View Full Version : Poll: Are u PRO Gay Marriage? Yes or No!
MarvelGirl
06-27-2011, 12:17 PM
of course its not fine. its horrible and disgusting, but that has nothing to do with gay marriage.
You my dear( Edit: not targeted at anyone in particular) are alive and reading this because you had a mommy and a daddy.
Not 2 daddys!
and
Not 2 mommies!
Living as a gay couple is un-natural and rewarding unnatural behavior is a bad idea.
Also...
gay marriage has nothing to do with interracial man and woman marriage.
If you allow things like this to become legal, u have to start allowing other things to become legal.. hey , now lets make legal every stupid thing we want...
As horrible as it might look and sound like, society needs boundaries and strict rules, otherwise world as we know it will slowly become a total chaos.
whats next to be legalized? marrying minors and fucking animals? some people do it, lets not discriminate their sexual preferences and make it legal.. right?
see the point?
It fills my heart with joy that 20 years from now your post will look just like those of ignorant people ranting about how niggers and spics shouldn't dare to fuck white women. You are the stupid rednecked racist of the early 2000s that our children and grandchildren will look back on in disgust. Much like we looked back in disgust when we learned that black people weren't allowed to use our drinking fountains. Congratulations on that, you must be very proud.
You have such hatred for two ADULT HUMAN BEINGS who love each other that you compare them to rapists, pedophiles and those who have sex with animals.
Newsflash, where rape, pedophile, and bestiality are concerned, one of the "couple" either does not consent or cannot consent to the relationship. If you can't see the difference between a "couple" like that and two adults who WANT to be together then you need some serious counseling.
MarvelGirl
06-27-2011, 12:18 PM
Also, I'm a married woman and god is not welcome in my marriage. That's something you bible thumpers can never seem to grasp. Your god can fuck off. Marriage is not only for the religious.
JayATee
06-27-2011, 12:26 PM
of course its not fine. its horrible and disgusting, but that has nothing to do with gay marriage.
You my dear( Edit: not targeted at anyone in particular) are alive and reading this because you had a mommy and a daddy.
Not 2 daddys!
and
Not 2 mommies!
Living as a gay couple is un-natural and rewarding unnatural behavior is a bad idea.
Also...
gay marriage has nothing to do with interracial man and woman marriage.
If you allow things like this to become legal, u have to start allowing other things to become legal.. hey , now lets make legal every stupid thing we want...
As horrible as it might look and sound like, society needs boundaries and strict rules, otherwise world as we know it will slowly become a total chaos.
whats next to be legalized? marrying minors and fucking animals? some people do it, lets not discriminate their sexual preferences and make it legal.. right?
see the point?
I truly feel sorry for you. I hope for your sake, and that of your childrens, someone someday can make you see how truly hateful and biggoted you are and change your sorry outlook. It is people like you that are the very reason there is so much ugliness in the world.
Children have the right to be loved. Period. The people doing the loving are irrelevant.
bem401
06-27-2011, 12:37 PM
My point is the ridiculousness of forcing HUMAN BEINGS with FREE WILL to adhere to teachings that are so hypocritical it can't even be spoken with a straight face. A man can not lie with another man, and the very people thumping their bibles over that quote are the same people molesting children. And my point about mentioning other religions is that since marriage isn't something that exists ONLY as a CHURCH sacrament saying, you can't give people the same rights because of ONE religions protests is absurd.
It is you who is trying to force HUMAN BEINGS with FREE WILL to sanction a lifestyle they have been taught is immoral by calling it exactly the same thing as one of their specific sacraments.
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you actually saying the church should endorse homosexual unions because there were some perverted deviants among their clergy? So people who try to follow church teaching now should believe two wrongs make a right?
Marriage has been a church sacrament for thousands of years and you propose that the sexual revolution initiated in the 1960's gives us the right to equate homosexual unions with a centuries-old sacrament?
Again, I'm not for denying anyone any rights or benefits. I'm just saying it should be called something other than marriage because it is something other than marriage.
JayATee
06-27-2011, 12:39 PM
It is you who is trying to force HUMAN BEINGS with FREE WILL to sanction a lifestyle they have been taught is immoral by calling it exactly the same thing as one of their specific sacraments.
:rotfl: :rotfl: People like you are the reason this country is falling apart. I'm not reading past this part. You're a waste of time.
Being taught by whom exactly? YOUR church? The world doesn't revolve around YOUR church or YOUR sacraments.
Mr Hyde
06-27-2011, 12:42 PM
It is you who is trying to force HUMAN BEINGS with FREE WILL to sanction a lifestyle they have been taught is immoral by calling it exactly the same thing as one of their specific sacraments.
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you actually saying the church should endorse homosexual unions because there were some perverted deviants among their clergy? So people who try to follow church teaching now should believe two wrongs make a right?
Marriage has been a church sacrament for thousands of years and you propose that the sexual revolution initiated in the 1960's gives us the right to equate homosexual unions with a centuries-old sacrament?
Again, I'm not for denying anyone any rights or benefits. I'm just saying it should be called something other than marriage because it is something other than marriage.
I think BEM is basically saying that gays should be legally allowed to marry...his point is only that churches shouldn't be forced to do it or to unofficially recognize it...a point with which I agree.
lilykane
06-27-2011, 12:54 PM
1. Yes, some Christians believe homosexuality is wrong. BUT, so do several other prominent religions. Insulting someone's religion brings one down to the others' level, and does absolutely nothing but harm their cause.
2. Religion and state must be separate. Many people of the same religion still have differing beliefs in what's right/wrong. Dissension of this sort does not work in ruling an entire nation.
The hatred exists on both sides, and all it does is cause problems for society. Tolerance also includes being tolerant of intolerance. Change comes through persuasion and solid examples, not force.
I believe that the government does not have the right to regulate morality; everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but government must make decisions based on logic and equality.
Also, that statement about 10 years and hoods was ridiculous. It's still around a 60/40 split, and while I do believe legalization is indeed going to happen, the public intolerance will take much, much longer to fade into latency.
bem401
06-27-2011, 12:55 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: People like you are the reason this country is falling apart. I'm not reading past this part. You're a waste of time.
Being taught by whom exactly? YOUR church? The world doesn't revolve around YOUR church or YOUR sacraments.
That doesn't mean you can commandeer the name of a religious sacrament for a type of union that church forbids. That's disrespectful. Marriage has been a church sacrament thousands of years longer than this has been a country.
Bail out if you want. That's what people tend to do when they realize their argument hasn't a leg to stand on.
Again, gay people shouldn't be denied any rights or benefits but their unions are not the same as church marriages and and should be called something different to reflect that.
Kellydancer
06-27-2011, 12:57 PM
I think BEM is basically saying that gays should be legally allowed to marry...his point is only that churches shouldn't be forced to do it or to unofficially recognize it...a point with which I agree.
That's what I'm thinking he's saying too and to which I have to agree. I support gay marriage, but on the other hand (as I posted earlier)I understand not every religion accepts it and that is fine. I often see people complaining about religions (especially Catholics) as saying they are trying to push their view. However, what about the opposite sides who push their views? Why is it ok to bash people who are anti gay marriage but off limits to attack those may have a liberal view about something else? I don't like when any group pushes a view as the way we have to think, even if I do support that view.
Mr Hyde
06-27-2011, 01:15 PM
Here's a rejoinder...what's wrong with the term "civil union" for gay marriages? Why does it have to be called a marriage if it has the same legal rights?
And I still think that gay marriages should have slightly lesser adoption rights. Straight couples should get first shot at adopting.
That said, there are a LOT of otherwise unadoptable kids that would thrive in a gay household, and that would be a wonderful thing for society.
bem401
06-27-2011, 01:21 PM
Here's a rejoinder...what's wrong with the term "civil union" for gay marriages? Why does it have to be called a marriage if it has the same legal rights?
And I still think that gay marriages should have slightly lesser adoption rights. Straight couples should get first shot at adopting.
That said, there are a LOT of otherwise unadoptable kids that would thrive in a gay household, and that would be a wonderful thing for society.
EXACTLY. (except your second paragraph should say gay unions.)
Kellydancer
06-27-2011, 01:27 PM
1. Yes, some Christians believe homosexuality is wrong. BUT, so do several other prominent religions. Insulting someone's religion brings one down to the others' level, and does absolutely nothing but harm their cause.
2. Religion and state must be separate. Many people of the same religion still have differing beliefs in what's right/wrong. Dissension of this sort does not work in ruling an entire nation.
The hatred exists on both sides, and all it does is cause problems for society. Tolerance also includes being tolerant of intolerance. Change comes through persuasion and solid examples, not force.
I believe that the government does not have the right to regulate morality; everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but government must make decisions based on logic and equality.
Also, that statement about 10 years and hoods was ridiculous. It's still around a 60/40 split, and while I do believe legalization is indeed going to happen, the public intolerance will take much, much longer to fade into latency.
I agree with what you are saying. People often attack only Christians (In particular Catholics) when there are many religions against it, including Islam. In fact in many Islamic countries being gay is a death sentence. Like you mentioned just because someone is a religion doesn't mean they feel that way. I am Catholic and disagree with a few of their views. In fact I know people of all religions who disagree with something.
As for legislating morality, I agree government shouldn't legislate morality but they do every day. Case in point: It's much easier for a never married single mom to get welfare than it is a married couple. Taxpayers often have to pay for things they don't support.
Fridays
06-27-2011, 01:48 PM
I truly feel sorry for you. I hope for your sake, and that of your childrens, someone someday can make you see how truly hateful and biggoted you are and change your sorry outlook. It is people like you that are the very reason there is so much ugliness in the world.
Children have the right to be loved. Period. The people doing the loving are irrelevant.
and...........
this is why I did not want to debate...
here we go, insulting each other.......
not to mention THAT is not what I said....
JayATee
06-27-2011, 02:02 PM
and...........
this is why I did not want to debate...
here we go, insulting each other.......
not to mention THAT is not what I said....
First of all I quoted you so how is it not what you said? Second of all I didn't insult you. If you find truth and reality insulting it's your problem.
firemaiden04
06-27-2011, 02:03 PM
I feel really sad that so many people are so broken and hateful that they feel a need to use religion to justify their hatred and spite. Just because you're a Christian and you hate gay people doesn't mean that your god hates them, too. It means that YOU are a hateful, prejudiced, narrow-minded, ignorant person who is incapable of taking yourself out of your tiny little box and trying to understand people who are different from you. Just because they are DIFFERENT doesn't mean that you are right and they are wrong. It always comes back to this: Don't like gay marriage? Fine. Don't have one.
Hollyette
06-27-2011, 02:06 PM
and...........
this is why I did not want to debate...
here we go, insulting each other.......
not to mention THAT is not what I said....
yeah right, if you didn't want debate/discussion you wouldn't have posted this thread to a public forum where anyone can register. it's an inflammatory question, it WILL get a rise out of people... to pretend there's a scenario in which it wouldn't spark debate is stupid.
smh at bigots and homophobes asking these questions just to show their asses to the rest of us :-* y'all can kiss this dyke's ass
JayATee
06-27-2011, 02:08 PM
Here's a rejoinder...what's wrong with the term "civil union" for gay marriages? Why does it have to be called a marriage if it has the same legal rights?
And I still think that gay marriages should have slightly lesser adoption rights. Straight couples should get first shot at adopting.
That said, there are a LOT of otherwise unadoptable kids that would thrive in a gay household, and that would be a wonderful thing for society.
Lesser rights? Are gay people somehow less human that they don't deserve the same equality and opportunities the rest of us enjoy? Do you people realize how you sound? This goes much further and we might as well abolish every law that establishes equal rights for anyone other that white, blue eyed, blonde males.
sparky72
06-27-2011, 02:08 PM
In principle I don't have an issue with gays or gay marriage. What people do behind closed doors or who they live with isn't my business
My concern is where do you draw the line about who can or can not get married? Personally I feel a little hypocritical if I oppose polygamy but support gay marriage
MarvelGirl
06-27-2011, 02:18 PM
Lesser rights? Are gay people somehow less human that they don't deserve the same equality and opportunities the rest of us enjoy? Do you people realize how you sound? This goes much further and we might as well abolish every law that establishes equal rights for anyone other that white, blue eyed, blonde males.
Well obviously. Gays are inferior to straights so their "marriage" should be less than anyone elses. By the same token, my husband has a large dick and I have blue eyes so we should have more rights than the standard married couple. You know, because we're better than them.
::)
and...........
this is why I did not want to debate...
here we go, insulting each other.......
not to mention THAT is not what I said....
You don't want to debate because there is nothing to debate. Your position is wrong in every way that can be wrong. There are no moral, logical or reasonable excuses to be against equal rights. History will look at people like you with shame.
Kellydancer
06-27-2011, 02:29 PM
In principle I don't have an issue with gays or gay marriage. What people do behind closed doors or who they live with isn't my business
My concern is where do you draw the line about who can or can not get married? Personally I feel a little hypocritical if I oppose polygamy but support gay marriage
With polygamy my opinion is that as long as everyone is legal and not pressured into it I have no problems. I don't agree with that because I believe married should be between 2 people but as long as they aren't hurting anyone I don't care.
bem401
06-27-2011, 02:40 PM
I feel really sad that so many people are so broken and hateful that they feel a need to use religion to justify their hatred and spite. Just because you're a Christian and you hate gay people doesn't mean that your god hates them, too. It means that YOU are a hateful, prejudiced, narrow-minded, ignorant person who is incapable of taking yourself out of your tiny little box and trying to understand people who are different from you. Just because they are DIFFERENT doesn't mean that you are right and they are wrong. It always comes back to this: Don't like gay marriage? Fine. Don't have one.
There is more hatred and spite being being directed at those opposed to gay MARRIAGE (but not their unions) than anything else here. Several of us here just have a problem with calling it marriage and you deem us hateful, prejudiced, narrow-minded, and ignorant when in fact you do that by displaying those characteristics yourself. I'm not defending some of the more extreme positions here but you ought to consider not displaying what you mistakenly accuse us of displaying.
MarvelGirl
06-27-2011, 03:12 PM
wah, wah, wah, all I did was say that gay people don't deserve the same rights as straight people and then I compared them to animal fuckers and child rapists and people called me INTOLERANT for it.
Jesus christ, go fucking figure.
Fridays
06-27-2011, 03:15 PM
I truly feel sorry for you. I hope for your sake, and that of your childrens, someone someday can make you see how truly hateful and biggoted you are and change your sorry outlook. It is people like you that are the very reason there is so much ugliness in the world.
Children have the right to be loved. Period. The people doing the loving are irrelevant.
This is insulting me.
Im not insulting anyone here, no matter what they believe.
to each otheir own.
Debate away......
I am done :)
JayATee
06-27-2011, 03:23 PM
This is insulting me.
Im not insulting anyone here, no matter what they believe.
to each otheir own.
Debate away......
I am done :)
Truth sucks huh? Maybe you shouldn't be so closed minded and hateful. Then no one would have reason to call you such. There is nothing insulting about calling a spade a spade. It's what you are. Accept it or don't not my problem.
Fridays
06-27-2011, 03:29 PM
You don't want to debate because there is nothing to debate. Your position is wrong in every way that can be wrong. There are no moral, logical or reasonable excuses to be against equal rights. History will look at people like you with shame.
says who?
you have your right to your opinion just as I have my right to one...
A will never be B. because A is A and B is B.
simple as that..
Marriage is a traditional value that people wanna fuck with it just to prove the world they are worthy of being together as a couple..
BE whatever u wanna be, but dont force everyone else to accept it...
and no, Im not a religious fanatic...
I just dont see the point of legalizing gay marriage..
and no, Im not a hater either.
no laws or rules or religious differences can stop 2 people to be in love and stay together for the rest of their lives.
Your opinion is wrong and you are a bigot for having it.
Fridays
06-27-2011, 03:33 PM
Truth sucks huh? Maybe you shouldn't be so closed minded and hateful..
that is what you believe, not what I believe so That is your truth only, not mine and not anyone else's.
Im deff. not close minded and hatefull.
I have what they call "traditional values".::)
Fridays
06-27-2011, 03:34 PM
hey so far we are at 13 % against Gay marriage so there you have it with the absolute truth.
Thankfully people like you are no longer going to matter, it is going to happen either way.
MarvelGirl
06-27-2011, 03:43 PM
that is what you believe, not what I believe so That is your truth only, not mine and not anyone else's.
Im deff. not close minded and hatefull.
I have what they call "traditional values".::)
LMAO
What the hell kind of "traditional values" allow you to dance naked in front of strangers for money? LOL, your hypocrisy is showing again sweetie.
BringOnTheMen
06-27-2011, 03:51 PM
lol @ call it something else.
separate but equal! why didn't i think of that?
so proud of ny.
I've always said Jim Crow had the right idea.
whats next to be legalized? marrying minors and fucking animals? some people do it, lets not discriminate their sexual preferences and make it legal.. right?
see the point?
Has she not seen this? (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=156758)
lilykane
06-27-2011, 03:54 PM
The reason it should be marriage and not just "live together happily ever after" is because of the legal rights that come with marriage--tax breaks, power of attorney, inheritance, not testifying against each other, etc.
Sure marriage can be about love, but there's a lot more to go with it.
Aurora_Sunset
06-27-2011, 03:59 PM
I agree that gay marriage should be legal but churches who are against it shouldn't be forced to perform it. That's their private business. But as for calling it something other than marriage just because marriage is a church sacrament - what? Marriage was a church sacrament long before we became a country, sure.... but marriage was a practice long before it became a sacrament. The church didn't invent marriage and take over all rights to the word and its meanings. Just because they decide to adopt a practice and make it a sacrament, that means the term used to describe it is off-limits to the rest of the world now? Marriage is not a religious term or action. It's an important part of a lot of religions but they did not invent it or own it or have all rights to the word and its meaning.
MarvelGirl
06-27-2011, 04:02 PM
When has a church EVER been forced to perform a marriage ceremony? Seriously, why is that even an issue. It's stupid. My parents had to go to half a dozen churches before they found one that would marry them because they're of different religions.
This is a non issue and just a way to redirect people from the real issue. Churches have never been forced to conduct marriage ceremonies. Besides, I really doubt that many gay couples want to get married in a church that hates them. God hates faggots isn't really most people's song of choice for walking down the aisle.
Aurora_Sunset
06-27-2011, 04:03 PM
The reason it should be marriage and not just "live together happily ever after" is because of the legal rights that come with marriage--tax breaks, power of attorney, inheritance, not testifying against each other, etc.
Sure marriage can be about love, but there's a lot more to go with it.
Exactly.
It's also about equality. If you don't allow gay people to marry, you're essentially saying they are second-class citizens. They can still live together all they want but if you deny them the rights of others based on their sexuality, you are saying that sexuality is wrong and they are wrong and do not deserve equality because of that. There are a lot of people who agree with that mentality - that's why we have a debate. They think homosexuals are wrong and shouldn't be given the same rights. That's what the big deal is to homosexuals - it's not about being allowed to stay with someone. It's about being denied the rights of all your fellow citizens based on an outlook that says you are wrong and second-class.
bem401
06-27-2011, 04:04 PM
The reason it should be marriage and not just "live together happily ever after" is because of the legal rights that come with marriage--tax breaks, power of attorney, inheritance, not testifying against each other, etc.
Sure marriage can be about love, but there's a lot more to go with it.
We are not denying them any rights. The only objection some of us have is to it being called exactly the same thing as a centuries-old sacrament in a religion that forbids it and some of the wing nuts here advocate calling it that by resorting to ranting, raving, and name-calling. SMH. Talk about trying to force-feed one's views on others. Sheesh.
Aurora_Sunset
06-27-2011, 04:05 PM
When has a church EVER been forced to perform a marriage ceremony? Seriously, why is that even an issue. It's stupid. My parents had to go to half a dozen churches before they found one that would marry them because they're of different religions.
This is a non issue and just a way to redirect people from the real issue. Churches have never been forced to conduct marriage ceremonies. Besides, I really doubt that many gay couples want to get married in a church that hates them. God hates faggots isn't really most people's song of choice for walking down the aisle.
I agree. It's just a fear that people have that if gay marriage becomes legal, they worry that people who oppose it will be forced to perform it anyway because of laws that say they can't discriminate. Which, you're right, wouldn't happen anyway so it's a non-issue. People who worry about this though just need to be placated.
bem401
06-27-2011, 04:11 PM
Churches cannot be forced to perform these marriages and (truth-be-known) civil marriages were never recognized by the Church years ago though I do not know if that is still the case. (I'm what is considered a "fallen-away" Catholic because there is enough there I already disagree with).
Aurora_Sunset
06-27-2011, 04:12 PM
We are not denying them any rights. The only objection some of us have is to it being called exactly the same thing as a centuries-old sacrament in a religion that forbids it ...
Like I said in my above post - religion did not invent marriage and does not own it or the term or any sort of definition... you're trying to say that people are "messing with the church's sacrament" - just because they chose to make it a sacrament doesn't make it theirs, especially since they weren't the ones to come up with it in the first place. Nobody's trying to "tarnish" what their definition is - they can choose to keep their views on what a "holy marriage" is and isn't. But they don't own the word.
sananeko
06-27-2011, 04:14 PM
Ok... I love how we are all getting along..
Kellydancer
06-27-2011, 04:15 PM
I agree that gay marriage should be legal but churches who are against it shouldn't be forced to perform it. That's their private business. But as for calling it something other than marriage just because marriage is a church sacrament - what? Marriage was a church sacrament long before we became a country, sure.... but marriage was a practice long before it became a sacrament. The church didn't invent marriage and take over all rights to the word and its meanings. Just because they decide to adopt a practice and make it a sacrament, that means the term used to describe it is off-limits to the rest of the world now? Marriage is not a religious term or action. It's an important part of a lot of religions but they did not invent it or own it or have all rights to the word and its meaning.
Not saying I agree with this but in the Catholic Church they only recognize church weddings as valid. In fact they think people who marry civilly (say in courthouse)but live together as "living in sin". While I disagree with this, personally I would only consider marriage in a church. In fact the priest equated civil marriages to gay marriages and how they are "against God".
Mr Hyde
06-27-2011, 04:16 PM
Lesser rights? Are gay people somehow less human that they don't deserve the same equality and opportunities the rest of us enjoy? Do you people realize how you sound? This goes much further and we might as well abolish every law that establishes equal rights for anyone other that white, blue eyed, blonde males.
Calm down....I am essentially for gay marriages. I just think that a child is not a thing to be trifled with. The best, most healthy household in which to raise a child is with a married man/woman relationship (assuming all else is equal, in terms of the people adopting). A child deserves the best situation into which they can be adopted. If no really good straight married couples are available for a child, then a gay couple should most certainly be able to adopt.
With that stipulation, I'm on board with gay marriage. What does it matter to me if two people want to have this?
By the way...I have to say...for all the supposed open-mindedness in this thread, I've read a few disturbing things. Here they are, sort of summarized...
1-All Christians are gay-hating bigots
2-People who believe in a religion are assholes
3-Straight people fuck everything up
4-All priests molest boys, and the Catholic church condones this
What the fuck? That's tolerance, to rag out straight people and people who believe in a religion?
This thread has been disappointing in its narrow-mindedness.
eagle2
06-27-2011, 04:18 PM
of course its not fine. its horrible and disgusting, but that has nothing to do with gay marriage.
You my dear( Edit: not targeted at anyone in particular) are alive and reading this because you had a mommy and a daddy.
Not 2 daddys!
and
Not 2 mommies!
Living as a gay couple is un-natural and rewarding unnatural behavior is a bad idea.
Living as a gay couple is natural if you were born gay. It is a good idea if you are only attracted to members of your own sex.
Also...
gay marriage has nothing to do with interracial man and woman marriage.
If you allow things like this to become legal, u have to start allowing other things to become legal.. hey , now lets make legal every stupid thing we want...
As horrible as it might look and sound like, society needs boundaries and strict rules, otherwise world as we know it will slowly become a total chaos.
There's nothing stupid about allowing same-sex couples to marry.
whats next to be legalized? marrying minors and fucking animals? some people do it, lets not discriminate their sexual preferences and make it legal.. right?
see the point?
It has always been legal for minors to marry in this country. There is no comparison between marrying same-sex couples and fucking animals. Comparing the two is stupid and ignorant.
Aurora_Sunset
06-27-2011, 04:20 PM
Not saying I agree with this but in the Catholic Church they only recognize church weddings as valid. In fact they think people who marry civilly (say in courthouse)but live together as "living in sin". While I disagree with this, personally I would only consider marriage in a church. In fact the priest equated civil marriages to gay marriages and how they are "against God".
Well, then the Catholic Church is free to diss these people but thankfully, they are not the ones running the government and have no say in whether or not these people are "really" married except in their own church. They can think they own marriage all they want, but it's just not the case. They can keep their views and not recognize what they don't want to recognize within their own church but, in all reality, marriage, the term, and the definition don't belong to them and should have no bearing on how laws are made.
Kellydancer
06-27-2011, 04:25 PM
Calm down....I am essentially for gay marriages. I just think that a child is not a thing to be trifled with. The best, most healthy household in which to raise a child is with a married man/woman relationship (assuming all else is equal, in terms of the people adopting). A child deserves the best situation into which they can be adopted. If no really good straight married couples are available for a child, then a gay couple should most certainly be able to adopt.
With that stipulation, I'm on board with gay marriage. What does it matter to me if two people want to have this?
By the way...I have to say...for all the supposed open-mindedness in this thread, I've read a few disturbing things. Here they are, sort of summarized...
1-All Christians are gay-hating bigots
2-People who believe in a religion are assholes
3-Straight people fuck everything up
4-All priests molest boys, and the Catholic church condones this
What the fuck? That's tolerance, to rag out straight people and people who believe in a religion?
This thread has been disappointing in its narrow-mindedness.
To be honest many of the anti Catholic comments strike a nerve with me. I do not agree with all of the church's views, but many times I feel they are on the mark. The priest was talking about why out of wedlock kids is a problem and how it screws them up and he had stats. However, too many people would attack the priest for saying this. He's saying what many people know but are afraid of the pc police. He's very anti gay marriage and feels marriage is between a man and woman. His theory is because it's in the bible. Of course so is polygamy so that opens up a can of worms.
Actually the diocese here plans to fight the state because Illinois wants to allow anyone to adopt. The diocese only wants to allow married people and singles, but no gays. Discrimination? Perhaps but on the other hand there is a shortage of babies. If we are talking kids, then this seems pretty cruel because there are a lot of kids in Illinois who need homes. If I had the resources now I'd adopt one myself.
eagle2
06-27-2011, 04:25 PM
That doesn't mean you can commandeer the name of a religious sacrament for a type of union that church forbids. That's disrespectful. Marriage has been a church sacrament thousands of years longer than this has been a country.
Bail out if you want. That's what people tend to do when they realize their argument hasn't a leg to stand on.
Again, gay people shouldn't be denied any rights or benefits but their unions are not the same as church marriages and and should be called something different to reflect that.
Sorry, but your church doesn't have a monopoly on the term "marriage", nor did marriage come from the Catholic Church. If your church doesn't want to marry same-sex couples, that's their decision. It is not for your church to decide what people outside the church can and cannot do. Your church does not have the right to decide who can marry and who can't. If your church doesn't like the idea of same-sex couples getting married, it's too bad for them.
Kellydancer
06-27-2011, 04:27 PM
Well, then the Catholic Church is free to diss these people but thankfully, they are not the ones running the government and have no say in whether or not these people are "really" married except in their own church. They can think they own marriage all they want, but it's just not the case. They can keep their views and not recognize what they don't want to recognize within their own church but, in all reality, marriage, the term, and the definition don't belong to them and should have no bearing on how laws are made.
I have no problem with civil marriages and consider those marriages. I will say though part of the church's view has to do with the church and let's be honest, the money. I think the church forgets that not everyone is religious and some don't want a church marriage.
Aurora_Sunset
06-27-2011, 04:35 PM
I have no problem with civil marriages and consider those marriages. I will say though part of the church's view has to do with the church and let's be honest, the money. I think the church forgets that not everyone is religious and some don't want a church marriage.
True. I wasn't saying the church couldn't oppose it all they wanted. I just think that the lawmakers should not take religion into consideration for this because marriage is not just a religion/church thing. If the church thinks it is/should be, they can oppose all they please. I think they're wrong, but they're free to their opinion. But that opinion shouldn't affect lawmakers, because religion and state should be separate, and legally, marriage is for people of all religions, regardless of whether or not they want to get married in a church. So since the church already has little to do with marriage on the legal front, they shouldn't be a part of this debate, IMO.
bem401
06-27-2011, 04:36 PM
Sorry, but your church doesn't have a monopoly on the term "marriage", nor did marriage come from the Catholic Church. If your church doesn't want to marry same-sex couples, that's their decision. It is not for your church to decide what people outside the church can and cannot do. Your church does not have the right to decide who can marry and who can't. If your church doesn't like the idea of same-sex couples getting married, it's too bad for them.
Look, if you want to spend the rest of your life with another guy, go ahead, just show the church the respect of not equating it with one of their sacraments. I begrudge you none of the rights and benefits bestowed upon traditional couples.