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Classy_Katy
09-29-2015, 11:24 AM
Watching Sex Diaries - Webcam Couples that was on last night, on Channel 4...AW featured again! On tonight on Channel 4 Seven, episode 1!
sexysusie
09-29-2015, 12:50 PM
Aw & sm
alex00
09-29-2015, 03:30 PM
Hello, I just applied for adult work and i got an email saying I have been banned for two weeks for using someone else's pictures to apply, when I had used my own pictures?
Who do I need to contact for this? I really wanted to add another site to work on....
alex00
09-29-2015, 03:30 PM
Hello, I just applied for adult work and i got an email saying I have been banned for two weeks for using someone else's pictures to apply, when I had used my own pictures?
Who do I need to contact for this? I really wanted to add another site to work on....
sexysusie
09-29-2015, 04:28 PM
Go to https://www.adultwork.com/Help.asp click any topic then close the pop up info window and it will open a feedback form where you can write to them. You may well get an auto response in return which makes little sense. Repeat the process and they'll eventually get back to you.
nadia29
09-29-2015, 05:29 PM
How does this affect consumers of services distributed by the AdultWork.com Platform?
As of Thursday 1 October 2015, VAT will be applied to digital products and e-services that members offering services sell to any customers whom consume their services within the EU, via the AdultWork.com Platform. The rate of VAT charged will vary depending on where in the EU the service is consumed from.
The services include, but are not limited to, the following:
Private Galleries, Webcam Bookings, Phone Chat Bookings, DirectCam, DirectIM, DirectChat, Movie Clips, Rental Movies and Erotica.
Why is it up to the AdultWork.com Platform to apply the correct VAT rates and collect the VAT on behalf of its members?
Under current legislation the AdultWork.com Platform is deemed to be a Portal through which third parties sell their digital products and e-services to end consumers. As much as it might seem desirable to avoid the responsibility, the Platform does not meet the mitigating criteria that would exempt it. If the Platform did meet the mitigating criteria, the burden of responsibility would actually be incumbent on each individual member. Each would be required to register for VAT MOSS (VAT Mini One Stop Shop) and to meet necessary compliance criteria and associated increased administration costs. We feel this is unrealistic for each AdultWork.com member and as has always been the objective of AdultWork.com, the Platform should provide the tools to allow individuals and businesses to conduct their online businesses with ease and simplified administration - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
The benefit therefore is that for the majority1 of members there will be no need to register for VAT, submit quarterly reports or manage the handling of funds that would ultimately need to be sent elsewhere. This major upgrade to the AdultWork.com Platform removes these burdens from its members whilst allowing them to remain compliant.
How does this affect those whom receive AdultWork.com Platform's own services?
As a provider of e-services itself, to you its customers the Platform has to charge VAT in accordance with current EU law for the e-services that it supplies.
What about things paid for in advance, are recurring or pay later?
Things that have been paid for in advance, e.g. Featuring or Available Today have already been charged. The transactions are completed.
What does that mean? I just logged in and this popped up
In the interests of safeguarding your business the price of recurring items such as 'Phone Number Display' and pay later items such as 'Local Escorts' will change automatically to include VAT. If your country of consumption has been determined these charges will be applied automatically on the usual recurring basis or dates you have specified. If you are dissatisfied with this arrangement or the VAT-inclusive prices please visit your Edit Profile Page, Local Escorts Page or the relevant subscription page (Detailed Emails, Telephone Directory or Logged in Search) and make the necessary changes.
Why now?
The ownership of the AdultWork.com Platform has changed and this statement is fact and defines the AdultWork.com Platform position going forward from Thursday 1 October 2015.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-29-2015, 05:51 PM
^^^Sounds like another nail in the coffin. And I will post this here because it pertains to my business on the Adultwork platform. This is taking place in just a few days so that is a little shocking. Ownership has changed? What other changes are they implementing I wonder? I saw this when I logged in just now. And I came here to see if anyone was talking about it yet. I feel like they told me a whole lot but yet they told me nothing? Please can someone tell me what the current vat tax in the UK is?
The ownership of the AdultWork.com Platform has changed and this statement is fact and defines the AdultWork.com Platform position going forward from Thursday 1 October 2015.
nadia29
09-29-2015, 06:05 PM
I wonder if this means we are out another 20% tomorrow!
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-29-2015, 06:07 PM
I wonder if this means we are out another 20% tomorrow!
So that is the current vat tax? Ouch this is not a good sign at all. Why so sudden I wonder?
nadia29
09-29-2015, 07:10 PM
I think so! I'm scared now lol
sexysusie
09-29-2015, 07:27 PM
I just read about this and have emailed them straight away. As sole traders WE are responsible for VAT, no one else. And we do not have to register for or pay VAT unless we expect to earn over £82,000 in that year. I don't know about you but i don't earn that much. And either way how could AW possibly ascertain who does and who doesn't? Regardless if they could or not the fact still remains they cannot charge for vat 'on our behalf'. Either they are confused (which I am hoping, and hence my email), or they are trying to get around paying VAT on their OWN incomings, by charging OUR customers extra!
sexysusie
09-29-2015, 07:33 PM
Oh I think I may have got it the wrong way around... they're talking about charging US VAT? Fuck! It's a standard 20%!
sexysusie
09-29-2015, 07:42 PM
I need to up my anti on MFC asap! At 50% they will be the highest paying site in the market. AW are fucking crazy!
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-29-2015, 07:44 PM
And all of a sudden too! That's terrible. I didn't see that one coming at all. Im gonna double my prices now.
nadia29
09-29-2015, 07:45 PM
Oh I think I may have got it the wrong way around... they're talking about charging US VAT? Fuck! It's a standard 20%!
That will leave us with only 45% for direct cam and basically nothing for directchat once you subtract the .15p they charge already and 50% for bookings. I don't see how the site will survive.
sexysusie
09-29-2015, 07:53 PM
I already charge £1 more than i absolutely need to but why should I take a massive cut in income just because they've decided to fuck us over? It has to be fucking us over because they don't need to put this on us at all. We're not responsible for paying VAT as i said above until we earn over 82k. it's just a way for them to recoup their costs. I've tweeted them now as well and asked DP admin if he knows anything. Going to sleep now and praying it's all blown over by morning :-/
nadia29
09-29-2015, 10:20 PM
I think what is going to happen is that they are going to charge clients VAT based on their IP address when they buy credits. Also, I think we will also be charged VAT for things like featuring and subscriptions based on our locations. Either way it means that basically all of our services has just gone up by 20% virtually over night!
If they are using a IP address type of location VAT charge, I hope all the AW guys will be able to use a US based VPN to login into the site in order to avoid the VAT charges. However, if AW is basing the VAT on some thing else there may be no way around it unless they use a US based prepaid debit card.
I don't think they will be subtracting the VAT from our pay as the VAT will be based on the EU country of the consumer and that would be extremely complicated.
RebeccaT
09-30-2015, 12:39 AM
I take this to mean AW will add VAT to the services they provide US. So a simple way to look at it is the fees they charge us will increase.
seicento
09-30-2015, 03:32 AM
At first I thought they will charge customers VAT like SM does.But I just spoke with one of my aw regs and he didn`t get the message we got.So it looks like providers will be charged.
rouge_x
09-30-2015, 03:57 AM
Will they be told though? Or will AW just put the prices up and not inform the members.
MessyChick
09-30-2015, 04:11 AM
I just logged in and saw the message. Do we have any more info yet? Panicking a little
belleoftheball2
09-30-2015, 04:33 AM
I just assumed VAT would be charged on top of the cost of credits? Then same for us - anything we spend our credits on we pay vat now.
Doesn't make sense to take it from our cut. As a non EU resident I don't have any sort of year VAT threshold to be concerned about, so why would it come from my cut?
MessyChick
09-30-2015, 04:42 AM
if they are adding it on to credits then why inform us and not the customers?
and some info on the changes that will happen with new owners would be nice
seicento
09-30-2015, 04:48 AM
I just assumed VAT would be charged on top of the cost of credits? Then same for us - anything we spend our credits on we pay vat now.
That`s what I thought too like 1 credit will now cost them 1,20.But if that was the case customers would have been informed I think.Instead they only messaged performers.
ETA:If anyone is on cam now you could ask your regs if they got the message ,my reg didn`t so I assume none of the customers was sent that message.I can`t cam today so I can`t ask anyone else.
Classy_Katy
09-30-2015, 04:50 AM
AW will charge VAT on the services they provide...we pay an admin charge for using their platform and for featuring, using directcam etc. I don't think the customers will have to pay VAT as we pay the usage costs.
We would need to charge VAT for our services (credits are the price we charge for our services, they are not AW's) if we earn more than £82,000 a year.
beauvoir
09-30-2015, 05:01 AM
I fucking hate this.
Blonde-Ambition
09-30-2015, 05:29 AM
I don't understand!
please can someone explain in simple terms!?
thank you
xx
MissNaughty
09-30-2015, 05:33 AM
this is a total joke .... really not liking this so a 100 creds earned now will be worth fuk all with the extra charges grr grr and more grrr
rouge_x
09-30-2015, 05:49 AM
They've put a few new things up on their Help page.
How will this affect my earnings? Will I still earn as much as I did previously?
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VAT is not applied to your earnings. It will be applied to the admin fee amount and any other charges you levied through use of AdultWork.com's services.
The amount you withdraw will be subject to the admin fee as usual but this fee attracts EU VAT.
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I don't earn enough to qualify for VAT so why is VAT being applied my behalf?
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Please understand that AdultWork.com does not make up the rules or regulations for VAT.
The owners of AdultWork.com have received advice as to what is incumbent upon them and implemented things accordingly.
AdultWork.com's statement on VAT can be found .
Under current legislation the AdultWork.com Platform is deemed to be a Portal through which third parties sell their digital products and e-services to end consumers. As much as it might seem desirable to avoid the responsibility, the Platform does not meet the mitigating criteria that would exempt it.
Please consult your local tax office regarding the rules and regulations regarding VAT and selling content or providing services online.
How are consumers (clients/seeking services) affected? Client is seeing a higher price than I set.
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Please understand that AdultWork.com does not make up the rules or regulations for VAT.
AdultWork.com's statement on VAT for those Seeking Services can be found .
For members who are based within the EU and are consuming your content or e-services, which the AdultWork.com Platform is technically distributing, it will mean that they will be charged VAT in addition to your net pricing based on the rate for the country from which they are consuming your service.
So hopefully it will just be how SM do it and the client pays the VAT from wherever they are. I'm still confused about directcam/admin fee thing so I've emailed them asking but I doubt I'll get a response.
Edit : They emailed me linking me to the thing I asked for help with and wouldn't clarify any percentages. Grrrrr.
seicento
09-30-2015, 06:00 AM
^ So both customers and performers will pay VAT . They add 20% to your cost and that is what customers pay but when you pay your admin fee, you will pay VAT too. Now admin fee it`s 30% you will pay 36% instead.I think.
CatBBW
09-30-2015, 06:17 AM
I need to up my anti on MFC asap! At 50% they will be the highest paying site in the market. AW are fucking crazy!
That's addled my brain. How does it make it 50%? We won't be paying 20% on the 100%, surely? We'll be paying 20% on any of the services we use, the 20% doesn't just get taken when we cash out....or am I misunderstanding this?
"VAT is not applied to your earnings. It will be applied to the admin fee amount and any other charges you levied through use of AdultWork.com's services." So you're paying 20% on the 30-ish% that they take (plus any services you use, like Featuring). I think.
seicento
09-30-2015, 07:03 AM
Admin fee 30% becomes 36%,if they will add VAT to directcam fee 5% becomes 6% ,and add an extra 20% to every credit we spend for featuring ,positioning,etc.
I`m curious now if I`m under european advisor and I pay an advisor fee will I pay VAT for that too ?Guess I`ll calculate tomorrow when this shit starts.
MessyChick
09-30-2015, 07:24 AM
If i set my rate to 2.99 the customer will see it as 3.59?
So for every 100 we withdraw they take 36
eta: does AW set the JustCamIt rate too? so will that go up to 6%?
Is anyone going to lower their prices? or will you just make sure all customers know its not your price rise? Maaan i need to up my indy game
seicento
09-30-2015, 07:43 AM
Yes that is the price your customers will see.
Yes at least that`s what I figured so far.
I don`t know if we`ll pay VAT for justcamit but if we do it will be 6% instead of 5% now. I`ve seen it mentioned in the message they sent so I think that will have VAT added also.
ROSIECAM
09-30-2015, 09:44 AM
Well I am confused....I have just put all my prices up on everything photos,vids and so on,should I just of left them as they were,and AW adds on top of my prices for the Customer to see,so we have our prices as say 1.00 and the customer see 1.20 or are we meant to up our prices
Not getting this at all more I read more I get confused
seicento
09-30-2015, 10:12 AM
Well I am confused....I have just put all my prices up on everything photos,vids and so on,should I just of left them as they were,and AW adds on top of my prices for the Customer to see,so we have our prices as say 1.00 and the customer see 1.20 or are we meant to up our prices
Not getting this at all more I read more I get confused
If you set your price as say 1.00 customer will see 1.20.So he will pay 1.20 but you will get 1.From that 1.00 you will pay VAT as well. You might want to up your prices accordingly.
Classy_Katy
09-30-2015, 10:28 AM
Customers should not be paying VAT on our prices unless we are earning £82,000+ (in the UK), it is us providing that service.
Classy_Katy
09-30-2015, 10:34 AM
AW's income comes from the admin charge, not from the credits that we charge, that is our income.
So if I get this correct...
Let's say i charge 1 credit for directcam.
Then the customer will see 1.20
and after 1 minute of chat I would have earned £0.45 instead of £0.65 yes?
Also, what would happen if I would join an AW group that is run by someone outside of the EU?
Because AW assumes groupmanager handles payments, not the group members.
Kinkybitch
09-30-2015, 11:21 AM
I'm getting more and more confused by this. I charge 2.5 so how much am I actually going to get from that? It's £1.60 roughly so will I lose another 20% on top of that?
Classy_Katy
09-30-2015, 11:26 AM
Does someone employ an accountant they can check with? I don't think they should be charging VAT on our services, it is not their income.
nadia29
09-30-2015, 11:40 AM
I've been reading up on this and looks like it is not just us who got hit with this, it is everyone who sales digital services on the internet such as, e-books, music downloads, web services, etc. The only difference is AW is late in the game to as the deadline to comply was at the beginning of the year.
Google EU digital VAT. Everyone is confused and some don't even know how to comply or they simply cannot. It's basically a disaster for all small online businesses. I bet even AW doesn't even really understand what is going on, hence, the contradicting information provided by them thus far.
Also, there is no minimum threshold anymore. So, if you sale something to some in the EU for 1 pound, VAT must paid to the EU state in which the buyer lives. Fucking ridiculous and unenforceable if you ask me.
Blonde-Ambition
09-30-2015, 12:26 PM
I just emaied my accountant. will let you know what I hear back
Blonde-Ambition
09-30-2015, 01:32 PM
THIS WAS FROM MY ACCOUNTANT-
Right so rather than you have to ask and identify each person who sees you and charge vat it will be done for you.. The consumer pays vat.. And you will pay vat as part of your monthly aw admin fee... Those earning at the threshold for vat will be able to obtain a statement identifying vat paid and will be able to claim it on their vat returns
What you may find is that be is vat is added to the charge for credits.. Less people can afford to stay as long
Blonde-Ambition
09-30-2015, 01:33 PM
so basically.....we are screwed!
seicento
09-30-2015, 01:50 PM
THIS WAS FROM MY ACCOUNTANT-
The consumer pays vat.. And you will pay vat as part of your monthly aw admin fee...
I kept saying this like a broken record in the thread today but glad you had an accountant to confirm.Maybe now it will be all clear if aw help center wasn't clear enough.They explained quite well in there though.
Classy_Katy
09-30-2015, 02:28 PM
Naturally the consumer pays VAT...the issue is that VAT is being charged for our services regardless of whether we earn the threshold of £82,000 or not. Sure "Those earning at the threshold for vat will be able to obtain a statement identifying vat paid and will be able to claim it on their vat returns" but the customer shouldn't have to pay VAT when we are not at that threshold.
Pottymouth101
09-30-2015, 02:47 PM
I've been reading up on this and looks like it is not just us who got hit with this, it is everyone who sales digital services on the internet such as, e-books, music downloads, web services, etc. The only difference is AW is late in the game to as the deadline to comply was at the beginning of the year.
Google EU digital VAT. Everyone is confused and some don't even know how to comply or they simply cannot. It's basically a disaster for all small online businesses. I bet even AW doesn't even really understand what is going on, hence, the contradicting information provided by them thus far.
Also, there is no minimum threshold anymore. So, if you sale something to some in the EU for 1 pound, VAT must paid to the EU state in which the buyer lives. Fucking ridiculous and unenforceable if you ask me.
Can you please provide some links to where this is the new norm. Like can you share where you've read this?
seicento
09-30-2015, 02:51 PM
Naturally the consumer pays VAT...the issue is that VAT is being charged for our services regardless of whether we earn the threshold of £82,000 or not. Sure "Those earning at the threshold for vat will be able to obtain a statement identifying vat paid and will be able to claim it on their vat returns" but the customer shouldn't have to pay VAT when we are not at that threshold.
I don't know how things are in the UK.Hell,I don't even know how they are in my country.Regarding VAT ,I mean.But why do you care if the customer is paying VAT?Let the fuckers pay,they got used too much with 0.6/min pussy,I'm glad they'll pay more now.SM customers pay VAT.It was about the time the cheapos on AW to pay as well.
rouge_x
09-30-2015, 02:53 PM
This site explains it quite well but concentrates more on the EU side that just UK.