you hun
x

CrazyK
10-21-2015, 02:08 AM
Ive used my last tax return, a tax statement and Ni proof and was all rejected

CrazyK
10-21-2015, 02:10 AM
In the UTR bit, I put an entire pdf of my last tax return. I used my passport for ID, and in the commercial activity bit, I put a photo of my last NI class 2 bill. Mine got accepted. Good luck! xx

I done all this and it was still rejected :(

Classy_Katy
10-21-2015, 02:26 AM
Did they say why Crazy? If not, contact them and ask.

CatBBW
10-21-2015, 05:34 AM
You need to send your most recent tax return, preferably showing your NI information, plus ID x

I file a paper return - what can I send in now? I originally sent my most recent tax calculation letter (blocking out the figures etc) but it then got rejected after review.

Classy_Katy
10-21-2015, 06:15 AM
This is what they will accept - note that they want to see the parts of your tax return that include you stating that you were self-employed and the profit/loss figures. They need to see your UTR, name and address too.

Currently these are the only documents we will accept for review:

1. A Personal Tax return stating you are Self-employed showing a profit or a loss. For companies who are not VAT registered a corporate Tax return showing a profit or a loss.

The above two can be in your name, your Business name or if you are trading as an entity it will say '[your name] Trading as'.

2. Class 2 or 4 NI demands or acknowledgement of payment made.

The above two can be in your name, or if you are trading as an entity it will say '[your name] Trading as'.

Providing the name and address that appears on the Self assessment form (that you have uploaded to evidence your UTR number) relates to a Business name or 'Trading as' name, we will also accept for review the following:

3. Your business Letterhead Stationery

4. Copy of contract between your business and another

5. A website domain registration or renewal receipt (this can be in your personal name, your business or a 'trading as' name).

CatBBW
10-21-2015, 06:43 AM
This is what they will accept - note that they want to see the parts of your tax return that include you stating that you were self-employed and the profit/loss figures. They need to see your UTR, name and address too.

Currently these are the only documents we will accept for review:

1. A Personal Tax return stating you are Self-employed showing a profit or a loss. For companies who are not VAT registered a corporate Tax return showing a profit or a loss.

The above two can be in your name, your Business name or if you are trading as an entity it will say '[your name] Trading as'.

2. Class 2 or 4 NI demands or acknowledgement of payment made.

The above two can be in your name, or if you are trading as an entity it will say '[your name] Trading as'.

Providing the name and address that appears on the Self assessment form (that you have uploaded to evidence your UTR number) relates to a Business name or 'Trading as' name, we will also accept for review the following:

3. Your business Letterhead Stationery

4. Copy of contract between your business and another

5. A website domain registration or renewal receipt (this can be in your personal name, your business or a 'trading as' name).

Yes, I read all that. I am not giving them my income details, it's none of their business. Even so, as I file a paper return, there isn't any proof of my profit/loss, just a profit figure on my tax calculation letter. And the NI demands etc will give them my national insurance number - that's another no thanks.