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SupaByoch
08-05-2011, 04:34 AM
Actually....The strip isnt all of Vegas and Vegas isnt all casinos, the tourist trap is a very small part of the city actually...Vegas really is a regular and very nice city outside of that area.



Actually, MarvelGirl is right; most movie theaters in Las Vegas ARE inside casinos. That is a fact. It's actually a little difficult to find one in the city that isn't in a casino, without driving a long way. There is one on the strip in the coke bottle mall, but that's a bit of a pain in the ass to get to.

But Las Vegas is a weird city and an exception to just about every rule. It just isn't like other cities, even other touristy cities. It's "special". lol

Arialandre
08-05-2011, 07:18 PM
Places I think should be kid free:

High class resturaunts. If there is no "kiddie menu", don't bring your kids. If there is candles on the table, don't bring your kids. If the silverware is REAL SILVER. Don't bring your kids.

Spas/expensive salons. If I'm spending $100 to get my nails done, I don't want to hear your children. I'm trying to relax. Squalling infants and obnoxious toddlers are not condusive to a relaxing atmosphere. Please have some respect for the rest of us. I really don't want kids around when I'm trying to "supa strippa-fy" myself.

First class. Get your children out of first class on airplanes. I pay double to go first class for a reason. I like that instead of plastic containers they give me real china. Instead of plastic sporks I get real silver wear. Instead of plastic cups I get a never ending magically refilled champagne glass. Please keep your kids away from my magic champagne glass. First class and business class is my happy special place. Where I feel safe and serene. Don't let your little bundle of joy ruin it for me.

I am in no way a kid hater, I swear to god I'm not. I adore my little nephew. But I also like the my bro is raising him to understand that there are adult places and kid places and if my nephew acts up in public he will get warned, then a smack on the bottom and then taken out of there if he doesn't settle the heck down. As a child I was taught that there were certain ways one behaved in public to keep things pleasant for everyone. People need to learn how to handle their dang children.

BlkSharpie
08-10-2011, 08:45 AM
Actually, MarvelGirl is right; most movie theaters in Las Vegas ARE inside casinos. That is a fact. It's actually a little difficult to find one in the city that isn't in a casino, without driving a long way. There is one on the strip in the coke bottle mall, but that's a bit of a pain in the ass to get to.

But Las Vegas is a weird city and an exception to just about every rule. It just isn't like other cities, even other touristy cities. It's "special". lol

I appreciate you not freaking out on me :D I promise I wasnt trying to come off as aggressive. I rather like Vegas and for awhile there thought of moving there...if anything I guess I was overly optimistic about it.

Its true, Ive only visited for work a few times, and my best friend lives there, so I only know what shes told me when it comes to local living. Ive also read many articles about Vegas being a good city for families outside of the tourist area...like I mentioned too...Miami has a bit of a reputation when in fact its a beautiful city with many areas that are great for families, so I guess based on all of that I had a misconception about Vegas being more than meets the eye.:-X

KS_Stevia
08-10-2011, 12:57 PM
awwww, I always like kids at weddings. Weddings are a family event anyway, and young kids tend to fall asleep or leave early w parents. I always have fun dancing w my friends little ones and think its odd not to include them at the proper wedding. There is always rehearsal dinner, and bach/bridal parties for adults only.

Grocery store: there are many, many far too annoying people at the store over kids. That's been covered. Kids are ok. I tend to try and avoid the ghetto grocery stores near me and drive a bit further to the ones in better neighborhoods. In the ghetto stores, moms have 8 kids running around, ramming carts into my ankle, and its just too much for her to control. I could make social commentary here, but will refrain.

Kids on airplanes. This is one area where I think they should take action. Like everything else, its not the kids fault that the parent won't hush them or change a dirty diaper. But its such a confined space for a long time, family section would be ideal.


Kids in movie theatres. No babies, please. and aren't there people working at the theatres who can remove patrons with loud children? They should be doing their fucking job, not making me have to say something, which I certainly will. I don't watch kids movies, and go to the theatre pretty late, there should be no reason for babies or young kids to be there.

Kellydancer
08-10-2011, 01:04 PM
awwww, I always like kids at weddings. Weddings are a family event anyway, and young kids tend to fall asleep or leave early w parents. I always have fun dancing w my friends little ones and think its odd not to include them at the proper wedding. There is always rehearsal dinner, and bach/bridal parties for adults only.

But when planning a wedding the couple needs to pay the same for their plate as they do adults. Also, many weddings get disruptive with kids running around bored, which many do. When I was a kid my parents never took me to wedidngs and it was expected I was not to be invited.

I'm talking the weddings at banquet halls. These are the weddings that are big in my family and the type without a doubt I will have. Now if it was a wedidng in a backyard or something like that to me that makes a difference.

KS_Stevia
08-10-2011, 01:28 PM
What are they disrupting? Its a party, aren't people dancing and being merry? Many wedding places have a separate place for kids too, with toys and coloring books and shit, don't they?

I know what you mean though. If I ever get married I'd like a casual family thing at a park or somewhere outdoors, but a honeymoon at a place that doesn't allow kids, lol.

Kellydancer
08-10-2011, 01:33 PM
They could be running around and throwing things not to mention being picky about eating. Places shouldn't have to offer places for kids to stay or things for them to do they shouldn't really be coming to the wedding if the parents think they need things to do. My parents always got a babysitter for me and my brother. This was never a problem until recently and I don't get why parents don't realize these weddings really aren't for kids. I don't know what I'll do if I marry about this, but I would resent paying for a whole bunch of kids I'm not close to, especially if it means people I really want to invite I can't now.

KS_Stevia
08-10-2011, 02:54 PM
Ok, you've put more thought into this than I have hehe.

The country where I'm from, people take their kids most places (not bars, etc), and they behave a lot better than in the US, on average.

Kellydancer
08-10-2011, 02:59 PM
That makes a big difference. In the US kids are often not well behaved and it's a problem. I blame the parents.

Laurisa
08-10-2011, 05:54 PM
I'm pretty sure that kids goof off no matter what country you go to. If you are a strict parent that enforces guidelines and uses corporal punishment, grounding, time out, and restriction of meals then I'm sure you will have the perfect child that doesn't even look at you without permission. But in reality, most parents are busy and aren't going to beat on their kids so that they never step out of line. Testing boundaries is part of being a kid.

And, there are plenty of well behaved children who are not beat or mistreated, and they are good because they have inner control and were probably taught manners. As stated before, there are a lot of children with disabilities (including ADHD) that can cause them to act out. The CDC estimates that 1 in every 150 children born in the U.S. has autism or another ASD/PDD-NOS. So I'm sure the overall rates for Downs Syndrome, ADHD, Bipolar Disorder, Depression, Schizophrenia, etc. are much higher. You run into disabled and mentally ill children more than you think.

KS_Stevia
08-10-2011, 06:12 PM
Trust me, kids in Europe tend to be better behaved. i've had plenty of time to observe it.

Laurisa
08-11-2011, 01:21 PM
"Well behaved" is a matter of opinion.

jimboe7373
08-11-2011, 01:50 PM
I'm pretty sure that kids goof off no matter what country you go to. If you are a strict parent that enforces guidelines and uses corporal punishment, grounding, time out, and restriction of meals then I'm sure you will have the perfect child that doesn't even look at you without permission. But in reality, most parents are busy and aren't going to beat on their kids so that they never step out of line. Testing boundaries is part of being a kid.Kids are DEFINETELY more well behaved in Latin America. As regards to your response to another poster, "well-behaved" is not a matter of opinion. A large number of US kids run around public places, yell and cry. In over 10 years of living in Latin America, I have not seen this happen once (unless it was a US family on vacation). It's not so much related to geography- US vs Latin America, Europe etc. It's the parenting techniques, the entertainment and the diet.

Kids in the US at one point were every bit as well-behaved, respectful and pleasant to be around in public as those we see in other countries today. I believe besides a different parenting style, the tv shows and video games hop the kids up and have altered their attention span and nervous systems. In addition, all the sugar and processed foods have amped them up. I think a majority of the ADHD, Bi-polar, Depression,Schizophrenia etc. are caused by unhealthy diet, lack of exercise and exposure to video games.

unbeleavable
08-11-2011, 02:17 PM
I don't know to much about kids in other countries & how they act but I have seen kids that are born in other countries run crazy here. It's all about the parents.

DesuvsDeath
08-11-2011, 02:53 PM
But in reality, most parents are busy and aren't going to beat on their kids so that they never step out of line. Testing boundaries is part of being a kid.
It's completely ignorant to act like parents having busy lives is an excuse for poor behavior in their children or that people with well behaved kids beat their children into behaving. ::)
If you're too busy to parent... you shouldn't have had kids.
There's no excuse why a kid is running around unsupervised like an animal slamming into people with your toy shopping carts at stores and pushing other kids down at the playground with no negative consequences. There's a difference between pushing boundaries... and teaching your kid that it's okay to be a bad kid by not moving to stop or correct such behavior.



The problem is that disabilities and behavioral issues affect a lot more children than may be immediately apparent. It's better to just wish those parents and their children the best than to be so worried about the quality of the silence during your $100 dinner.
I pity that those people don't have the common sense not to take a disabled child to a nice establishment where he's expected to sit still and be quiet... because it's really unfair to the child.
Of course I wish them luck in raising their child... but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be annoyed that they're disruptive and blatantly don't give a fuck about other people. Their lack of consideration for strangers isn't going to help their child's behavioral issues... because parents who show a complete lack of regard for strangers are teaching their children, disabled or not, that it's okay to be incosiderate and rude to the people around them if it suits their wants.
You can order food 'to go' from some VERY nice places... so they could just as easy enjoy a nice dinner at home where their possibly disabled child or child with behavior problems can scream and throw all the food he wants WITHOUT ruining the evening of everyone around them.





I honestly can't believe peo
ple would excuse this sort of thing as normal.
I was a kid once, too... and as I recall... the shit I see today... is not what was 'normal' when I was a kid.

Even the 1 in whatever number you want to pull out kid with a disability or disorder or problem DOES NOT account for the number of kids acting like heathens I encounter every day. These are normal, HEALTHY kids... with no issues running around doing whatever they want.

Laurisa
08-13-2011, 03:36 PM
^^If you went and re read my posts how many times did I say I would use common sense and not bring my son into a situation that he could not handle, seriously?

This thread is repetitive and you are ignoring what I have said.

People have a right to take their children where ever they want, so long as the content of the experience isn't harmful, dangerous, or neglectful. I pity people who think that they have the right to judge other people's parenting skills based on their children's behavior from ten feet away without even asking questions. Under your principles, then I should stay in and not be allowed to take my son to nice restaurants--which I have well earned several fucking times over. If I want to take him to a restaurant that is expensive, then I will, but I choose not to for his sake. Other parents might not feel that way, they may want to go to a nice restaurant with their kids--misbehaved or not.

You guys can speculate about this all you want, it's discrimination to ban children from restaurants. Whether it's done or not doesn't mean shit, it's still discrimination. If it was challenged in the American court system I'm willing to bet that it would be overturned and ruled discriminatory. Restaurants are public places that serve food. Everyone who eats food has a right to be there, even if they are noisy, misbehaved children.

Kellydancer
08-13-2011, 03:45 PM
My parents led a busy life with both of them working and involved in activities yet they still managed to discipline us. Using the excuse that parents are busy is a piss poor excuse. I agree with Desuvs, that if parents are too busy to discipline their kids they shouldn't have them.

When I was bad my parents took me out of where I was, including restaurants. My parents respected the rights of the other patrons to let them enjoy their meal or shopping without me being a brat. Sadly, I'm pretty sure this attitude that bratty kids are normal and shouldn't be disciplined has started with this generation where parents coddle the kids. I see how parents today spoil the kids, buying them everything including a car at 16. I didn't get a car at 16 and neither did any of my friends.

tempest666
08-14-2011, 08:09 AM
Some restaurants are kid appropriate. Last night we went out to eat at this upscale bistro and there was a screaming banshee in the corner. Avery's kids are the exception to the rule. :) I bet they're totally awesome to be around.

unbeleavable
08-14-2011, 10:04 AM
Yesterday I had to ask a couple forcefully to get their kids out of my office. The bastards were all over my stuff, sitting in my chair & playing. Its the parents...& they were from another country.

Vyanka
08-14-2011, 10:55 AM
Last night I went to a nice upscale restaurant, saw a few kids with families & I immediately thought about this thread. lol. I didn't hear a single peep out of them. Well behaved kids. Although, in a place like that I still wouldn't bring a child that young.

The noisey ppl were the group of drunken assholes talking real loud two tables next to us. I couldn't even hear much of what my date was saying, mind you he was sitting right next to me.

DesuvsDeath
08-15-2011, 03:16 PM
^^If you went and re read my posts how many times did I say I would use common sense and not bring my son into a situation that he could not handle, seriously?
I was never talking about you.
I was speaking of a hypothetical situation.


People have a right to take their children where ever they want, so long as the content of the experience isn't harmful, dangerous, or neglectful.
Sure. And I have a right to think those people are assholes and feel bad for thier disregard to their children's needs to scream and yell in an adult setting.



I pity people who think that they have the right to judge other people's parenting skills based on their children's behavior from ten feet away without even asking questions.
Try six inches away... screaming AT ME.
Try thrown food nearly landing on my purse.
I don't need to ask any questions to know that the child should be removed from that situation.


Under your principles, then I should stay in and not be allowed to take my son to nice restaurants--which I have well earned several fucking times over.
If your child is extremely disruptive... then no. Half of what you pay for in nice restaurants is ATMOSPHERE. If your child is disruptive to this, then they should not be there.
As I've said... There's nothing stopping you from ordering 'to go' and enjoying the food.


If I want to take him to a restaurant that is expensive, then I will, but I choose not to for his sake.
This is actually one of the points I'm trying to make. It's not fair for a child to be placed in this sort of situation.
Which is why any pity I feel is for the child whose parents disregard their child's needs... especially if the child is disabled.