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Niko-n-Justine
07-25-2011, 08:22 PM
Okay Bam Bam, let's try another method since you are side stepping everything I say...

Let's do this in the organized method, one argument at a time.

Let's start with your big point which you keep flip flopping on:

You said, "Do any of you girls believe that doing cum shows on an unprotected site which does not block minors, is LEGAL? Do you buy her shit?"

I put the burden of proof on you--show these girls that I'm full of shit. Show all of us the law that says that age verification is a requirement for cam customers. There is no such law, and all previous court rulings have upheld the fact the protection of children from online pornography is the responsibility of the parent or guardian.

Just trump me on this one issue. Show me that camming in public is a breach of Federal law and I'll gladly concede.

Don't feed me with moral responsibility bullshit either... give me the damn court ruling that says that those public cum show MFC girls are breaking Federal law. Don't pussy foot around and ask the girls what they think.. GIVE ME THE DAMN COURT RULING THAT PROVES I'M THE LIAR YOU CLAIM I AM.

Once you have beat me and show me to be incorrect, we'll move on to the next issue. One step at a time, no more 1500 character posts that are impossible to read.

Step up to the plate and show me the court ruling that says it's illegal for a cam girl to do a public cum show. Come on Bam Bam, I'm the dumb ass liar, remember? You and your legal team are apparently holding on to some secret ruling that none of us other girls know about, so please, enlighten us all.

Bambalina
07-25-2011, 11:12 PM
Okay Bam Bam, let's try another method since you are side stepping everything I say...

Let's do this in the organized method, one argument at a time.

Let's start with your big point which you keep flip flopping on:

You said, "Do any of you girls believe that doing cum shows on an unprotected site which does not block minors, is LEGAL? Do you buy her shit?"

I put the burden of proof on you--show these girls that I'm full of shit. Show all of us the law that says that age verification is a requirement for cam customers. There is no such law, and all previous court rulings have upheld the fact the protection of children from online pornography is the responsibility of the parent or guardian.

Just trump me on this one issue. Show me that camming in public is a breach of Federal law and I'll gladly concede.

Don't feed me with moral responsibility bullshit either... give me the damn court ruling that says that those public cum show MFC girls are breaking Federal law. Don't pussy foot around and ask the girls what they think.. GIVE ME THE DAMN COURT RULING THAT PROVES I'M THE LIAR YOU CLAIM I AM.

Once you have beat me and show me to be incorrect, we'll move on to the next issue. One step at a time, no more 1500 character posts that are impossible to read.

Step up to the plate and show me the court ruling that says it's illegal for a cam girl to do a public cum show. Come on Bam Bam, I'm the dumb ass liar, remember? You and your legal team are apparently holding on to some secret ruling that none of us other girls know about, so please, enlighten us all.

I have NEVER said there is a FEDERAL law that says doing cum shows is illegal. Everyone who knows the law at all, knows COPA was struck down. So you are bringing up a non-issue as usual.

Also, the ball is in YOUR court. I am not going to dance to your stupid little tune. I don't even care to argue it with you. I already asked a question and you are dodging it.

If you cannot answer me (which I ALREADY ASKED and you are ALREADY DODGING) why MFC uses the words "Actions that may be deemed obscene in your community."?

When that is the very test of obscenity. Hmmm...

For now, read this:

Which shows community standards do apply to internet cases. Therefore, while COPA is no more, there is DEFINITE reason to believe one could be busted on a state or local level for obscenity. It is also illegal in several states to distribute or perform in a pornographic manner for minors, and the internet must abide by that community standard, for example;

Hawaii state law:


§712-1215 Promoting pornography for minors. (1) A person commits the offense of promoting pornography for minors if: (a) Knowing its character and content, the person disseminates to a minor material which is pornographic for minors; or
(b) Knowing the character and content of a motion picture film or other performance which, in whole or in part, is pornographic for minors, the person:
(i) Exhibits such motion picture film or other performance to a minor; or
(ii) Sells to a minor an admission ticket or pass to premises where there is exhibited or to be exhibited such motion picture film or other performance; or
(iii) Admits a minor to premises where there is exhibited or to be exhibited such motion picture film or other performance.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a parent, guardian, or other person in loco parentis to the minor or to a sibling of the minor, or to a person who commits any act specified therein in the person's capacity and within the scope of the person's employment as a member of the staff of any public library.
(3) Promoting pornography for minors is a class C felony. [L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; am L 1974, c 190, §1; am L 1988, c 283, §1; gen ch 1993; am L 2000, c 21, §2]





Also:
New York State Law (your show goes to New York right?)

§ 235.21 Disseminating indecent material to minors in the second degree.

Which includes the following text:


3. Knowing the character and content of the communication which, in whole or in part, depicts actual or simulated nudity, sexual conduct or sado-masochistic abuse, and which is harmful to minors, he intentionally uses any computer communication system allowing the input, output, examination or transfer, of computer data or computer programs from one computer to another, to initiate or engage in such communication with a person who is a minor. Disseminating indecent material to minors in the second degree is a class E felony.

Want more? In other words you can be prosecuted under the laws of MOST states.

So your contention that it is LEGAL to do shows for minors is wrong for several reasons, and your ridiculous stubborn adherence to only Federal Law is laughable, since websites have been shut down and the owners JAILED when they were from California and the prosecution took place for sending data to Tennessee.

Data going across state lines adds to the criminal aspect and can even be considered for wire fraud law.

In other words, you're wrong, and I proved it. Two statutes you CAN be prosecuted under.

Now you tell ME, how is it acceptable to knowingly perform sexual acts in front of minors?? Sure, their parents should be more responsible and yadda yadda, but in the end YOU (If you do cum shows in free) are performing highly sexual shows for MINORS. I know damn well at least some of you MFC girls have had guests come in and say they are minors because it happens on MFC often. So you KNOW they are there.

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sweetheather
07-25-2011, 11:27 PM
I don't see how expecting a company to enforce the rules they set forth is so controversial.

Bambalina
07-26-2011, 12:52 AM
Now, lets get back to that other thing....

You said any camsite would require $500,000...oops wait...no, you amended it, didn't you...Yes...I believe it is $1.000,000 (ONE MILLION DOLLARS) to START a webcam site. Isn't that correct? I mean you were slandering me pretty good there...So let's make sure you can back up all YOUR statements too, shall we? Do you still stand by that (cough cough ChatGF) anyone starting a camsite needs $1,000.000 (cough cough ChatGF)??? Hmmm? Because I have someone we need to ask if he had $1,000.000 when he started his site. We'll need to probably go to Other Work to do that since he is a he...(speaking of which, is Nico short for Nicolette?..Wouldn't be a MAN would it?...I hope not...in Camming Connection)...

Anyway...my turn...

1> Please post a photo or proof of you OWNING the $100,000 server from Dell. I am really excited to see it, and know the model number of it and the specs of the server that is NEEDED to start a cam site.

I can't get the Dell PowerEdge T710 up over about $20k even when I add all the options...grrr...you must have some good juju to get a server up around $100,000. Tell us your Secret!!! And show us this miracle server that I must have or I can't open a cam site. I wanna be able to know your word is your bond! So show me the $100.000 serve YOU OWN one of.

Can't wait!

2. I like this:

"Bandwidth is VERY VERY VERY expensive especially when you are dealing with the amount of traffic that MFC has to deal with."

Try this:

Um, "Bandwidth is VERY VERY VERY cheap, especially when you are dealing with the amount of traffic that MFC has to deal with"

How can I say this? Well, when MFC started they didn't deal with 1/200th the bandwidth they do today. I mean We ALL know that right? Start-up cam sites do not have MFC bandwidth requirements at ALL, not even close. Even though Nico (what is that short for?) seems to really try to strongly infer that...(kinda like I infer things about "Nico" and how you are so aggressive, and it makes me wonder if we've ever met Justine...hahaha...silly me)...


MFC started with hosting equivalent to the price of ABOUT a T1 MAYBE...and that was like $500 and got them enough to get by as a small site...they now use like a few HUNDRED TIMES (Or even way more) the bandwidth of their start-up, and their costs are NOT $50,000 for bandwidth (an OC 3 is 155 Megabits and is like $12k) So as they increased to say 200 times the bandwidth, their price only went up 24 times what it was...in other words they make 200-500 times what they used to, and spend 24 times what they used to...so bandwidth is VERY VERY cheap.

This sentence:

"Secondly, you have no idea how much bandwidth and servers cost. " and this one, "that doesn't count the minimum T3" and this "Bandwidth is VERY VERY VERY expensive especially when you are dealing with the amount of traffic that MFC has to deal with." truly INFER that is necessary to START a cam site. Yet if you are nearly as SMART as you say you are, then you know that is absolutely NOT true.

So which is it? Are you wrong? Or a liar?

Oh, and can you Please do me a favor....Show us the $100,000 server I need to START a webcam company...ok? You OWN such a server you said...So, could you photograph it please and upload it and the specs...thanks....Did I ask that already? Hmm...I suppose I did...

I know you've never heard of paid hosting, because you live..um...somehwere they don't have paid Red5/Flash hosting for camsites. I guess...So that is why you lied..er...said I MUST have this $100,000 server you own one of and can easily photograph and show us and point us to the link for where they are charging $100,000 for it. K? Thanks.

3. "Nothing short of $1-million total to get this thing working will be sufficient."

So, Leo came in with $1million to start it? The SM people did too I suppose? and LJ? IM? AW? They all STARTED with $1million...that is what you are saying? And I suppose you have prooof to back that up? That Camcontacts, and Steam and every even semi major camsite started with a $1million or more bankroll.

You are again a charlatan, and a liar, and I want facts to prove me wrong. Let's see who is dodging...ChatGF on here can tell us if he had a $1million bankroll to START his camsite.

The FACT is, you are a know-nothing, and I have been involved in more start-up sites than you FOR SURE, and I can tell you that YOU would be STUNNED to know how little many of these HUGE sites STARTED with.

So PROVE the things you say and quit slandering me and our Collective, when you have no fucking idea how much and what we can do.

Oh yeah...and about that $100,000 server???

And why not say we need an OC-3 or OC-12 while yer at it....pffft!

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Bambalina
07-26-2011, 12:53 AM
I don't see how expecting a company to enforce the rules they set forth is so controversial.

Unless you work for the company, and they don;t want to change.

Hmmm...

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Bambalina
07-26-2011, 02:10 AM
I'm torn on this issue. While I would LOVE to see things like anal, DP, fisting, peeing/pooing/squirting NOT be part of a freechat room...I'm still on the fence about normal masturbation. Probably because I'd be a hypocrite if I said that I wasn't because I DO do hitatchi or vibrator shows a few times a week. Do I NEED to? Well, if I looked at it, probably not. I made $900 last nite in my free chat in tips alone before I even started a countdown for a cum show.


Hi you!

Well, I think that overall, you have to make that decision. But I think that knowing you as much as I do, that if there was MFC with the rules in place, you would have found a way to have the Great Guys you have right now, as well as be making bank, because that is who YOU are. You're awesome.




But do I think that doing them benefits me? I'd say yes. It exposes me to all of the hundreds of guys who join my room as soon as the toy comes out, which leads to future customers...doing one cum show instead of 18 privates keeps my body and vagina healthier and happier.


I may be wrong, but if MFC started using the rules tomorrow, you could still live on the edge of the rules and do shows that brought all those guys in, because they wouldn't be looking for Hitachi shows for free anymore, or CC doing a Lesbo shower show, or any of the other insane shows out there now...those would ALL be gone and you'd be able to do a sexy naked Ashie shower show with NO cum, and segue it into a group show with 20 or more to start. Where you bring out the Hitachi.

Point is, you are you and you would make it work and you would get MORE guys in your room when you got in the shower and got naked (which is TOTALLY within the MFC rules) because thousands of guys would be roaming around and not sucked in by the HollyHanna experience...or whatever...



And opting to do one cum show instead of a bunch of privates keeps me in my freechat room where I ultimately have way more fun because I LOVE interacting with my boys and honestly if I were being taken private every 15 minutes, they wouldn't get the interaction from me that they so greatly deserve, and that would make me sad.


I don't think you're thinking of TRULY how it would be if MFC followed the rules. HUGE Group shows would be the RULE, not the exception. There would be MUCH more of a group atmosphere on MFC. And Doing a 20 guy 1 hour group is really nice. But personally I could imagine popular ladies like you, could get groups in the 100-200 range if the CUM shows were suddenly cut off and the only way to see you cum was in group, because that is how you do it. It would be a slightly different hustle, that's all, and MORE closeness with your FAVORITE guys who truly support you. And the non-nude non-cum stuff in public...well that wouldn't change.



My time on MFC wouldn't even be close to the same if I had to rely on privates and I'd be willing to bet that I'd wind up losing most of my income because 90% of my tips come from my biggest fans who love seeing me smile, enjoy my interaction and personality and tip for nothing...


Having seen you work I agree...but you wouldn't have to do any more privates than you do now...or maybe a FEW more...but nothing like back to back privates...Ash, in the scenario I talk about...GROUP is made for you and the kickass group of guys you assembled...free chat for the tips and the fun and Group for the Hitachi show...You know damn well you could pull it off, and if it truly helped EVERY other camgirl out there, as well as camming itself??


I'd say 10% comes from countdowns for my nudeshows.

Nude would not have to stop...the rules say NUDE is fine...so shower shows, and body painting, and whipped cream undies and all that bstuff is fine...dancing and stripping and everything else...just no masturbation and no toys...those are saved for your new SA Mega-Group shows...



So yeah...doing away with free shows would ultimately hurt me because I know I'd hate having to go private all the time and missing my boys, and missing out on more potential income just being in freechat hanging out and having a good time....


Your freechat would get more fun when the total freeloaders start realizing they don't get to cum for free and skeedaddle away...When the pool of tippers get times bigger because guys now realize they NEED to tip and go group and stuff to see the good stuff...it becomes a sweet fun tease again...as opposed to the rule breaking free for all...and that can only benefit you cuz yer the goddess of sweet fun tease...



but on the flipside, I DO see the arguments about doing away with hardcore stuff in freechat. Maybe the rules just need to be more strictly enforced?


That is all we;re hoping for...nothing more...all this other bullshit is just that...crap...we're just asking that the rules get enforced...Nudity is OK in those rules too....



Is there no middle ground? Can't there be a compromise? Like say, no more of the super hardcore or illegal shiz at ALL ...but masturbation is allowed as long as its tame? I don't know...wishful thinking...

Explain tame masturbation darlin'? I think IMPLIED masturbation without showing the act would be ok...but I think you're totally missing out on the money-making possibilities here, and on the new role of GROUP in the post "rule breaker" MFC world.

Lemme know what you think.

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Bambalina
07-26-2011, 02:11 AM
Also, real quick...

I'm kinda fat after having my son...I have fibromyalgia...I'm over 40...

I have no aspirations of bettering Leo, because I travel around the country with my Husband and my little son and my 3 dogs, in a 5th wheel trailer with a slide out room. I don't need Millions of Dollars. I'd like to comfortably make what I did at camming at my best (it was good ladies) and what I made when I was promoting 5 or 6 girls at once. If something takes off and I make way more, I'd probably give a lot of it away to my nieces and my family. At least once my little boy was taken care of.

So whoever wants to paint me as some greedy evil envious woman, who is out to screw whoever to get to the top, feel free to do so, but those who know me, know nothing is further from the truth. The top is too much damn work and too much hassle fighting everyone who wants to take it away from you.

A nice steady residual income...one that lasts after yer camming days are done...that's what works....And once you hit 40, I promise you...it feels REAL nice to give something back to the business that made your life fun and exciting and made you enough money to really enjoy yourself. To the girls who are struggling like I never had to, because some stupid MAN did something dumb to ruin this business.

I'm sorry you girls have to go through this, and I just want to help...but honestly, I don't want to help bad enough to be abused and treated like shit by some asshole on a forum. You've heard what I have to say. You've heard what "Nico" has to say. Some of you "get it" and some of you don't. That's ok.

But unless there is REALLY something new said here, Nico can run rampant and attack me and say nasty things about me and be as hurtful as can be, and I don't really care because I know who my friends are, and we're gonna rock and roll! For now, I'm outta this until it gets fun again.

B

Niko-n-Justine
07-26-2011, 05:25 AM
Well, I would love to respond to you, but you couldn't keep the topic to one simple thing at a time, so I'll have to wait until this evening to debunk you again. Once again you are spinning laws that have nothing to do with the subject at hand, and I'll show you this afternoon. Not that I expect you to stay on topic, it's easier to confuse and bewilder a crowd when you start railing out 900 things at once so no one has the time to focus--that's what a spinmeister does.

Anyway, be back this afternoon...

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 06:32 AM
LMAO, that is outrageous! THERE ARE MILLIONS OF FREE SHOWS VIA OTHER PORN SITES ON THE INTERNET.

Are you crusading against xvideos.com, redtube.com, etc etc??

The tube sites aren't performing live for free and knowingly having minors view their site. I have seen with my own eyes, children saying they are 10, 12, 14 years old and not get banned..



Hell no you aren't, it's not about morals for you, it's about the money, that's it--so don't pretend to be on some moral crusade.

It's pretty clear it is about money and morals. You are just side stepping.



Like you yourself stated before, you are a promoter. You are a spinmeister, hype creator, and pot stirrer. That's what a promoter does.

We are all promoters. 8)




And once again, I'll repeat myself just like you are repeating yourself again--putting women at risk for your personal gain is selfish, and wrong. Your so-called "outing" of MFC absolutely positively will cause media outlets to dig into who the girls are on the site. IT HAPPENS EVERY DAMN TIME IN THIS SORT OF MEDIA INVESTIGATIONS....

And before you call me a liar again, go find me one sex scandal where the girl or girls are still anonymous from the scandal. You ain't gonna find one, because they don't exist.

That just made me LOL. Obviously, you can't find a sex scandal where the girls are anonymous... because they're fucking anonymous. But there are quite a few.
This is about following the RULES. THE RULES. THE FUCKING RULES! Shit.. nobody wants to call out a bunch of cam girls, but even if it were to happen.. there are so many. SOOOOO many. and with the WWW and the recent PWL debacle, anonymity on the internet is close to zilch.. and if you think otherwise, you are dreaming.


Oh yeah and for the record, I don't do public cums shows for "free" or for money.... but I give support to any girl who makes her hustle that way, and I ain't mad at them, I respect their game and I hope they bank everyday of the week.


I think you pointed this out multiple times. But it doesn't matter if YOU do it. It matters that the MAJORITY does it. So basically, you are not mad that other women are out there taking money out of your pocket, and credibility away from your shows as well as those of other cam girls.. because why? they were 'smart' enough to hustle this way? ::)

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 06:42 AM
Wow, and shit money has nothing to do with the world economy for the last 2 years.

OKay, live in fantasy world.

Some people will always make money no matter how bad the economy is. Some people will never thrive even in a great economy.

To say it is all MFC fault and nothing else factors into it is nuts.

A friend of mine is from Europe. She did work with the Russian mob to launder money for several years. They would spend thousands on her in prvts & tips. Scam with each model only works for about 2 weeks. Hence why most cam companies say the 1st check is held back for 2 weeks or more.

Yes, I do agree that MFC should enforce their own rules. But realize their rules and such are all on wikipedia, not a document they host on their own site. Other cam companies have the rules directly in their contracts, MFC doesn't. Am I the only one to notice this, so based on that info, there is no rules.

Smooches,
Sam

If your friend worked with the Russian Mob to scam in order to get herself lots of money on cam.. then she deserved to have all that money taken back.. ::) In which case, would be stupid on the money launderers end, because they are only making 50% of their money back... that just makes no sense.

MFC owns the wiki (created it, they have say on who edits it, and the info in there)... in which case, it is their rules, that they use, for their site.

Oh and, MOST jobs out here in the real world will hold your first week's check back due to PAYROLL.

We're not saying it is all MFCs fault.. it is definitely a responsibility on the women to uphold the rules/regulations. But, MFC is very weak and inconsistent when it comes to making their performers follow the rules. It's as simple as getting a 2 or 3 day ban in order to get someone to realize that they can't do what they do without there being consequences.

Everything has consequences.

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 06:56 AM
The following things, actual or implied, are absolutely forbidden on camera at any time and for any reason, in both private and public chat. Most of them constitute Zero-Tolerance violations, meaning the model will be banned the first time it happens.

Men on camera for any reason.
Happens every day
Sexual relations with men.
Again, every day
Minors, children, babies; may not be on camera or in the same room.
Unfortunately... it happens.
Unauthorized persons (persons for whom we do not have proper name and ID on file.)
Quite Often..
Bestiality, or animals/pets on camera in a sexual or provocative context.
Seen it..
Urination or defecation, "going to the bathroom".
Yep..
Breastfeeding or lactation.
Again... yes.

Menstrual bleeding.
Saw a girl rip out a bloody tampon from her crotch.. so Yep...

Illegal drugs, or drugs that may be perceived as illegal in other locations. (e.g. Medicinal marijuana)
Excessive consumption of alcohol or other legal or prescribed medicines or narcotics.

I Love my Marijuana, too.. but yes.. this happens often.
Sleeping or "passing out".

LOL... Yep.
Incest (sexual relations involving family members).
Hopefully, not.
Penetration of the vagina or anus with items not meant for sexual stimulation (e.g. bottles, baseball bats).
Oh MY..... Every day.. on the hour.

Illegal or unsafe activity of any kind.
Violence, blood, torture, pain, erotic asphyxiation, or any actions associated with bringing harm to yourself in any way.
Yes..
Actions that may be deemed obscene in your community.

***In Public Chat, sexually-explicit conduct is NOT allowed. It is impossible to define this term with perfect accuracy, but here are some examples of conduct that would not be allowed: using sex toys, genital penetration of any kind, masturbation, using the camera to "zoom" into genitalia, and other things of this sort.***
^^ When I'm on here it's almost as if this rule does not apply, exist, or is even enforced.

All sites have their bad apples... unfortunately, MFC is full of them.. get ready to spoil.




So... all the rules.. are broken, at least every day, and most times multiple times per day.

Fridays
07-26-2011, 07:26 AM
I dont know if anyone will read this, but this is my 10 cents LOL

Things are pretty eazy.
BAN the girls who are showing ANY unregistered people on their webcam..
Anything else goes!
I think the first time I accessed MFC there was a Disclaimer there "if you are over 18 enter- if not leave"... I dont see it now, as I think its a 1 time thing? this goes for the "minors can see the live masturbation shows on MFC"... minors can see porn anywhere they want, its 1 click away..... just type PORN in google and MFC will NOT be the first site that shows up!
As far as MFC reinforcing all their rules, as I said they can make it " there is NO rule, have at it, do whatever you want.. except other people on cam and except whatever is consider illegal in your community"( they have this little paraghraph there somewhere".) then what?
No one can sit here and say" But MFC is not inforcing their rules... so Im making less $$ now and less $$$ in the future... Becuase there are no rules! ok? Do what you want except those 2 things. Why is this unfair to the current models and future models?
May the best model win! Isnt this the rule of life? May the best fighter win?Why would I hate on Aspen because she is so freaking perfect and young ( we may compete with the quality of the shows.. but we can never compete with AGE!).. I can hate all I want, its not going to change anything... So the bottom line is... These cust are on the sites to be entertained.. if you manage to extract some $$$ from them, GREAT!! if not.. oh well... do something else.. as harsh as it sounds, Im telling myself the same thing.THIS is LIFE! Life is Hard! You have to work(hustle hard) or you are shit outta luck! Same on the sites.. You either do your best, or you will NOT make alot.. and this is not only on MFC, this goes for ANY site... on cams.com u need to update your Fan club and NEED to be online those 80 hours a month to get all the % they offer,, on MFC u have to do free shows to compete ( or maybe not so, but you do have to put in alot of hours or promise people you will meet them, fuck them, marry them etc etc)...

Ban that Agent99 idiot for showing peopple on cam!
and Lets get on going with no rules.
That means If I wanna sit in my free chat and show the fucking wall for 1 hour I will do that and hey some people might pay for it! I once showed a total blacl picture and I said this is the inside of my vagina and some idiot tipped 400 tok. Why is this unfair?
Should we all have to ONLY do dildo shows to make $$? Like other sites REQUIRE in private. they say if cust ask and u dont do it, you;re penalized. This is pimping. MFC says do whatever you want, we dont care ( except the 2 rules)..... Isnt it better?.
Adult webcamming is considered adult entertaining, right? That should have no rules. Some might be turned on to give a show to 1000 people! Where in the world will one have that option? No where else.
MFC has the traffic it has becuase of these "free" shows.
And when Aspen is done with hers, the cust who watched for free ( when they could have paid) might.... just might... come to ME and give Me their $$.. I'll take that. I will take that over a website that does not have this ammount of traffic, where you sit there and u have no one in the room... at least in MFC they are there even if playing dead ( no talking , no tipping)...Will it be hard to compete with Aspen? ( Im saying Aspen, I mean all top models who do public shows) Yes it will be hard.
Niko and Bamb, no need for name calling.
There is room for everybody and everybody's point of view.
And regardless of how this and that site run their shit, SOMEONE will pay.
Why? Cause they can and they want to.
How you get someone to pay?
I dunno. Get creative.

ps. spell check not working, sorry for typos.

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 08:14 AM
I dont know if anyone will read this, but this is my 10 cents LOL

Things are pretty eazy.
BAN the girls who are showing ANY unregistered people on their webcam..
Anything else goes!
I think the first time I accessed MFC there was a Disclaimer there "if you are over 18 enter- if not leave"... I dont see it now, as I think its a 1 time thing? this goes for the "minors can see the live masturbation shows on MFC"... minors can see porn anywhere they want, its 1 click away..... just type PORN in google and MFC will NOT be the first site that shows up!
As far as MFC reinforcing all their rules, as I said they can make it " there is NO rule, have at it, do whatever you want.. except other people on cam and except whatever is consider illegal in your community"( they have this little paraghraph there somewhere".) then what?
No one can sit here and say" But MFC is not inforcing their rules... so Im making less $$ now and less $$$ in the future... Becuase there are no rules! ok? Do what you want except those 2 things. Why is this unfair to the current models and future models?
May the best model win! Isnt this the rule of life? May the best fighter win?

In short, No. That isn't the rule of life.. that is the rule of competition. In which case, it is not right, fair, or SMART to allow complete disregard for YOUR OWN INDUSTRY... EVEN IN COMPETITION THERE ARE RULES! WHY is that SOOOOO damn difficult to understand? You are making it so in the future, NOBODY will pay to see naked women. It's close to that now. Is it really rocket science here?



Why would I hate on Aspen because she is so freaking perfect and young ( we may compete with the quality of the shows.. but we can never compete with AGE!).. I can hate all I want, its not going to change anything...
This is such a sad excuse. It's not about 'hating' on someone because they're beautiful. I've seen butt ass ugly women make bank as well as those bubbly, cutesy girls.




Ban that Agent99 idiot for showing peopple on cam!
and Lets get on going with no rules.
That means If I wanna sit in my free chat and show the fucking wall for 1 hour I will do that and hey some people might pay for it!

So ban HER and have that ONE rule? No, we aren't hating on anyone here, huh?

This is so crazy. Fuck yourself for an hour and if people pay you then great? What? I've never heard such ludicrous nonsense.

It's a shame that girls that are just now hopping into this have such horrible views on how much their own bodies are worth, what they need to do in order to make money, and how to do it the right way, and in a profitable manner.

Fucking yourself for 500 nickels with 250 people watching... is not profitable, smart, or justified in any way.

Fridays
07-26-2011, 09:59 AM
My multiple quote is not working right...
In short, No. That isn't the rule of life.. that is the rule of competition. In which case, it is not right, fair, or SMART to allow complete disregard for YOUR OWN INDUSTRY... EVEN IN COMPETITION THERE ARE RULES! WHY is that SOOOOO damn difficult to understand? You are making it so in the future, NOBODY will pay to see naked women. It's close to that now. Is it really rocket science here?

In this case we will have to adapt to do whatever pays. Maybe get other jobs. Maybe start our own business. Life is a competition. And it has 1 rule : You have to fight. If you dont fight, you die. Simple as that. Just becase on MFC it is harder to fight, its not right? Do you think it is easier to make $ on sites without free shows? It is NOT. It is just as hard.



This is such a sad excuse. It's not about 'hating' on someone because they're beautiful. I've seen butt ass ugly women make bank as well as those bubbly, cutesy girls.

Im useing Aspen as an example because she is so popular. And you said it , if they bank, thats all that matters.


So ban HER and have that ONE rule? No, we aren't hating on anyone here, huh?

Yep. Ban whoever shows unregistered people and thats it. Why the HATE against MFC? There were sites before MFC that were successfull, there are site NOW that are successfull and there will be other sites in the future... This might just be the NEW game. Warn users about the sexual content that might be there.. and let them do whatever they want. This is freedom. Isnt this what we want?

This is so crazy. Fuck yourself for an hour and if people pay you then great? What? I've never heard such ludicrous nonsense.

No one forces no one to fuck themselves for 1 hour. Hell Aspen fucks herself for 10-15 min MAx ( I timed her lol).. I see girls doing the public shows for a loooong time. Why? cause they hope more people will pay. Does it work for them? Maybe. I dont know. its not my business. My business is how long are my shows and how much I make.

It's a shame that girls that are just now hopping into this have such horrible views on how much their own bodies are worth, what they need to do in order to make money, and how to do it the right way, and in a profitable manner.

Seriously, I dont care about girls getting in this business now and how it is for them NOW comparing to how it was in the past. It might be hard for them now, but hell it was hard for me then. Where they there to hold my hand in the past when it was hard for me? No. Am I here for them now with advice and support? Yes. Should I stop giving advice to girls just because in the PAST no one was giving me advice?. Maybe I should.
Is it harder to have total freedom to do whatever you want in your chatroom? I think it is easier! Yes I might complain at times about not making the $$ I want, but did I forget to mention the previous 2 days I did nothing all day?(aka did not work?) who's fault is that? Mine and mine only.


Fucking yourself for 500 nickels with 250 people watching... is not profitable, smart, or justified in any way.

And this is not smart for who? The model? The model knows what she's making. If she thinks she can do better then she should try harder, try other sites , or try other JOBS!
If someone wants to start up their own sites, more power to them, that is amazing. But lets see how are they doing to get the traffic. Even if they do not promote free shows , or try to promote them. Either way. Its doing to be extremely hard. Even if MFC stops existing, that new site will have to compete with THOUSANDS OF FREE PORN WEBSITES THAT NO ONE CAN TAKE DOWN!

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 10:23 AM
In this case we will have to adapt to do whatever pays. Maybe get other jobs. Maybe start our own business. Life is a competition. And it has 1 rule : You have to fight. If you dont fight, you die. Simple as that. Just becase on MFC it is harder to fight, its not right? Do you think it is easier to make $ on sites without free shows? It is NOT. It is just as hard.

We like our jobs for the reasons that we do get to be at home. I personally have many reasons why I cannot work outside of the home. We all have our reasons for doing so, and just because some girls want to be cheap.. doesn't mean we should pack it in and go out of comfort zones just because of some morons.

Do you not see this as fighting? WE ARE FIGHTING! LOL

And Yes... I know for a fact before MFC it was VEEEEEEERY easy to make money on sites without free shows.




Seriously, I dont care about girls getting in this business now and how it is for them NOW comparing to how it was in the past. It might be hard for them now, but hell it was hard for me then. Where they there to hold my hand in the past when it was hard for me? No. Am I here for them now with advice and support? Yes. Should I stop giving advice to girls just because in the PAST no one was giving me advice?. Maybe I should.
Is it harder to have total freedom to do whatever you want in your chatroom? I think it is easier! Yes I might complain at times about not making the $$ I want, but did I forget to mention the previous 2 days I did nothing all day?(aka did not work?) who's fault is that? Mine and mine only.

No. We're not saying to make it easier for girls to get in this business. We are saying that the money still needs to be ABLE to be MADE by ALL women.. new or old.



Fucking yourself for 500 nickels with 250 people watching... is not profitable, smart, or justified in any way.

And this is not smart for who? The model? The model knows what she's making. If she thinks she can do better then she should try harder, try other sites , or try other JOBS!
If someone wants to start up their own sites, more power to them, that is amazing. But lets see how are they doing to get the traffic. Even if they do not promote free shows , or try to promote them. Either way. Its doing to be extremely hard. Even if MFC stops existing, that new site will have to compete with THOUSANDS OF FREE PORN WEBSITES THAT NO ONE CAN TAKE DOWN!

It's not smart for ANYONE. Especially the model.. because she has no idea that if she stopped pumping herself for free that people would actually pay her for doing a whole lot less... 8)

I guess nobody realizes the feats that men will go through to see a naked lady... and a naked lady that will actually talk to them to boot!

Fridays
07-26-2011, 10:36 AM
One more reply and Im officially off this forum for the day.
I wold rather work then argue back and forth.

Whoever does not like how MFC does business, should not work with MFC.

This fight to try to get MFc to enforce their rules is a lost fight.
MFC will change when they decide to.it is their company, their business, their money.
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what would you say if you had your own business and some other business owners would come to you and say :" Thats it! You now have to do What I say it is best for you!"
Seriously...
Case closed.

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 10:46 AM
^^ All businesses follow rules and regulations of local and federal statue. Your point is null.

yes, there are rules that are followed in this industry among business owners just like other industries. This makes our industry look crappy. Customers will (and DO) look at it like.. why should I pay this one, when I can see this one for free? Not all of the custies are like that or we would definitely not be making any money... but when more and more people are coming to a site for 'free faps'.. it looks bad on the rest of the community. Remember... undercutting is frowned up in ALL self-employed businesses.

Rileiy
07-26-2011, 10:50 AM
I would like to add if this does in fact go through. Alot of the lady gaga of camgirls would have to resort to the old way of camming. I mean I don't think Agent would make money like she used to. Being that the things she do is illegal in any country. I mean do you really want to see that?

I know the rule about guys on cam is the only rule I know of being enforced. Is the bestiality rule also enforce? I feel like if I was to be banned ever I would have alot to bitch about. ( How so and so did this and that.)

kballar
07-26-2011, 11:00 AM
I'm just wondering if all those rules are so irrelevant, WHY do they have you sign a legal document agreeing to them in the first place?

MzStar
07-26-2011, 11:04 AM
I'm just wondering if all those rules are so irrelevant, WHY do they have you sign a legal document agreeing to them in the first place?

Because they will lose the credit card processing if they didnt have that ....in fact if someone reported it high enough MFC would loose VISA

kballar
07-26-2011, 11:07 AM
BUT the "rules" are irrelevant!!!! Lmao

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 11:13 AM
I would like to add if this does in fact go through. Alot of the lady gaga of camgirls would have to resort to the old way of camming. I mean I don't think Agent would make money like she used to. Being that the things she do is illegal in any country. I mean do you really want to see that?

I know the rule about guys on cam is the only rule I know of being enforced. Is the bestiality rule also enforce? I feel like if I was to be banned ever I would have alot to bitch about. ( How so and so did this and that.)


That's not true,.. it's not a problem with MFC alone, it's the rule breaking and the blatant disregard for others in this industry. Those girls would STILL be able to be in a public room and still be able to do their games, flash tits, make an atmosphere... just without sexing themselves for everyone to see. I hope the bestiality is being enforced, as it is highly obscene- let alone wretchedly disgusting. But, it is enforced just as much as everything else... not at all.

The story of "Zagu."

Nearly 10 years ago, there was a local entrepreneur that hit on the idea of making cheap flavored milk shakes. He would take a powdered and flavored milk mix, add water and ice, blend, and voila, you had a milk shake. The idea was so simple that he needed very little overhead, price was quite reasonable (50% above the price of soda), and before you knew it, there was a Zagu shop on every corner. He also hit on the idea to franchise it, while he supplied the powder mix to those with a franchise.

However, soon after, copycat Zagu's started popping up, even right across the street. And their products were identical / inferior, but that didn't stop them. They simply thought "hey, if people think it's the same thing, we'll make our prices lower than Zagu's to attract Zagu's customers!"

Of course, in a 3rd-world country (or, ahem, one in a recession), price is a major factor, so the idea did hit off. Soon, every other Zagu copy was lowering their price, and even the original, Zagu, resorted to lowering their prices as well. The entire "quick shake" industry became entangled in an endless spiral of undercutting.

In the end, ALL of them were making nearly nothing from each sale. In USD, the equivalent would be like making 5c per sale. Their perpetual undercutting continually devalued the industry, and now, even though some of them still remain, none of the buying public expects to pay more than 10% over the price of a can of soda. Why? Because prices became so low that the perceived value of the product was also lowered.

Bambalina
07-26-2011, 03:17 PM
Ok, I am here in a limited fashion, because I finally realized that to just ignore Nico-n-Justine would be a better option for me.

Whoever else feels like it can argue with the drama producing and lying N-n-J...And I can answer people who aren't working for MFC and attacking me without reason. Have fun N-n-J, and I will check in every once in a while to see the $100,000 server you own, with pictures, specs, and where it sells for $100,000, as well as your explanation about why a start-up camsite cannot start with PAID HOSTING...Until then...Ignored.

The last thing I will say in the argument is this, and it's to all the women who might think N-n-J have a point...

If you live in a state which makes selling/transferring/providing porn to minors illegal (pretty much EVERY state has a law that will cover this, which is why adult bookstores in every state require you to be ADULT), and you do shows which are considered pornographic in a place that is known to not be protected against minors, then you are liable for prosecution.

If you are unsure of whether I am telling the truth, Google "Adult Entertainment Attorney" and most have a free phone consultation. Ask a FEW attorneys about doing Free Porn shows in a unprotected web space that is known to have minors in it, and if you are liable under state laws for complaints filed with the State's Attorney against you. Know why I know that specifically? Because I made some calls. Nico is absolutely wrong. PLEASE, check for yourself. Don't listen to EITHER of us. Just make a few calls, it's FREE.

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This is about several things. First and foremost for ME, it is about the entire business of camming. Which can be provably shown to have majorly decreased since the onset of free shows which get thousands of CUSTOMERS off for free and allow them to NOT PAY.

I don't see how this is so hard. If you worked at an Electronic Store that paid by commission, and sold electronics...and one of your co-workers started breaking the rules and giving away electronics for free to all the customers as they came in, and your commissions suddenly got MUCH harder to earn, would you think that the person giving stuff away for free was a "a good hustler" or would you be pissed?

Ok, now, what if you go get a job and the STORE makes you sign shit saying you will never give stuff away and will be fired if you do. And they allow several other employees to give shit away. So you quit and go work at the Streamate Electronic Store, and they say well we have to start letting employees give shit away too, because the MFC Electronics does it.

When does it become clear that the writing is on the wall, that they are cheating and that they should be held to their own rules...Legally?

Since when is it ever good for a business and all those who work in it, to give the customers the best products for FREE?

That is insane. If you like camming, you owe it to yourself to save it, and make this stuff "Giving the best product away for FREE" stop.

It's that easy. All the other reasons...Kid's seeing you...being competitive....opening yourself to arrest...just the unfairness of putting it all the models...making you sign a contract and then break your word to compete...

ALL of those are valid reasons for this fight, but they aren't the most important one.

That is that camming is dying right in front of your eyes, money has gone down across the board and most women are complaining it is MUCH harder to make money this year, than last...and the RECESSION was worse last year, so why isn;t it getting better??? Because girls are giving away the best product we have, the orgasm show that allows EVERY guy in the room to get off....FOR FREE.

It's simple business and math.

B

Bambalina
07-26-2011, 03:20 PM
Also, here is the tect of the petition itself:

MyFreeCams.com has rules they ask and expect every model to agree to in their contract, they also ask in return that we give them rights to content and various other things. We sign these contracts in good faith, and then MyFreeCams has set up an atmosphere in which there is no real moderation, no regulation, no enforcement, and worst of all no punishments or consequence for the most grievous and egregious breaking of these rules with Masturbation and insertion shows, Girl/Girl Shows, and many other even more graphic examples.

This has several implications.

1. Since MFC does not enforce these rules, girls are then forced to break these rules in order to compete. Thus they are forced to breach a signed contract or be at an extreme disadvantage to the girls who ARE willing to break the rules.


2. Since MFC can arbitrarily decide to enforce these rules and charge fines which remove INCOME from the women, the models are in constant danger of the day MFC decides to have a week of moderation to look good (which has happened, and always seems to affect lower earning models).


3. The shows being done in the Free Area are patently offensive and illegal to do in a place where minors can EASILY access. There is no system in place (not even a disclaimer) to stop minors from seeing this stuff. Yet we believe MFC knows this and doesn't care, because they are fully of the belief that if a law enforcement action takes place, that it will be the MODEL who is held responsible. So we want this petition to show that people are aware that MFC does not ENFORCE their rules, so IS responsible for what goes on in its site.

4. Lastly, by allowing shows which are patently beyond the scope of a free "teaser" for customers, that allow the customer a full experience for free, and do not encourage tipping or purchase of private and group shows, the models at ALL sites are left with a business that is much diminished by MFC not following their own stated rules.The entire Webcam business is diminished and the open sexual shows in free areas give all webcam girls a BAD name.

Make MFC Follow Their OWN rules and comply with the LAW. It's the Right Thing To Do!

So, if you want to argue, use that for a reference.

B

Sam38g
07-26-2011, 05:51 PM
Porn is NOT recession proof.
Over 1/2 the adult companies have gone out of business. The other 1/2 have cut down on production and fired many of the behind the scenes people. Every single porn company has felt it's effect.

Many affiliates who do promote cam sites also have seen those sales disappear over the past 2 years.

Sam

Niko-n-Justine
07-26-2011, 05:58 PM
No, no, no Bam Bam. Don't spin legal rulings too. The United States v. Extreme Associates was about the physical transportation (via U.S. mail) of a specific type of pornographic material (simulated rape) which is illegal in most states. It was NOT about the internet distribution of generic and legal porn to MINORS.

Internet transmission of porn is NOT regulated. It's not, and there is not court ruling that has shown that it is.

Once again, I will repeat myself for the hard of hearing (no names of course).... THE SUPREME COURT HAS PLACED THE BURDEN OF THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN FROM PORNOGRAPHY ON LAZY ASS PARENTS WHO ARE TOO DAMN CHEAP TO SPEND A FEW DOLLARS A MONTH TO FILTER THEIR CHILDREN'S INTERNET ACCESS OR AT LEAST TAKE THE DAMN TIME TO BE A GOOD PARENT AND MONITOR THEIR ACCESS.

Spin spin spin away, there is no ruling concerning cam girls, because it's NOT illegal, nor is ANY girl required to be part of an age verification process. The only way it could be illegal as the law is written right now if it involves simulated or real rape, underage sex, and a few other examples.

Trying your scare tactics to increase your earnings of the commissions you make on these girls doesn't work--the vast majority of the girls on this site are far more intelligent than your spin.

Sam38g
07-26-2011, 05:58 PM
Bambilina All you do is rant & rave about the very companies you work for.
So STOP putting money in their pockets. Stop working for them.

if you can brag about starting your own cam site and buy traffic for it. Then be independent and buy all that traffic just for youself. Then all your problems and worries will go away, because you will have no one to worry about at all.

Clearly you hate the camming industry, so get out.

Ladies, she just wants you to quit camming. Trying to get you so unsettled with the competition she is about to be up against if she ever gets hers going.

She is never positive.
She is never happy.
Why would any of you want to work for her?

Sam

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 06:12 PM
No, no, no Bam Bam. Don't spin legal rulings too. The United States v. Extreme Associates was about the physical transportation (via U.S. mail) of a specific type of pornographic material (simulated rape) which is illegal in most states. It was NOT about the distribution of generic and legal porn to MINORS.

Internet transmission of porn is NOT regulated. It's not, and there is not court ruling that has shown that it is.

Once again, I will repeat myself for the hard of hearing (no names of course).... THE SUPREME COURT HAS PLACED THE BURDEN OF THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN FROM PORNOGRAPHY ON LAZY ASS PARENTS WHO ARE TOO DAMN CHEAP TO SPEND A FEW DOLLARS A MONTH TO FILTER THEIR CHILDREN'S INTERNET ACCESS OR AT LEAST TAKE THE DAMN TIME TO BE A GOOD PARENT AND MONITOR THEIR ACCESS.

Spin spin spin away, there is no ruling concerning cam girls, because it's NOT illegal, nor is ANY girl required to be part of an age verification process. The only way it could be illegal as the law is written right now if it involves simulated or real rape, underage sex, and a few other examples.

Trying your scare tactics to increase your earnings of the commissions you make on these girls doesn't work--the vast majority of the girls on this site are far more intelligent than your spin.

Will quote Bambalina here: "Have fun N-n-J, and I will check in every once in a while to see the $100,000 server you own, with pictures, specs, and where it sells for $100,000, as well as your explanation about why a start-up camsite cannot start with PAID HOSTING...Until then...Ignored."

I don't know about anyone else, but Bambalina doesn't make any commission off of me. If you can argue with simple economics- then by all means. But you can't. It's not about anything else. Simple. Fucking. Economics.


Bambilina All you do is rant & rave about the very companies you work for.
So STOP putting money in their pockets. Stop working for them.

if you can brag about starting your own cam site and buy traffic for it. Then be independent and buy all that traffic just for youself. Then all your problems and worries will go away, because you will have no one to worry about at all.

Clearly you hate the camming industry, so get out.

Ladies, she just wants you to quit camming. Trying to get you so unsettled with the competition she is about to be up against if she ever gets hers going.

She is never positive.
She is never happy.
Why would any of you want to work for her?

Sam

Seems to me like she is just trying to open your eyes. Obviously she is an intelligent woman, or she would not be able to debunk everything you've said so far... If Bambalina turns out to be an honest employer, that makes shit work, I would be more than happy to work for her, -or anyone else for that matter- if they held such qualities.

There is nothing wrong with someone making you think and try to give you some insight to how shitty things are becoming. You Sam, of all people, should know that things are shitty beings you've been in this industry for quite some time.

Niko-n-Justine
07-26-2011, 06:29 PM
Ok, I am here in a limited fashion, because I finally realized that to just ignore Nico-n-Justine would be a better option for me.


You are free to ignore me, but every time you attempt scare tactics to try and attempt to defraud women out of their money, I'm gonna be right here to let them know the truth. Sorry.



Whoever else feels like it can argue with the drama producing and lying N-n-J...And I can answer people who aren't working for MFC and attacking me without reason. Have fun N-n-J, and I will check in every once in a while to see the $100,000 server you own, with pictures, specs, and where it sells for $100,000, as well as your explanation about why a start-up camsite cannot start with PAID HOSTING...Until then...Ignored.


So now I work for MFC? LMAO--you never cease to amaze me.

Oh yeah, and when I get back to my shop in the morning, I'll take a snap shot of the server, and give you the specs as well just for shits and giggles. I know already though, I can hear your response already, "she faked the pics". You're way too predictable.


And yes a cam site can start with "paid hosting" and I never even discussed that option with you before you just said that, so spin spin spin away. Any girl here can go read what I wrote. And you keep calling me the liar? hmmmmm

And since we want to talk about "paid hosting" it's still way more than you can afford with your big master plan of "100 girls giving $100". It's just not enough money.

The amount of bandwidth it takes to support thousands of customers and hundreds of cam girls (just to start of course) is astronomical.

Girls, just think about it. You know how sometimes your video comes across as choppy? What's you upload speed? Generally 1 to 2 mbps? Now multiply that times even a measly 1000 customer downloading your stream from the server. To get really good standard definition 480i video, you need about a 2 mbps upload speed. So that means you need about a 2 gbps (yes that's GIGA bit) upload speed.

An OC3 connection which is only 155 mbps, about a 8% of what you need for 1000 customers downloading uncompressed video, starts at around an average of $20,000 per MONTH depending on the service provider and your location.

So what happens when 1000 customers fight over enough bandwidth to support only 8% of the customers? They log off... why? Because choppy low grade video with frequent pauses and lock ups is not what men pay for.
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The last thing I will say in the argument is this, and it's to all the women who might think N-n-J have a point...

If you live in a state which makes selling/transferring/providing porn to minors illegal (pretty much EVERY state has a law that will cover this, which is why adult bookstores in every state require you to be ADULT), and you do shows which are considered pornographic in a place that is known to not be protected against minors, then you are liable for prosecution.

If you are unsure of whether I am telling the truth, Google "Adult Entertainment Attorney" and most have a free phone consultation. Ask a FEW attorneys about doing Free Porn shows in a unprotected web space that is known to have minors in it, and if you are liable under state laws for complaints filed with the State's Attorney against you. Know why I know that specifically? Because I made some calls. Nico is absolutely wrong. PLEASE, check for yourself. Don't listen to EITHER of us. Just make a few calls, it's FREE.


Once again, it has been ruled on over and over again... preventing INTERNET porn from reaching children is the responsibility of the parent... Cheap cheap cheap software blocks sites such as the "evil" MFC from reaching children, and for those who can't afford a few dollars a month there is a free option... regulate their internet usage yourself and be a responsible parent!

That's the official stance that has been upheld by the courts... Bam Bam can spin it however she wants, but the truth remains the same. She knows it too, but she just hopes you are scared enough that you will join her crusade and send her $100 so she can buy a cool new desktop PC, ummm, I meant "server" (wink wink) to host you guys on a site that is the same as 99% of the other cam sites.

She's on a crusade, so send her your money today! Sure, it's a wasted investment, but hey, who cares right? She can defy the laws of physics and computer science by making a T1 stream a gigabit of data.

And for the record, if she can do that, I'll send her $100 too! I put my money where my mouth is!

Niko-n-Justine
07-26-2011, 06:54 PM
Will quote Bambalina here: "Have fun N-n-J, and I will check in every once in a while to see the $100,000 server you own, with pictures, specs, and where it sells for $100,000, as well as your explanation about why a start-up camsite cannot start with PAID HOSTING...Until then...Ignored."

I don't know about anyone else, but Bambalina doesn't make any commission off of me. If you can argue with simple economics- then by all means. But you can't. It's not about anything else. Simple. Fucking. Economics.

I ALWAYS SAID IT WAS ABOUT ECONOMICS! THAT'S MY POINT!

It's Bam Bam who is claiming that she's in it for the moral reasons... not me!

She's telling girls on here that they can be prosecuted for breaking the law--her words, not mine.

You are absolutely, positively right.. it's all about economics. It's about girls doing things that she doesn't like because she makes less money because of it.

So she just needs to step up to the plate and be honest--she doesn't care about the morals, she cares about the money!

A perfect example is this website! Bambalina posts here on STRIPPER WEB about adult content not meant for the virgin ears of children! SW does NOT have an age verification before allowing MINORS to view the site. OMG! WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE PROSECUTED! (rolls eyes)

Do you know why the webmasters at Stripperweb haven't shut up shop and ran for the Mexican border? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO INSTILL AGE VERIFICATION.... IT'S NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.

BlankStare
07-26-2011, 07:38 PM
I ALWAYS SAID IT WAS ABOUT ECONOMICS! THAT'S MY POINT!

It's Bam Bam who is claiming that she's in it for the moral reasons... not me!

She's telling girls on here that they can be prosecuted for breaking the law--her words, not mine.

You are absolutely, positively right.. it's all about economics. It's about girls doing things that she doesn't like because she makes less money because of it.

So she just needs to step up to the plate and be honest--she doesn't care about the morals, she cares about the money!

A perfect example is this website! Bambalina posts here on STRIPPER WEB about adult content not meant for the virgin ears of children! SW does NOT have an age verification before allowing MINORS to view the site. OMG! WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE PROSECUTED! (rolls eyes)

Do you know why the webmasters at Stripperweb haven't shut up shop and ran for the Mexican border? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO INSTILL AGE VERIFICATION.... IT'S NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT.

No, you are wrong. Bambalina has been trying to break down the simple economics of it, pretty much this whole time.. along with the morality of the camgirls and site owners. There is nothing moral about putting your own industry, that makes you lots of money, pretty much out of business or bringing the value of the industry down.

And we ALL care about the money. But I am highly doubtful that her main and only motive is to be greedy.

Oh, and just for the record... if the law wants to; they can do whatever the fuck they want.. and that includes enforcing any federal or state laws.. and even making one up. We have no 'rights'. Our rights are privileges... rights cannot be taken away when someone doesn't agree- and that is exactly what the government does.

Bambalina
07-26-2011, 11:18 PM
Blank: Why read N-n-J...trust me, it's WAY nicer to not read what he/she/it says. Just answer the people who actually post something with CONTENT, instead of attacks and nastiness.

One thing N-n-J is right about. The MONEY far outstrips the MORALS in this. The problem is, it is not MY money, but the collective money of camming. And that is something N-n-J obviously don't understand. That one can help themselves AND others at the same time. One can worry about putting food on the table, and in their child's mouth, AND be Morally responsible. Obviously, a "person" like N-n-J who believes it is GOOD to do pornographic shows for minors, who ignores a specific section in the NY state law that says it is illegal to do DIGITAL shows for minors, etc...Has SEVERE problems.

The argument of N-n-J is one where if I were to fight for the Economy of the USA, I am greedy, because if I fix the economy, I make more money...It's ridiculous slander, and N-n-J are very likely paid very well by MFC to do just that, to defame and destroy and subvert and attack anyone who does anything to poke at the sides of the behemoth MFC. If you don;t see the concerted effort to defame me, attack me, and do whatever is necessary to make me stop and go away, then you need to open your eyes.

Let me ask this...Would a normal regular everyday camgirl who is working her ass off and really ambitious and stuff like "She" says "she" is...who DOESN'T do full cum shows...who belives in free speech and the rights of others to express themselves (except Bambalina of course)...Would that person actually spend this much time here and do this much watchdogging and attacking and following this thread like a hawk?

I've had huge arguments with CamWhore and Malaya, and they are WILD arguers, but they are Not EVEN CLOSE to this person, because this person is a paid shill. This thread is a discussion on EVERY camgirl's forum out there. It is a BIG deal, and MFC wants it squashed.

Well, I got news, I have two replies from Media thusfar and this may actually hit TV within a short time.

And BOTH have already said if they go ahead with the story they will guarantee to keep all models anonymous, unless they request otherwise. They are going to want to interview models...Still not thinking they will come through on the projects, but we'll see, they thought the story idea was interesting enough to reply to.

B

PS. Did it post the server pics yet? Make sure to let me know...Oh and for everyone out there, go and re-read the post where N-n-J says you must have $1MILLION to start a Camsite, and then dodges where I point out many instances that is false. Also, notice exactly how that post talks about starting a cam site. I betcha that whole argument will just change as times goes by....

Marleysade
07-27-2011, 12:14 AM
Im tired of arguing..BamBam Thats awesome about the media!! Lets hope they follow through..For me I do pretty ok on mfc but i just want to rebuild the standard for the men and have it sink in theyrenheads that thry should pay for extra stuff!

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 01:39 AM
N-n-J: but I never compromise on my expected public or private rate. If I say 4000 tokens, I mean 4000 tokens every time,

N-n-J doesn't DO public shows. So what do they get for 4000 tokens? Hmmmm?

Don't bother answering liar, I'm ignoring you, and with good reason....

B

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 01:44 AM
Im tired of arguing..BamBam Thats awesome about the media!! Lets hope they follow through..For me I do pretty ok on mfc but i just want to rebuild the standard for the men and have it sink in theyrenheads that thry should pay for extra stuff!

That is a serious debate tactic Marley. Someone will just argue and change subjects and attack the Collective site and jump around and avoid answering everything they feel like, and won't actually provide facts but will just attack...It's a tactic.

I agree....Don't waste time with it...let's all get together and just talk about changing MFC and making the rules be fair for all...Just tell yourself...NO MORE ARGUING, no matter what the arguers say...they will go away if ignored long enough...

I'm done...I am working on the producer at 60 Minutes right now...I have the personal E-mail address of one of the heads of production, and I'm hoping to get an interview within a few days...If I do, this will all be so many farts in the wind...because if 60 minutes DOES do an expose on MFC, there will be NO MORE hardcore in public guaranteed.

Crossing my fingers...it's a longshot, but I never thought I'd get this far...

B

Marleysade
07-27-2011, 01:49 AM
Thats awesome!! Bam Bam!! YAY!! If that happens not only will we get what we want but MORE advertising for us!! Yay!! more rules and money!!lol Yay no more Fuck machine in public!! lol

Marleysade
07-27-2011, 01:51 AM
And if they need a girl to interview ill do it!! as long as they do that shadow,dark, backround with the anonamous deep voice thing!! lol

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 03:53 AM
Don't get your hopes too high...But DO cross your fingers. I have SEVERAL letters and story pitches out at the moment. We'll see.

B

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 07:01 AM
LMAO so you are still lying to people and saying that I think porn for kids is ok? I keep saying the same thing over and over and you ignore it... porn for kids is bad and lazy ass parents need to take the time to regulate their kids' internet usage, or at least spend a few bucks a month and install one of the many excellent content filtering software that's available.

You've run out of intelligent comments so now you just keep repeating the same lie... give me a break.

Lastly, why are you suddenly implying that I'm not a woman? Are you insinuating that only a man can think for himself and would DARE to defy your logic (or rather lack there of)? Truly pathetic.

Noa
07-27-2011, 07:04 AM
Well, I got news, I have two replies from Media thusfar and this may actually hit TV within a short time.

If you're going through another manic phase, fine. Drive all that energy straight into your own projects. Build momentum for your crusades among the women who support you. But don't put the rest of us at risk. You don't know what you're doing.

Some of us have dealt with the media for years, directly, and for much bigger and more important issues than some cam site's lax approach to rule enforcement.

You seriously think that's the story for them, that a website isn't enforcing its own rules in the age of free porn? That's not the story for them, Bambalina. The story is that the sweet girl-next-door is spreading her legs on the internet. They've done the story before ad nauseum and you're giving them reason to do it again. MFC's rules are just going to be a footnote, a weak justification to resurrect an old stereotype and appeal to the anti-sex-work crowd.

N-and-J is right, by the way. Ever since the Child Online Protection Act was shot down, there's no egregious law-breaking. At best, there's obscenity, and when a politician latches onto one of your news stories to ramp up for the election year, it isn't going to be about regulating cam sites. It's going to be about regulating camgirls.

Try talking to sex worker activists first with some media experience, who've done this shit before, who know which reporters to trust, and who've ridden through some ugly, puritanical, slut-shaming bullshit and seen more than a few women thrown under the bus for everyone's amusement and for Neilsen ratings. Surging forward blindly out of manic fury over some forum fight is really fucking selfish.

If the stories get traction, women will get hurt. When that happens, you'll be able to disappear again and pretend nothing ever happened. Meanwhile, the rest of us will have to scramble to protect our privacy and our livelihoods.

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 07:38 AM
Amen Noa! You are a wise woman... every word you speak is true and BamBam knows that as well as anyone. But her jealousy and envy is clouding her judgement as usual. Money isn't the root of all evil, envy is. Through any means, no matter who gets hurt in the process, she's gonna steam roll anyone it takes to get her money. Truly sad and pathetic.

Fridays
07-27-2011, 08:14 AM
Quick question for Bamb.
So from the time MFC gets on that TV show , get shut down, suspended, whatever ( doesn't exit for lets say 1 month till things are straightened up).... and untill the time it goes back up....
WILL YOU GIVE ME THE $$ IM GOING TO MISS from MFC because MFC is not up and running?
Me and all the other girls who work on MFC and would sign the petition....
ops... what about that?
As much as I wanted to agree with you, as much as I hate to have to give free shows, it is not right to have someone else fuck with my money.......
At least if I dont make any, I blame it on me....
With this petition, I would blame it on you...

BlankStare
07-27-2011, 09:22 AM
^^ for some reason you think that if MFC shuts down that all the customers will disappear and never want to jerk off to a live girl again? You're wrong. They will just go elsewhere.

Noa
07-27-2011, 09:31 AM
So will the journalists and the politicians. It won't be about MFC. It will be about camming.

BlankStare
07-27-2011, 09:33 AM
If you're going through another manic phase, fine. Drive all that energy straight into your own projects. Build momentum for your crusades among the women who support you. But don't put the rest of us at risk. You don't know what you're doing.

Some of us have dealt with the media for years, directly, and for much bigger and more important issues than some cam site's lax approach to rule enforcement.

You seriously think that's the story for them, that a website isn't enforcing its own rules in the age of free porn? That's not the story for them, Bambalina. The story is that the sweet girl-next-door is spreading her legs on the internet. They've done the story before ad nauseum and you're giving them reason to do it again. MFC's rules are just going to be a footnote, a weak justification to resurrect an old stereotype and appeal to the anti-sex-work crowd.

N-and-J is right, by the way. Ever since the Child Online Protection Act was shot down, there's no egregious law-breaking. At best, there's obscenity, and when a politician latches onto one of your news stories to ramp up for the election year, it isn't going to be about regulating cam sites. It's going to be about regulating camgirls.

Try talking to sex worker activists first with some media experience, who've done this shit before, who know which reporters to trust, and who've ridden through some ugly, puritanical, slut-shaming bullshit and seen more than a few women thrown under the bus for everyone's amusement and for Neilsen ratings. Surging forward blindly out of manic fury over some forum fight is really fucking selfish.

If the stories get traction, women will get hurt. When that happens, you'll be able to disappear again and pretend nothing ever happened. Meanwhile, the rest of us will have to scramble to protect our privacy and our livelihoods.

You know what? Camming may possibly need to be regulated. The laws haven't caught up with the internet, yet. If anything else, they DO have a story on how these assholes allowing 'studios' from other countries to enslave women as sex workers.

If you decided to work in this industry, then you should have known there is a high possibility of someone you don't want to know, finding out what you do for a living. I'm sorry, but that is just the way it is. Nothing is sacred on the internet. You are fooling yourself.

As I stated before, if the government wants to prosecute each and every cam girl according to their local obscenity laws- they can. They can do whatever they want.. there are SO many loopholes in our judicial system- that they could indeed find a charge if they wanted to. Never underestimate the power that your government has over your entire life.

MzStar
07-27-2011, 09:42 AM
what yall dont know is MFC almost got shut down already......
They had hella underaged girls from Asia working.....
Thats why the asian page has changed sooooooo much.

BlankStare
07-27-2011, 09:45 AM
Amen Noa! You are a wise woman... every word you speak is true and BamBam knows that as well as anyone. But her jealousy and envy is clouding her judgement as usual. Money isn't the root of all evil, envy is. Through any means, no matter who gets hurt in the process, she's gonna steam roll anyone it takes to get her money. Truly sad and pathetic.


I'm sorry, but you are getting things all wrong and all kinds of twisted. Why would someone bad-mouth another company before they even have one of their own? Where would she profit from this? Jealous of WHAT exactly? Your argument isn't making much sense to me.


Ah, and the love of money is most certainly the root to all evil. And you know what is worth even more than money? Secrets.

Noa
07-27-2011, 09:49 AM
If you decided to work in this industry, then you should have known there is a high possibility of someone you don't want to know, finding out what you do for a living. I'm sorry, but that is just the way it is. Nothing is sacred on the internet. You are fooling yourself.

I'm sure that argument was made to the porn performers who found themselves outed on Porn Wikileaks. The issue is that by going to the media, you run the risk of taking away what little power we have and annihilating our income in the process.

I totally get that this is a real issue for some people. And there are ways of fighting the system. But running half-cocked to the media during a heated political period is not the way to do it.

Anyway, there's not much point arguing it because this is just a difference of opinion. To me, the ends don't justify the means. I guess we'll see what happens.

kittykrane
07-27-2011, 09:51 AM
As much as I wanted to agree with you, as much as I hate to have to give free shows, it is not right to have someone else fuck with my money.......
At least if I dont make any, I blame it on me....
With this petition, I would blame it on you...

But that's just it Fridays, you don't HAVE to give free shows to make a good living doing this. You just said yourself
"as much as I hate to have to give free shows". What do you hate about it? I'm just trying to understand, that's all. If I hated doing something, I wouldn't do it.

BlankStare
07-27-2011, 09:53 AM
I totally get that this is a real issue for some people. And there are ways of fighting the system. But running half-cocked to the media during a heated political period is not the way to do it.

Anyway, there's not much point arguing it because this is just a difference of opinion. I guess we'll see what happens.

I agree that going to the media during political season is not a good thing. 100%. Hopefully, and I have faith that Bambalina thinks out things well before she does them, she WILL find the correct outlet and reporters to take her story.