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Bambalina
08-30-2011, 03:07 AM
I will post an updated thread with info on the collective in the next few days since there is quite a bit to discuss.
One thing I want to make clear about "The Collective" is that, while I am definitely the one who threw the idea into the ring, and am very open with what I'd like to see happen, I am SERIOUSLY proud of the women who show up for chats and slog out ideas and whole new wonderful ways of doing things, and throw back and forth names for the site and how and why and what for the running and working on this site.
While it is wonderful fun working on all that stuff, and the women who ARE there are a complete joy to work with, it is also somewhat distressing that we have a large number who want to be part of this wonderful new idea, but who haven't yet given themselves a voice in this new and original endeavor.
A collective cannot function without you. We NEED you to speak up and tell us what you want to see, and how you want it to work and to begin bridging the long-standing gap between cam-model and OWNER. As we all need to learn to be both, and to find the rules that can truly be most helpful to everyone.
So come get more involved. We have 2 weekly chats on Sundays and Wednesdays, we have an e-mail list, and we have two board dedicated solely to collective issues at CGU. If this is to happen, we need the principles to get more involved.
More about this in a new thread, since this one is not specifically geared to this aspect of the discussion.
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Bambalina
08-30-2011, 03:30 AM
Oops, I realized I answered a few questions I wanted to answer and ended up not answering yours which was my intent when I went to post.
B, how many girls have joined the collective ?
Well, this is a tough one. Since no money has been asked of anyone, thusfar I have about 60 commitments. I am going to assume a few drop outs. (since one or two people don't really post here anymore, and one or two have become vehemently "anti-bamablina" {which in and of itself is not cause to not be part of the collective, but they also never come to chats or answer mail or anything else to do with the collective}). So to be safe, lets say we have 50 people who have committed to the basic premise.
Now, we've been discussing this whole question quite a bit, and whether we will end up with the exact Collective we first started with, when compared to the original idea, is still up for debate, and those who do not speak up, do not get a voice in that debate. So, over the next week or two, we will be more aggressively pursuing the actual make-up of this grand experiment.
You got any dates yet ?
Evil woman!! Never ask me for dates...that's like water to the wicked wtch witch, or kryptonite to Superman...:)
Seriously, not only have I learned that giving out even a tentative date is a horrible idea, but that even when you are SURE your date is right, it probably isn't.
Right now, I am concentrating on working out stuff with the ladies that will actually get the project into the hands of the programmer.
So, "we're working on it" will have to do for now. (Come chat lady! and Help us get it rolling!)
Edge of seat stuff ! ( No sarcasm intended !! )
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I agree. And I think some big bold moves are going to be necessary to see this through in anything like a timely manner. I think we can get it together, but it will need to be more strictly organized and thought out than "100 girls, $100...we got us a cam site! Waaa-hooo!" :)
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SupaByoch
08-30-2011, 04:00 AM
You can build a camsite for $10k?
Bambalina
08-30-2011, 05:21 AM
You can build a camsite for $10k?
Building a camsite? Depends on a LOT of factors. But, um...Yes. You can actually buy a fully functional camsite for much much less than $10k () and having one built to spec is also generally quite a bit less than $10k. But to answer your question in a more straight-forward way, yes, *I* can have a camsite built for MUCH less than $10k. Not sure about others, can't speak for them.
But generally I will say that there are several designers out there, who have already built wonderful HIGHLY customizable camming platforms, some successfully in use today, who will re-work their basic platform to do what you want. That is generally the best bet in my opinion.
And contrary to what some have said in here, you can get hosting that covers you nicely until you can afford MUCH better, for about $225 a month.
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AmyLynne
08-30-2011, 11:08 AM
so youre asking girls to just send you a hundred dollars and then you criticize my deal!
LOL
AmyLynne
08-30-2011, 11:21 AM
Some quick points:
You want to do this for 10k. My budget is about 5 times that just for the camsite programming, seo and promotion.
the legal costs and yes you have to be 2257 compliant were about 8k and only so low because my dads lawyer did this for me at about half the cost.
you want each girl to send you 100 dollars but to who. how do they know youre not going to just walk with the 10k because you are using this to line your pocket.
hunnybunny1
08-30-2011, 12:22 PM
I would love to see more ladies involved and coming to the chats (Wednesdays and Sundays at 6pm PST/9pm EST) and throwing in their ideas!
So far, the ladies I have been able to chat with during were a delight! :)
SupaByoch
08-30-2011, 02:31 PM
Building a camsite? Depends on a LOT of factors. But, um...Yes. You can actually buy a fully functional camsite for much much less than $10k () and having one built to spec is also generally quite a bit less than $10k. But to answer your question in a more straight-forward way, yes, *I* can have a camsite built for MUCH less than $10k. Not sure about others, can't speak for them.
But generally I will say that there are several designers out there, who have already built wonderful HIGHLY customizable camming platforms, some successfully in use today, who will re-work their basic platform to do what you want. That is generally the best bet in my opinion.
And contrary to what some have said in here, you can get hosting that covers you nicely until you can afford MUCH better, for about $225 a month.
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Well that explains why there are so many cheap crappy little sites around these days, and probably where the fly-by-nights come from, who close suddenly and run off with everyone's money.
Not saying that's what you're planning. But the existence of cheap cookie-cutter camsite "software" does explain a lot with this industry.
AmyLynne
08-30-2011, 02:39 PM
It explains everything! You can buy a template and be up and running in a day or two. You can buy traffic but unless your programmers know how to write code that attracts the spiders you wont get organic traffic. There is more to promoting a site than buying a template. Hosting shouldnt be cheap. If yu dont have dedicated servers that you control etc yu have nothing!
There has to be a backbone and skeleton to any business model. You need to have every detail planned for and all contingencies covered. You also need financial backing. 1000 dollars will not cut it. I can spend that in a day with the site Im bulding.
Bambalina
08-30-2011, 03:23 PM
If you spent $8000 on 2257 compliance, then you are a fool. Nothing more and nothing less. There are many 2257 lawyers and secure record keeping services that will charge you on the order of $800 upfront and less than $200 per month....so what the HELL did you spend $8000 on!?! I wouldn't be proud of throwing money into the fire dear. It doesn't show that you're smart.
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Bambalina
08-30-2011, 03:29 PM
Also, no girl will ever send me $100. I will NEVER have any woman's money in my hands as part of this project. It will all be done using escrow and a contracted process in which no one person EVER controls the money.
I am not in CHARGE of this, just a member who knows enough to get it rolling.
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Mistress Anika
08-30-2011, 08:00 PM
AmyLynne, I understand wanting to jump in and talk sh*t because you think your 'defending' your idea in some way but its kind of silly making a fuss out of the $100 when its clearly been explained how that will be dealt in either this topic or other ones on the same issue
Second i just have to laugh at people who aren't programmers talking about programming things.
Why cant people just be cool lol
SupaByoch
08-30-2011, 11:31 PM
I wouldn't have a site that uses that $269 deal. It's open source, and so cheap that ANY asshole can get the code and hack the site. Major security concern. Plus I'd like to see one legitimate camsite running that "software".
Secondly, I wouldn't trust another existing camsite's "author" to sell me any version of that site's package.
Thirdly, why is one potential camsite buyer's money more special than another's? Bambalina, you say *you* can get a camsite built for under $10k and hint that others can't. How is that? How is one person's money better than another's? I doubt very seriously any legitimate programmer or programming company is going to give any particular person some special cut-rate deal that isn't available to anyone else who has the money.
Crap, for that kind of money, if it's LEGIT, I'll start my own camsite right now just for myself so I can keep all the money instead of splitting it with anyone else. LOL. If it's really that cheap, why isn't EVERYONE doing it?
I am not here to be negative - I just think something isn't adding up.
Bambalina
08-31-2011, 03:34 AM
I know, and sadly it will KEEP not adding up in that sense.
Let me ask...I have been accused (not particularly by you...not saying that) of a lot of things here in the past based on several factors, and the one I fully admit is that my year was truly bad, I DID have procrastination issues, I decided there were some things I wanted to change and add, etc. And that the dates I gave out originally for my sites going public were fucked, kerflooey, and WAY off. I admitted my mistakes right off when a user recently called me on THOSE things. But if I am going to do escrow, and no-one is giving ME their money, and these ladies are safe as far as any sort of "rip-off" goes (and I am fully open to them doing whatever due-diligence they need to), then this means, I am either a harmless, kind of annoying, dream creator who never delivers...OR, I will deliver a camsite for the money promised. I mean reality is that either I can and will, or I'm crazy/lying/delusional/whatever, and nothing will materialize.
Since I don't insist on controlling, operating or setting up the escrow, and in fact would rather not, and I will put my hard earned money into it, I think we can rule out purposeful lying since I have no motive.
But if you (Supa) had a way to get this done, and you know, since I just said so right on SW, that I will use those ways to build myself a site, but I obviously DON'T know how, and I asked you, after saying you don't add up, to tell me how you are going to have the site built (so presumably I can immediately have it done)...Would you TELL me??? I mean...REALLY?
The same goes for traffic. Since I believe the most valuable skill you can have on the internet is to be truly good with traffic.(PERIOD) If you can manipulate traffic correctly and with "magic" and finesse, you are invaluable to many people. So, I probably talk our of my ass and don;t know nearly as much as I act like I do about traffic. I mean that is the most likely scenario, and I admit that freely. I have said things and taught things on here, and to my friends who should know one way or another whether I am full of it, or know some truly interesting voodoo. Those who choose NOT to believe in my skills, can feel free. And until I can get one of my sites up and operating for, say, 3 months, anyone can talk smack about me and say what they will, and I can't REALLY defend myself. Because I'm not going to tell my secrets, the only way I can show it is to open a site and have it posting 100k-250k+ per month of pretty darn good traffic within 3-6 months. Which for an indy site, would be pretty darn phenomenal for that span of time. I mean, the proof will be there, or not...It's all I can do. And until then, I am an easy target, and this website thrives on easy targets. So be it.
But this website, the COLLECTIVE site, is do-able the way we have it planned and it is do-able for $10k...I stand by that. And yet again, no escrow in my name, no opportunity for me to ever steal your money, and all of it done right. Also, is it POSSIBLE it ends up being $12.5k? Even $15k? Sure! But the site will be up and running and we will will be getting enough traffic for you to WANT to kick in an extra $50 or $100 before that happens. $10k will get us up, running and building something that will obviously heading toward "thriving" before there is any THOUGHT of a higher dollar number. I never said owners would be limited to only ever putting in $100, or that owners couldn't buy a larger percentage than 1%. I said we could start a thriving cam community for 100 x $100...and I stand by that.
On top of all this....everything I said here bot self-serving, and self deprecating is really fucking useless. Because this REALLY isn't my project. So I am being put in the spokesperson role, and the "DEFEND THIS!" role, when this is really the work of quite a few ladies. I may be the most outspoken one, but I am not the owner, manager, or even leader. I am an equal shareholder, with what I believe are some pretty good ideas.
If you don't believe that a camsite can possibly be completed for $10k, what er you doing here?? Just trying to pick apart and attack some women's dreams? Show us "reality" as you see it?
If you do think it can be done, but think we're doing it wrong, then either get yer ass into chat, or post some great ideas here, or just be quiet if you want to say you know how but won;t help us.
And if you you think it can be done, and we're on the right track, then cool, let's do it!
I just don't really understand why the debate in this thread?
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Bambalina
08-31-2011, 04:09 AM
I wouldn't have a site that uses that $269 deal. It's open source, and so cheap that ANY asshole can get the code and hack the site. Major security concern. Plus I'd like to see one legitimate camsite running that "software".
I can name quite few camsites on Red5..all opensource. Red5 is a flash replacement. It is considered generally as secure or MORE than flash, and since flash and Red5 aren;t security protocol or do any sort of actual web security themselves in any way, I don't get your answer.
I mean Supa, generally the things you post make sense and are pretty darn smart (you blow me away often), but this one made me do the cartoon headshake...
Lets try this to show why what you said is absolutely senseless to me.
"I wouldn't have a site that uses FREE crap! That Linux is opensource and anyone can get the source and hack it..Major Security Concern. I'd like to see one LEGITIMATE website running on Linux..."
Opensource software runs 2/3rds of the internet now. Cheap and free packages (like drupal, Red5, PHP, Wordpress, joomla, etc. are the norm for ecommerce sites who never get hacked.
Be honest, you have not looked over the source of that "junk Site" nor have you had a competent programmer do so. I am not saying it is good, it may very well be JUNK, or GREAT...we don't have a clue...What I do know, is that I need custom work done, and I have no interest in damn LiveJasmin clone.
Secondly, I wouldn't trust another existing camsite's "author" to sell me any version of that site's package.
Well, that is quite biased, and I think if you did more research into the origins of the biggest 4 camsites in the world, you would truly find it interesting then...
MANY developers write a base camsite which does the basic and rudimentary things any prospective site buyer will want, and then cistomize what is needed when the person comes with an order.
If you've worked as much and long as we've discussed, I'd BET you've been on at least 2 or more fairly successful camsites that both started life under the same author as the same main program...
Bambalina, you say *you* can get a camsite built for under $10k and hint that others can't. How is that? How is one person's money better than another's?
You took that wrong. I wans't saying it the way you read it. I was saying that since others said it would cost them MILLIONS to get a camsite up and running and shit like that, that I can't speak for OTHERS, but I can say that *I* could do it. If someon did the research and knew who to talk to, maybe someone else could too. I was not saying I am uniquely able to do that where others never could. I have no idea of the skillset of OTHERS, only myself and what I can do.
However, are you telling me that if you wanted your kitchen re-built...and I wanted mine rebuilt, and I went in the yellow pages, and you went to a friend you know who you had, say, introduced to his wife, or saved his life or made him $50k last year...that that person would NOT give YOU a better deal than me calling from the yellow pages?
Are you honestly saying that "one hand washes the other" is not a relevant business practice?
Now I am not saying this is operative here, or not...just that I cry bullshit on you believing that everyone's money is equal.
Crap, for that kind of money, if it's LEGIT, I'll start my own camsite right now just for myself so I can keep all the money instead of splitting it with anyone else. LOL.
Well that would be why there is a thing called "trade secrets" Supa!
But I will step out on a limb here and say, that if all goes as planned I will be able to provide you with your OWN camsite within 30 days of today, for UNDER $50 a month FLAT. No percentage and you keep all the money. And that IS a Bambalina joint. If the programming (which is paid in full) goes as planned, bug me one month from today.
If it's really that cheap, why isn't EVERYONE doing it?
A. Many folks don;t want the job of owning and running a camsite.
B. Many folks have no clue how to do the maintanance necessary and how to find a webhost, and all that.
C. Many people are sheep and robots who would rather work for others and never step out, take a chance, or get their hands dirty.
D. Everyone who studies and/or understands this business realizes that "getting a site" is the EASIEST part. Getting girls and keeping them, and getting traffic and keeping it...MUCH harder.
E. All the people talking about all the scary fucking reasons women should lay down and be good little camgirls who work for Streamate for 35% and not try to enter the scary man's world of owning a big scary camsite.
F. 85% of all camsites started by individuals and small companies, FAIL and go under. We're doing a damn Collective for a REASON.
6 really big reasons no-one does it.
I am not here to be negative - I just think something isn't adding up.
That's because you listen to to many folks who DON'T think outside the box.
Just my opinion.
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SupaByoch
08-31-2011, 05:15 AM
Opensource never gets hacked?? LMAO! I don't know about the other opensource website platforms, but I do know about wordpress because I use it myself, and my wordpress site has been hacked twice by keyword spammers who make it appear to have a lot of pharmaceutical links to googlebot, but to normal surfers it looks fine. This is a SUPER common problem with wordpress. Look it up - lots of info on this is published.
So then, let's see that list of legitimate camsites that use this software. It doesn't count if you just say "I can name several" - but don't NAME any. Let's have it. The names and the links to them.
I, personally, wouldn't have a camsite running that software if they paid me to use it.
I don't mind the hacking risks so much with my wordpress site because I don't have any personal info on it, and all I have to do is watch it and re-install wordpress to get rid of the problem if it comes back. Easy fix. But a camsite, with lots of people's personal info in the database - no fucking way would I use anything but some legit software programmed by people who aren't going to turn around and resell it to any schmuck with a couple hundred or even a couple thousand bucks.
As for my thinking outside the box and who I listen to - I listen to MYSELF mostly and I'm actually rather good at coming up with my own ideas. I haven't become successful with an indy site in a highly competitive market for no reason. But that is beside the point. Accusing someone of "not thinking outside the box" because they question your plan isn't a very good argument. You are quick to question other people's plans but then don't like someone doing it to you.
The same standard applies to you that applies to anyone else who comes here wanting the members to join up, work with, contribute, etc. If you aren't willing and able to be transparent with your plans then it looks questionable. No one is asking for trade secrets. You have jumped all over AmyLynne for not answering questions to suit you, but you dislike being questioned yourself.
As for you not wanting to spill your secret sources of where you'll get your cheap camsite built that isn't available to anyone else - I wouldn't have a camsite that can be built for that kind of money. I was simply saying if I believed it were really possible to do it RIGHT for a couple grand, I'd have already done it myself and so would a shitload of other people. LOL
I happen to know that a good basic camsite with no frills or customizations costs $20k+ and with customizations it goes WAY up from there - it can easily hit $100k, just for the website to be built. So now, I have to call bullshit on anyone selling it to anyone for 10% of the usual price, no matter who you are.
SupaByoch
08-31-2011, 06:51 AM
I forgot to add in my last post, that if a programmer or programming company is selling a camsite for 10% of usual price out of desperation, I wouldn't want that either. I'd wonder what else this person / company might do out of desperation. I would also wonder where they'd be in a few weeks or months when I'd need bugs worked out, rework, support, etc. If I were going to start a camsite, I would want to seek out the legit companies who won't resell my site to someone else, who aren't so desperate that they'll discount by 90%, who seem more likely to actually be AROUND later when the site needs work (as it most definitely would).
Truly, you get what you pay for and if you go for a supercheap option, don't be surprised if you end up with a hot mess.
Bambalina
08-31-2011, 06:54 AM
Opensource never gets hacked?? LMAO!
I believe you unfairly paraphrase here. I said Opensource runs on many sites which never get hacked. I never named WORDPRESS per say as one which doesn't get hacked.
But to imply as you do, that opensource makes it crap, means that NO internet sites but MS sites are safe (and I think we both know that is a complete joke) and ALL linux sites, which is MORE than HALF the internet are safe, since Linux is absolutely opensource to the core and IS the security of the website as it is the security of all FTP, Telnet, and the very OS itself...ALL opensource with source code readable for FREE by anyone.
So my point stands that opensource should not enter into discussions of quality or safety. That was all I was saying.
So then, let's see that list of legitimate camsites that use this software. It doesn't count if you just say "I can name several" - but don't NAME any. Let's have it. The names and the links to them.
I'm completely baffled! I have no idea where I said I can name anything about this site? I said I know nothing about it and have never looked at the code. All I said was that it was full service cam site package for under $300. Nothing more and nothing less.
They may have 50 veru successful customers, or none...no clue.
I don't know where you read me saying otherwise, or where you got that idea?!?
Sometimes I feel like such a poor communicator and I don't know why?
Me either, but more because I have absolutely no desire for a Live Jasmin clone.
I just don;t know where you get the idea it is insecure code, and poor quality when you have never used it (correct me if I am wrong here) and have never SEEN the code or had a proficient designer look it over for you. (again correct me if I am wrong and you have experience with this particular script.)
[quote]I don't mind the hacking risks so much with my wordpress site because I don't have any personal info on it, and all I have to do is watch it and re-install wordpress to get rid of the problem if it comes back. Easy fix. But a camsite, with lots of people's personal info in the database - no fucking way would I use anything but some legit software programmed by people who aren't going to turn around and resell it to any schmuck with a couple hundred or even a couple thousand bucks.
Again, anyone who uses Linux takes exactly that chance. Secure code is secure code. Till it is broken. I do not understand your usage of the word "Legit" in this context. Since you equate Legit with MONEY it seems, and many of the worlds MOST secure programs (Encryption protocals from PGP, to WPA for Wifi, to hardcore login and password systems) are absolutely free and opensource. So I think this might be a personal bias of yours.
Let me ask this...Do you HONESTLY believe MFC or SM are un-hackable marvels of programming? Do you honestly know the origins of SM?
As for my thinking outside the box and who I listen to - I listen to MYSELF mostly and I'm actually rather good at coming up with my own ideas. I haven't become successful with an indy site in a highly competitive market for no reason. But that is beside the point. Accusing someone of "not thinking outside the box" because they question your plan isn't a very good argument. You are quick to question other people's plans but then don't like someone doing it to you.
First, let me say, I honestly like this very much. I don't think this is the appropriate place for it. It is a bad thread to do a debate in and I certainly wouldn't mind having a thread just to dabte cam-site ideas for whoever wanted to get involved, as long as everyone stayed debating and drama-free.
So I like the debate, don't think this is the appropriate thread for it. But I guess I am getting used to this forum just NOT following the protocols of politeness and such that a thread deserve, I mean 50 women here have signed onto this Collective. I would assume that means it is worthy of 2 threads. One for those who want to get involved, discuss the project as it stands and where to chat or get on the e-mail list or whatever, and another where we debate the merits of a collective camsite and whther this person or that can get a site for under $100k or whatever. But I guess since we're here now, let's do it.
I believe I was misunderstood again. I did not say anyone doesn't think outside the box because they don't agree with me, but because I felt there was ideas being put forth which sincerely, in my opinion, don't represent anything new or different or "outside the box"..As I said to you in PM, when MFC came along and had (actually changed and added) rules which included nudity in free chat, THAT was outside the box because every other camsite thought it was pay just to see ANYTHING.
So having a collective site is outside the box and provides quite a few great opportunities to do things NO OTHER CAMSITE has EVER done. This will not only lower promotion costs, but raise customer loyalty, provide for co-operative entertainment initiatives heretofore unseen in camming, etc.
The same standard applies to you that applies to anyone else who comes here wanting the members to join up, work with, contribute, etc. If you aren't willing and able to be transparent with your plans then it looks questionable. No one is asking for trade secrets. You have jumped all over AmyLynne for not answering questions to suit you, but you dislike being questioned yourself.
I have answered questions, at least I feel I have. Please, list carefully for me, I'm kind of dumb, What did I avoid??? What have I not liked or been angry about? Especially how have I not been transparent??
Please, I am sincere in asking, because if I avoided your questions, I missed it. I am truly trying to cultivate a friendship here and feel like I angered and frustrated you and that is the furthest thing from my intent. So please feel free to open this up and tell me how my communication is lacking. I realize this can be a problem of mine.
As for you not wanting to spill your secret sources of where you'll get your cheap camsite built that isn't available to anyone else - I wouldn't have a camsite that can be built for that kind of money. I was simply saying if I believed it were really possible to do it RIGHT for a couple grand, I'd have already done it myself and so would a shitload of other people. LOL
Wow, I really feel like I stepped on some line and offended you. It wasn't my intention. If I did offend you, I apologize.
As far as what I can have built for what price, I truly hope this doesn't offend, but you are talking out of your buppy, because you have absolutely no clue what I can and cannot have done for what price. None whatsoever.
In fact one of the designers, is a designer of a site you mention respectfully in our pm conversation. So I truly don;t think you know what you're talking about here, and it is not up to me to say anything private from the Collective to this open Google-able message board. You are invited to come chat Wednesday, we'd love to have you.
I happen to know that a good basic camsite with no frills or customizations costs $20k+ and with customizations it goes WAY up from there - it can easily hit $100k, just for the website to be built. So now, I have to call bullshit on anyone selling it to anyone for 10% of the usual price, no matter who you are.
See, and if I can have a really nice ustomized site with really nice security and frills done for under $4k, then you are obviously thinking in some old school way where you accept that camsites cost $20k+, since if I can do this and KNOW I can, what else can I say to you but "watch and see"...right?
I mean I know for a fact otherwise I kjnow what I am negotiating for right now, both hand-built from scratch, and prebuilt and customized(for FAR less than $20k), and you say the minimum is $20k...so, we just have to agree to disagree. There's no real use in arguing, since I won;t be sending you to go "ask my designer what he designing for me and for how much"...that's ridiculous...So you don't trust me, and I accept that...it saddens me, but I accept it. So be it.
Now we can hopefully move on to other more wonderful and important things.
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SupaByoch
08-31-2011, 07:12 AM
You keep referring to your "designers". Designing isn't programming. This is why I think you're just re-skinning someone else's site and not getting anything actually programmed.
No, I don't think any of the big sites are any programming marvels. I hate adultwork's site - it is painful for me to even look at. LOL. I really dislike MFC as well, and streamate/naked/cams/webcams - they all look so much alike that they almost appear to be cookie-cutter sites built by the same company and just tweaked.
But I do think that ALL of the existing legitimate sites cost a shitload more than $2-3k to be built and I'll kiss your ass if you can build one from scratch that is comparable for that much.
The point is not that I think you are shady. I can't help wondering if you're being taken for a ride, or maybe just shooting yourself in the foot by going too cheap. You get what you pay for.
>>Edit: Oh and no, I don't think you're dumb either Bambalina. You're obviously pretty smart. But smart doesn't mean infallible.
Bambalina
08-31-2011, 08:13 AM
You keep referring to your "designers". Designing isn't programming. This is why I think you're just re-skinning someone else's site and not getting anything actually programmed.
Wjat are you talking about!?
From Wikipedia, opening paragraph for Web Deisgn:
Web design is the process of designing — a collection of online content including and that reside on a web /.
and a person who does web design is a Web Designer. ie. Designer to like EVERY computer person and geek I know and since I married one that is a LOT.
Programmers write PROGRAMS...in C and C++ generally.
From Wikipedia again:
A programmer, computer programmer or coder is someone who writes . The term computer programmer can refer to a specialist in one area of or to a generalist who writes code for many kinds of software. One who practices or professes a formal approach to programming may also be known as a programmer analyst. A programmer's primary computer language (, , , , etc.) is often prefixed to the above titles, and those who work in a web environment often prefix their titles with web. The term programmer can be used to refer to a , , , or . However, members of these typically possess other skills, beyond programming; for this reason, the term programmer is sometimes considered an insulting or derogatory oversimplification of these other professions. This has sparked much debate amongst developers, analysts, computer scientists, programmers, and outsiders who continue to be puzzled at the subtle differences in the definitions of these occupations
So, while web programmer is not incorrect it is considered very non-specific, and most of the "web programmers" I know prefer to be called Web Designers.
Maybe just the crowd I hang with (and wikipedia too).
But I do think that ALL of the existing legitimate sites cost a shitload more than $2-3k to be built and I'll kiss your ass if you can build one from scratch that is comparable for that much.
Well get ready to pucker sister. As soon as I am done with negotiating, I will put you in touch with the original designer of webcams.com who will sell you THAT site, but customized to your specs for UNDER $3k. And a few of those sites look like cookie cutters because they ARE, and they DID pay less than $5k for them. And they make way over a million a year, and are secure, and work....
So I don't think your theories bear out true.
The point is not that I think you are shady.
Well thanks for the vote of confidence, my love for you overflows as well (especially after that smooch n the "cheek").
I can't help wondering if you're being taken for a ride, or maybe just shooting yourself in the foot by going too cheap. You get what you pay for.
Yeah and you seem to thing that if I find a web designer who works for $50 an hour, and pay that person for !!60!! hours, that a TRULY good "programmer" can't write a cam site in that time...1 1/2 40 hour weeks. I say you're getting ripped girl. Especially because I can find you several talented "programmers" who are out of work right now, and who specialize in Flash and Red5, who will work for $30-$35....that is about 100 hours of programming....
So what the fuck are you paying $20k+ for????:O Show me the site that has the features and custom stuff to be worth an actual $20k+??? And where the hell you get that number???/:O And even moreso, where the hell you get $100k!?!?!:eek: Who the fuck would pay that? At $150 an hour, that would be like 750 hours...motherfucker better able to program better than THAT if I am paying them $150 an hour too! :)
>>Edit: Oh and no, I don't think you're dumb either Bambalina. You're obviously pretty smart. But smart doesn't mean infallible.
Oh boy...Do you people really think I think I am infallible? Seriously?
I'm fucked! I know some really good promotional stuff, and I have some cool ideas I think...but If I made you think I'm infallible and don't horribly need every last one of you to help me succeed, just as much as I will put my energy toward YOU succeeding, if you don't realize that I truly NEED you guys if any of these big plans is to come true, then I'm fucked and I better quit....
Jeez, if that is what I made you all think, I just oughta give up and pack it in...I am SO fucking fallible, scared, unsure this stuff will make us rich or that we can truly do it....I want it to happen and I believe it can, and I believe some others have really wrong-headed and cynical ideas of this business based on the past as opposed to the future, and that if we all truly work together, we can't fail...but if you ever rely on ME to be infallible making it happen....we already failed...
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Bambalina
08-31-2011, 08:38 AM
Ok, so I just got in trouble (kinda still am..on phone) because I was talking one of my hubby's bestest friends who is a Web-designer/Programmer, for 9 years, and he has this to say:
"You're both WRONG. My Job title is 'Web Developer'. Meaning I do both back-end and front-end as well as design and interface work equally and flexibly. Programmers do back-end stuff, and Designers make pretty web sites. Developers really do all the work and get you a wokring site up and running.
However, if you're hiring, you can call me a programmer, or a designer and I will answer.."
He had more to say about preferring HTML slinging Web whore and shit, but whatever...
So, I personally stand corrected and will try to remember to say Developer from now on.
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SupaByoch
08-31-2011, 09:20 AM
Programmers do back-end stuff, and Designers make pretty web sites.
That's what I was talking about.
As for the $20k+, I'm not spending that on anything. If I had that much spare cash sitting around I wouldn't be sitting on a camgirl forum theorizing LOL :P
AmyLynne
08-31-2011, 10:16 AM
Legal covers way more than just 2257. It covers lease negotiations, permits etc. I also have negotiations with buying media. But its still 8000.
I have a physical location so that adds to the costs but I dont think you can just expect to do legal on the cheap. Or anything like buying a 269 dollar template and things.
If you spent $8000 on 2257 compliance, then you are a fool. Nothing more and nothing less. There are many 2257 lawyers and secure record keeping services that will charge you on the order of $800 upfront and less than $200 per month....so what the HELL did you spend $8000 on!?! I wouldn't be proud of throwing money into the fire dear. It doesn't show that you're smart.
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CammingSince97
08-31-2011, 10:23 AM
Bambalina, I am new to this forum but we probably know each others' history quite well. Feel free to message me and include me :)
prettygreeneyes
08-31-2011, 10:27 AM
Ok, so I just got in trouble (kinda still am..on phone) because I was talking one of my hubby's bestest friends who is a Web-designer/Programmer, for 9 years, and he has this to say:
"You're both WRONG. My Job title is 'Web Developer'. Meaning I do both back-end and front-end as well as design and interface work equally and flexibly. Programmers do back-end stuff, and Designers make pretty web sites. Developers really do all the work and get you a wokring site up and running.
However, if you're hiring, you can call me a programmer, or a designer and I will answer.."
He had more to say about preferring HTML slinging Web whore and shit, but whatever...
So, I personally stand corrected and will try to remember to say Developer from now on.
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Yep, I'm in school for web design and this is correct :) Most web designers have at least a basic knowledge of code but generally the developers are the ones who get a site up and running. But most laypeople will call you a programmer or designer no matter what you do.
Bambalina
08-31-2011, 02:26 PM
Legal covers way more than just 2257. It covers lease negotiations, permits etc. I also have negotiations with buying media. But its still 8000.
I have a physical location so that adds to the costs but I dont think you can just expect to do legal on the cheap. Or anything like buying a 269 dollar template and things.
We won't have leases or permits or any of that, we won;t have a physical location, so your original claims about our legal costs WERE wrong.
And we're not intending in any way to buy a $269 template...I posted that for ONE reason, and that is to show that cam-sites aren't automatically $20k+...
And there are quite a few more...That was my only real point, that finding a designer who would do a site for a few thousand dollars was not so miraculous as all that.
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Bambalina
08-31-2011, 02:28 PM
By the way, chat tonight. I will be a bit late (about 9:30pm EST) but there's usually at one lady who shows up at 9, so come and be there..or be square.
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PS. Chats are held Every Sunday and Wednesday at 9pm Eastern.
AmyLynne
08-31-2011, 02:28 PM
Then you didnt really help your claims...
you cant really build a site for 10k or under.. it is not possible! To get the site and then the traffic it wont happen!
And what are you going to get models or traffic first?
Bambalina
08-31-2011, 02:40 PM
Then you didnt really help your claims...
you cant really build a site for 10k or under.. it is not possible! To get the site and then the traffic it wont happen!
And what are you going to get models or traffic first?
You have an expensive programmer. $10k is WAY too much in my opinion. I can buy a working cam-site with 5500 registrations for that. Ridiculous. And that cam-site owner approached me on HERE.
If it isn't possible, why do I have many who will do it? And they fight over who gets the job for UNDER $5k...Sorry, you overpaid.
Lastly, you obviously aren't listening or even reading the thread you're in. It's a collective that will START with 100 girls. Who own it. All cam girls. Get it? So I suppose we'll have the girls, and they will stick around better than most since they will OWN it.
And if you, who at least have the insight to see how a studio setup can help this endeavor, CAN'T see how having 100 beautiful girls own the site, will make a LOT of things easier, then I'm not going to help you see it.
And I'm sorry, I belive it makes a heck of a lot more sense than $10 a minute cams and being exclusive at the start when you have NO business.
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AmyLynne
08-31-2011, 02:59 PM
"All cam girls. Get it? So I suppose we'll have the girls, and they will stick around better than most since they will OWN it. "
Get it? LOL Are you trying to be hostile or is it just how you roll?
Youre really being evasive. Yet you expect me to answer questions about my business but you wont with the other girls. Maybe you should try being more open.
And I have a personal stake in my business succeeding. I invested my own money as well as my dad's and husband's money into it. I dont wish yours to fail but if you want to succeed you should change your business plan and stucture. A collective wont work- who gets to make the decisions. A committee or you alone and what happens when there are disagreements.
tropicalust
08-31-2011, 03:09 PM
"All cam girls. Get it? So I suppose we'll have the girls, and they will stick around better than most since they will OWN it. "
Get it? LOL Are you trying to be hostile or is it just how you roll?
Youre really being evasive. Yet you expect me to answer questions about my business but you wont with the other girls. Maybe you should try being more open.
And I have a personal stake in my business succeeding. I invested my own money as well as my dad's and husband's money into it. I dont wish yours to fail but if you want to succeed you should change your business plan and stucture. A collective wont work- who gets to make the decisions. A committee or you alone and what happens when there are disagreements.
I do get it, bambalina has explained all the questions you are making before. and if you dont find the answers here, which I doubt it. You are more than welcome to join our chat and she will be more than happy to explain everything. Just because somebody thinks that its not possible to build a great website with less money, doesn't mean it is not possible.
AmyLynne
08-31-2011, 03:49 PM
well I would except for a few things:
I think she would kick me out the 2nd I came in or aired one of "my opinions"
It also can conflict with the time I spend with my daughter before she goes to bed.
That said were all in the same business or have been and should find common ground. If we all work together we can kick sm, mfc and adultwork and their owners and promoters into their well deserved graves!
You have an expensive programmer. $10k is WAY too much in my opinion. I can buy a working cam-site with 5500 registrations for that. Ridiculous. And that cam-site owner approached me on HERE.
If it isn't possible, why do I have many who will do it? And they fight over who gets the job for UNDER $5k...Sorry, you overpaid.
Lastly, you obviously aren't listening or even reading the thread you're in. It's a collective that will START with 100 girls. Who own it. All cam girls. Get it? So I suppose we'll have the girls, and they will stick around better than most since they will OWN it.
And if you, who at least have the insight to see how a studio setup can help this endeavor, CAN'T see how having 100 beautiful girls own the site, will make a LOT of things easier, then I'm not going to help you see it.
And I'm sorry, I belive it makes a heck of a lot more sense than $10 a minute cams and being exclusive at the start when you have NO business.
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I do get it, bambalina has explained all the questions you are making before. and if you dont find the answers here, which I doubt it. You are more than welcome to join our chat and she will be more than happy to explain everything. Just because somebody thinks that its not possible to build a great website with less money, doesn't mean it is not possible.
tropicalust
09-01-2011, 06:11 PM
see, she didnt kick you out! :P thanx for coming to the chat :)
Bambalina
09-01-2011, 06:16 PM
see, she didnt kick you out! :P thanx for coming to the chat :)
No we actually de-railed our chat and helped AmyLynne as much as possible.
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AmyLynne
09-02-2011, 09:27 AM
It helps to be able to talk "LIVE" and have instant interaction and discussion but I still cant make the adjustments suggested. I can only slow the virtual down which was the intent anyway. Its all one site so it all has to be done at onetime.
I will use iframes and the "fake" models feature for a few weeks to months as traffic builds and gte traffic through other providers.
Bambalina
09-02-2011, 06:33 PM
Well, I'm glad you came and we could help.
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sliqygirl
06-05-2012, 01:25 AM
Whatever happened to your web site? Did you guys ever create one? I think another group of Web Cam models have already created one though. It's called Chat Village (). I was reading the web site information, and it was created to pay Web Cam models as much as possible. They have a special now for new models that pays them 100% for a limited time, but after that the pay rate drops to 75%. That's still very good, considering credit card processing fees normally take 10-15%, so the site is probably only making 10% off your pay.
I don't think there's a lot of traffic at that site yet, because they haven't started advertising yet. I think they are trying to build a list of models first.
PrincessJenny
06-05-2012, 04:45 AM
It's called Chat Village ().
This site has already failed "There are no performers online at this time."
100% payout means nothing when theres no-one to buy a show from you. 100% of 0 = $0
I wouldnt recommend anyone waste their time on it when we have Streamate, Adultwork and Myfreecams that pay the bills comfortably already.
ukmissy
06-05-2012, 04:56 AM
I don't think there's a lot of traffic at that site yet, because they haven't started advertising yet. I think they are trying to build a list of models first.
This is a business oxymoron . Lady , puhleasssse!