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kittykrane
07-28-2011, 07:20 PM
Never mind. Im trying to pst in wrong thread anyhow. Lol

Bambalina
07-28-2011, 09:35 PM
Ok, so some of the points made today.

Blank: You rock! Thanks for the kind words and the, as always clear and concise explanation of how this works. I realize I sometimes use about a thousand words to many.

redacted: Sheesh! What the hell took you so long to post!? Your post blew me away! It said what I have been trying so hard to say, and so clearly, t was like reading what my mind would say if it was able to just say it RIGHT. Fantastic post. Bravo!

kittykrane:


I know some gals love the freedom to promote and make money several different ways on MFC, but ever think - based on the 7 choices that REDACTED just put up there - that it's just too many choices for the guys ?

Now there's a small pool of intelligent men who still have blood flowing to their northern brain that enjoy these options, but "average dick" (who makes up the majority of the men on ANY site) just wants to nut and go....His easiest option is the free cum show from which point he can decide whether or not to spend tokens..and more than likely (on ANY site) he won't. Either way, he doesn't lose!

You make some great points. However...I think that your specialized guy, and other fetish guys and fetish "acts" will arrive on MFC and begin to thrive a bit more, when MFC becomes what it designed to be. For now, it draws literally several hundred thousand men who are the lowest common denominator of camming. They are not interested in investing in a relationship that Fet would require...But go watch Ashiepants, she's a fucking marvel to behold. And while she breaks the rules a little from time to time, she is MOSTLY within the rules and she fucking BANKS, because her guys love her and are invested in her. They care what she talks about and I can see them all rolling all over themselves and twitterpated with the camgirl-crush that works so well for extracting money from these guys. She giggles and they all almost lose it. So it can be done...But she appeals to more mainstream guys, and that works ok on MFC, because MFC is all about that and not the odd stuff. Anyway, more about that later.

TeenageAnnie: Don't be ashamed. Just learn from it and move on babe.

If we can change this tide and make it roll back, we can make MFC really rock and roll like it did a few years back when girls were all scared to do shit in public. Money fell on you like freakin' rain...It's not too hard, but it has to be a concerted effort.

THAT is what this thread is about.

HOW to we make ALL the girls on MFC aware of this. How do we make this whole discussion go viral for the world of MFC.

It's on all the cam-forums right now...we spread there...but it needs to keep rolling...

Welcome to the money-making AND cam-responsible cam model club...hehehe

Marleysade: So what do you think the next steps are to make this bigger??

MzStar: See, I think the free shows are worse. While I see somewhat of a decrease in frequency from some of the top 20 girls, I also am seeing that since QUITE a FEW of the top 50/100 girls bank using the shows (try watching on the 14th, 15th, 30th and 31st of the month...especially as midnight draws near....dayum!) that MANY MANY lower row girls are doing many more free shows, and worse yet, the girls on page 2 and 3, do the shows for nothing just to draw guys.

The lounge used to be where guys would go to relax and chat, and they would point out interesting cam shows and such ("Oh she has a pole..." or "Countdown to shower show, down to 100!!" or "XXX_XXXXXX is doing a HOT GROUP!") and most of it led to women actually getting more money.

The lounge now...horrendous and ALL about what girl is providing what show for FREE and they all decent like locusts about to eat the farm dry. It makes me sad and ashamed and piteous for the girl who has no idea she has literally been treated WORSE than a piece of meat...

"Hitachi is out!!!! Let's get some FREE pussy!" and such...as well as stuff like "She's a fat bitch, but she's gonna fuck herself!!" and the like....If you have a member account (and you ALL should if yer on MFC) go and just watch and read for 30 minutes...The lounge used to be able to be used to make bank, now it just brings vultures generally...even the upper echelon Lounge (yes there is another one...) which is for big tippers ONLY, is now filled with guys who are sick of spending and want it free.

But the rest of what you say, I pretty much agree with...All the signs of demise are there, and I bet we don't make it 6 months without a State's Attorney getting involved...

Fridays: My tumultuous friend! You are fun! But remember, unless you have the patience to stick it out and really help us make sure ALL the girls know there is even a campaign to stop the free shows, they probably won't stop. I mean, the numbers outweigh us right now. That is what the stupid petition is for. It won't change anything DIRECTLY, but it can be used to help raise awareness that there is a concerted effort to change things.

So, that is where this thread needs to go next. Right?

B

Bambalina
07-28-2011, 09:55 PM
Ok, first off, what good is MFC!? I mean why keep it? Do we need it as a camsite?

YES! Absolutely. I would like to emulate the most successful aspects of MFC in my cam projects and hope the Collective resembles MFC MORE than SM...but takes the cool and successful from BOTH.

That being said...I'd like to envision for you what I see MFC at it's very very BEST could be. And this is real-world, not that they suddenly add shit they don't have and such.

1. While many people envision MFC as "Wild West" and I have heard that term used before, I believe it SHOULD be compared to a wonderful, crazy, naked, sexy carnival midway, filled with insanely intriguing acts of all descriptions...each little cam-nook being a teaser to come into the tent and see the show...

Step right up...See Ashiepants! The prettiest thing this side of the Pecos! And MarleySade and her magical Ta-tas! And in this tent, don;t step in if you are faint of heart, because KittyKrane offers demented delight to devour your MIND!

And nothing offers what carny's call the "blow-off" which is the pay-off you get ONLY after your ya the ticket and takes ya chances! Your free chat is where you hawk your particular show and your style...Maybe Ash does groups, while kitty does extreme one-on-one...etc. And any guy coming there will be intrigued and sucked in....because he sees some pretty boobalas and some nekkid butt spinning around the pole...but the mysterious and sexy show is ALWAYS behind the curtain...Come step behind the curtain....where dreams come true...

2. Nudity is a TOOL to get em behind the curtain. Nothing more and nothing less. We NEVER give them a full show...we tease them with our charms. Until they come behind the curtain to our smoky and sexy lair....

3. I believe the power of the group show on MFC (especially for girls who have the power of Ash, and her style of show) is SO underrated. I mean, I have had women I promoted on MFc who lived off Group and nothing else...

Count up, from 0-100 for a song strip show, with energy and nudity and so on, and then "Ok, boys I am going group...Time for the Hitachi to come out...I am going to cum Sooooooo hard..." and bingo, she would have a group of 20, or even 50 guys....That adds up REALLLY fast....$50 a minute isn't bad...beats a 2 1/2 hour count for a cum show that makes you $200...I've seen one of my girls make $785 in 16 minutes...Groups are powerful when you forget the 3 person thing...groups should START at 5 or even 10 guys...and you have that choice on MFC.

4. If you don't have a Voyeur AUDIENCE when doing a private...you're doing something wrong...this is about promoting, and we can all work on that in other threads...

5. It should be a fun place whee guys can come and blow off steam and chat for free with a cute sexy girl, but it should NEVER be a place where the average guy gets off and cums FOR FREE.

B

Bambalina
07-28-2011, 10:08 PM
So, what can be done to make MFC follow their rules? Very little except the extremes. We can't force Leo to see this..we can hope and we can try to make it happen ourselves, and we can ALL write him and explain it in a multitude of ways...

He's kind of a scumbag, but he also came up with MyFreeCams, so he isn't a completely stupid scumbag. He is however, short-sighted I believe, and maybe if we all keep explaining it AND making it happen, he will see. He stands to make DOUBLE what makes now if we fix this.

If you HATE Leo....Don't fix MFC...

So, the LAW and the MEDIA can MAKE Leo fix the site. We can't.

But we can overwhelm him and make sure he knows what we want. And we can definitely go about this as a group of ultra-powerful women who want to change the way things work. Fix the cam-industry and show the boys how this shit is done.

So what is the first move??

I believe it is MFC mail. The most underused function of MFC...

Send an MFC mail to every camgirl when you get on, or do 10 every day...some of you should be writing those who break the rules, and inviting them to read this thread...this forum...CGU...come to chats, etc. But mostly just explaining as clearly and concisely as possible why doing free shows hurts us all. If a model gets ten of those..all different.. from ten DIFFERENT cam models...she might start to think....

Second is to mail EVERY camgirl and make her aware that there IS a move to change the way it is going...having 2000 girls helping with this will do WAY more than having 20...So the BEST thing you can do is make as MANY MFC models aware as possible...MFC Mail can do this....

B

PS. What do you think will happen, if everytime a girl breaks the rules, she gets like 200 mails from cam-models, and the second offense, admin Leo gets 200 mails about it...If WE moderate the site for a short time, MFC will see the value in hiring Mods. Drop free shows by 25% and MFC will see a 30-40% rise in revenue...and they will jump all over that...

MzStar
07-28-2011, 10:48 PM
PS. What do you think will happen, if everytime a girl breaks the rules, she gets like 200 mails from cam-models, and the second offense, admin Leo gets 200 mails about it...If WE moderate the site for a short time, MFC will see the value in hiring Mods. Drop free shows by 25% and MFC will see a 30-40% rise in revenue...and they will jump all over that...

Leo well just change his Email.......LMAO

Bambalina
07-28-2011, 11:00 PM
Leo well just change his Email.......LMAO

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Aint that the truth....

B

BrownFox
07-29-2011, 06:30 AM
We are going to Busch Gardens (not sure which one you are going to) on Friday. It's coaster time!




Hey, kitty! Have fun today at Busch Gardens! 8) My son went to Kings Dominion with my parents and loved it.

Bambalina, I hope you and your son had fun at Busch Gardens as well! I love summer time so much. I'm definitely trying to go on some rides in August right around my birthday (Aug. 15).....maybe go to Six Flags Great Adventure again.

BrownFox
07-29-2011, 06:52 AM
i did a dildo show in public :-[

well never again.
im going to stick to privates/groups and getting tips for dancing topless.

why? well it took hours to get the tip amount required '3000' and then when i started i only got '200' worth of tips to keep going. said tips will make the show go on. but they just bombarded me with requests and told me to 'cum'. how can i cum if theyre not going to tip me and im not even horny :O





That's good for you, Annie (the money you made, and your decision to stick to private and group). :) Congrats on making all that money!


That is annoying as FUCK.....seeing guys TELL a woman to cum. Like she's gonna cum on demand or something. ::) She will cum when her pussy is ready to cum.....not when your no-token-havin'-ass TELLS her to. :P And the "Can I see yo feet plz?" guys (asking that in the middle of her dancing or applying oil).....what's with that? LOL!

kittykrane
07-29-2011, 07:28 AM
Change is only going to piss off one group of people....those not paying to begin with! So what? Big loss? Hardly.

Bambalina
08-11-2011, 01:55 PM
Change is only going to piss off one group of people....those not paying to begin with! So what? Big loss? Hardly.

Exxactly! I most of all revel in the concept of the collective faces of the formless horde of freeloaders, if the day comes where the rules say "No MORE breaking the rules!"...ad especially if they stuck to the "Encouraging women to break the rules will be cause for suspension or BAN." and banned a few of these fuckers "show pussy bb!"

Ka-SLAM! And you are outta here!

Now we just gotta them to listen and take notice.

B

Bambalina
08-11-2011, 01:56 PM
Also, I still say a careful approach to the media would work...

B

PS. PBS Frontline.....that would work...

KitanaBlades
08-14-2011, 01:36 PM
YAY!!! Signed. :)

B - let me know if you need ANYTHING to promote this. :)

KitanaBlades
08-14-2011, 01:51 PM
Ok - this is what I think....

First and foremost - Aren't there tons of threads with so many of you bitching and complaining how MFC operates? Isn't there thread after thread bitching and complaining on how some girls can do whatever they want and the others can't? Isn't there threads all the time about "OMG Agent_99 or this person did this" - ALL THE WHILE OF MANY OF YOU BITCHING ABOUT MFC RULES.

The point is here - to get MFC to follow the rules THEY wrote and THEY are supposed to stick by. That's the point - It's not about a free show or who does them - it's about the RIGHT THING TO DO. Who cares who does free shows - everyone does their shit differently so WHY is that even a debate?

All of us bitched about MFC not following the rules or things being different for different models. THERE ARE TONS OF THREADS like this. Go search if you don't believe me.

Seriously? You all are bitching about B making a petition? Bitching about her efforts in trying to help the rest of us be in a fair game here. Many of the other sites are fair so why can't MFC be too? B is only trying to help and her intentions are GOLDEN in this. I am not by any means sucking her ass but I see too many people bitching and not enough doing something about it.

B is doing something about it. So now that everyone was bitching and she is doing something about it - now everyone wants to be a pessimist and bitch at her for doing it. Really?

The only way to get something changed is to get the word out, get it noticed and fight for what you believe in. TOO MANY times I see everyone bitching about how poorly cam girls are treated with rules of sites or what not....

Simply put - B is doing something about it and is asking those who HAVE bitched to help her by signing a petition and writing Leo letters....but people are still bitching...

What - do you expect ONE or TWO people just to do all the protesting and demand changes on their own so the rest of you can reap the benefits of their hard work to GET it done?

That's what it seems to me here. It's a GOOD thing she is doing all this. It is good ideas....and if something does happen - whomever works on MFC is going to reap the rewards of it.

Sometimes - I think chicks can't see a good thing if it hit them in the jaw 80 times....

Get with it girls. MFC has a large fan base and we know this...CAN YOU imagine what would happen when, not if, WHEN something comes of this? You guys will be all happy for making that money then and while you should remember - you bitched at B for doing it and NOW you make money from her efforts and everyone else that joined in that fight.

This is a site where we are SUPPOSED to be united and sometimes I think many of you let PMS get in the way. I think many of you don't get that it's words on a screen and we can't hear feeling or hear how it was said....Isn't this one of the key reasons WHY SW is supposed to be so great for THESE kinds of reasons?

We all have so much to bring to the table to help these problems on MANY camsites in regards to their rules or procedures - if you think you can't push for change because it seems like that site doesn't care about YOU - wrong. They care about MONEY, BUT, if they aren't making money because the majority of their girls took off - they will wonder....and when they get hit with millions of emails and a petition that says - "We left because YOU SUCK and here is why..." Believe it or not - THEY WILL LISTEN.

Don't believe me? Look up some businesses that have been selected as one of the top 10 companies to work for. Ok - they aren't camsites - but it's still BUSINESS and that same model applies when it comes to making money and keeping customers happy. Men aren't going to spend money if they don't have GOOD material to use and customers won't be happy if they are getting SCREWED like the girls do....

GET WITH IT guys - this is something we should ALL grab by the balls and run with. If you don't want to support the MFC fight to make it all gravy and fair, then just go do your thing and stop raining on our parade. We have hope and want to see things change. We have the determination and fight to do this and SHAME on the ones who are shitty with this - sure you say somewhere else that you support your fellow cam girl - but on an issue you don't like or don't think it's possible - you get shitty....

NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE and things CAN change.....if things didn't change, women wouldn't be able to vote and this country will still have slaves....along with everyone else that has been abolished.

If a large enough group of people gets the attention of the cam world, believe me - shit will start to happen. YOU have to talk to the mountains in order for it to be moved - don't let the mountain talk to YOU.

Thanks!

GlamourRouge
08-17-2011, 10:28 AM
I think its kind of a lost cause. If this really becomes an issue, MFC will just change the rules. There's no law that says any of the MFC rules have to be in effect, right? So why would someone who is a multi-millionaire (aka the owner of MFC) change things to make less money?? I read in a thread somewhere that he will go in top models' room sometimes and tip them... or someone high up in the company does... just to get the tips rolling in.

In the end, it is a business. So I'm sure they are looking to make the most money possible. I highly doubt they will make any changes.

Bambalina
08-17-2011, 11:51 AM
Well, I disagree, because I think that the last year has seen MFC traffic rise, but not profits, and I think sooner or later they will have to repair that, since bandwidth isn't free...and freeloaders eat LOTS.

Freeloaders bring NO money to MFC, so why are they even allowed? Well, the FREE CAMS model of business, but this doesn't include (see the MFC Rules) Free insertion and dildo and masturbation and all that...Because athat stuff gives the best stuff away for free.

B

GlamourRouge
08-17-2011, 01:46 PM
Well, I disagree, because I think that the last year has seen MFC traffic rise, but not profits, and I think sooner or later they will have to repair that, since bandwidth isn't free...and freeloaders eat LOTS.

Freeloaders bring NO money to MFC, so why are they even allowed? Well, the FREE CAMS model of business, but this doesn't include (see the MFC Rules) Free insertion and dildo and masturbation and all that...Because athat stuff gives the best stuff away for free.

B

I could see that, but don't most or at least half of the top 20 models do "free" (token donations only) shows in free chat? It would be AMAZING if free shows weren't allowed, but I still don't think MFC will change it. Especially because most of the top models get the amount of tokens they have mostly by random guys each donating 100 tokens. If 100 tokens is all someone can donate, they definitely won't be able to pay for a show. And if a lot of those 100 tokens stop rolling in, the model (and therefore) MFC will make way less money.

Starxx
08-17-2011, 01:48 PM
Well, I disagree, because I think that the last year has seen MFC traffic rise, but not profits, and I think sooner or later they will have to repair that, since bandwidth isn't free...and freeloaders eat LOTS.


I could be wrong and I'm not trying to call you out, but aren't profits increasing on MFC? To make the top 20, girls are needing to make more and more every month. Even I've noticed it seems like it takes a little bit more just to make the top 100.

I don't do payroll or anything, this is just my observation.

Bambalina
08-17-2011, 02:47 PM
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For those reading this thread in sequence. You get the jist. And either you agree of you don't, and going on anymore is a waste of time. Mine and yours. So there will be no more content from this point on in this thread, from me.

I seriously realize that in most cases trying to organize cam-models into any sort of cohesive unit is bound to fail and most cam models are bound to their self-destructive course. I will 'group up" with those who 'get it' and we'll form shelters against the coming storm and do business together.

Otherwise, I realize that "helping" is a ridiculous concept in this environment.

So, I will do what I deem is right about the MFC stuff and work on my own as I see fit. Otherwise, you won;t have to read me talking about MFC anymore.

B

Bambalina
08-17-2011, 03:11 PM
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B

Noa
08-17-2011, 03:49 PM
Camscore and "Miss MyFreeCams" are two different metrics. I believe you mentioned that you promote women on MFC so I presume you're already aware of this.

Camscore is an algorithm based on a few factors, the bulk of which is derived by tokens averaged per hour within a 60-day time period.

MissMyFreecams, which includes the 'top 20,' is derived from money earned within the month. I can be #50 one month, but if I take the first week of the following month off, I'll be #600 or 800 or whatever until I start earning money again. So it's very easy to know how much MFC is making. When I do my books and see how much I made during July on MFC and where I ranked, I can see how many women made more money than I did.

I make a lot. A shit ton of women make more. And I've noticed what Starxx noticed as well: it takes a little more each month to get the same general ranking, which means that people are spending *more* on MFC, not less.

Ultimately, the rankings don't matter. They're independent of camscore. What matters is how much I make. The rankings just tell me that other women are making more.

Bambalina
08-17-2011, 04:23 PM
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Noa
08-17-2011, 05:04 PM
There's a rift in that logic. If you were making $2k/week 3-4 years ago and made top 20 then, and money has gone up over those 3-4 years, then the logical conclusion would be that you would need to make more to hold that same ranking.

And that's apparently the case.

It's pretty straightforward.

Bambalina
08-17-2011, 06:38 PM
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B

Latin
08-17-2011, 06:47 PM
signed

Latin
08-17-2011, 06:51 PM
Never mind. Im trying to pst in wrong thread anyhow. Lol
roflmao i ve done this so many times

Noa
08-17-2011, 06:54 PM
You can derive this data yourself by simply becoming a cam model on MFC.

And no, if the logic holds, then if x is how much a top 20 model made in 2008 and MFC grows at a rate that results 5 times that revenue now, then a top model should be making 5x to secure the same ranking.

Bambalina
08-17-2011, 09:13 PM
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Bambalina
08-17-2011, 09:39 PM
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Noa
08-17-2011, 09:54 PM
It's a direct correlation, not theory. And I'm not proposing a hypothetical - I'm drawing from direct evidence.

I have that evidence because I've been working the site. I can look at my earnings, I can see my rankings, I can calculate my averages, I can graph that shit on my spreadsheet, and if I'm bored enough, I can make pretty educated guesses on the site's overall revenue. Everything I'm looking at points to a very strong site with no signs of decline.

You can choose to dismiss what I'm saying - it's fine - but until you work the site, everything you say is grounded in guesswork. So... work the site. You'll have all the evidence you need.

Noa
08-17-2011, 09:58 PM
You realize that the 'top 20' concept is arbitrary, right? It doesn't signify anything. It's just a psychological device used to drive internal competition. There's no actual carrot on the end of that stick.

Regarding the drop-off, I don't see it. I make far more than I need within the first two weeks of every month. And I'm well behind the top 20.

But again, you can find this information yourself easily.

PrincessJenny
08-18-2011, 04:39 AM
aren't profits increasing on MFC?


I have only read a small part of this thread, but wanted to confirm, performers turnover has been gradually increasing for the last few months, cant comment on what they were last year but there is currently no overall decline on MFC.


Source: dp payroll, just under 400 members in total. Including top models.

Bambalina
08-18-2011, 06:13 AM
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ukmissy
08-18-2011, 07:09 AM
Jenny's figures are far from useless. Of course it's relevant that she's only talking about the last few months but a rise is a rise is a rise , maybe we can't see the difference between the rate of rise now and the rate of rise pre rule breaking - but we SEE a rise.

That can't ever be useless, because Bambalina, if the girls are making more money .... consistently ( which is info we CAN see from Jenny's figures ) , then your plight is going to be a very difficult if not impossible one. Girls and MFC owners, are not going to want to change something which is working for them right under their nose- however much ones hypothetical figures prove otherwise.

If anything, girls doing well on mfc, are going to rebel against the reform , in fear of losing money . When someone sees what they are doing working, it's going to be very hard to convince them they they're not doing it right.


''Lastly, I believe the very fact of signing up with Jenny will affect a models income. Firstly because if she is making $1000 per pay period, the day she signs up with Jenny, she must now make more to get her $1000 and make-up the percentage which goes to Jenny, and secondly becausse daily pay will DEFINITELY alter how you work. Get back to me in ONE YEAR Jenny, and remove all the girls who started DP within the last 90 days from your numbers, and I bet we'll see a decline.''

I really think Jenny has the sense to take this into consideration ;-) For a start , you'll be surprised at how many girls don't give much of a crap about the 6% and don't cover it by earning more . Also , Jenny doesn't have access to a girls earnings UNTIL she starts with DP , so Jenny can only monitor the increase % as a constant , so it isn't affected by the change over to Daily pay . When Jenny sees a rise in traffic and payments - there is generally a rise in business on said site - I know this from experience ;-)

And that is what most people's decisions come down to -- Experience ! Not down to hypothetical calculations or what if this change was made and this rule implemented . Most of us when we see a rise in our earnings , for better or worse ,we won't be shifted ;-)

Bambalina
08-18-2011, 08:33 AM
Hmm...you're right!

I see hundreds of threads looking through the archives on how MANY MANY MANY women are making MUCH less on MFC, and how there was just a BIG thread on the "summer slump" and so on, but that just doesn't cut it...

Either way, I had a huge epiphany today about this whole thing. And you know what?

I honestly don't care anymore. Since that last post up there...*poof* ...don't care. Honestly.

Girls can de-value themselves and every other cam-model on earth...and you all can defend that to the ends of the earth.

Giving away your main product for free is a bad idea. Supply and Demand is a reality, lowering the expectations and willingness to spend of your customers over the long haul is a terrible idea, ad breaking you word, and breaking rules you agreed to for the good of the site and the setting of a level playing field, is shady, wrong and cheating.

That's what I think, and I don't really care what others say about it. Since no-one really stays on topic much anyway.

It's all ok, I want to work on my sites and post about my interests in this business, and the MFC stuff takes too much time and is something I do for others more than for myself.

So, you uys get the last word. I'm done.

B

Noa
08-18-2011, 08:48 AM
PJ has the data. Listen to her.

Bambalina
08-18-2011, 08:58 AM
A> My being out "trumps" your being out, because I deleted our coversation, and honestly don;t care anymore.

Not being condescending, just bowing out.

B> If Jenny were to present her evidence, in a scientific manner, we could play. Otherwise, I have reasons to question said evidence.

(If you'd like to know what I mean Jenny, please ask in PM..I won't answer this thread anymore)

C> Nice way to nullify all the women who are experiencing a serious downturn on MFC profits. Go argue with them in their threads about how they are making more and just don't know it.

D> I showed that I have at LEAST ONE <1> person's data to use in my post up there, and also that I have access to model data...My data does not show what yours does, nor does it jibe with Jenny's.

E> I'm out. This post will cease to exist within 24 hours.

B

ukmissy
08-18-2011, 09:11 AM
If you bail out when people don't agree with you , there is little point in posting . I won't respond here to your response to my above post , because as you've already stated , you're out -

All the best with whatever you go for , and here's hoping my post didn't cause offense. I didn't think it warranted the sarcasm returned by you , but I guess again , I've somehow managed to upset you , and I apologize.

Missy .

ukmissy
08-18-2011, 09:12 AM
Assuming the sarcastic 'you're right ' , was aimed at me :-)

Bambalina
08-18-2011, 11:18 AM
Assuming the sarcastic 'you're right ' , was aimed at me :-)

No, it is aimed at all of those who have de-railed this thread. Posted stuff that wasn't germaine to the thread. Ignored every point but the one they feel like nitpicking, attacked the "Collective" and me personally, etc.

No problem with you. No sarcasm directed at you.

And honestly, I am just tired of the subject. Aren't you?

I'll revisit it someday, especially if outside efforts in this area come to fruition.

It is fine if some think I'm "crazy" because I choose to end involvement in something on a forum. But then, they probably don't have a 4 yr. old child, 3 web sites being worked on, a forum to tend to, a collective to run, several women to promote, etc.

So it just came to me, like a bolt of lightning. I am pretty much the only one who thinks this is worth fighting for, and who sees reality for what it is. I have done it before and been argued with and then people say "just like B predicted!" like I'm Nostradamus...when it is just OBVIOUS.

So, ok, everyone now knows my predictions, and my warnings...and pretty much, most on here don't care. So be it.

I fought the good fight. Done.

Love everyone...No hard feelings.
B

housewench
08-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Just popping in to say that when I first started on MFC (Feb or March?) I was making my minimum in my set amount of hours, no problem.

Money I have made since April?

500 tokens, mostly from one person as opposed to the 10-15 regular premiums I used to have. They're still THERE, they just dgaf. I haven't even made payout in 3 months. I made that one girl stop tipping me there because she and I both found it GROSSLY unfair that she would make my minimum by herself, and the guys sitting in my room got to watch. She could have booked SEVERAL indie shows with me for what she was paying me!

I will concede that I am not a popular model, nor am I on daily pay.

It got SO BAD SO FAST that I eventually started being there one day a week (starting in May, when earnings dropped to about 20-30 T A DAY TOPS and had settled there for over a month) and frustratingly enough, things have been slightly better. I MADE A WHOLE 50t this month!

Lunae
05-02-2012, 08:17 PM
Well, here's a chance for those who want to do something to do something.

Here's a petition to change the way MFC does business. To force them to take responsibility and not put the law enforcement burden on their camgirls.

A way to stop the free masturbation and maybe even put the Genie back in the bottle and take camming back to the days before FREE shows.

If you want to help there are a TON of ways you can. Some will follow in thsi thread.

B



another petition for the same purpose.

anastasia1988
06-20-2012, 09:01 PM
That is my email to MFC: they answered only the last of my questions ignored all the others...
Hello. Im now watching the rules for models. earlier I watched the models on the site. and I'v notices few things like...
you say:
1.NO masturbation, penetration, using sexual toys or devices, cunnilingus, or other Hardcore sexually explicit activity.
* I saw as a not paying member few models who do this kind of shows with sexual toys, toys penetration. wich makes me wonder why would a member want to pay if he can see it in the free chat?

2.Illegal drugs, or drugs that may be perceived as illegal in other locations. (e.g. Medicinal marijuana)
*I saw a girl smoking a bang. (marihuana) - I realy dont mind or care. but shouldet it be forbidden?

3.MyFreeCams.com allows the exchange of any kind of information between models and members, including e-mails, online messenger screen names; however, this information MAY NOT be used to provide webcam shows or receive payment outside of the website.

* once again many models members set a tokens price for private shows in skype- how that happends?

4.the last few questions-
do you record my shows?
can you use my video's or photos to sell them to members or to anyother place?
(Im not talking about thouse who can record it somehow) i mean if there is an option for members to record me from yore site? or to take pictures without my promition?

TeenageAnnie
06-21-2012, 03:25 AM
dont waste your time they dont care. yeah the models are all doing it for free, and the members just float from room to room watching the cumshows all day like a fucking documentary.. ie, they dont type and they dont even fap, they just like watching a girl fuck herself because its free so why not.,.. this site pisses me off beyond words. and i hate it because its the only site i make decent money on, but all i do is pvts and sell videos, fuck getting my precious bits out in free chat for all those ignorant basics. I wonder if there is someone out there who could make a script that could ban all the basics in 10 seconds.

cherryblossomsinspring
06-21-2012, 03:46 AM
^ Or the guy that spent $20.00 once over 5 years ago and wears his Premium Status a badge of honor while he comes in barking orders like he owns the place. If you have the pleasure of going into the lounge you will see all that is discussed and lets just say that they lie on models left and right calling models scams and thieves. I even tried to ask one guy who the model was but surprisingly he no longer knew her name and the original name he provided for his most recent complaint hadn't been logged in for 8 months. Goes to show it only take a few assholes to ruin your income because the guys were all talking about how they wouldn't go and spend in that model's room again. Not to mention how some look forward to being banned.

HaydenBlue
06-21-2012, 04:08 AM
Lol bumping bambilina threads.

Tsani
06-21-2012, 11:20 AM
Lol bumping bambilina threads.

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ThatOneGirl
06-21-2012, 03:17 PM
o.O

Oh god, the drama. I love it. Reading it, I mean, not participating. Even when I'm right about something, even a mediocre troll can cut me down in five seconds and leave me stuttering... "Oh yeah? Well... well... FUCK YOU BUDDY!"

Anywho. MFC. The petition. I actually signed the one that was mentioned by Lunae, because I, for one, seriously dislike the free shows going on. I guess I could say that it's none of my business, but it kind of is. I get people who come into my room and instantly leave because I'm not naked. I don't sit around doing nothing; I generally dance during my shows. It has the double benefit of being entertaining without nudity, and at least getting in a workout if it's a bad night for tips. Douchebags are going to be there no matter what. Even if NO model got naked in their free chat, people would be begging for it, and you're never going to keep EVERY model from breaking the rules, especially when you've got a few hundred to keep in check (with more coming in every week; someone mentioned the turnover rate... mmm... turnovers...).

It only kind of affects me, though. I should be able to attract and keep my own customers, and the fact that I can't attract tippers obviously says something about ME. Hell, maybe it IS because I don't get naked. I dunno. I assume there's something that I haven't caught onto yet that's holding me back. I rarely get Privates, though.

Um... okay I had a point to all this. OH! Okay, so the big reason that I dislike the rule-breaking is that there ARE rules. I'm kind of a stickler for rules, and MFC only enforces them selectively. You're not allowed to have men on your cam (I remember seeing something about a girl getting her account deleted because of a man SPEAKING off-cam), and you're not allowed to post links to competition; I can understand both of these rules, and they enforce them heavily. The "no nudity or penetration in free chat" rule is ALSO there for a reason; free chat is supposed to be a preview to get people to want to go Private or Group, and there are people who do even despite being able to get it for free, but there's also something to be said for the thought, why would they pay to get something that they can get for free? My opinion on all of this, however, should be taken extremely lightly, since I'm not very successful on MFC. People claim to love me and call me sexy and all that good stuff, but it's only Basics and the I-paid-$20-two-years-ago Prems who ever actually want to talk to me. It's like pulling teeth trying to get people to tip or take me Private. That's probably my fault though.