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ashiepants
07-27-2011, 11:43 AM
Quick question for Bamb.
So from the time MFC gets on that TV show , get shut down, suspended, whatever ( doesn't exit for lets say 1 month till things are straightened up).... and untill the time it goes back up....
WILL YOU GIVE ME THE $$ IM GOING TO MISS from MFC because MFC is not up and running?
Me and all the other girls who work on MFC and would sign the petition....
ops... what about that?
As much as I wanted to agree with you, as much as I hate to have to give free shows, it is not right to have someone else fuck with my money.......
At least if I dont make any, I blame it on me....
With this petition, I would blame it on you...

yeah I gotta say, reading all of this drama going on...I'm starting to get worried for my livelihood. If MFC gets shut down, it would destroy my life - no joke. its the best thing thats ever happened to my camming career and if I lost it...I honestly don't know where I'd be. I've done virtually every camsite out there, MFC is the one that works for me. I rarely even do hardcore shows on there, so I'm not even one of the ones who's really rule breaking...but still I run the risk of being fucked over anyways?

Yes what they're doing is sketchy, yes they're allowing things that they shouldn't....but its THEIR site and they're running it how they see fit. We give advice to girls all the time on here: "if your site isn't working for you, move on to another site".....yet when it comes to MFC, it doesn't apply. People want to change it - when its not your site to change. Make your own site and make it the best it can be...the industry is evolving constantly and MFC sure has changed how things are done...but really IMO, all they need to implement is an age verification splash page, and then they're good to go. Otherwise, you may as well start contacting the media about the hundreds of tube sites, free porn sites, etc because they ALL broadcast hardcore shit.

Anyways, I just woke up so I'm rambling but yeah....starting to get a bit worried. :-\

kballar
07-27-2011, 12:00 PM
IMO this is getting too messy and it bothers me that people are having to worry about the demise of their livelihoods. i could give a rats ass about MFC or any of the other sites. For me the issue is extremely simple. What we ALL get paid to provide just should NOT be given away for free. Period. Its unfair to ALL competitors. If guys dont want to pay for a show... They should croak from blue balls instead of getting a show and orgasm because some OTHER guy paid you. I wish that this would be resolved or whatever in a way where all ALL camgirls could benefit and not live in fear of their incomes being diminished. SO Im asking all that are apart of this debate to STOP trying to out argue each other and be "right". Can we all take a minute and see if compromise and solutions can be reached? The analogy Bamb used was a good one... When we all work in a commissioned position and there are those giving away the product we all sell it DOES give an unfair advantage over those that dont. Anyways, No ONE has to be right and screw MFC. We just want all those free wankers to NOT get off for free! If they want a camgirl experience EACH of the should pay!

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 01:00 PM
If you're going through another manic phase, fine. Drive all that energy straight into your own projects. Build momentum for your crusades among the women who support you. But don't put the rest of us at risk. You don't know what you're doing.

Some of us have dealt with the media for years, directly, and for much bigger and more important issues than some cam site's lax approach to rule enforcement.

You seriously think that's the story for them, that a website isn't enforcing its own rules in the age of free porn? That's not the story for them, Bambalina. The story is that the sweet girl-next-door is spreading her legs on the internet. They've done the story before ad nauseum and you're giving them reason to do it again. MFC's rules are just going to be a footnote, a weak justification to resurrect an old stereotype and appeal to the anti-sex-work crowd.

N-and-J is right, by the way. Ever since the Child Online Protection Act was shot down, there's no egregious law-breaking. At best, there's obscenity, and when a politician latches onto one of your news stories to ramp up for the election year, it isn't going to be about regulating cam sites. It's going to be about regulating camgirls.

Try talking to sex worker activists first with some media experience, who've done this shit before, who know which reporters to trust, and who've ridden through some ugly, puritanical, slut-shaming bullshit and seen more than a few women thrown under the bus for everyone's amusement and for Neilsen ratings. Surging forward blindly out of manic fury over some forum fight is really fucking selfish.

If the stories get traction, women will get hurt. When that happens, you'll be able to disappear again and pretend nothing ever happened. Meanwhile, the rest of us will have to scramble to protect our privacy and our livelihoods.

Absolute BULLSHIT.

The story they want to follow most is the "Minors being able to view because no credit card or registration is even required" and secondly the "third world trafficking of minors" angle. PERIOD....I am a fucking promoter and have worked with Media my WHOLE adult life. I have worked with these people before and that is WHY they are listening to me.

So ring alarm bells all you want. YOU also cannot show me ONE national, or large market news story where they "Outed" camgirls...NOT ONE, because it is a FAIRYTALE.

If anything they will panit camgirls as poor victims (as the media tends to do) and Leo as an evil MONSTER, which would be kinda fun...Hope we have video of them knocking on his Glenview house door.

So, I DO know what I am doing, do not need to be called manic by YOU, who don;t know me, and have a right to speech and expression, according to N-n-J...We all do...even me...right?

B

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 01:19 PM
Quick question for Bamb.
So from the time MFC gets on that TV show , get shut down, suspended, whatever ( doesn't exit for lets say 1 month till things are straightened up).... and untill the time it goes back up....
WILL YOU GIVE ME THE $$ IM GOING TO MISS from MFC because MFC is not up and running?
Me and all the other girls who work on MFC and would sign the petition....
ops... what about that?
As much as I wanted to agree with you, as much as I hate to have to give free shows, it is not right to have someone else fuck with my money.......
At least if I dont make any, I blame it on me....
With this petition, I would blame it on you...

Listen, there is a disconnect here. The first problem is that people pay ANY attention whatsoever to a pot stirring trouble-maker like N-n-J. There have been stories on the adult industry many many times and unless something patently illegal is going on, no-one gets SHUT DOWN. MFC will NOT be shut down, because the MEDIA has no right to SHUT ANYONE DOWN.

So, contrary to what N-n-J say, I am risking my entire business and ALL my money, to help cam models. She/He/It can say whatever it wants to, but in reality, you cannot but admit, that if I am wrong, and I got MFC shut down, I would never be able to show my face in this place (or probably camming) again. Period. So I am willing to risk my livelihood and life for this.

So, If the media does a seriously unfavorable story that goes wild on MFC, it is NOT legal for them to recklessly endanger the lives of those who rely on anonymity for safety, so NO cam girls will be outed. That would be reckless endangerment, it is a law in all 50 states...But what would happen?

Well they would expose that MFC uses studios which have trafficked women, and minors working for them. And MFC would immediately have to put a stop to that. Since it would be exposed for all the world to see.

They would also show how easy it is for a minor to be exposed to fully hardcore shows on MFC. Because regardless of what N-n-J say, it ISN'T a parental responsibility issue, because we all know most parents are irresponsible tragic losers who leave their latchkey kids home for hours alone with the internet, and the REALITY is that those kids are on fucking MFC and YOU are performing for them...Are you willing to take responsibility for that? Do you do a show you wouldn't mind if your CHILD saw? You can argue the sterile legal side of this like N-n-J constantly try to do, which leaves her/him/it looking like it APPROVES of kids seeing these shows, or you can argue reality, which is that kids are there and we ALL k now it, because if one never outed themselves to YOU, they have to PLENTY of girls on there who have even reported it HERE.

So, if TV shows how minors are watching MFC, then MFC would be forced to add a disclaimer page, and clean up the free chat area to follow the basic rules they created. PERIOD.

No shut down, unless of course they resist and bring the LAW into it. In which case, they are idiots (which they are already chancing on a daily basis, and THAT is not my fault) and that would not be my fault.

But these are what the media is interested in, although 60 Minutes seems to take some interest in the SM paying 35%, MFC rules forcing sex shows in public= Bad treatment of women aspect.

ALL of these are GOOD for US.

B

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 01:28 PM
I'm sure that argument was made to the porn performers who found themselves outed on Porn Wikileaks. The issue is that by going to the media, you run the risk of taking away what little power we have and annihilating our income in the process.

I totally get that this is a real issue for some people. And there are ways of fighting the system. But running half-cocked to the media during a heated political period is not the way to do it.

Anyway, there's not much point arguing it because this is just a difference of opinion. To me, the ends don't justify the means. I guess we'll see what happens.

Noa, not that you care, but one more blatantly stupid post like this, and you go in my ignore bin too.

How the FUCK is Porn Wikileaks, which is a site owned by ONE guy who is a known hater of the porn industry and ex-porn guy who went nuts, how doe THAT relate to media outing people?

You and N-n-J can TALK about people being outed by media, but you have yet to shows once where the news did a story about stripping, and outed strippers, or escorts, and outed escorts, or camgirls, or porn starlets, or anyone else in adult...if you can't show where even the fucking ENQUIRER has never outed adult entertainers, then quit saying it happened and acting as if it is common. It is NOT, and if it EVER happened, I would be surprised, but THAT would still be the EXCEPTION and NOT the rule.

SHOW US ONCE WHERE CREDIBLE MEDIA MASS OUTED ADULT ENTERTAINERS!!

or stop talking about it....

Seriously, you and I disagree, but I've never held any rancor or dislike for you...but the last day you seem to be very erratic and less logical and more like Bush and Company after 9/11, screaming scary shit to get people to be scared and listen to you...AT least make arguments that make sense and are worthy of rebuttal and reply on an adult level...

Sheesh...

B

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 01:48 PM
But that's just it Fridays, you don't HAVE to give free shows to make a good living doing this. You just said yourself
"as much as I hate to have to give free shows". What do you hate about it? I'm just trying to understand, that's all. If I hated doing something, I wouldn't do it.

This is the one aspect of this that pisses me off.

You know, the opposite of what N-n-J say...as has been pointed out there is nothing for me to be jealous OF, and there is no envy for a company that traffics women, and the Money...well I am risking everything here, right? I'm like the stupid fuck who chains themself to the courthouse doors, and takes the arrest...If I am wrong and anyone truly gets hurt, I have no reputation left...right?

So...let me say this once. Take fucking responsibility for your damn actions ladies.

I love some of you and others are pretty good friends, and still others I hope to have as friends. Very few of you I actually dislike.

But I'm sorry.

1. You CHOOSE to work for a place that knowingly works with studios who traffic in women, and doesn't screen for it and has underage girls working on the Asian side (still, they just made sure it couldn't be PROVEN)...

2. You CHOOSE to work for a site that doesn't voluntarily put up a disclaimer page for minors, and allows things which are defined by US law as obscene to happen in FREE CHAT where minors and even small children can go. And if you perform Orgasm/Insertion/Masturbation/Girl-Girl shows you are KNOWINGLY CHOOSING to do so even though you KNOW minors can very well be present.

3. You CHOOSE to ignore that you signed a contract and that contract stated that a certain environment would exist in FREE CHAT, and that environment is NOT enforced and it is BAD FOR CAMMING, Unfair to those who DO follow the rules, and just BAD BUSINESS.

Those three things are true of MFC. Doesn't matter if there is a Federal Law or not...does it? You know they (minors) are there, and you allow this site you work for to BE that, and you keep supporting it and working there.

So, this isn't about you...I understand that you need to make a living, and I sympathize. But you do not need to be a party to the destruction of camming, and at the same time being doing shows for minors. At the very least you can join the push to make MFC cleaner and more legal. At best you can completely stop breaking the rules and maybe MFC mail those who do and ask them to stop as well. There are a million things you could do to help.

And all of them make camming better for ALL women who do it.

So, if the media DOES shut MFC down, which I believe with all my heart, and fully am willing to put my reputation on the line for, WON'T happen...

But if it did, well, you CHOSE to work for scumbags who enslave women and put minors on cam and don;t follow the societal morals enough to even give lip service to keeping minors from seeing women fuck themselves with cucumbers and shit. Sorry, in that case I do say...You made your bed...

This is your chance to FIX it instead of letting anyone else clean up your house for you. Women in camming can clean it up RIGHT NOW. Or, without my help, the media are going to come in and do it.

In fact, one of the replies I got already said they are not interested because they are already working on a story about the "camming industry"...so even if I shut up right now, the clock IS ticking. They have actually already noticed us. In fact they are probably reading THIS right NOW.

B

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 01:57 PM
So...still ignoring...has that $100,000 server been posted yet? No one has said it has, so I'm gonna assume it hasn't...Still photoshopping...er...taking the pics N-n-J???

Also how about that cool MILLION just to start a cam site? I have a PM in with ChatGF to check if he had a MILLION when he started his.

pfft...

B

PS. Ignoring is fun...I see snippets of crap in replies, and I am not regretting it...if any of you people even pay a skootch of attention to anything said by N-n-J, you will just be wasting precious grains of sand from the hourglass of your life...

$100,000 server please? And specs, and a real explanation of WHY a $$Million$$...When I can show how it will be Under $3000 to be Up and running and $750 a month from there, which gives almost a year of uptime even if we make NO money. So...waiting...(oh and that wasn;t an attempt by N-n-J to derail this thread...to attack the Collective which has nothing to do with this.)

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 02:14 PM
I love the way you promise to ignore me then keep talking to me.. you love me don't you? Okay i happen to be at the shop.... give two minutes to write out s sign to tape to it ... be right back.

Marleysade
07-27-2011, 02:19 PM
yeah I gotta say, reading all of this drama going on...I'm starting to get worried for my livelihood. If MFC gets shut down, it would destroy my life - no joke. its the best thing thats ever happened to my camming career and if I lost it...I honestly don't know where I'd be. I've done virtually every camsite out there, MFC is the one that works for me. I rarely even do hardcore shows on there, so I'm not even one of the ones who's really rule breaking...but still I run the risk of being fucked over anyways?

Yes what they're doing is sketchy, yes they're allowing things that they shouldn't....but its THEIR site and they're running it how they see fit. We give advice to girls all the time on here: "if your site isn't working for you, move on to another site".....yet when it comes to MFC, it doesn't apply. People want to change it - when its not your site to change. Make your own site and make it the best it can be...the industry is evolving constantly and MFC sure has changed how things are done...but really IMO, all they need to implement is an age verification splash page, and then they're good to go. Otherwise, you may as well start contacting the media about the hundreds of tube sites, free porn sites, etc because they ALL broadcast hardcore shit.

Anyways, I just woke up so I'm rambling but yeah....starting to get a bit worried. :-\

you should blame MFC!! for not following the rules!!! At lets bam bam is doing somethin about it!

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 02:19 PM
Here ya go... give me bit to get back to my laptop and i'll post the specs of ny servers.. too much to type on my little android keyboard.

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 02:50 PM
I agree that going to the media during political season is not a good thing. 100%. Hopefully, and I have faith that Bambalina thinks out things well before she does them, she WILL find the correct outlet and reporters to take her story.

I will only take it to people I have worked with before, or the outlets I know respect our privacy....Promise. Cross my heart.

And it is VERY unlikely anything will come of it in the near future anyway...

We'll see.

B

Noa
07-27-2011, 03:02 PM
Bambalina, you interpret every criticism of your logic as an attack, reducing every thread to unnecessary drama. You have a very me-vs.-them mentality, which is why anyone who disagrees with your thinking becomes the enemy. You bully. You misinterpret. You dismiss our opinions and experience, which is condescending. You throw insults. You accuse us of colluding with MFC (the enemy in your mind) when it's very clear that we have the same issues other do, we just don't agree with the approach. Yes, you're manic. I'm not the erratic one here.

I've said all I'm going to say about the media in those two posts. If you're oblivious to the history of sex work and the media then you need to catch up on your homework. I'm not going to do it for you. The moment I do, you'll accuse me of...

...oh wait, you already did. You compared me to Bush. Well, that's what I get, isn't it, for disagreeing with you.

This thread is obviously an unproductive shitshow at this point. I did my best. I'm done.

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 03:07 PM
Yes what they're doing is sketchy, yes they're allowing things that they shouldn't....but its THEIR site and they're running it how they see fit. We give advice to girls all the time on here: "if your site isn't working for you, move on to another site".....yet when it comes to MFC, it doesn't apply. People want to change it - when its not your site to change. Make your own site and make it the best it can be...the industry is evolving constantly and MFC sure has changed how things are done...but really IMO, all they need to implement is an age verification splash page, and then they're good to go. Otherwise, you may as well start contacting the media about the hundreds of tube sites, free porn sites, etc because they ALL broadcast hardcore shit.



Please don't be worried. You know me...have I ever done anything to hurt a camgirl or hurt this industry? If you believe the hype posted in here it is going against everything YOU know about me.

Secondly, you work for a scketchy, mostly illegal in many ways, site that is destroying camming. I know YOU make money, but you need to look at the big picture as well. I don;t see any harm coming to you whatsoever, except maybe the Hitachi shows have to stop...that's IT.

As far as Tube Sites, those are brought up several times here, and tube sites and cam sites are two very different animals. Apples and Oranges.

Why?

Well Tube sites have already destroyed porn and get shut down quite often, and just pop up with a slightly new name and stuff....it is the equivalent of trying to kill cockroaches. On top of that, Tube sites really are one scumbag (business group) who makes it all happen. MFC is a conglomeration....it is Leo, at base, causing this. But it is ALSO you, doing a Hitachi show, even though I know for a fact your a good person and wouldn;t want a kid to see that show, and wouldn't want to hurt all the other cam models out there...and there are HUNDREDS of girls who do MUCH MUCH more and MUCH MUCH worse and MUCH MUCH more often than you. And it really will destroy camming Ash...Don't you trust me on this? I know for a fact you're smart enough to get it...Don;t let you need for money and your idea about not wanting to change your shows get in the way for just a MINUTE, and you know what I say about giving THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of guys FREE orgasms, is REALLY REALLY bad for camming. THAT is our PRODUCT. You might be able to make a living without giving men orgasms, because you built something WONDERFUL with you great group of guys...but 95% of the other camgirls out there NEED those customers who get off for free in a "Free Show"...and you know damn well how many ACTUALLY tipped to get to see that Hitachi show and how many are freeloading off them and not going to have to tip ANY girl on MFC or any other camsite, because they got to watch you do an open Hitachi show. All you have to do is make it a GROUP and you fix EVERYTHING, and your guys...the good ones...will go group for you...

That's how I see it...

Save camming...or protect my friend Ash's way of working, even though it sometimes breaks the rules.

Why not join me beautiful and help me help all the other women out there. Your voice matters.

B

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 03:19 PM
Bambalina, you interpret every criticism of your logic as an attack, reducing every thread to unnecessary drama. You have a very me-vs.-them mentality, which is why anyone who disagrees with your thinking becomes the enemy. You bully. You misinterpret. You dismiss our opinions and experience, which is condescending. You throw insults. You accuse us of colluding with MFC (the enemy in your mind) when it's very clear that we have the same issues other do, we just don't agree with the approach. Yes, you're manic. I'm not the erratic one here.

I've said all I'm going to say about the media in those two posts. If you're oblivious to the history of sex work and the media then you need to catch up on your homework. I'm not going to do it for you. The moment I do, you'll accuse me of...

...oh wait, you already did. You compared me to Bush. Well, that's what I get, isn't it, for disagreeing with you.

This thread is obviously an unproductive shitshow at this point. I did my best. I'm done.

Strange Ash disagrees with me in many ways, and is scared I will destroy her livelihood and I treat her with nothing but respect, because I FEEL respected by her. Firdays, same thing...she seems to VEHEMENTLY disagree, yet I don;t ever call her names or act rude to her, or feel attacked by her...because she shows respect and doesn't argue crap she knows is false and made up hype...

In this VERY post you dodge the actual question....Most girls here don't know the history of Media outing sex workers en masse, and I admit, if that happens, I am UNAWARE of it...So PLEEEEEASE, enlighten us with all the examples...I mean you say it like there should be fucking DOZENS of examples I missed, of Media outing sex workers EN MASSE. So show us some...shit, show us at least ONE...because when you come up with a fucking website run by some crank who has an axe to grind with the porn industry (Porn Wikileaks...ABSOLUTELY no relation to Wikileaks) that has NOTHING to do with the media, it makes you look silly.

Generally with you, I hold out hope we CAN be friends. I don't dislike you. But in this thread I feel quite disrespected by you.

So again, I await your examples, and so long as you treat me with respect and not aggression and nastiness, I will do the same for you.

As far as my attitude, I do not feel I have been rude to anyone but N-n-J who have continually attacked me in this thread. I got snippy with you in the last post because I felt you are crossing the line into rudeness.

B

PS. If ANYONE else feels I was mean or rude or combative towards them, I apologize, and please write me a PM and let me know...I am passionate about this, and if it comes off as mean, I never meant that to happen.

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 03:26 PM
I hope you saw my pic bam bam... 30 min until i get home then i'll give you the blessed specs and exact price tag.... i look forward to you revoking your doubt about my server. Who the hell am i kidding? You'll never do that!

kittykrane
07-27-2011, 03:40 PM
I'm a little lost here. I"m not quite sure what a server has to do with this thread to begin with or why a 22 year old model on MFC even owns a $100,000 one (unless she owns some other side business which I could have missed reading about or maybe it's someone elses).

BlankStare
07-27-2011, 03:46 PM
LOL oh shit... I'm sorry N-n-J but this is like, one of the worst photoshops ever, lady.

Anyone who knows anything about Photoshop knows how to pull the real from the fake:
http://i51.tinypic.com/oizkph.jpg

just by adjusting the curve slightly I got this:

http://i53.tinypic.com/okamaa.jpg

What type of paper is flat on one side and cubical on other side?

http://i55.tinypic.com/5ary50.jpg


If you give me a little bit, I'll pull the metadata from it, too if you like... but HORRIBLE photoshopping skills you've got there.

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 03:58 PM
LOL oh shit... I'm sorry N-n-J but this is like, one of the worst photoshops ever, lady.

Anyone who knows anything about Photoshop knows how to pull the real from the fake:
http://i51.tinypic.com/oizkph.jpg

just by adjusting the curve slightly I got this:

http://i53.tinypic.com/okamaa.jpg

What type of paper is flat on one side and cubical on other side?

http://i55.tinypic.com/5ary50.jpg


If you give me a little bit, I'll pull the metadata from it, too if you like... but HORRIBLE photoshopping skills you've got there.

LMAO, you are rich! That's a tear on on the page on the fucking corner from me ripping it off the note pad...

I KNEW YOU GUYS WOULD MAKE EXCUSES!

You have went from pathetic to just making yourself into a total joke now.

Honestly, if Bam Bam is gonna call it a fake too, then I'm not gonna spend the next 30 minutes hand writting the specs of the server, because it would be a pointless waste of the next 30 minutes of my life.

I know it's hard to believe, but I actually have money. I'm sorry of that offends you, but I was left a pretty nice little inheritance when my father passed away and instead of blowing it on expensive cars or jewelry, I used it to start my business and enhance my career. Don't be a jealous hater, it just makes you look really silly.

Not that I'm shocked considering this whole thread is about jealousy and envy, but I digress.

BlankStare
07-27-2011, 04:02 PM
SMH... lol... horrible... pictures speak volumes. No paper could ever look like that, my dear.... it has a complete right angle/corner on the bottom of it!! Oh, and in your original image it looks as if a piece of tape is on the yellow paper... how come it doesnt show up when the curves are adjusted? FAIL.

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 04:05 PM
Ok, thanks for the PM....Stop the presses....we have a server pic...and unless something inside it is REALLY valuable, it is a server that costs no more than $20k tops...(I can get a server that looks EXACTLY like the one in that picture...EXACTLY...for under $3k....and it would run a medium sized camsite...and be breeezing while it did it...yah...)

Wait...wanna see it?

Nice? Xeon 3.06 Ghz. 16 gigs memory, Dual redundant 1 TB Drives....and it looks like yours...so how will we KNOW if the specs you post are true?? Hmmm...

So, are you saying a Medium sized (not even Start-up) cam-site CAN'T be run on the server I just posted???

How bout this one?



Wow, this one is WAY more like yours...looks exact even...and for $5.7k I get dual Xeon 2.8 ghz 12m cache CPUs, and I get dual redudant Terabyte drives, and I get 32gigs of memory....This is a beefy fucking server...in fact many ISPs run several THOUSAND websites on one of these puppies...so would this $5.7k server do for a medium camsite???

I seriously can;t WAIT to see what you get for $100k that you say is NECESSARY to a start-up cam-site....I'll even leave you off of ignore for a while, to see what you say....

Oh and Yes, Nico, I love you...I know how important I am to you, so don;t get threatened and sad...I absolutely adore you!!

Oh yeah...and how is this: (Hybrid Plan 3) Explain why that won;t work for a camsite...explain how a 1Gbps port on a tier one backbone server is NOT enough bandwidth...especially for a start-up?? Really I am curious to know...

Here...if you're too lazy I'll post specs here:
Plan Hybrid Three:

Dual 'Nehalem' Quad Core Xeon 5520
8 x 2.26GHz + hyper-threading CPU
Burstable RAM 16 Giga
1Gbps (1000Mbit) dedicated port
Web Space: 200 Giga
Monthly Traffic: Unmetered
Dedicated IP Address: 3 (on request)
Price*: $225 monthly ( Order)
*Big discounts on Yearly payments.

Notice $225 a month??? SEE IT!? and Big Discounts on Yearly payments too!

SO, liar. Why would this NOT work?? Put your money where your mouth is.

(I'm not hosting with them specifically, and found at least 4 deals JUST as good or better, but this one works for now....want another??? (try Premium 4, upgraded to 1000mbps)or if you have a problem with Red5..The Advanced 3000 to start would work at 100mbps and as soon as money comes in we up it to the Professional 3000 at 1000mbps..

So have I shown how ridiculous you are yet for thinking you know what the hell you're talking about when my fucking husband was start-up partner in the 1st fiber ISP in Chicago and managed it for 2 years and now owns a major networking company dedicated to mobile wifi...I know EXACTLY what it costs and how to do it, and what I don't know...he does...

The Collective will work JUST fine....

Now, show me why I need $$1Million$$ to start up when others have done so for MUCH MUCH Less.

Ridiculous....pfft!

B

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 04:06 PM
I'm a little lost here. I"m not quite sure what a server has to do with this thread to begin with or why a 22 year old model on MFC even owns a $100,000 one (unless she owns some other side business which I could have missed reading about or maybe it's someone elses).

Yes I do, and no I never advertised it before. The server is for me. I don't cam for extra money or because I need to get through school (although I am in school, I just don't have to cam to pay for it).

I am camming because this is a career choice, and I intend to be in the adult industry for the rest of my life.

Although I have bigger plans down the road, at the moment, I have two employees who do website that I host on my server (although I will definitely need an upgrade at some point, it's a start for a non-video streaming server).

My little team of guys only design adult oriented websites, and that's the only type of websites we host.

It's not my long term career, but it is a piece of the bigger puzzle of what I am trying to accomplish.

My dad passed away when I was still in high school, and used my little inheritance from him to buy a house, pay for school, and to get started off in this business.

I'm a long ways off, but it's a good start, and I've still got plenty left over to invest in myself as I conquer each hill.

ashiepants
07-27-2011, 04:23 PM
Please don't be worried. You know me...have I ever done anything to hurt a camgirl or hurt this industry? If you believe the hype posted in here it is going against everything YOU know about me.

Secondly, you work for a scketchy, mostly illegal in many ways, site that is destroying camming. I know YOU make money, but you need to look at the big picture as well. I don;t see any harm coming to you whatsoever, except maybe the Hitachi shows have to stop...that's IT.

As far as Tube Sites, those are brought up several times here, and tube sites and cam sites are two very different animals. Apples and Oranges.

Why?

Well Tube sites have already destroyed porn and get shut down quite often, and just pop up with a slightly new name and stuff....it is the equivalent of trying to kill cockroaches. On top of that, Tube sites really are one scumbag (business group) who makes it all happen. MFC is a conglomeration....it is Leo, at base, causing this. But it is ALSO you, doing a Hitachi show, even though I know for a fact your a good person and wouldn;t want a kid to see that show, and wouldn't want to hurt all the other cam models out there...and there are HUNDREDS of girls who do MUCH MUCH more and MUCH MUCH worse and MUCH MUCH more often than you. And it really will destroy camming Ash...Don't you trust me on this? I know for a fact you're smart enough to get it...Don;t let you need for money and your idea about not wanting to change your shows get in the way for just a MINUTE, and you know what I say about giving THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of guys FREE orgasms, is REALLY REALLY bad for camming. THAT is our PRODUCT. You might be able to make a living without giving men orgasms, because you built something WONDERFUL with you great group of guys...but 95% of the other camgirls out there NEED those customers who get off for free in a "Free Show"...and you know damn well how many ACTUALLY tipped to get to see that Hitachi show and how many are freeloading off them and not going to have to tip ANY girl on MFC or any other camsite, because they got to watch you do an open Hitachi show. All you have to do is make it a GROUP and you fix EVERYTHING, and your guys...the good ones...will go group for you...

That's how I see it...

Save camming...or protect my friend Ash's way of working, even though it sometimes breaks the rules.

Why not join me beautiful and help me help all the other women out there. Your voice matters.

B

I totally understand what you're saying...and yes, I'm very lucky and blessed to be able to make a thousand dollars in a day without even having to flash vag because I have a great group of guys who not only respect me, but show it to me....you're right, I don't have to do hitatchi shows, and I haven't needed to go hardcore to get tokens...I don't know, maybe all the drama in this thread is getting me worried. I do understand the need to crack down on certain things, like studios trafficking underage girls, and women doing straightup depraved shit on cam...illegal behaviour etc...I do want to see all the hardcore done away with. But at the same time, I really don't have an issue with mild masturbation in free chat. Maybe I'm just thinking a middle ground would be best...clearcut regulations on what can be done and what can't...ie. no toys at ALL in freechat (saving it for pvt/group) but mild masturbation with fingers is ok...I don't know. I just like having options, and I think the girls who are against the rules changing like the same. I don't know. Thats all I'll say lol. You know I have mad mad respect for you babe, and I'm on board with you as a person and most of your ideas. I just get skurred because I'm a chick who hates change lol.

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 04:29 PM
I don't care if it is fake or not....it's NOT a $100k server....if You spent $100,000 on that server you got RIPPED. If you wanna keep adding in ridiculous amounts of shit, you need to PROVE it is really in there...because that is a normal ol' Dell server...not even that great...and my husband laughed when I showed him the pic and said "The that person doesn;t know what is necessary to run a site and bought a piece of crap (if they paid $100,000 for THAT)."

HAhahahahaha...so have fun...I'm going to Busch Gardens with my son...it was his Bday yesterday...

B

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 04:31 PM
Ok, thanks for the PM....Stop the presses....we have a server pic...and unless something inside it is REALLY valuable, it is a server that costs no more than $20k tops...(I can get a server that looks EXACTLY like the one in that picture...EXACTLY...for under $3k....and it would run a medium sized camsite...and be breeezing while it did it...yah...)

Wait...wanna see it? HERE (http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=BESWKFS2&s=bsd)

Nice? Xeon 3.06 Ghz. 16 gigs memory, Dual redundant 1 TB Drives....and it looks like yours...so how will we KNOW if the specs you post are true?? Hmmm...

So, are you saying a Medium sized (not even Start-up) cam-site CAN'T be run on the server I just posted???

How bout this one?

HERE (http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=BESWLFS5&s=bsd)

Wow, this one is WAY more like yours...looks exact even...and for $5.7k I get dual Xeon 2.8 ghz 12m cache CPUs, and I get dual redudant Terabyte drives, and I get 32gigs of memory....This is a beefy fucking server...in fact many ISPs run several THOUSAND websites on one of these puppies...so would this $5.7k server do for a medium camsite???

I seriously can;t WAIT to see what you get for $100k that you say is NECESSARY to a start-up cam-site....I'll even leave you off of ignore for a while, to see what you say....

Oh and Yes, Nico, I love you...I know how important I am to you, so don;t get threatened and sad...I absolutely adore you!!

Oh yeah...and how is this: HERE (http://hosting-marketers.com/ffmpeg-servers.html)(Hybrid Plan 3) Explain why that won;t work for a camsite...explain how a 1Gbps port on a tier one backbone server is NOT enough bandwidth...especially for a start-up?? Really I am curious to know...

Here...if you're too lazy I'll post specs here:
Plan Hybrid Three:

Dual 'Nehalem' Quad Core Xeon 5520
8 x 2.26GHz + hyper-threading CPU
Burstable RAM 16 Giga
1Gbps (1000Mbit) dedicated port
Web Space: 200 Giga
Monthly Traffic: Unmetered
Dedicated IP Address: 3 (on request)
Price*: $225 monthly ( Order)
*Big discounts on Yearly payments.

Notice $225 a month??? SEE IT!? and Big Discounts on Yearly payments too!

SO, liar. Why would this NOT work?? Put your money where your mouth is.

(I'm not hosting with them specifically, and found at least 4 deals JUST as good or better, but this one works for now....want another??? HERE (http://www.videowhisper.com/?p=Red5+Hosting)(try Premium 4, upgraded to 1000mbps)or HERE (http://www.serverroom.us/flashmediaserverhosting) if you have a problem with Red5..The Advanced 3000 to start would work at 100mbps and as soon as money comes in we up it to the Professional 3000 at 1000mbps..

So have I shown how ridiculous you are yet for thinking you know what the hell you're talking about when my fucking husband was start-up partner in the 1st fiber ISP in Chicago and managed it for 2 years and now owns a major networking company dedicated to mobile wifi...I know EXACTLY what it costs and how to do it, and what I don't know...he does...

The Collective will work JUST fine....

Now, show me why I need $$1Million$$ to start up when others have done so for MUCH MUCH Less.

Ridiculous....pfft!

B


Ok even though you are rambling again, I will try and dig through the bullshit and get to the meat of what you are asking.. sigh....

Okay, that server will only work if you are doing a very limited amount of girls... as in no more than a few, and with a very limited amount of traffic (and limited traffic doesn't work in this business as you well now) You're original post that started all of this was "100 girls $100 each". You ain't getting 100 girls on that server with at a bare minimum 1000s of guys to make sure each girl is getting enough attention from paying customers.

More importantly, there is no such thing as unlimited bandwidth, they all reserve the right to revoke or limit your cap if you exceed a certain threshold.

Streaming video uses TONS AND TONS of bandwidth in a very limited time frame.

If it were really that cheap, no company would buy their own servers or dedicated connections because it would just be so much easier to spend $225 a month.

But, you don't have to take my word for it, at that price, you don't need $100 from 100 girls, you being the experienced big baller promoter that you are surely can afford the $225 on your own.

Just set it up, and get you handful of cheerleaders on this website to join up with you and start camming on your new server. I can tell you right now they will follow you to the fiery pits if you ask them too. So just do it and prove me wrong.

You deserve it... and you've got nothing to lose, as $225 is chump change. As for the girls who join you and boycott MFC and do your site, they probably have a lot more to lose.

But hey girls, I've said my peace on this matter. Bam Bam doesn't know shit about running a web server, nor about bandwidth, and apparently not about business either. I see a bunch of gullible women who are in for a rude awakening and a shock.

So do it! Go spend that money, send her $100 today. Operators are standing by.

Oh yeah, and for the record, anyone who sends her money, then loses it, and then comes to the forums bitching about it--I will laugh at you, because you were warned. Plus, I've been called a liar enough times about a subject that I know better than most girls, it will be more than a little gratifying.

This is what I do for a living... not only camming, but hosting as well. Is my operation super impressive? No not yet, but it's a start. But I'm not silly enough to think that I can stream video for 100 women off of my 10mbps/10mpbs dedicated fiber connection. It takes a lot more than that. (which is funny because Bam Bam said that a T1 (1.5/1.5) was more than enough in an earlier post (you do crack me up Ms. Expert, LMAO)

Anyway, as for your next thing, you want my specs, I'll give them to you, and if you'd like you can probably go to Dell's website and punch in the same specs to see what the quote is for you.

BUT, before I waste 30 minutes of my life unnecessarily, will you actually take the specs as truth or are you gonna scream "LIAAAARRRRRR"? I have better things to do if the best answer you can give me is "LIAAAARRRRRR".

So just let me know, and I'll go from here....

kballar
07-27-2011, 04:39 PM
I believe some of the issues are being clouded. Doesn't matter who owns a server or whatever. The things you agreeing with that should be stopped Ash.... Are the very same things that MFC has had you sign a legal document saying you WONT do. So why do they allow numerous models to do it? Do we not all see free wanker as getting all of our said products and services for FREE?! AND I have a question... If models had no threat of exposure... and everything is being ran in a way that's LEGAL etc... What then would be the argument against this petition? You cant say MFC is doing everything above board AND feel threatened that they may be shut down. No crimes etc are being committed etc. So why would they close down after an expose? I AM a noob and mostly just trying to understand all sides. And unfortunately or not Bambilina is presenting the most persuasive argument.

kittykrane
07-27-2011, 04:42 PM
Seems money does speak loud enough that no one hears/sees the bigger issue behind it all, which is what I thought this thread was all about. That's sad to me :(....... I don't cam for a living, never will, but it supplements my spouses good job and helps pay for stuff for the family. I'm one that can actually say, $50/hour is good for me. I get excited when I make more, but jealous? No... I've seen how hard gals work to make that big money (and it doesn't necessarily involve doing anything obscene in free either ) but they worked hard to get there and yeah, some ignore the rules too because they aren't worried about them being enforced. That was time and a risk I didn't want to invest in. Especially in a site that didn't seem like a good fit for me from day 4, so I closed my account and stayed where could have better control over my private prices because most of the stuff I do, ain't no way I'd do it in free! I deal with some freaky fetishes (Nothing illegal) but the MFC crowd wasn't exactly receptive too me telling them to go suck some cock..(well a few, and gosh they were cheap ) I don't have the patience to train wannabes. Come see me over at SM when you are good and ready and know WTF you want...ya know?

Anyhow, I wish everyone luck. I'm gonna go watch "Sucker PUnch" now with my teenager and watch a bunch of girls band together to kick some evil ass. MUAH!

kittykrane
07-27-2011, 04:44 PM
Honestly, I don't want MFC to enforce the rules. The non-enforcement that allows me to make money however I see fit night-to-night is why I enjoy camming on MFC. There are plenty of sites girls can earn money on that only allow nudity/shows in private. I love being able to decide between public or private on any give night.


I don't care if it is fake or not....it's NOT a $100k server....if You spent $100,000 on that server you got RIPPED. If you wanna keep adding in ridiculous amounts of shit, you need to PROVE it is really in there...because that is a normal ol' Dell server...not even that great...and my husband laughed when I showed him the pic and said "The that person doesn;t know what is necessary to run a site and bought a piece of crap (if they paid $100,000 for THAT)."

HAhahahahaha...so have fun...I'm going to Busch Gardens with my son...it was his Bday yesterday...

B

We are going to Busch Gardens (not sure which one you are going to) on Friday. It's coaster time!

MzStar
07-27-2011, 04:45 PM
I believe some of the issues are being clouded. Doesn't matter who owns a server or whatever. The things you agreeing with that should be stopped Ash.... Are the very same things that MFC has had you sign a legal document saying you WONT do. So why do they allow numerous models to do it? Do we not all see free wanker as getting all of our said products and services for FREE?! AND I have a question... If models had no threat of exposure... and everything is being ran in a way that's LEGAL etc... What then would be the argument against this petition? You cant say MFC is doing everything above board AND feel threatened that they may be shut down. No crimes etc are being committed etc. So why would they close down after an expose? I AM a noob and mostly just trying to understand all sides. And unfortunately or not Bambilina is presenting the most persuasive argument.

U know the answer......the have jailed people b4 and still do it today ..... especially in this industry.....and in the end careless+porn=Fed Time everytime

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 04:49 PM
SMH... lol... horrible... pictures speak volumes. No paper could ever look like that, my dear.... it has a complete right angle/corner on the bottom of it!! Oh, and in your original image it looks as if a piece of tape is on the yellow paper... how come it doesnt show up when the curves are adjusted? FAIL.

Okay, you really are pathetic.

Here are the many photo angles that I took with my Atrix... I will post them all for the weak of mind, believers in Roswell alien conspiracies, and or anyone who thinks that the government is soon to place the mark of the beast on your forehead. (slapping forehead)

I know, I know, it's a big conspiracy, they are all "photoshop'd"!! Now excuse me while I board my alien craft and look for the shooter on the grassy knoll.

27294

27295

27296

27297

27298

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 04:56 PM
Oh yeah, the only one with the sign that didn't come out too blurry...

http://forum.stripperweb.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27292&d=1311801494

kballar
07-27-2011, 05:20 PM
Ms. Justine ... If the collective is doomed to fail, needs a million bucks fine. Can you go back to debating the points that matter to camgirls that depend on this income to provide for our families? Mainly why any of us wouldn't mind free shows when we DEPEND on SELLING them? And why a company would have us sign a contract and then create or allow an atmosphere where it is completely disregarded? Thanks :)

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 05:21 PM
My issue was never about me owning a high powered server. It is only an issue because Bam Bam called me a liar and to "put my money where my mouth is" and post pics of it and specs. So I've done the first part...

Anyway, here are the specs:

Server Type: T710 Tower Chassis for Up to 16 2.5-In HD (6Gbps) & Intel 56XX procs, Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, Datacenter Edition (2CPU),x64

Chassis: T710 Tower Chassis for Up to 16 2.5-In HD (6Gbps) & Intel 56XX procs

Processor 1: Intel® Xeon® X5675 3.06GHz, 12M Cache, 6.40 GT/s QPI, Turbo, HT, 6C

Processor 2: Intel® Xeon® X5675 3.06GHz, 12M Cache, 6.40 GT/s QPI, Turbo, HT, 6C

Memory: 192GB Memory (12x16GB), 800MHz Quad Ranked LV RDIMMs for 2 Proc, Memory Optimized (yes, that's 192 gigs of memory, not cheap)

Operating System: Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, Datacenter Edition (2CPU),x64

User CALs: 15-Pack of Windows® Small Business Server 2011 USER CALs (Standard)

Virtualization: VMware ESXi v4.0.2,2CPU, Embedded, ENT PLUS, 3 Yr Upgrade Subscription, SD

Enabled Virtualization: HyperV Role enabled in the Operating System

HDD Configuration: RAID 6 for PERC 6/i or H700 Cntrl (Non-Mixed Drives)

Hard Drives: 16 of the 1TB 7.2K RPM SATA 2.5in HotPlug Hard Drive (x16, so 16 TB HDD space on this server, not counting NX300, the file server that goes with it)

External Controller: 2x PERC 6/E SAS External RAID Adapter, 512MB

Power Supply: 1100 Watt Redundant Power Supply (so if the power supply goes out, the server keeps ticking)

Embedded Management: iDRAC6 Enterprise with Vflash, 8GB SD Card

NIC: 2xBroadcom® NetXteme II 57711 10GbE SR NIC w/TOE & iSOE, Dual Port, SFP+, PCIe-8

Host Bus Adapter: Qlogic 2562 Dual Channel 8Gb Optical Fibre Channel HBA PCIe

MS SQL: Microsoft® SQL Server™ 2008R2 Workgroup (2Socket),OEM,NFI,w/media

MS SQL CALs: Microsoft®SQL Server™2008R2 Standard,5 USR CALs Only,OEM,No Media

Optical drive: DVD+/-RW ROM, SATA, Internal

Accessories: Keyboard and Optical Mouse, USB, Black, English

Cords: 2x C13 to C14, PDU Style, 12 AMP, 13 Ft., Power Cords for Redundant PSUs

Sys Management Console: Microsoft SCE 2010 Server Management License, 5 Server (License Only)

UPS: APC Smart-UPS SMT2200 2200VA LCD 120V UPS System

NIC upgrades: Embedded NICs are TOE Ready with iSCSI Offload Enabled

Sys Management: Altiris Deployment Solution for 1 PowerEdge Server

Support 1: 3 Year ProSupport and Mission Critical 4HR 7x24 Onsite Pack

Support 2: Dell Proactive Systems Management

Support 3: REMOTE INSTALL: OS Install (MS SBS) on Dell PowerEdge Server

Support 4: Keep Your Hard Drive, 3 Years

Support 5: Open Manage Subscription Service (12 Editions)

Support 6: 3 YEAR, CERTIFIED DATA DESTRUCTION

And that's just a start. That doesn't include the third party software like Photoshop CS5 Master Collection Suite with is around $2500 per user, and I have 2 employees, so that's $5000.

And there are SO many other programs that you need to run a web server and for web design... it's not even funny.

And this is just barely scratching the surface, and just a basic start in the hosting and design world. The total costs would shock you.

Niko-n-Justine
07-27-2011, 05:34 PM
Ms. Justine ... If the collective is doomed to fail, needs a million bucks fine. Can you go back to debating the points that matter to camgirls that depend on this income to provide for our families? Mainly why any of us wouldn't mind free shows when we DEPEND on SELLING them? And why a company would have us sign a contract and then create or allow an atmosphere where it is completely disregarded? Thanks :)

I only wanted to stay on the topic, like my previous post stated... I only posted the pics and specs of my server because a number of the girls in here called me a liar who was telling stories and told me to put my money where my mouth is and post the pics and specs. Anytime someone calls me a liar, I defend myself, which is what I have done today. And still I'm being called a liar... I just don't get it. :O

And for the record, my original comment was not that a million dollars was necessary, but that if 100 girls wanted to have thousands upon thousands of guys on their new site, it would take about that much.

Attorneys, CPA, advertising, marketing, bandwidth costs, server costs, employee costs (gotta have server admins, tech guys/gals, website designers, coders, etc) streaming video software development or purchase of an existing one with codec, and the costs just go on and on.

Does one girl need that much to create her own site? Of course not. A cheaper server (leased or owned) with pretty good bandwidth would be sufficient. But with 100+ girls? It's just way more than a small little server can handle. It's not an opinion, it's a fact... I was a computer nerd my whole life, it's also the other way I make money.

I'm not against a united cam girls consortium.. I think it's an awesome idea! I just happen to know enough to understand that 10 g's ain't enough to pull it off. Not for as many girls and as big of a project as Bam was shooting for.

Like I said, if you girls wanna drop that benjamin, by all means be my guest. I'm just letting you know that it's not enough money. Straight up, it is what it is.

And really, I don't even care about that.. if girls wanna waste their money, don't let me stop them....

but when 60-minute exposes are talked about, that starts to piss me off. I don't care if they put my face on TV, actually it would be great for me because this is a career choice for me, and I don't care who knows about it.

But for the vast majority of the girls on MFC, it would ruin their lives.. destroy relationships... and put a quick stop to the way they pay their bills, and that's not okay with me. That pisses me off beyond comprehension.

If I was a selfish girl, I would say bring it, but just because it's good for me, doesn't make it right. I know for the collective camming community, it would kill them, and that is just wrong.

roast
07-27-2011, 10:58 PM
If you're going through another manic phase, fine. Drive all that energy straight into your own projects. Build momentum for your crusades among the women who support you. But don't put the rest of us at risk. You don't know what you're doing.

Some of us have dealt with the media for years, directly, and for much bigger and more important issues than some cam site's lax approach to rule enforcement.

You seriously think that's the story for them, that a website isn't enforcing its own rules in the age of free porn? That's not the story for them, Bambalina. The story is that the sweet girl-next-door is spreading her legs on the internet. They've done the story before ad nauseum and you're giving them reason to do it again. MFC's rules are just going to be a footnote, a weak justification to resurrect an old stereotype and appeal to the anti-sex-work crowd.

N-and-J is right, by the way. Ever since the Child Online Protection Act was shot down, there's no egregious law-breaking. At best, there's obscenity, and when a politician latches onto one of your news stories to ramp up for the election year, it isn't going to be about regulating cam sites. It's going to be about regulating camgirls.

Try talking to sex worker activists first with some media experience, who've done this shit before, who know which reporters to trust, and who've ridden through some ugly, puritanical, slut-shaming bullshit and seen more than a few women thrown under the bus for everyone's amusement and for Neilsen ratings. Surging forward blindly out of manic fury over some forum fight is really fucking selfish.

If the stories get traction, women will get hurt. When that happens, you'll be able to disappear again and pretend nothing ever happened. Meanwhile, the rest of us will have to scramble to protect our privacy and our livelihoods.


IAWTC

Bambalina, you once contacted and chatted with the guy who stored all of our IDs from CamWealth in an effort to 'help' us... You posted your chat transcript with a guy who posted IDs of models online in an effort to get him to 'join the fight'. To make it personal: that pissed me off when you just went ahead and did that without consulting anyone directly impacted. Then and here - I don't think you know what you're doing. I support people who feel wrong about MFC doing something about it (leaving makes sense to me but I dont work the site so I cant tell ya'll what to do. a petition seems harmless but possibly inefficient)

Bambalina I think you need to more carefully consult active sex workers who have visibility and are verified before you launch these crusades. Last year it was SM, this year its MFC, each year you have own cam site ready in a few weeks, usually hints at needing money from women in some capacity is suggested, nothing comes into fruition, then you disappear. Then you reappear and start again when there are new members who don't know that history... and you argue so angrily with those who disagree. Its a strange cycle and the pattern is very attractive but very loud and potentially harmful.

You don't WORK MFC, you don't WORK SM - ok you're an activist, I am one too: the principle 'nothing about us without us' should be very well known to you. As an inactive (or never directly has been) sex worker you are privileged here - so step back. Spend more time listening.

And flatly: the mainstream news just does. not. give. a. fuck. about. sex. workers. You dont just barrel into the media guns blazing assuming they share your ideals at all... because they don't. Fuck we learned the name of DSK's rape survivor (alleged whatever), possible HIV status, and her possible history as an esort when all of those things should be LOCKED DOWN information in the US... but alas? Names and IDs and cam profiles will be leaked in an instant. I honestly don't think this will turn into anything at all (again, there was so much commotion about CamWealth and the media and sounding the alarm and moving mountains and waves --- and nothing happened). You're really working people up when I think you need to spend wayyy more time meditating

There are sex worker media trainings out there, I'd strongly suggest you look into it

Bambalina
07-27-2011, 11:04 PM
Ok ladies, we're on our way back to the Subject at hand. I am going to reply once more and make the liar look stupid. Once that is done he/she/it will go back to my iggy bin and there it will stay.


Ok even though you are rambling again, I will try and dig through the bullshit and get to the meat of what you are asking.. sigh....


From your moth to Gods ear on that one...like Pot - Kettle - Black. The bullshit is so deep in here right now I need waders.



Okay, that server will only work if you are doing a very limited amount of girls... as in no more than a few, and with a very limited amount of traffic (and limited traffic doesn't work in this business as you well now)


The places I specified SPECIALIZE in Red5 Live streaming. They surely know more than you, since they are considered really good hosts for live cam stuff.

So who should we believe, YOU, who are a glorified cam-girl who hosts a few adult sites? Or a site which specializes in LIVE STREAM hosting, my husband who ran a multi-million dollar ISP with Web Hosting, and Dell, who has said this would be suitable, and will tell anyone who calls the same?

You are wrong, lying and stupid....there is no more use in talking to you ever again for me. I'm done....you reached the absolute "waste of air" point with me.



You're original post that started all of this was "100 girls $100 each". You ain't getting 100 girls on that server with at a bare minimum 1000s of guys to make sure each girl is getting enough attention from paying customers.


The server could EASILY handle it, since it is bandwidth that is MUCH more important here, and 1000Mbps is MORE than enough. You're ridiculous. An OC12 is 600+ mbps and I seriously doubt most camsites have an OC12 at their disposal. Also, you are some completely wrong on webcam rates of transfer anyway, it is even more claptrap you serve...You honestly believe the diarrhea that spills out of your mouth? 2mbits per user per stream...So when 25000 men are on MFC and all using the 2mbits you say, you are saying that MFC has 50terabits at their disposal? You're fucking mad...

They can barely fucking pay engineers to keep the software from crashing, they can't afford mods to watch the streams for rule breakers, they scam people out of their "Bring a Friend" money, but they spend on 50 terabits of tier one service...Ya right...

You know nothing about this business. Except how to lie on forums.


More importantly, there is no such thing as unlimited bandwidth, they all reserve the right to revoke or limit your cap if you exceed a certain threshold.

No, they don't ALL do that...normal web hosts do...but most streaming servers tell you exactly how many simultaneous connections you are allowed, and how much bandwidth, and so on. And that is that. The ones who say unlimited warn you that at some point there will be bandwidth issues, but clearly let you know that if you want say 2000 users as opposed to 1000, or you want burstable speeds during peak times, what it costs, and I have researched it, and it is reasonable. Easily do-able within a $10k budget.



Streaming video uses TONS AND TONS of bandwidth in a very limited time frame.


Which is why you host with a server specializing in streaming and located on a backbone. There are servers who have many TERABITS of bandwidth and redundant connectivity and such and they specialize in this. Too bad you don't know this stuff...sheesh...like 20 minutes research would let you know how ignorant you are.

And with compression and other variables that bandwidth is much less than YOU say and the picture is gorgeous.



If it were really that cheap, no company would buy their own servers or dedicated connections because it would just be so much easier to spend $225 a month.


Are you honestly telling me you are THAT stupid? You can't read that to START-UP all you need is $225 per month, and that within a few months there will be SOME income which can go to expanding the bandwidth and the servers you use. But it could easily be a year before you hit the place where you need your own server, and EASILY two or three before you move out of Colocated status and into your own OC3,12,48 whatever...

Have you never HEARD of Colocated servers? Gosh...I am not gonna spend time in a thread about something different, teaching you about how the internet works. Learn this stuff for yourself...ok?



But, you don't have to take my word for it, at that price, you don't need $100 from 100 girls, you being the experienced big baller promoter that you are surely can afford the $225 on your own.


I don't need $100 from 100 girls at ALL. I can do all this on my own. You are right.

But that would pretty much miss the point of a Collective. I will not own one dime more of this server than ANY other girl involved. So you are insulting 100 girls here. Do you realize that? Calling some of the best and brightest of this board names and attacking them. They own this and run this equal to me. I am no more of a voting member than any other person involved.

So I'm speaking for the collective right now, but you are insulting all of THEM, not me.

I will have MY OWN sites that belong to ME....The collective site is a completely different thing, which I do not own in the least.



Just set it up, and get you handful of cheerleaders on this website to join up with you and start camming on your new server. I can tell you right now they will follow you to the fiery pits if you ask them too. So just do it and prove me wrong.


We will, and it seems a bit stupid of you to so horrendously insult 100 girls on here....pretty retarded actually.

Hope you collective ladies are reading this...



You deserve it... and you've got nothing to lose, as $225 is chump change. As for the girls who join you and boycott MFC and do your site, they probably have a lot more to lose.


Absolutely no-one has to boycott anything to be in the Collective. You can be on any sites and be in the collective and you can freely double-cam and such. So your "facts" are once again twisted and wrong and you are once again lying.

Butt Hurt much?



But hey girls, I've said my peace


you mean "piece"...I only correct you because the word PEACE coming from your mouth is a complete sham on every level.


on this matter. Bam Bam doesn't know shit about running a web server, nor about bandwidth, and apparently not about business either. I see a bunch of gullible women who are in for a rude awakening and a shock.


We'll let them all decide...It's easy to claim shit, especially once we know I am your competitor with better ideas and doing it all faster and making the business MUCH harder for you once these cool sites are all set up...Too Slow...No Go, Too bad, SOOOOO sad.

Shoulda used that inheritance better, eh?



So do it! Go spend that money, send her $100 today. Operators are standing by.


Clearly desperation is setting in....you sound like a crazy person ranting...and you have provided no facts...as usual.



Oh yeah, and for the record, anyone who sends her money, then loses it, and then comes to the forums bitching about it--I will laugh at you, because you were warned. Plus, I've been called a liar enough times about a subject that I know better than most girls, it will be more than a little gratifying.


Oh yeah, anyone who performs obscene acts in FREE CAM, and gets horribly fucking busted by a nasty State's Attorney with a stick up his ass? And then comes to the forums bitching about it -- I will feel horrible for you, because I am person with Empathy and feelings who cares about my fellow camgirls...

Hahahaha...I might miss this a little...you are kinda entertaining is a twisted sort of way...the way you become more and more erratic, out there, and wildly accusatory is like...I still haven;t figured out WHY the extreme level desperation obvious in your rants....Ah well, don;t really have time for it though...



This is what I do for a living...


Surrrre...we believe you.... like you don't do shows in public, yet in another thread the same day state that you do shows in public for 4000 tokens.

Like you have a ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR server.

Like EVERY camsite needed a MILLION DOLLARS to get started.

LIKE There are NO LAWS against doing shows for minors even though I posted two specific laws against it...

Like all the other lies and avoidance you do...You're a hosting GODDESS! I'm sure!


not only camming, but hosting as well. Is my operation super impressive? No not yet,
I got da Fios line yup, and I got da $100000000 server! and I am a real webhoster George...Tell me about the rabbits George!!


but it's a start. But I'm not silly enough to think that I can stream video for 100 women off of my 10mbps/10mpbs dedicated fiber connection.


Hahahahaha...business Fios is BETTER than what he/she/it has...hahahahahahaa...That's HILARIOUS!


It takes a lot more than that. (which is funny because Bam Bam said that a T1 (1.5/1.5) was more than enough in an earlier post (you do crack me up Ms. Expert, LMAO)


Look everyone! ANOTHER LIE!!!

I want you to quote where I said 1.5mbits or a T1 were sufficient. If you cannot quote that, you are fucking bald faced LIAR, and you better admit it.

I used the term T1 ONCE in this post, and here is the quote:


"MFC started with hosting equivalent to the price of ABOUT a T1 MAYBE...and that was like $500 and got them enough to get by as a small site... "

How is Hosting equivalent in PRICE to a T1, saying a T1 is sufficient? Since for $500 you get 100mbps. OBVIOUSLY, you are lying and spinning...I never said you can start a cam company on a T1...Re-read the sentence, Ms. Brilliant.

Equivalent to the PRICE of a T1, NOT the speed....and since HOSTING differs from BUYING a T1...Oh wait, you do web-hosting so should no better, Miss Smarty.



Anyway, as for your next thing, you want my specs, I'll give them to you, and if you'd like you can probably go to Dell's website and punch in the same specs to see what the quote is for you.


I don't care. Really...I am done with wasting time on you, on your thread de-railing Off topic bullshit, and on your insults. Post it, don;t...I don;t care, because YES, I will say you're a liar, because almost everything out of your mouth is (as you put it) hype, spin, and pot-stirring, and you VERY obviously have trouble telling the truth. So, I call bullshit...you don;t even own that server, and even if you do, it's like a $3k Dell server and you're at Dell.com right now trying to make a server that comes out $100k and that is why it is taking so fucking long...and I would want to see a Hi-def photo of the innards of yer server and all sorts of shit, and it could easily be a server that belongs to a friend, or maybe to your bosses at MFC or whatever...You are a joke and you stopped being funny....So I'm going to go back to talking to people who MATTER...you don't.



BUT, before I waste 30 minutes of my life unnecessarily, will you actually take the specs as truth or are you gonna scream "LIAAAARRRRRR"? I have better things to do if the best answer you can give me is "LIAAAARRRRRR".


I am already calling you a liar...I don;t believe it is your server...I can surely get a friend to allow me to take a pic in front of his HUGE house and put a lil piece of paper on it that says "Bambalina's House" and before I was on the road I could have gone to the ISP my hubby helped found and put a BIG poster on a HUGE rack of servers, that says "Bambalina's Servers"...It's fucking meaningless.


So just let me know, and I'll go from here....

Dance puppet dance! hahahaha...Nah...just forget it...You win, you own a BILLION dollar Dell Server made of gold...and we ALLLLLLL believe you...

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Bambalina
07-27-2011, 11:07 PM
My issue was never about me owning a high powered server. It is only an issue because Bam Bam called me a liar and to "put my money where my mouth is" and post pics of it and specs. So I've done the first part...

Anyway, here are the specs:



Yah..yer an idiot...and a liar, and I don't care about you anymore....ready? One last post for you....

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Bambalina
07-27-2011, 11:52 PM
Best of N-n-J:


Excuse me, I DON'T do free shows, so don't make blatant judgement calls when you don't know a damn thing about me. Ya heard?


You do SOMETHING for 4000 tokens as you clearly stated in another thread. You also talk about doing public shows at the beginning of this one.


The non-enforcement that allows me to make money however I see fit night-to-night is why I enjoy camming on MFC. I love being able to decide between public or private on any give night.

So you obviously do SOME kind of shows in free chat for "4000" tokens...since you admitted that.



You better raise at least $500,000 in capital before even thinking about partaking in such a venture,


$500k!? Really!?!?! WOW!



In all reality, 100 girls will need to put up $10,000 each to make the venture work. Nothing short of $1-million total to get this thing working will be sufficient.


Oops! It's a MILLION!?!

Notice she just said a few messages back that she never said you NEED a million to start a cam site like we are discussing. This quote absolute PROVES she is a liar.

"Nothing short of a $million$ is sufficient."



to make money, you need about 50,000 customers online at any given time


REALLY!?!?! All camsites who have less than 50,000 people online at any one time, are LOSING money!?!? Are you INSANE!?



The average model on MFC makes around $1700 per month. Leo is only making $325 for each of those models on average. So he is actually only making about 19% per model.


This is completely pulled from her ass or some other crazy place she pulls her "facts" from. You have NO IDEA if this is true. None...you made it up completely.



We all know good and well that $10,000 ain't shit... and it sure as hell won't start a camming company. It's not enough money. Just do the research yourself, go get a quote on a T3... get a quote on multiple web worthy servers that can host tens of thousands of men at one time. go to career builder and find out how much you'll have to pay server administrators, IT guys, assistants, marketing people, etc etc....


Because we need all those things to start and get a cam site up and running. You are so ridiculous and I so proved there is reasonable hosting for a START-UP...and we don;t need all that other stuff to start, our own servers are a straw man, our own T3..straw man...and we won't be hosting 10s of thousands of men OPENING day...Duh!



It's a multi-million dollar endeavor.


Uh-oh...now it isn't $500k! Nope....Not a MILLION!!! NOOoooOOOoOOOO...Now it is MULTI MILLIONS to start a cam site.

Shit! Next it will be $31,000,000,000, yah THIRTY ONE BILLION DOLLARS!!! Just buy a server!!!! Don't believe that Bam bam!! She is out to steal your $100!!!! It's Two TRILLION DOLLARS to start a cam site...Bam bam spins and spins and I am perfect and my word is my bond, but it's FIFTY KABALILLION Dollars to open a cam site!!!

Does it get any more ridiculous?



First and foremost, as you so stated prior, MFC's contract isn't worth the paper its written on and wouldn't hold up in court. Therefore, what the contract does or doesn't state it irrelevant.


She's a fucking business major advising that what a contract you sign states or doesn't state is irrelevant to you....Fail many classes? Sheesh...

She thinks it's ok to sign whatever, even if it hasn't been nullified by a court...the MFC contract is FINE, that parts are held to by MFC, and parts are ignored...ok with her...it's IRRELEVANT...

hahaha...Business major where? a Diploma mill?



More importantly ma'am, this thread was NOT derailed. They were opinions given that neither you nor those in your camp held.


No this thread was about Servers and prices for opening new cam sites...YOU brought up these OFF TOPIC subjects. No-one else. You attacked the collective. You said you have a $100k server...in a thread about a petition for MFC because girls do shows in public...How is that ON TOPIC?? HOw are you Not spinning and changing the subject? Hmmm???



IT HAPPENS EVERY DAMN TIME IN THIS SORT OF MEDIA INVESTIGATIONS....


No-one has yet posted one media investigation where women have been exposed en masse.

I am ASKING you to show me I am wrong.

WHAT investigations LIKE THIS I have ever seen, Sex workers were NOT exposed specifically.



Oh yeah and for the record, I don't do public cums shows for "free" or for money....


What do you DO for 4000 tokens? And what were the public shows you choose to do that you were discussing up there?



I'm not yet 22 years old and I've bought and paid for my home in cash, and own my vehicles out right as well. And... well, I'm 10 months away from my bachelors degree in business,


You said this like you were really a whiz kid, this was to show how smart and savvy you are (re-read the original post)...

And you say this proudly, yet you bought this the Old fashioned way...You inherited it...Not much to be proud of for inheriting money and buying shit...sorry. Doesn't make you smart.

And for being 10 months away from your Bachelors in Biz...You don't understand supply and demand, you don;t understand that giving away the main product for free to 99% of customers is BAD business and will kill your sector. You don't understand that a signed contract is your word and bond. And you encourage women to break their word and argue with those who would hold them to their word. And you poo-poo signed contracts which could very well affect these women's WHOLE lives.

GREAT brains, great business acumen....pfft...



I've gotten so many damn emails from other girls thanking me for calling you out and your bully tactics you pull.


I'm still waiting for a few to step up...if they write you and don;t say it to my face, they are cowards.

I call these cowards out.



(FINALLY) In closing, you are mad because I ain't your little cheerleader waving my pom poms when you walk in the room and speak.


Jealous much???

You don't seem to have any cheerleaders who call YOU a hero. You don't seem to have 100 of the best and brightest girls on here working on a project to change camming with you. All you've got is a bug up your ass for me...why?

Wanna know what I think? You're right this whole wasted thread has been about Jealousy and Envy...your jealousy and envy apparent in the quote above...You WANT to be able to have the respect I get, and you don't know how....too bad...someday maybe if yer a good girl, I'll tell you the secret, till then...sit back darlin' and we'll see how it all comes out...



That's why for all these years on stripperweb you've been bitching and moaning about the same thing.

I've been active for about 18 months I think...."all these years"...pffft...

I think it's obvious who is the spinner, hyper, trouble stirrer and liar...

Now...I wish I could say it was nice...but...umm...no...

Have nice time in the Iggy Bin...{PLONK!}

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Bambalina
07-28-2011, 01:17 AM
Let me say first off. Roast, you and I have agreed from time to time, and we have also butted heads from time to time. Thus-far I have respect for you, and believe you misunderstand a lot of my ideas and motives and still harbor some "stuff" from back when the nasties were happening with Malaya and such. I hope we can debate and talk in a civil manner, unlike N-n-J.



Bambalina, you once contacted and chatted with the guy who stored all of our IDs from CamWealth in an effort to 'help' us... You posted your chat transcript with a guy who posted IDs of models online in an effort to get him to 'join the fight'. To make it personal: that pissed me off when you just went ahead and did that without consulting anyone directly impacted.


Um, that is not entirely accurate. I was called out for what you say, but go back and look in the thread...it was NOT exactly how things came down.

That guy never posted IDs online, that was another hacker who was in contact with the "other Camgirls forum"...This guy contacted CamWhore and used her real name, and she felt he tried to blackmail her. Well, I was very careful in talking to him (you don't see my whole chats..I only posted what I thought was relevant at the time...)..In talking to him, I realized there was definite miscommunication, since he was into blackmail alright, but it was the other way around...he wanted to BE blackmailed and I have done so for him and made quite nice money from it as well. He is looking for a FinDomme. And he got me! Wheee!

Ok sorry...lost my cool for a sec there...anyway I quickly realized he isn't a hacker, he is a doofus who stumbled on an open directory, never hacked ANYTHING....and then did dumb shit with it and freaked out CamWhore. So I asked him if he would photograph the open folders he saw and testify (at least in affidavit form) to having seen a wide open directory on a camsite that put women in danger, and he was quite eager, since he wanted to be in our good graces.

Was I hasty..well, since he isn't bothering anyone, and no-one here was hurt by him and he was OK, I guess my judgement was good. So, no...I wasn't hasty...except that I angered some people. But you know? It seems everyone who was angered were people who liked to pick fights and cause shit with me anyway. So did I care much? Nope.

He reads StripperWeb...He is probably reading THIS..he said so early on...so when I asked if he wanted to come here and talk to you girls, it was just moving him from lurker status to talker status...and he COULD have helped...

Was I wrong...I don't think so...but if it caused you to not like me and want to argue with me and shit, then I guess it was wrong...because I have nothing against you really...Overall though...I see it as Much Ado About Nothing.



Then and here - I don't think you know what you're doing.


Well, that remains to be seen right? No-one was hurt by my previous actions, and defy you to show me ONE person who can provably show my actions harmed her. And this time, well it hasn;t happened yet..you're talking about a POSSIBLE future, and it COULD go bad if you are right and I am reckless. I don't think I will be reckless, and I'm a grown woman with a right to a mind of my own.



I support people who feel wrong about MFC doing something about it


Well Amen to that!


(leaving makes sense to me but I dont work the site so I cant tell ya'll what to do. a petition seems harmless but possibly inefficient)


You can't leave everywhere that cheats you...SM cheats EVER WORSE than MFC, but MFC is right now destroying camming so has to move to the forefront. But in THIS business with WAY more cheaters than NOT, you can't run forever, you have to either settle and suck it up, or fight.

I choose to fight. The petition IS inefficient, but it is the opening shot over the bow.



Bambalina I think you need to more carefully consult active sex workers who have visibility and are verified before you launch these crusades.


I am not chopped liver. I am also a member of this society and have just as much right to feel whatever I feel as anyone else. And I don't consider it a crusade when you react. I am not attacking but defending. That is the part some of you just can;t wrap your heads around for some reason. I don't get it.


Last year it was SM,

It is ALWAYS SM. SM are scumbags, and as soon as I take care of the emergency here, I will go back to railing on SM. But you know, I realize something....

If you knowingly work at SM, and you KNOW their contract is as bad as it is, and their pay is as unfair, and their 3rd world slaves and their selling your content and so forth...if you still choose to work there, well, in that sense you get what you deserve....but will I fight them? Sure...because they are (along with MFC and LJ) a monopoly. To really make a good living in this business without killing yourself or spending 22 hours a day working, you NEED one of those 3 sites...and that means they have cam-models by the proverbial balls...and they exploit that...So damn straight I will fight em.



this year its MFC, each year you have own cam site ready in a few weeks,


I have many ways I make money...this DOES make me somewhat of a procrastinator. However, I also suffered some devastating setbacks this year.

I also re-designed what I was working on from scratch, had one programmer disappear and another one die on me.

That combined with a few really intense deaths in my life, and you're right, I didn't do what I thought I was going to do.



usually hints at needing money from women in some capacity is suggested, nothing comes into fruition,


I resent this..I have never gotten money from anyone on here, except two women have sent me gift cards as thank yous for things I did for them.

I don't want money unless I am doing something for it. If I set up a site, I will want money, and I am a firm believer in the concept of Pay-up-front and DON'T give a percentage of yourself to anyone unless you ABSOLUTELY have to.



then you disappear.

When did I disappear? When my best friend in the world died.

And i Was gone for like 1 1/2 months maybe. I think this is a very unfair characterization. Especially when coupled with:



Then you reappear and start again when there are new members who don't know that history...


You say this as if it has happened multiple times..I think you need to go through my post history and SHOW me that. I disappeared for a time enough for newbies to have shown up ONCE...when my best friend died...



and you argue so angrily with those who disagree. Its a strange cycle and the pattern is very attractive but very loud and potentially harmful.


I have had very few arguments actually...I mostly about stuff I know...and I mostly get argued WITH. This thread for example...WHat need for this being 8 pages? What need for Nico attacking me as he/she/it did? How did I deserve such vitriol and off-topic attacks from this person? Or Malaya in the past, or even Camwhore? Or the people who attacked me in my Indy Cam thread...what the fuck did they accomplish coming into a thread that didn't concern them and calling me a cheat, when they didn't even know me? I have never cheated anyone here. I have never been anything but sincere here.

Am I always right? No. But I usually try not to open my mouth if I don't know what the fuck I am talking about. That is a problem on forums, since MANY users DO open their mouth whether or not they have any IDEA what they are talking about. So I butt heads with those people. Especially if they are talking shit about something I am knowledgeable about.



You don't WORK MFC, you don't WORK SM -


See? There you go! You are completely WRONG, you opened it when ou had NO IDEA if I work these site and in what WAYS I work them. I make part of my living directly from MFC, and from SM (very little from there actually, to be honest) and partially from AW. There is other ways I work this adult entertainment world, but I DIRECTLY work on MFC and am paid by them. So you start out with a premise which is WRONG. Not angry, not being an asshole about it...just sayin'...


ok you're an activist, I am one too:


I am an adult entertainer. Promoter. Cam-Model. Panty Seller. Web site owner. Who has been onstage at the strip club more than once as well way back when. I am an Adult Entertainment Entrepreneur... it is my LIFE. Not a quick job I am doing for a year or two. I have been in this business POSSIBLY longer than anyone else here. If not...close...So to be told a bunch of stuff by women who haven't been around nearly as long is a bit insulting at times. I have earned a measure of respect and gibe it to those who show me the same courtesy.

That being said, yes, I am definitely ALSO an activist in major style.



the principle 'nothing about us without us' should be very well known to you.

Great..love it...but I AM us just as much or even moreso than most on here.



As an inactive (or never directly has been) sex worker you are privileged here - so step back.


See, this is the problem. Maybe you and I can get along now.

I webcammed for pay this week. I also promoted two women on both MFC and AW this week and directly get paid by the policies of these sites, I also worked on 3 separate websites...

I also webcammed 8-10 years ago and every time in between. on and off, like most, interspersed with websites I owned, doing MAJOR promotion of websites and cam models and all sorts of stuff, panty sales, a LITTLE stripping, a LOT of different fetish work. Etc. I have paid my dues. I am not privileged here...I am just as prominent and real and active here as any of you. I earn EVERY cent from the adult industry and more than 65% from camming or promoting cam models directly on the sites we're discussing.


Spend more time listening.

Um...no...I read everything I need to read...I take DAYS where I post nothing...just read...but if you're saying I should shut up because I am not as involved, then again, you're COMPLETELY WRONG.



And flatly: the mainstream news just does. not. give. a. fuck. about. sex. workers.


I don't agree. However I will agree they don't UNDERSTAND us in the least. So they screw up at times. And the mainstream news is many different things, which is my major disagreement...I use 60 Minutes as an example a lot. I have never seen 60 Minutes who are REALLY intrusive in many ways, EVER expose the Identities of sex workers en masse as has been discussed here. And thusfar no-one can show me even once they really screwed or hurt or exposed sex workers.


You dont just barrel into the media guns blazing assuming they share your ideals at all... because they don't.


Again people assume I barrel...and guns are blazing and shit...I am in contact with GOOD friends who are members of the media I have worked with over the years as a Promoter. I have certain people I trust. And I am pursuing this carefully with their help. Not at ALL like you characterize it.


Fuck we learned the name of DSK's rape survivor (alleged whatever), possible HIV seropositivity, and her possible history as an esort when all of those things should be LOCKED DOWN information in the US... but alas?

Once again, Apples and Oranges...a completely different TYPE of investigation, a completely different type of case, and overall, MUCH of the media DID respect her Identity and didn't divulge even after the one rogue did. And if you don't think the FACT that it was the IMF director, the richest most influential "Illuminati" organization and shadow government is why she was outed, then you are naive.

So to compare that to an investigative story about Leo and MFC is just not fair.

I am still waiting for someone to show me the proof that 60 Minutes even has the potential to unmask camgirls and endanger them. That they have ever done anything remotely like that???

If people show me this, I will back off the media aspect of this...otherwise as someone who also makes her living from MFC, I have a right to fight how I see fit.


Names and IDs and cam profiles will be leaked in an instant. People will lose their livelihoods.


Show me where this has happened in a case REMOTELY RESEMBLING this one. Show me where the media has just willy nilly exposed the names of those who had reason to stay anonymous for their safety. A mainstream news outlet, like 48 hours, Frontline, 60 Minutes, Nightline...If you can't...if NO-ONE can, then it's hype and bullshit...when you say it will happen "in a second" this infers it is so obvious because the media ALWAYS does this...and no-one can show me where they have yet EVER done this...




I honestly don't think this will turn into anything at all



Me too. I agree. I am just looking into whether my media friends and sources would be willing to see if there is anyone interested in the story. And I am being VERY careful how I pitch it...



(again, there was so much commotion about CamWealth and the media and sounding the alarm and moving mountains and waves --- and nothing happened).


I was not making that stuff happen. Others were working a lawsuit, and it never happened, and the OTHER CAMGIRL SITE took over the investigation, and in my opinion completely flubbed it. But did find and close several other leaks.

I think it was dumbe, because in my opinion, when a camsite exposes all the IDs of the girls on it, they should be out of business. Period. That is a One-Two-Three Strikes yer Out! all in one...but the market disagreed. I am not on that site and didn;t really have a dog in the fight in that sense, so I just let it drop. Nether I, nor any of my women, were exposed...so we had no lawsuit or anything.



You're really working people up when I think you need to spend wayyy more time meditating


Yah, well, I see this like Global Warming...there is a point of NO return. and We are getting closer and closer with the way this is going for the public orgasm/insertion.etc. shows. I think we MAY have passed it already, but probably not. If the right moves are made, it can be turned around and camming can be saved.

But it's gonna be REALLY close, which is why I opened my yap.

So, no time to meditate...sorry.


There are sex worker media trainings out there (Audacia Ray runs an incredible one), I'd strongly suggest you look into it

I could run one too...sighhh


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Bambalina
07-28-2011, 01:19 AM
Ok, that was fun...now I'm empty again for a short while...I will go move back up to Northern Florida for a month....see you guys tomorrow night! Have lots of good discussion for me when I get on...love y'all! (or mostly)

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redacted
07-28-2011, 02:07 AM
Longtime SW lurker. Sorry my first post is so rambly but I have to get this out.

For me, the most important thing to take away from this discussion, is that camgirls who do public cum shows are giving away their most valuable product for FREE. Can you imagine Disneyland opening the gates and letting everyone in because "5 people had paid enough to see the show" and they're "making enough"? It will never happen, because it's just bad business. Disneyland knows that they've got what you want and you and every single damn man, woman, and child will pay to see it. They also know that if they were to devalue themselves like that, the public would mentally devalue them as well.

You can cite the record industry and the porn industry all you want but guess what? WE are the ones with the control in this situation. Totally different beast. No one, not even Leo, is standing over me telling me what I "have" to do on cam. You and I make that decision every day, which is what this thread is about! There is talk about the recession and the camming recession specifically - well gee, what happened to camming approximately two years ago? A sudden surge in free public shows? Coincidence? Lots of other public sectors are on the upswing again, wonder why camming still sucks so hard? Again, our industry is dying right in front of your eyes, some of you are even pulling the trigger and wondering why you're making less money at the same time. Oh right, it's that pesky economy. Has nothing to do with the cost of watching a live girl cum (a beautiful and should-be-rare-and-valuable commodity) being reduced to ZERO AS IN ZILCH dollars. And I hate to break it to you, but a guy who has just shot his wad all over a top 20 cum show queen, maybe several in a row, WITHOUT PAYING A DIME isn't gonna stagger into your room and drop mega tokens on you, it ain't gonna happen, because he has no incentive to become a member and buy tokens because ... why would he? Think it through! He's gonna wipe himself off with a dirty sock, roll over, and go to sleep!

As for the argument that you can make more money in less time by doing public shows? Um yeah, how long does it take you to clear your countdown? There are an elite few who zip through their countdowns quickly, the rest struggle. Go search any of the MFC threads and find girls spending HOURS trying to meet their goals, slashing their countdowns in half, abandoning their countdowns altogether. Hell, go to every other camgirl forum and search the same keywords. Topic after topic about strategies to get guys to tip better, faster, new angle, what am I doing wrong?! Why? Because guys don't want to wait around for your sorry ass. Why would they? When 50 other girls are fucking themselves for free RIGHT NOW.

Here is a breakdown of the type of guys I've run into on MFC:


Guys who tip in public "just because"
Guys who tip in public toward a countdown or a show
Guys who never tip, like ever, and are proud of it
Guys who take girls private
Guys who will never go private but like groups
Guys who will never go private or group but perv on privates
Guys who wanna skype/buy videos/panties, etc.


Different girls have different hustles, and will be pulling revenue streams from different demographics. Which is good! My money mainly comes from tips in public for “nothing”, groups, and privates. You might have more group guys, you might have more just because tips, you might sell tons of videos, it's all good. I know I'm alienating an entire group of guys by not doing public shows, but I don’t cry over these fellows, they are the cheapest, most fickle of the bunch and their numbers will get more and more scares as a great number of them morph into the kind of guys who sit in the lounge waiting for the next free show and NEVER TIP. But guys in this last group could SO easily be turned into better customers. It seems like all they want to do is watch a girl cum, so why aren't they on a tube site? Why are they even on a cam site? Because they're lonely, they’re starved for affection, and they're socially retarded. Pretty much the easiest pickings in the world. Pretty much putty in the hands of a camgirl if she had the opportunity to spend time with them and draw in MORE revenue for herself AND MFC if there wasn't the distraction of row after row of girls fucking themselves silly in public. But once that service has been devalued, it's hard to convince people it's worth anything anymore - we're on a very slippery slope here. I feel torn - I'm not competing directly with these girls because I personally will never do it, but by the very fact that they're devaluing THEIR product, it subtly and silently devalues mine (in the eyes of the consumer).

The only benefit to offering ANYTHING free in public is the hope of converting free members to paying members because there is something they CANNOT SEE in public. This is the beauty of MFC's business model - luring in lonely (but cheap) guys who would never sign up for a pay site, betting on them becoming so enthralled with the camgirl that they simply must purchase tokens to see MORE. But it will only work if there is actually an incentive, a "MORE", in place. I still make good money, but I would be an idiot to believe that I wouldn’t be making MUCH MORE, and so would EVERY OTHER GIRL ON THE SITE, if it was impossible to watch a girl climax in public. I don't want MFC to get shut down (they won't), I don't want anyone to lose money, but I wish girls would wake up and start realizing their own worth - and not confuse "going with the flow" with "forgetting their power".

kittykrane
07-28-2011, 06:48 AM
Here is a breakdown of the type of guys I've run into on MFC:


Guys who tip in public "just because"
Guys who tip in public toward a countdown or a show
Guys who never tip, like ever, and are proud of it
Guys who take girls private
Guys who will never go private but like groups
Guys who will never go private or group but perv on privates
Guys who wanna skype/buy videos/panties, etc.





I know some gals love the freedom to promote and make money several different ways on MFC, but ever think - based on the 7 choices that REDACTED just put up there - that it's just too many choices for the guys ?

Now there's a small pool of intelligent men who still have blood flowing to their northern brain that enjoy these options, but "average dick" (who makes up the majority of the men on ANY site) just wants to nut and go....His easiest option is the free cum show from which point he can decide whether or not to spend tokens..and more than likely (on ANY site) he won't. Either way, he doesn't lose!

The guys that have money and want to spend it are spending it, especially those that RESPECT that I'm working. The rest don't respect us, they feel entitled to see it/ that we should be doing this for free because they are there watching. So we ban, we kick, but you can't keep them from multiplying.... BUT WE CAN KEEP THEM FROM VIEWING OUR SHOWS & OUR LIVELIHOOD! They don't deserve to see it, doesn't anyone understand that?? Granted, the economy isn't great right now, but I'm still doing much better than I was when I started camming 4 years ago when it was supposedly "good" , so guys are spending for sure, especially when they have just a couple choices. Give them too much and they just want more, more, more.....

"Average DICK " doesn't want to read your blinged out myspace looking model page either to find out what your "rules and options are"..he doesn't give a shit! Heck, I don't even want to read some of the long ass pages on there and even if I did, some are just physically impossible to read .......

I'm adding #8:

"Guys who just want you to view their cam or PM aimlessly (mostly for free because their dicks are so great and who wouldn't want to get a free peek at that awesome mancandy? LOL...... )

Niko-n-Justine
07-28-2011, 07:08 AM
Wow Bam Bam, I felt like I was reading the ramblings of someone who is insane. Anyway, like I said before, you take everything out of context again by posting miscellaneous shit, and then tell me to give you the specs and pics of my server. After complying with the wish, I'm a liar again.

LOL, you are so predictable, and yes, I'm done with the server discussion because, what's the point? I've been lurking and or signed up with SW for about a year, and I've watched you grill and call anyone who disagrees with you a liar.

Oh, but I'm still gonna stick around and respond, but you and your "T1 1.5/1.5" is more than enough to run the cam site totally discredited you to begin with, so there is no reason to discuss servers with someone who knows nothing about them.

As has been pointed out anyway, your little expose and the destruction it can do to cam girls is the real important issue anyway. Although I do find it amusing that after every comment you promise you are ignoring me and never talking to me again, and you find yourself drawn to me anyway. It brings a smile to my face.

kittykrane
07-28-2011, 07:53 AM
I forgot to mention.. take SM's party chat for example... It's about giving the guys a deal and making them pay SOMETHING, ANYTHING to see a show.. Models that set $1 for a 10 min show (based on estimated/projected/wishful thinking room volume I'm assuming) are handing them the opportunity to participate, generously..and they still wont do it. And yes, these are guys that signed up on the site with a credit card. So the models have to cancel shows because a guy doesn't want to spend a buck. ONE lousy dollar. Nope he wants it free and he will hang out in your show the whole countdown jerking to you girating your hips, nut an go.... What makes anyone think that the freeloaders on MFC are suddenly going to change? It's possible, sure, but unlikely. So I like party chat for the reason that it keeps out those that don't pay. Ok, gotta work now..have a great day ladies!

BlankStare
07-28-2011, 10:14 AM
I'm just going to throw this in the air-

I have been here on the forums for a few years now (this is a new name), and soon after I originally joined, I saw Bambalina's posts. I have never had a conversation with her in all of this time, other than one, *awesome*, religious debate. But I know this... she is quite intelligent.

N-n-J - You are 21, right? Not only are you 21, but you are also a self-proclaimed spoiled brat. Bambalina is in her 40s, has been doing this probably as long as you have been alive- so please, get a grip. Also, being the spoiled brat you are, you don't really NEED to worry about how you are going to make money from week-to-week or day-to-day. My family has lots of money, too... but mine is still alive, and it will be some time until I get an inheritance. Inheriting money is nothing to be proud of, or flaunt.
And I still believe your server pictures are fakes, and the camera "you" took those photos with was a Canon - not whatever brand you said it was, they were uploaded using Windows XP (who even has XP anymore?). also, those pictures are hosted on flickr.com somewhere (according to the exif data on the pics). The one, with the sign... is definitely not real.

If any of you think for one moment.... even one tiny minuscule second.. that free shows wont indefinitely HARM the camming industry, then I am sorry, but that is wrong. And there is absolutely no justification for it- however you spin it. I know there are a handful of women making a GREAT amount of money on MFC... but not everyone is, when everyone could.

When you constantly try to make EXCUSES for something 'not being so bad', when you have to DEFEND something that is not even yours, or when you have to chalk up to the 'hustle hard or go home' mentality- there is something wrong with it. Each and every woman on here has the potential to bring in a lot of money... we all are women, after all.

I'm not Bambalina's cheerleader, however, I am a supporter. I have never had one private conversation with this woman for the two 1/2 years I've been on this forum. (but perhaps I should!)

But I have undoubtedly realized that when it comes to certain things, especially when it comes to injustices and wrong-doings; she not only has a lot to say, but she also brings many facts, opinions, and undoubted truths, about what is wrong in this particular field of the adult industry.

Some of you act as if MFC is your ugly baby. You love it, but you know it's ugly, and you will do your damnedest to defend it.... knowing it's always going to be ugly, anyway. It doesn't make sense to me, beings that you all could make just as much, if not more, money elsewhere.

It's always a good idea to have a back-up plan when you are in an industry- this is no different. So what are some of you ladies going to do if camming gets ruined forever? The women that are physically sick, or have issues being around people outside of the home, or the women who really have no other options.. what will you do? Seriously. Seems like the only women that speak on the forums are the ones that are living the good life from camming while they are going to school or planning to do other things. And I know that is not the case for every one. I know some of the ladies HAVE to do this or work at fucking McDonalds.

What's the point in defending something that is going to not only harm you, but the rest of the industry and the rest of the single mothers trying to work and go to school and take care of their kids? Doesn't seem fair- does it?

TeenageAnnie
07-28-2011, 10:20 AM
hey girls.

so today i am ashamed to admit that i broke the mfc rules.
i did a dildo show in public :-[

well never again.
im going to stick to privates/groups and getting tips for dancing topless.

why? well it took hours to get the tip amount required '3000' and then when i started i only got '200' worth of tips to keep going. said tips will make the show go on. but they just bombarded me with requests and told me to 'cum'. how can i cum if theyre not going to tip me and im not even horny :O

well its not like i didnt earn the 3200 tokens cause i danced topless/naked for like 3 hours and chatted to them and shaked my boobies and stuff. so why should i continue if theyre not gonna keep tipping :-\

anyway before today i only did groups/privates and i earned at least 1000 tokens per group show which lasted about 5-10minutes and then in privates id make like 2000 for 10 minutes from voyuers and shit. and then id log out after 4 hours with 7000 tokens in my pocket. and today when i "succumed" to the requests for public countdown shows i went home with 3200 for 5 hours work and feeling a little degraded and worthless tbh.

wow public shows suck and defo not for me

thought i would share since this thread was about public shows and shit. ::)

tnx

edit: oh id just like to add that usually i have around 200 ppl in my room when just topless. but today when i got my kitty out there were like 600 in the room suddenly. LOL its like some alarm bell rings letting guys know when a pussy is on display for free

Marleysade
07-28-2011, 02:57 PM
hey girls.

so today i am ashamed to admit that i broke the mfc rules.
i did a dildo show in public :-[

well never again.
im going to stick to privates/groups and getting tips for dancing topless.

why? well it took hours to get the tip amount required '3000' and then when i started i only got '200' worth of tips to keep going. said tips will make the show go on. but they just bombarded me with requests and told me to 'cum'. how can i cum if theyre not going to tip me and im not even horny :O

well its not like i didnt earn the 3200 tokens cause i danced topless/naked for like 3 hours and chatted to them and shaked my boobies and stuff. so why should i continue if theyre not gonna keep tipping :-\

anyway before today i only did groups/privates and i earned at least 1000 tokens per group show which lasted about 5-10minutes and then in privates id make like 2000 for 10 minutes from voyuers and shit. and then id log out after 4 hours with 7000 tokens in my pocket. and today when i "succumed" to the requests for public countdown shows i went home with 3200 for 5 hours work and feeling a little degraded and worthless tbh.

wow public shows suck and defo not for me

thought i would share since this thread was about public shows and shit. ::)

tnx

edit: oh id just like to add that usually i have around 200 ppl in my room when just topless. but today when i got my kitty out there were like 600 in the room suddenly. LOL its like some alarm bell rings letting guys know when a pussy is on display for free

well baby good for you for making your money!! and it really good tat you average hundreds of men in your room i aint hating..but would you rather have 600 cheap men and only make 150 dollar or 50 men that spend money because they know that they are trained to know you are worth more than that and you follow the rules? Im not going to say that i never did that but i noticed a pattern for me..when i just flash my stuff for tips say my goal is 4000 tokens it would take forever to get it but when i first started i was making money of pvt because i stayed covered what i did was just smile and laugh and crack jokes and guys were tipping just because they were entertained!!! Dont get me wrong i still got asswholes but i started getting more freeloaders time to time because they saw that do get naked in free chat...You can do what you want but I just wanted to give my opionion without starting an arguement!!lol It is going to be hard but im going to cam as much as i can to build a rep that if you want to see these ta-tas you better pay!!hehehe I wonder if thats the way sam did it

Marleysade
07-28-2011, 03:05 PM
I'm just going to throw this in the air-

I have been here on the forums for a few years now (this is a new name), and soon after I originally joined, I saw Bambalina's posts. I have never had a conversation with her in all of this time, other than one, *awesome*, religious debate. But I know this... she is quite intelligent.

N-n-J - You are 21, right? Not only are you 21, but you are also a self-proclaimed spoiled brat. Bambalina is in her 40s, has been doing this probably as long as you have been alive- so please, get a grip. Also, being the spoiled brat you are, you don't really NEED to worry about how you are going to make money from week-to-week or day-to-day. My family has lots of money, too... but mine is still alive, and it will be some time until I get an inheritance. Inheriting money is nothing to be proud of, or flaunt.
And I still believe your server pictures are fakes, and the camera "you" took those photos with was a Canon - not whatever brand you said it was, they were uploaded using Windows XP (who even has XP anymore?). also, those pictures are hosted on flickr.com somewhere (according to the exif data on the pics). The one, with the sign... is definitely not real.

If any of you think for one moment.... even one tiny minuscule second.. that free shows wont indefinitely HARM the camming industry, then I am sorry, but that is wrong. And there is absolutely no justification for it- however you spin it. I know there are a handful of women making a GREAT amount of money on MFC... but not everyone is, when everyone could.

When you constantly try to make EXCUSES for something 'not being so bad', when you have to DEFEND something that is not even yours, or when you have to chalk up to the 'hustle hard or go home' mentality- there is something wrong with it. Each and every woman on here has the potential to bring in a lot of money... we all are women, after all.

I'm not Bambalina's cheerleader, however, I am a supporter. I have never had one private conversation with this woman for the two 1/2 years I've been on this forum. (but perhaps I should!)

But I have undoubtedly realized that when it comes to certain things, especially when it comes to injustices and wrong-doings; she not only has a lot to say, but she also brings many facts, opinions, and undoubted truths, about what is wrong in this particular field of the adult industry.

Some of you act as if MFC is your ugly baby. You love it, but you know it's ugly, and you will do your damnedest to defend it.... knowing it's always going to be ugly, anyway. It doesn't make sense to me, beings that you all could make just as much, if not more, money elsewhere.

It's always a good idea to have a back-up plan when you are in an industry- this is no different. So what are some of you ladies going to do if camming gets ruined forever? The women that are physically sick, or have issues being around people outside of the home, or the women who really have no other options.. what will you do? Seriously. Seems like the only women that speak on the forums are the ones that are living the good life from camming while they are going to school or planning to do other things. And I know that is not the case for every one. I know some of the ladies HAVE to do this or work at fucking McDonalds.

What's the point in defending something that is going to not only harm you, but the rest of the industry and the rest of the single mothers trying to work and go to school and take care of their kids? Doesn't seem fair- does it?

Good Point!

MzStar
07-28-2011, 04:55 PM
lmao !!!! regardless of what these girls say I'm seeing less and less free shows......BTW.....only the dumm others are doing it still.....(Non-english speaking) but the main stream have slowwed them way down.....in the end MFC will either stop the bullshit or die....it's only a matter of time.
when u see the girls on there begging like hobos on the freeway exit ,lmao, its just sad.....the sign is the quiet watchers.....that means the fun is gone.....I've seen this on other sites....they burn too fast and too bright....after the major scandal hits (recording all over other sites and torrents sites, some one sues...tursut me it happens more than you think).....a change will have to happen

Fridays
07-28-2011, 06:28 PM
funny thing is.... most guys actually hate to tip so that others see for free........
its not right for them either! seriously... I dont blame them!
I have requested privates today... got 1... but I did not do free shows....
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Feels weird after a while...
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And they will do whatever THAT model requests , eventually...

Fridays
07-28-2011, 06:45 PM
I wonder how many girls on this forum work MFC daily..
maybe 20-30? what is their camscore? are they on the 1st page?
maybe we could do a TEST and ask ONLY privates and groups for a 1 week... and see how it goes....