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Blue-Velvet
11-09-2016, 01:16 PM
Do you have the same photos on other websites (like your own), or have they been stolen and used by other people? You can do a reverse image search and see if they pop up anywhere else. You can't use your Adultwork profile pics anywhere else.
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 04:59 AM
Hi Girls,
So i have decided to leave my vanilla corporate career and cam full time. I have been camming since January and i currently cam a couple of hours weekday eves and weekends. I do around 20 hours a week atm and i average at 25 p/ hour and this is me not showing face as i like to be discreet i also wear wigs etc. I'm wondering about hours to work. Like which hours do you guys work do you do straight 8 hour shifts or do you do shifts broken down like say 7am-10 then 2pm - 5pm. Just wondering. I'm really nervous about doing itfull time but i think I'm ready to take the plunge. I currently cam on aw and sm but 80 pc of income comes from aw. Looking to introduce indy as well as phone and text sex also
sexysusie
11-11-2016, 05:06 AM
I cam sporadically at all hours though more usually in the evenings/late nights. Others do day shifts or set regular hours. It's different for everyone so just find what works for you x
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 05:09 AM
currently in week days i do 6pm -9pm as that's when i get in from work and i find it deaaad those hours so make most money on weekends during the mornings etc. what hours do you work in the evenings?
sexysusie
11-11-2016, 05:10 AM
I don't have set hours, I go on whenever I feel like it. I'm not a schedule sort of person x
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 05:24 AM
ok no worries. anyone else i would be interested to know your hours, thanks
Classy_Katy
11-11-2016, 05:25 AM
currently in week days i do 6pm -9pm as that's when i get in from work and i find it deaaad those hours so make most money on weekends during the mornings etc. what hours do you work in the evenings?
I would be very wary of giving up a permanent, full time job for this work. Adultwork is notorious for being busiest for us when we're regarded as new, and it can take a lot to maintain that level of income, although there will be some who say they earn loads doing nothing at all and have done for years, the reality for others can be very different. I don't cam in the evenings, only during the day on weekdays...usually 10.30am-2.30pm, which is through necessity rather than choice. The best hours to work are the ones that work best for you.
LolaLu
11-11-2016, 05:28 AM
I'm the same as suzy. Tend to cam more daytime but I'm not a schedule type person. Saying that, when I started I worked pm, eves amd late nights. 1-3pm, 7-9pm and 10 or 11-1am and that worked well. I still struggle to cam for more than 2 hours at a time but that's probably because I work a free room. I can do straight 6 or 8 hours if I don't but personally that massively affects my takings
LolaLu
11-11-2016, 05:30 AM
I would be very wary of giving up a permanent, full time job for this work. Adultwork is notorious for being busiest for us when we're regarded as new, and it can take a lot to maintain that level of income, although there will be some who say they earn loads doing nothing at all and have done for years, the reality for others can be very different. I don't cam in the evenings, only during the day on weekdays...usually 10.30am-2.30pm, which is through necessity rather than choice. The best hours to work are the ones that work best for you.
I don't agree. If you're going to work it instead of a full time job and put similar hours in you can make so much more with the benefits of working at home and not dealing with the shit that comes with working with others. Just don't put all your eggs in the AW basket. There is a new alternative to aw coming soon so keep your out for that to work alongside as well
sexysusie
11-11-2016, 05:36 AM
Don't be in a hurry to jump ship to anything that calls itself an AW alternative. AW is literally the only well paying site with traffic that the UK can take advantage from. Others have tried to take them on.. and failed lol
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 05:39 AM
whats the new aw alternative?
yeah i do sm also but i don't make much from there i don't get a lot of traffic even though my placement is good. Thanks for the positive vibes about going full time. Besides if full time doesn't work out money wise i can also get another vanilla job in the sector i currently work in anyway. I have done the numbers and based on my averages per hour i should make the same money as i do atm doing both jobs or if anything possibly more.
sexysusie
11-11-2016, 05:43 AM
Forget vanilla, even without camming there's tons of ways to make money with adult, from home :D
Classy_Katy
11-11-2016, 06:14 AM
I have done the numbers and based on my averages per hour i should make the same money as i do atm doing both jobs or if anything possibly more.
Don't forget to factor in the loss of employment rights. Sick pay, pension...
LolaLu
11-11-2016, 07:09 AM
Don't be in a hurry to jump ship to anything that calls itself an AW alternative. AW is literally the only well paying site with traffic that the UK can take advantage from. Others have tried to take them on.. and failed lol
I completely agree and that's why I suggested to work it alongside AW.
LolaLu
11-11-2016, 07:11 AM
Forget vanilla, even without camming there's tons of ways to make money with adult, from home :D
Would you mind messagin me some ideas pls hun x
LolaLu
11-11-2016, 07:13 AM
Don't forget to factor in the loss of employment rights. Sick pay, pension...
Nowadays you get hardly any employment rights until you've been somewhere 2 years. No pension and no sick pay. (Besides what the government offer). No holiday pay I agree but the freedom to work more prior and after to cover that. X
winnipeg
11-11-2016, 07:48 AM
whats the new aw alternative?
yeah i do sm also but i don't make much from there i don't get a lot of traffic even though my placement is good. Thanks for the positive vibes about going full time. Besides if full time doesn't work out money wise i can also get another vanilla job in the sector i currently work in anyway. I have done the numbers and based on my averages per hour i should make the same money as i do atm doing both jobs or if anything possibly more.
The only downside to camming is the hours aren't stable. In a full time job you know what your getting each month pay wise but with this, some days great and other days are awful. I'd suggest utilising multiple branches of income as others have suggested.
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 08:38 AM
thanks for the advice girls. Fab as always. I read this forum a lot and when i go full time in a few weeks I'm planning on doing
-adultwork - camming, phone chat and text
-streamate - camming
-indy sites
- also planning on joining a phone sex company
- also will start selling vids too
any other ideas girls? or anything I'm missing
i only do prvt based sites and i offer free chat ( this is what works for me) I'm thinking to split cam with a 3rd site soon. I currently do sm and aw. What third private based site do you think would be good for me. Bearing in mind i don't show face because i know some sites like cams u have to show face and i just will not
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 08:39 AM
oh and panty selling i meant to put on too!
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 08:40 AM
katy you seem to be really anti cam? whats going on lol. You sound like your not having good experiences?
sexysusie
11-11-2016, 08:45 AM
That'll definitely keep you busy enough lol! Clips are really handy for ongoing (semi) passive income. You can also make money through affiliate sales - Use your cammodels link when you go online on streamate, anyone who joins with that link you'll get an extra 20% on what he spends on you and a further % of everything he spends on other ladies :)
Re other adult income
Affiliate programs (all the major sites have one)
Whitelabels
Phone sex
Sexting
Clips
Custom videos
Panties
Snapchat
Kik
Virtual arrangements
Studio/referring models
Fetish modelling
Glamour modelling
Vlogging/blogs etc x
sexysusie
11-11-2016, 08:47 AM
I think she is just quite rightly pointing out that it's a risky proposition and there is lots to factor in. Camming, or certainly making all your income from camming isn't easy x
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 09:00 AM
yeah i get that and thankyou for all the help and advice. The way i have been looking at it though is that i cam two full days a week (if u add all my hours up across the days in the week) and i make around 500/600 a week. Just from camming. So i saw it as hang on if i add another 5 days in the week on plus do clips, texting, calls, panties all the rest of it i should make even more than what I'm doing with cam and vanilla combined. I have worked out targets with tax etc all combined and i will be happy on 150-200 pounds my share a day. However if i can make upto 300 a day i will be very happy. I have done that quite a few times before (300) i have been camming today as i have the day off work and I'm on 180 my share so far and going to do camming late this eve also and bearing in mind i don't show face which everyone says is almost impossible to make good money doing so so i feel touch wood i have been doing ok
LolaLu
11-11-2016, 09:16 AM
Unfortunately you can't just multiply your hours up to see what you'll be earning. Some days you can go on for 5 hours and earn £600 others you go on for 5 hours and struggle to get to £100. It really is swings and roundabouts. I do also think that being 'too' available can be detrimental. Content is essential. Phone chat, texting and Skype shows help boost your earnings when cam isn't too great.
You have a plan and have clearly have thought about it. I would say, don't jump in all at once because it can become overwhelming juggling all this stuff. Try and take one thing and get comfortable doing that then add something else. And I mean indie and other sites rather than adding services to aw
Good luck with it. It has its ups but it does also have its downs and they tend to be tough to work through.
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 09:34 AM
yeah i see what your saying, but i was basing those ideas of earnings on multiple times i have cammed, and at different times in the day and always my earnings per hour are around 25 pounds per hour the least its been is 18 an hour. So surely those are good figures to go by. We will see anyways. Thanks for the advice.
CanTheCan
11-11-2016, 12:46 PM
I have had the following response from Paxum after writing to enquire if EFT had been restored (as I had noticed some changes on their FEES page from what they had previously).
Paxum today wrote:
"The EFT feature is still not functional. We will notify all our users as soon as it is restored."
Re: a (UK) Debit Card I added this week:
They also wrote:
The card can be used to withdraw your funds.
(Fees board state cost is $6 + 3%).
winnipeg
11-11-2016, 01:34 PM
Can anyone shed any light on the dps? Does anyone use it? I'm tempted to try it but I'm concerned if I join....will I then be placed under groups in the category list?
goddesslouboutin
11-11-2016, 03:19 PM
Hi Guys, another question
was visiting my accountant earlier and they talked about vat? and if I get to 80k when I go full time how does the vat stuff work. Does aw and sm charge vat to customers, I'm confused. at 80k will I have to reg for vat in this industry.
winnipeg
11-11-2016, 04:47 PM
Hi Guys, another question
was visiting my accountant earlier and they talked about vat? and if I get to 80k when I go full time how does the vat stuff work. Does aw and sm charge vat to customers, I'm confused. at 80k will I have to reg for vat in this industry.
Anyone who earns over 80k will need to be VAT registered. Then just send those details to AW. And let your accountant take care of the rest.
GeezLouise
11-12-2016, 01:01 AM
Right now you pay 20% VAT to Adultwork. This is charged on the 30% AW admin fee. So you pay 6% VAT everytime you want to cash out your earnings.
You can have this removed by uploading proof that you are self employed, HMRC documents etc.
Or you can join a daily payment group and they pay the 6% for you in return for a 6% service fee.
When you do make 80k or more you need to register for VAT. Adultwork then removes the VAT for you when you cash out, but you have to pay it to the HMRC.
You can avoid this by joining a daily payment group.
I am VAT registered but joined clubdailypay as it saves me money.
You don't charge VAT to customers on AW.
Basically the AW admin fee is a service they are providing you and you have to pay VAT on that.
Technically if you would sell a pair of panties for £10 on an Indy or non-adult website, you would have to charge £10 + £2VAT to the customer and send him an invoice.
CanTheCan
11-12-2016, 08:03 PM
I am VAT registered but joined clubdailypay as it saves me money.
I don't understand that or when Daily Pay groups advertise their service as free. Basically before the 6% fee for VAT was added, AW fee structure was:
30% Admin Fee
5% Facility Fee (on Direct Chat/Direct Cam)
TOTAL = 35%
Along came the extra 6% VAT fee, which combined with the other fees amounts to 41% fees. The 6% can waived if proof of being self-employed, UTR (unique tax reference) can be provided, so that brings it back to what they originally charged in total, 35%. However Groups advertise if you join them you will no longer pay that nasty VAT!! and, to me, imply that you will be back to paying 35% when in fact this is not true, yes you no longer be paying VAT if you join them but your 6% will be paid to them instead so in fact you are still having an outlay of 41% (regardless of how it is dispersed). I find this a tad misleading.
Also I fail to see how it saves you money if you are already VAT registered, i.e., at 35% but with then paying a further 6% to clubdailypay you are better off? Surely financially you would be better of paying 35% in fees rather than 41% or maybe I'm fikkkk! Happy to be enlightened.. by whoever. :O
sexysusie
11-12-2016, 08:47 PM
^ Yup, it's not a free service in any way shape or form, and doesn't save you any money. Any camgirl is entitled to add their OWN VAT or self-employment proof here http://www.adultwork.com/VATDetails.asp in order to have the VAT charge waived under reverse charge provision. The groups put in their own info (some of them) in order that the members of the group don't have to, but it's not a bonus/special feature and it's shady advertising it as such.
GeezLouise
11-13-2016, 02:33 AM
I don't understand that or when Daily Pay groups advertise their service as free. Basically before the 6% fee for VAT was added, AW fee structure was:
30% Admin Fee
5% Facility Fee (on Direct Chat/Direct Cam)
TOTAL = 35%
Along came the extra 6% VAT fee, which combined with the other fees amounts to 41% fees. The 6% can waived if proof of being self-employed, UTR (unique tax reference) can be provided, so that brings it back to what they originally charged in total, 35%. However Groups advertise if you join them you will no longer pay that nasty VAT!! and, to me, imply that you will be back to paying 35% when in fact this is not true, yes you no longer be paying VAT if you join them but your 6% will be paid to them instead so in fact you are still having an outlay of 41% (regardless of how it is dispersed). I find this a tad misleading.
Also I fail to see how it saves you money if you are already VAT registered, i.e., at 35% but with then paying a further 6% to clubdailypay you are better off? Surely financially you would be better of paying 35% in fees rather than 41% or maybe I'm fikkkk! Happy to be enlightened.. by whoever. :O
I am VAT registered, which means I have to pay the VAT fee. I just don't pay it to AW, but pay it with my taxes.
But because I am on clubdailypay they take the AW VAT away from me.
On my own I would pay a 20% VAT fee on the 30% Admin fee.
With clubdailypay I pay a 20% VAT fee on their 6% service fee.
So yes, it is cheaper.
I kind of understand why daily pay services advertise with free daily pay. This is because there are still plenty of AW members who have not uploaded their details to get the vat removed. Especially people who are new to AW and were not self employed the year before can have trouble doing so.
Because let's be fair, we all know how anal AW can be about certain things.
Blue-Velvet
11-13-2016, 05:34 AM
Unrelated to my previous post about re-bookings appearing as a different amount, I have another irritating thing that seems to happen completely arbitrarily. For example, this morning I received and accepted a 6 minute booking for 9.60 credits (I'm 1.60/min). When the booking came back as confirmed, the amount had dropped down to a round 9 credits. I've had the exact same guy with the exact same booking in the past, and it has gone through at the correct 9.60 amount.
The same thing has happened in the past with other bookings that have a decimal in the amount. It never drops when the booking is a nice, round number. It's mostly annoying because I cannot predict when it will happen. Sometimes it goes through correctly, sometimes it rounds itself down to a whole number.
I realise it's petty to bitch about .60 credits, but over weeks/months, that amount adds up and I would rather lose it to something like profile featuring than just lose it for no reason. I contacted AW, and they replied: "Hello Please review the following Help Centre Article entitled 'My credit statement is crediting me less than the prices which are being advertised to my customers.'. http://www.adultwork.com/LKBA.asp?A=747". Of course the link is all about VAT being added, which I'm pretty sure isn't applicable to phone/cam bookings. In any case, if it were a matter of VAT being added/deducted, 20% VAT on my 9.60 amount is £1.92, not 60p! It's so annoying when they don't actually seem to read your query, but skim it for key words and fob you off with a link that's totally not the answer. Am I wrong here and missing something??
sexysusie
11-13-2016, 05:57 AM
The VAT is only on the administration fee to process your credits. Email again and copy in your original message until they respond appropriately.
Blue-Velvet
11-13-2016, 06:17 AM
The VAT is only on the administration fee to process your credits. Email again and copy in your original message until they respond appropriately.
Yeah, I replied back and pointed out that customers were charged VAT on ditgital products, ie. photos, movies, erotica, etc, but as this was a 1-on-1 live phone chat booking, their link was irrelevant to my inquiry. I'd be much happier if they just said, "Sorry. It's a weird glitch and we have no idea how to correct it" than to refer me to a link that has nothing to do with my problem. They may as well have sent me a photo of Ronald McDonald as a reply.
sexysusie
11-13-2016, 07:18 AM
I am VAT registered, which means I have to pay the VAT fee. I just don't pay it to AW, but pay it with my taxes.
Unless you meet the 83k threshold to pay VAT then you aren't saving anything by doing this.
winnipeg
11-13-2016, 07:50 AM
Yeah, I replied back and pointed out that customers were charged VAT on ditgital products, ie. photos, movies, erotica, etc, but as this was a 1-on-1 live phone chat booking, their link was irrelevant to my inquiry. I'd be much happier if they just said, "Sorry. It's a weird glitch and we have no idea how to correct it" than to refer me to a link that has nothing to do with my problem. They may as well have sent me a photo of Ronald McDonald as a reply.
1.60x5 is 8? Where's 9.60 from?
Blue-Velvet
11-13-2016, 07:54 AM
1.60x5 is 8? Where's 9.60 from? ��
Argh! Yeah, I meant he booked for 6 minutes. I'll edit the original post. Thanks for pointing that out. x
GeezLouise
11-13-2016, 08:12 AM
Unless you meet the 83k threshold to pay VAT then you aren't saving anything by doing this.
And I do meet the VAT threshold, hence why I am VAT registered.
winnipeg
11-13-2016, 08:20 AM
Argh! Yeah, I meant he booked for 6 minutes. I'll edit the original post. Thanks for pointing that out. x
It should usually round up.....not down! I charge 1.55 and x5 that is 7.75 but as you said the system doesn't like this number so mine always rounds up to 8. Can you tinker your prices and see what happens?
Blue-Velvet
11-13-2016, 12:26 PM
It should usually round up.....not down! I charge 1.55 and x5 that is 7.75 but as you said the system doesn't like this number so mine always rounds up to 8. Can you tinker your prices and see what happens?
I might just start changing the amount myself to round up when they book. It's annoying as it doesn't ALWAYS do it, but I'm tired of it being a completely lottery as to whether it will pay me the confirmed amount or round down.
winnipeg
11-13-2016, 12:35 PM
I might just start changing the amount myself to round up when they book. It's annoying as it doesn't ALWAYS do it, but I'm tired of it being a completely lottery as to whether it will pay me the confirmed amount or round down.
So sometimes it does it correctly and other times it doesn't? Could the purchaser be rounding down by any chance? :/ only fix currently is to round up manually.
CanTheCan
11-13-2016, 04:07 PM
I am VAT registered, which means I have to pay the VAT fee. I just don't pay it to AW, but pay it with my taxes.
But because I am on clubdailypay they take the AW VAT away from me.
As you said in another thread on the Forum you have a Business Bank Account, so I assume you are paying VAT because you are registered that way. The majority of Performers aren’t on that threshold.
I kind of understand why daily pay services advertise with free daily pay. This is because there are still plenty of AW members who have not uploaded their details to get the vat removed.
Regardless of whether they are new or not is irrelevant, IMO it is still deceptive advertising it as ‘free’ as it gives the impression:
(1) being 'fee free' the Performer don’t have to pay the daily pay services a fee (& therefore if already VAT Fee exempt their total outlay will still stay at 35%).
(2) the fee goes back down to 35% once you join the Group, when in fact it just replaces one fee with another (& you are still going to be paying 41% - it implies you will be on 35% by saying you won’t/don't have to pay VAT, which is true but its then replaced with the fee the Group charge, even though they often state (or is it imply?) that it is free!). Your response indicates it is primarily worded/aimed at 'new' users who may not know any better.
All the Groups who offer this service seem to use this in their marketing/selling blurb.
If it were beyond the realms of the virtual world, am sure Trading Standards may have a field day!
Classy_Katy
11-13-2016, 10:44 PM
AW should be concerned with groups misrepresenting their services/charges. The terms state - AdultWork.com is operated in an open and honest fashion as a club for the benefit of the members. Anyone found to be acting in a manner deemed to be outside the spirit of the club or in any way against the interest of the club and its members will be removed and any credits they have accumulated will be forfeited. The Webmasters decision on this will be final.
GeezLouise
11-14-2016, 12:38 AM
As you said in another thread on the Forum you have a Business Bank Account, so I assume you are paying VAT because you are registered that way. The majority of Performers aren’t on that threshold.
Regardless of whether they are new or not is irrelevant, IMO it is still deceptive advertising it as ‘free’ as it gives the impression:
(1) being 'fee free' the Performer don’t have to pay the daily pay services a fee (& therefore if already VAT Fee exempt their total outlay will still stay at 35%).
(2) the fee goes back down to 35% once you join the Group, when in fact it just replaces one fee with another (& you are still going to be paying 41% - it implies you will be on 35% by saying you won’t/don't have to pay VAT, which is true but its then replaced with the fee the Group charge, even though they often state (or is it imply?) that it is free!). Your response indicates it is primarily worded/aimed at 'new' users who may not know any better.
All the Groups who offer this service seem to use this in their marketing/selling blurb.
If it were beyond the realms of the virtual world, am sure Trading Standards may have a field day!
I'm not saying I agree with their way of advertising, I am just saying I can understand why they say it as free.
Blue-Velvet
11-14-2016, 02:53 AM
So sometimes it does it correctly and other times it doesn't? Could the purchaser be rounding down by any chance? :/ only fix currently is to round up manually.
Yes, it does it correctly sometimes, and other times it rounds down. It's a complete lottery and there is no pattern as to when it decides to do it. It can't be the purchaser because when they submit the booking at 9.60 (or whatever the session amount works out to), I accept it at that rate. They can't then change it to a lower rate after I've accepted it. It happens like this: They submit booking at x amount, I accept x amount, they confirm x amount, AW then rounds it down. Unless I round the number up before I accept the booking, I risk AW rounding it down after it's confirmed.
No surprise that AW still haven't gotten back to me after I pointed out that their answer was irrelevant to my question.
winnipeg
11-14-2016, 04:27 AM
I have a question about those laws that were introduced in 2013/2014 which banned acts such as female ejaculation. I read these are also extended to vod/streaming. So does that mean any video uploaded where female ejaculation occurs is technically breaking the law?
GeezLouise
11-14-2016, 04:35 AM
I have a question about those laws that were introduced in 2013/2014 which banned acts such as female ejaculation. I read these are also extended to vod/streaming. So does that mean any video uploaded where female ejaculation occurs is technically breaking the law? ��
It is absolutely ridiculous that female ejaculation is forbidden. What if I would accidentally squirt on cam?
It's allright for a guy to spray his goods all over the place and girls are allowed to swallow it on video / cam, but female ejaculation is a step too far.
What a day to be alive...
I could understand that poo and pee would not be allowed.
Also don't understand why you can tick things as; watersports - hardsports - firsting in your likes list on your profile. But if you would upload a video doing any of those you would be in trouble.
Fucking double standards Adultwork.
Classy_Katy
11-14-2016, 04:49 AM
Can anyone recommend clip on hair extensions (real hair so they can be dyed or coloured fake hair) or coloured wigs, please?