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Blonde-Ambition
10-26-2020, 01:15 AM
i think the cam prices did change as i remember them being weird amounts! i could be wrong though! then they changed it back pretty quick!?
fetishqueen
10-26-2020, 01:19 AM
Depends how far back you're going, I've been on 4 years ish and I don't recall my cam prices being anything other than exactly what I've set, mind you I could be wrong too! I guess whatever's going to happen we will all be in the same boat but it doesn't seem like very long before the changes kick in so we do need proper clarification on this and what it means.
Blue-Velvet
10-26-2020, 02:26 AM
Here we go again. Now it looks like the only way you can get out of paying VAT on payouts is by being VAT registered. Last time, we just had to prove that we are a business or pay taxes or something like that. I'm sure the vast majority of people on this site don't make enough to be VAT registered. I find the idea of having to pay VAT on being paid absolutely fucking absurd.
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 02:30 AM
I know we pay VAT on our pics & movies so does this mean reading it it is added to cam prices again like years ago? so add 20% to them also we get charged if we pay positioning it crazy why this has happened all of a sudden too what has changed is it beacuse of brexit ? x
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 02:33 AM
so is this same as before susie when you helped fight to get it overturned if so why they doing it now changing it? x
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 02:40 AM
That email makes it look to me like VAT is added to cam prices? Reading this bit
'There are other activities on Site that are considered business-to-consumer where VAT will be levied on consumers. As with e-services today (e.g. movies and private galleries), this means VAT will be added to the prices you set and ultimately seen by your customers.'
I can handle the extra on fees (just) but I really, REALLY hope that it won't affect the prices the customer sees, that's a HUGE issue. As with others, some more clarification is needed.
yes to me that is how I read it think more clarity is needed as the worse thing in COVID times is guys paying more to see us makes it be alot harder x
ThatBritishCamGirl
10-26-2020, 03:37 AM
I’m so worried about all of this rn
Blonde-Ambition
10-26-2020, 03:39 AM
me too! when it happened before, it was so much harder! i remember guys saying about the random increase in price! i don't want to have to drop my rates!
Classy_Katy
10-26-2020, 03:45 AM
Has the law on VAT changed?
Is there someone new dealing with this at AW who doesn't understand that we've already been through the VAT fiasco (they wrongly charged VAT on cam shows to start with and then had to take it off again).
They can't just go changing how VAT is dealt with by themselves...there are rules around the charging of VAT.
kikixxxx
10-26-2020, 03:46 AM
I feel like they would have said in the email if this effected the direct cam?? It doesn’t mention anything about the direct cam, only things like featuring costs and “site fees”.... I emailed adultwork but had no reply, has anyone else messaged them to clarify?
kikixxxx
10-26-2020, 03:49 AM
Exactly. It’s a random time to bring out a new VAT law and only give everyone only 5 days notice before they implement it?
Blue-Velvet
10-26-2020, 03:51 AM
I was wondering if a law changed when nobody was looking, or if it's something to do with Brexit?
Blonde-Ambition
10-26-2020, 04:42 AM
this bit....
this definately means the prices of cam by customers will be changed to higher!
There are other activities on Site that are considered business-to-consumer where VAT will be levied on consumers. As with e-services today (e.g. movies and private galleries), this means VAT will be added to the prices you set and ultimately seen by your customers.
for example, if i set a movie price at 2 credits, the customers see it with the 20% added! the same will be from cam. that's how i am reading it anyway
CatBBW
10-26-2020, 05:03 AM
It certainly looks like they've decided that camming is a B2C (business to consumer) and should be VAT'd.
Is anyone - with a much better VAT brain than mine - going to contact to ask or challenge?
sexysusie
10-26-2020, 05:12 AM
Yep sorry guys, I wrote my post in the middle of the night. Having had another look it certainly seems they'll be adding vat to our service prices. We're no longer part of the EU so I'm not sure were covered by the not wholly automated rule anymore.
so is this same as before susie when you helped fight to get it overturned if so why they doing it now changing it? x
Yes it's the same. Prob cause we're no longer part of the EU. Someone would have to speak with HMRC and an accountant who is actually up on these matters. I gave up on talking to AW so it won't be me..
CatBBW
10-26-2020, 05:22 AM
I'm just putting it out there that I won't be reducing prices because of this. We're a luxury. Guys need to see us as such. The ones who don't appreciate this, I don't want to see. These will be the guys who sees £1/1 credit as still too expensive and who wants a discount on top of that. I will be tweaking prices though, just so my OCD enjoys a nice round number displayed ;D
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 05:28 AM
I feel like they would have said in the email if this effected the direct cam?? It doesn’t mention anything about the direct cam, only things like featuring costs and “site fees”.... I emailed adultwork but had no reply, has anyone else messaged them to clarify?
yes I went to helpdesk ie live chat said they cant say anything about the VAT have to contact helpdesk via the feedback form so I did they replied cant say anymore till the page will be on the site on NOV 1st so have to wait as I asked about the 20% vat thing as it reads charged when take our money also on our postioning and the guys will have to pay 20% more so alot for us & them to pay but have to wait annoyingly so.
Those who pay VAT will be charged but get it back when do accounts but if you join a group I assume the group manager has to pay it instead? as some in groups saying doesnt affect them? x
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 05:32 AM
Yep sorry guys, I wrote my post in the middle of the night. Having had another look it certainly seems they'll be adding vat to our service prices. We're no longer part of the EU so I'm not sure were covered by the not wholly automated rule anymore.
Yes it's the same. Prob cause we're no longer part of the EU. Someone would have to speak with HMRC and an accountant who is actually up on these matters. I gave up on talking to AW so it won't be me..
Thanks Suzie I thought it was today with brexit when I spoke to hubby about it and I have tried to get some info out of them but they wont give it till 1st NOV when it is implemented and then that page with info be on the site.
The only thing is then if it is ALL of us the guys will have to pay it to see anyone so not just some do some dont but with times hard with the COVID so may losing jobs hours cut it will make a difference but we are worth what we charge they must relise we pay it on everything pubs food etc now they have to on live sex too x
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 05:35 AM
It certainly looks like they've decided that camming is a B2C (business to consumer) and should be VAT'd.
Is anyone - with a much better VAT brain than mine - going to contact to ask or challenge?
I tried asking got the reponse have to wait till 1st Nov but perhaps if others send message the same they may put out a message telling us it is now B2C because of brexit etc
sexysusie
10-26-2020, 06:19 AM
No fucking way, nor will I! I raised mine to £5/£7 the day before yest and made just under 400 in an hour so there's no reason on earth to imagine people won't pay.
Looks like this is because the UK leaves the EU vat scheme from December 2020.
I just found this notice from eBay https://tamebay.com/2020/09/ebay-seller-release-2021-vat-changes.html seems they, Etsy, and Amazon will all too be changing things. When this happened before we took a lot of lead from these platforms as they too are counted as a platform that providers use as a go-between, between the company (ie eBay) and the customer i.e. our end consumer. They are known as OMP'S (online market places).
From Jan 2021 responsibility for tax on digital goods moves from the provider (us) to the OMP (Adultwork). I've just done some reading and am not really any further forward than this. My questions this far are:
1. If changes don't go into effect (and UK already said there's a leeway of up until July 2021), why are AW implementing this now?
2. What are they basing this on, UK tax (which no one knows wtf is going on there yet) or EU?
3. Why are they implementing a flat rate 20% when online digital goods are currently subject to between 2 -5% in EU countries.
3. Will being VAT reg mean vat won't be added to our prices?
Forgive the stream of consciousness! I'm looking into this and posting as I come across stuff.
Classy_Katy
10-26-2020, 06:43 AM
VAT is an EU tax...if anything, it should do altogether.
I think someone new has looked into this and made a mistake.
CatBBW
10-26-2020, 06:53 AM
VAT is an EU tax...if anything, it should do altogether.
I think someone new has looked into this and made a mistake.
I hope so, but I'm not sure. You see Clips4Sale and other clip sites now add VAT to the total the customer pays (doesn't seem to add VAT to the % they take for admin though) and it applies to the UK too. Unless they've all got it wrong, OR it's all going to change again once we've officially left in Jan.
I said I didn't have a VAT brain LOL. If I am ever earning types of amounts where I have to pay VAT, I will be sure to employ a good accountant! ;D
sexysusie
10-26-2020, 07:00 AM
VAT is an EU tax...if anything, it should do altogether.
I think someone new has looked into this and made a mistake.
There's no mistake as to new vat applications. Adultwork is an omp and responsible from Dec for all business to consumer sales.
The questions though are what services does this apply to? And how much should it be? AW are liable to mistake on these points.
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 07:13 AM
I hope so, but I'm not sure. You see Clips4Sale and other clip sites now add VAT to the total the customer pays (doesn't seem to add VAT to the % they take for admin though) and it applies to the UK too. Unless they've all got it wrong, OR it's all going to change again once we've officially left in Jan.
I said I didn't have a VAT brain LOL. If I am ever earning types of amounts where I have to pay VAT, I will be sure to employ a good accountant! ;D
Yes on Onlyfans the guys since I think september pay 20% on signups and when they tip us so if our fee is $4 they get charged 20% extra we just see the $4 also on tip they tip $100 they pay that plus 20% but to us we just see a $100 tip but on AW it is the 20% the guys pay to cam with us obviously that is them paying for that but we still get the normal rate but then it is us paying when we withdraw so on the admin fee ok I can understand that but why also it says on positioning & the facility fee surely the facility fee is included in the admin charge? x
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 07:15 AM
There's no mistake as to new vat applications. Adultwork is an omp and responsible from Dec for all business to consumer sales.
The questions though are what services does this apply to? And how much should it be? AW are liable to mistake on these points.
I cant ask my accountant till we know more info from AW but then it is like before we get charged it all even if right or wrong dont we ?
fetishqueen
10-26-2020, 07:47 AM
The facility fee of 5% is in addition to any withdrawal fees, you can see it in your credits history.
fetishbootslut
10-26-2020, 08:23 AM
The facility fee of 5% is in addition to any withdrawal fees, you can see it in your credits history.
yes so a seperate cost just seems we going to be down alot all the 20% charges so maybe worthwhile joining a group as then not affected if reading right ?? anyone clairify this?
sexysusie
10-26-2020, 09:13 AM
yes so a seperate cost just seems we going to be down alot all the 20% charges so maybe worthwhile joining a group as then not affected if reading right ?? anyone clairify this?
Yep. I wasn't affected last time as I'm in daily pay. I was going to switch to post office payout though :/
Classy_Katy
10-26-2020, 10:12 AM
Do be careful which group you join though!
PixiieGirl
10-26-2020, 10:46 AM
Yes on Onlyfans the guys since I think september pay 20% on signups and when they tip us so if our fee is $4 they get charged 20% extra we just see the $4 also on tip they tip $100 they pay that plus 20% but to us we just see a $100 tip but on AW it is the 20% the guys pay to cam with us obviously that is them paying for that but we still get the normal rate but then it is us paying when we withdraw so on the admin fee ok I can understand that but why also it says on positioning & the facility fee surely the facility fee is included in the admin charge? x
yeah I came to say this, OF tried to argue it wasnt applicable and lost the case - thats why they have a huge VAT bill to pay now
other sites do this to, Im fairly sure SM for example add VAT to the costing? all the clipsites seem to as well, and I know from my vanilla business Patreon are as well
fetishbootslut
10-27-2020, 03:22 AM
Do be careful which group you join though!
yes thank you Katy was looking at the popular one alot use forgot the name
fetishbootslut
10-27-2020, 03:22 AM
Yep. I wasn't affected last time as I'm in daily pay. I was going to switch to post office payout though :/
Thanks hun so you still in a group now?
sexysusie
10-27-2020, 04:19 AM
Thanks hun so you still in a group now?
Yep always been with DP.
fetishbootslut
10-27-2020, 04:25 AM
Yep always been with DP.
Think thats the one I was looking at I think its the finest performers one
sexysusie
10-27-2020, 08:37 AM
Yes it is 'Adultwork's Finest Performers'. Used to be that kinkydirtybitch ran one too that was good but she had to shut it due to gdpr. The rest exist purely to skim your credits.
Blue-Velvet
10-28-2020, 02:46 AM
This industry is a constant source of headache and hoops to jump through aside from the internet being increasingly awash with free porn. I won't be lowering my prices. I don't cam anyway, just phone and IM now. If anything, I'll be increasing them to cover the added fees. I'm trying to expand my skill set in an effort to move away from this industry. It used to be an easy way to make a lot of money, but a lot of people are barely making min wage now. Sorry if I sound like Debbie Downer, but it feels like we're constantly skating on a knife-edge here. I know so many people are struggling right now due to COVID, and we're all just doing what we need to do to pay bills, but fuck if I'll work twice as hard for half as much.
fetishbootslut
10-28-2020, 03:53 AM
Yes it is 'Adultwork's Finest Performers'. Used to be that kinkydirtybitch ran one too that was good but she had to shut it due to gdpr. The rest exist purely to skim your credits.
Yes i did search for kinkydirtybitch group ok so that be the best to join thanks for info hun x
fetishbootslut
10-28-2020, 03:57 AM
This industry is a constant source of headache and hoops to jump through aside from the internet being increasingly awash with free porn. I won't be lowering my prices. I don't cam anyway, just phone and IM now. If anything, I'll be increasing them to cover the added fees. I'm trying to expand my skill set in an effort to move away from this industry. It used to be an easy way to make a lot of money, but a lot of people are barely making min wage now. Sorry if I sound like Debbie Downer, but it feels like we're constantly skating on a knife-edge here. I know so many people are struggling right now due to COVID, and we're all just doing what we need to do to pay bills, but fuck if I'll work twice as hard for half as much.
Yes it is alot harder nowdays for us than use to be the internet full of free porn and guys pinch your stuff put it out there but its the risk we taking in this line of work I suppose. Its just that brexit happened same as COVID & it makes it harder to increase at no wish of our own at this time but it will be ALL the site wont it so they will see it is us all. Hoping they pay but they must get a message too as members of the site to say 20% VAT added from nov 1st due to brexit etc.
It doesnt help all the TV programmes about how easy in the SW industry it is to get the money flowing in like just by flashing this & that not say you have to work at it build a rapport etc xx
Dahlia Fallon
10-28-2020, 10:15 AM
So the new accounting of VAT charging buyers on their purchases, coupled with a charge on our admin fees brings our cut down to almost exactly 50% of gross.
CatBBW
10-28-2020, 11:05 AM
So the new accounting of VAT charging buyers on their purchases, coupled with a charge on our admin fees brings our cut down to almost exactly 50% of gross.
Buyers have been charged VAT on Private Gallery and Movies for a few years now. It gets added to the price we ask, so we don't lose out there. This will be how it gets added to the camming etc prices.
Where we will see the difference will be when we buy a facilty fee (cam positioning etc) or on the admin fee when we cash out the credits. Someone else will be able to do the exact % calculation for us, I can never remember. It won't be 50% of gross though, I'm pretty sure. Somewhere between 36 and 40% I think.
Classy_Katy
10-28-2020, 11:51 AM
I didn't notice a change when they added it to our cam prices before. Clips4sale have also recently added it to video and I haven't seen a difference.
Dahlia Fallon
10-28-2020, 12:23 PM
Buyers have been charged VAT on Private Gallery and Movies for a few years now. It gets added to the price we ask, so we don't lose out there. This will be how it gets added to the camming etc prices.
Where we will see the difference will be when we buy a facilty fee (cam positioning etc) or on the admin fee when we cash out the credits. Someone else will be able to do the exact % calculation for us, I can never remember. It won't be 50% of gross though, I'm pretty sure. Somewhere between 36 and 40% I think.
Yeah I know its already been on movies and galleries, but looking at the email it looks like direct cam might have added VAT going forward (it is a bit ambiguous to be honest, it just says 'other activities on site that are considered to be business to consumer') so I just did a fag packet reccy, assuming that JCI fee is 5%, cam will now be 20% more expensive and our cash outs will also have a 20% fee added to a 30% admin charge. Works out that for every 1.20 that a customer spends on cam, we take home 60.8p
I know I know some goes straight to the tax man etc and it's not being hoarded by the site itself, but in the cold hard numbers, no matter who keeps what, 1.20 spent is 60 odd p in your pocket.
fetishqueen
10-28-2020, 12:29 PM
I just hope to God that whatever happens they contact the customers and explain, I cannot deal with trying to explain to the complainers...
sexysusie
10-28-2020, 01:19 PM
It may very well be hoarded. The way they've worded it as 'other activities' gives them an excuse to levy it on whatever they want and say it's the law. It's possible they're waiting for more clarification on this by November 1st?
Blonde-Ambition
10-28-2020, 01:56 PM
wow!? really? i am terrible at maths but what the hell! so say we make (for round figures) 200 credits a day
how much of that are we actually taking home!?
this is ridiculous! i am SO anxious about it!
Blonde-Ambition
10-28-2020, 01:58 PM
has anyone actually spoke to their accountant about all this? or do we just wait and see what happens on 1st nov when we get more info :/
Kristen_Krystal
10-28-2020, 04:56 PM
" Bingo – including remote games played on the internet, telephone, television or radio Exempt VAT Notice 701/29 "
I found this on HM Revenue & Custom's own web page - Last updated 2017.
I would have thought that - Phone sex, webcam/chat & some content sales would be classed as exempt the same way that remote games are. Interactive tip toys. pay-per-minute and all that.
If online sex & adult workers are to be subjected to VAT will this mean online gamers & gamblers will be too?
It just seems/feels wrong subjecting sex/adult workers to VAT.
sexysusie
10-28-2020, 05:04 PM
" Bingo – including remote games played on the internet, telephone, television or radio Exempt VAT Notice 701/29 "
I found this on HM Revenue & Custom's own web page - Last updated 2017.
I would have thought that - Phone sex, webcam/chat & some content sales would be classed as exempt the same way that remote games are. Interactive tip toys. pay-per-minute and all that.
If online sex & adult workers are to be subjected to VAT will this mean online gamers & gamblers will be too?
It just seems/feels wrong subjecting sex/adult workers to VAT.
Coming out of the EU means its all open to interpretation now.
ROSIECAM
10-29-2020, 12:59 PM
Can someone help me please,as AW Is adding VAT,I am wanting to split cam and I am wanting to join more cam sites, I have now down loaded Manycams but i can not get it to communicate with JustCamIt, Manycams just has a grey grainy screen,Any help would be very much appreciated
ThatBritishCamGirl
10-30-2020, 10:38 AM
Somewhat off topic but is anyone finding AW extremely quiet atm? I’m going several hours with no calls even though I’m featuring!