View Full Version : This site should be private!!!!
h0ttie
08-10-2011, 03:17 PM
i like mzstars idea of just directly going into the room...
but instead of mentioning our name there,i think it should be some kind of set up secret question. kind of like how they ask for when you set up an email account (the security questions). everyone can pick their own secret question and answer and then have it asked to them. something that looks innocent....
an example of a set up question would be...
question: do you have any purple panties?
answer: no way i hate the color purple
once the girl said exactly "no way i hate the color purple" you would know it was her for sure
does this make sense? lol i hope you guys get what im trying to say
prettygreeneyes
08-10-2011, 03:22 PM
That's a good way to do it, h0ttie.
How would we do it for someone who is a former camgirl? Would we not allow them to participate or have them verify in some other way? On the one hand, I think it's better to only have people who know what's going on currently in the cam world, but on the other hand I would hate to turn someone away who could have valuable advice to share.
h0ttie
08-10-2011, 03:25 PM
That's a good way to do it, h0ttie.
How would we do it for someone who is a former camgirl? Would we not allow them to participate or have them verify in some other way? On the one hand, I think it's better to only have people who know what's going on currently in the cam world, but on the other hand I would hate to turn someone away who could have valuable advice to share.
hmmm thats a good question. do we even have any "retired" cam girls?
catgirl
08-10-2011, 03:34 PM
on another forum i am on, they have you email them from your model account (whether it's mfc/sm/sv/etc) that way they know it's a real camgirl. does this make sense?
prettygreeneyes
08-10-2011, 03:40 PM
hmmm thats a good question. do we even have any "retired" cam girls?
I'm not sure, I was just thinking about what we would want to do in case that came up.
h0ttie
08-10-2011, 03:42 PM
on another forum i am on, they have you email them from your model account (whether it's mfc/sm/sv/etc) that way they know it's a real camgirl. does this make sense?
ok this might be wayyyy paranoid of me but... i would worry that it was some crazy boyfriend of a girl that would be waiting for that message and then delete it before the girl even saw it.
KitanaBlades
08-10-2011, 04:13 PM
It is what it is....
I thought the same thing in the start of me being here...
but - I have learned a few things.
Share what you think is relevant and give your opinion on posts and there are just some things you don't broadcast here.
If you think that some of the cam custys aren't visiting here - wake up now and get off the cams.
I feel there is no point bitching about this when we ALL know what the risks of posting are here and what not.
Kudos for the concern and suggestions - but this is something we all have heard before. There's good and bad with it - so, meh.
Sorry for being so blah about this - BUT it is what it is.
I have emailed about becoming a paid member here to support SW and NO one has gotten back to me. There's options for it but apparently it's down.
Oh well - onward.
SarahTime
08-10-2011, 04:44 PM
I'm new to the forum but would like to continue to post with and get to know you fine ladies. I don't mind verifying, as you can see I use my regular photo and same screen name as I do when I cam (well, minus the 4u part). I have no problem with people knowing who I am. So if there is a private forum, or h0ttie's group I'd love to be in on it.
I also really have a hard time thinking that THAT many of my customers from streamate come here or google about cam girls. Most of them are just not that in depth about it. Yah I can see a lot of the MFC type of guys doing something like that, but in general I don't see the general customers going out of their way to find out or even care about what cam girls say in their off time.
And as for a subscription fee? Paid to whom? I wouldn't pay for a subscription, but I don't mind doing what it takes to verify my identity. I'll also refrain from asking too many questions or saying things that might "give away" too valuable of information. I think I've done pretty well with this so far, but either way I'll keep myself in check as everyone else is saying is needed.
:)
Lusty Laken
08-10-2011, 05:47 PM
I'm new to the forum but would like to continue to post with and get to know you fine ladies. I don't mind verifying, as you can see I use my regular photo and same screen name as I do when I cam (well, minus the 4u part). I have no problem with people knowing who I am. So if there is a private forum, or h0ttie's group I'd love to be in on it.
I also really have a hard time thinking that THAT many of my customers from streamate come here or google about cam girls. Most of them are just not that in depth about it. Yah I can see a lot of the MFC type of guys doing something like that, but in general I don't see the general customers going out of their way to find out or even care about what cam girls say in their off time.
And as for a subscription fee? Paid to whom? I wouldn't pay for a subscription, but I don't mind doing what it takes to verify my identity. I'll also refrain from asking too many questions or saying things that might "give away" too valuable of information. I think I've done pretty well with this so far, but either way I'll keep myself in check as everyone else is saying is needed.
:)
Hey girl! :) It's not really as much an issue of being newer to SW or camming. In my opinion, everyone who contributes to the site is equal. As for new models, any new model has the same chance of being successful as the next person.
It's more a factor of protecting the hard working model's profitability. It's the new ones who are lazy and want to find the money tree without any effort. The ones looking for easy answers on things such as where and what time to get the money.
Many newer members or new camgirls are genuine hard workers and just ask for advice on getting started, or need comfort from someone who can relate. That is completely different.
The information here is so helpful and the contributing members here are wonderful. I love to help others, and often need advice myself. I don't have 5 stars either, but I hope I can continue having the opportunity to chat with, share and help other models in which I can relate to.
SupaByoch
08-10-2011, 06:08 PM
I have to second the point that it isn't ever really private on the internet, so don't post anything ANYWHERE online that you don't want publicized.
I don't even use my real name on facebook, or any other public sites. I don't use my home address anywhere, EVER - I mean not ANYwhere.
I like the suggestion to use a group, but I totally disagree that we're calling for some "small town utopia". Please. We just don't feel it's good for business to have so much of our INDUSTRY info available for the WHOLE WORLD TO SEE, especially customers. You don't see other industry professionals blabbing all their industry secrets on open public forums, so why should we?
All for h0ttie's group being used for more camgirl discussions. But not all of us use sites with free chat or want to risk that kind of exposure on free chat. I'd be happy to use skype or send a link to my website and handwritten sign pics, whatever.
SupaByoch
08-10-2011, 06:11 PM
I'm new to the forum but would like to continue to post with and get to know you fine ladies. I don't mind verifying, as you can see I use my regular photo and same screen name as I do when I cam (well, minus the 4u part). I have no problem with people knowing who I am. So if there is a private forum, or h0ttie's group I'd love to be in on it.
I also really have a hard time thinking that THAT many of my customers from streamate come here or google about cam girls. Most of them are just not that in depth about it. Yah I can see a lot of the MFC type of guys doing something like that, but in general I don't see the general customers going out of their way to find out or even care about what cam girls say in their off time.
Oh yes, they most certainly do. Not all of course, but enough of them do to make it a concern for ALL of us.
SarahTime
08-10-2011, 08:13 PM
Oh yes, they most certainly do. Not all of course, but enough of them do to make it a concern for ALL of us.
I'm curious how it's known that masses of customers are coming to forums like this and reading what we say? I know that there has got to be some that do... but enough to be a concern for business? I totally see not wanting them to find out personal details etc tho.
I have been to camgirlnotes so I know about that... that hardly seems like the general population of customers that one needs to be worried about tho. Maybe I'm missing where this is a big concern in terms of money making? Or is the concern about safety?
roast
08-10-2011, 08:31 PM
SW's traffic & visibility is linked/discussed a few times upthread.
If you don't buy into the reasoning discussed or see the value add - then you don't buy into it, that's OK, others don't either
The group exists & thrives - it isn't theoretical, so if people see the purpose then verification is a great idea to group together folks who agree with the purpose. The rest of SW and CC & OW will still continue to be posted in constantly, it won't detract from the actual forum much I dont think, some will just feel more comfortable being more explicit in one area for whatever their own reasons might be. SW as a whole really won't be impacted much.
One thing I wanted to say is that verification should apply across the board - even if the person is posting underneath their stage name. Is it redundant, sure, but it is consistent. MzStar's idea is great also, didnt even think about free chat.
Not to overwhelm h0ttie though - if you need to delegate, let us know
SupaByoch
08-10-2011, 08:47 PM
^Not just that, but look at all the high traffic websites dedicated to ALL kinds of adult work, that are setup for customers and mainly frequented by customers. Stripper / escort review sites anyone? LOTS of those guys come here as well; it's been known for years. This is one of the oldest and most well-known communities for "us". I'm confused as to what makes anyone think our customers wouldn't read here. Sure they do - they just don't post much.
History has shown us that having all our industry secrets too openly displayed for customers to see has been detrimental to the stripping industry. The evidence of that is all over the internet. Why wouldn't it be the same for camming??
Also, a LOT of cam customers are either converted or "moonlighting" stripclub customers. Since they are already online checking us out (instead of in the clubs), it follows that cam customers would be MORE likely to "research" us online.
Finally, I can tell you that I personally have a lot of guys who basically follow me around online, and they know ALL about my life (as much as I reveal publicly anyway haha). They are fans mostly, and just like to know all about me. One of the unintended side effects of that is, when they learn "too much" they generally spend less. There is no one cheaper or more a pain in your ass than a disillusioned sex biz customer, believe me. LOL!
I am mostly concerned about having all of our industry info open to the whole world to read. Like I said, no other industry professionals publish all their insider info for everyone to read for FREE, so why the hell are we???
Like, does anyone think a group of doctors/dentists/cosmetologists/salespeople/etc would have an open forum where everyone can read them bitching about the customers with dragon breath and bad attitudes?? HELL NO. It would be bad for business! Same for us.
brownsugardoll
08-10-2011, 09:17 PM
Ok, I have no problem verifying myself prefer it done by appointed Mod the site Admins pick out. Also, I think if the verification happens they allow options to keep the verification cam name for just the Mod to know and if want to reveal to all members cam name can do that as well. In my opinion, I think it's fair options because some cam models may just prefer to be discrete about cam name and don't want to share with every single member only the Mod verify checks.
Lusty Laken
08-10-2011, 09:59 PM
I'm curious how it's known that masses of customers are coming to forums like this and reading what we say? I know that there has got to be some that do... but enough to be a concern for business? I totally see not wanting them to find out personal details etc tho.
I have been to camgirlnotes so I know about that... that hardly seems like the general population of customers that one needs to be worried about tho. Maybe I'm missing where this is a big concern in terms of money making? Or is the concern about safety?
Look through the forum honey. the money hungry and lazy ones hit certain threads. Average thread usually has 30-200 views. The ones with money making potential have about 15,000+ views and only 20-50 replies. It's common sense.
SarahTime
08-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Alright. I was just wondering where it came from, that's all. I used to be a fairly popular solo website model, so most of my experience comes from that end of the business with camming thrown in to compliment it. So I don't know any of the stripper perspective, and never paid much attention to camming further than making money until recently. I know that guys follow me around and try to gain info about me, I just personally have not seen it have an impact on my income or safety.
I don't doubt that customers read stuff like this forum, I just didn't know that it apparently made such a negative impact on our income. Maybe if potential cam girls come read this stuff, but customers? I wasn't aware.
vivianbear
08-10-2011, 10:13 PM
I'm also in the camp of if you don't like the fact that this is an open forum, find one that isn't. I would also prefer a more closed forum but like it was mentioned, its useless if its inactive. There are options but very few seem to want to go the extra mile and ACTUALLY verify themselves to gain access. Sounds silly to me. But hey, I'm on here because there's obviously more traffic and imput on the trade.
I would NEVER pay to be a member of an SW-based cam-group by subscription or anything else. I will NOT give my money to the owners of this site, specifically. That is all.
Lusty Laken
08-10-2011, 10:21 PM
I'm curious how it's known that masses of customers are coming to forums like this and reading what we say? I know that there has got to be some that do... but enough to be a concern for business? I totally see not wanting them to find out personal details etc tho.
I have been to camgirlnotes so I know about that... that hardly seems like the general population of customers that one needs to be worried about tho. Maybe I'm missing where this is a big concern in terms of money making? Or is the concern about safety?
If you were dancing in a club, and had your own unique way of hustling customers, would you want 280 other dancers start working at your club and hustling your customers and potentials, all because another girl at your club posted your location/best time to work/ and even your technique on a thread? I would think not. Many girls do not use common sense when using these forums, and I would hate to see how their common sense impacts their businesses. That is the problem. If you don't get it then maybe you should read and learn some business and sales skills. Most importantly if you had any survival skills, you wouldn't be asking these questions.
SarahTime
08-10-2011, 11:10 PM
If you were dancing in a club, and had your own unique way of hustling customers, would you want 280 other dancers start working at your club and hustling your customers and potentials, all because another girl at your club posted your location/best time to work/ and even your technique on a thread? I would think not. Many girls do not use common sense when using these forums, and I would hate to see how their common sense impacts their businesses. That is the problem. If you don't get it then maybe you should read and learn some business and sales skills. Most importantly if you had any survival skills, you wouldn't be asking these questions.
*DELETED* nevermind. I'm not even going to try and talk to you when you are so disrespectful for absolutely no reason.
Bambalina
08-10-2011, 11:49 PM
Ok, I don't have a dog in this race really...So I am going to try to post from that perspective.
I don't really like exclusive clubs. Opensource rules. I have a Camgirl Only section on CGU, but I don;t really hang out there, because I am just not that comfy with being "exclusive" and like much more being inclusive.
So, that said, if you have a club on here for Veteran posters and ABOVE ONLY, I would never join it. Because about half of my best friends on here who I enjoy talking with the most, are not Vets yet.
Secondly, I think the Cloak and Dagger, extensive verification procedures...well, they may be fun if you want to pretend we're in a spy movie, but I can think of 3 ways right now that many many men will get around them. If you can't figure them out...write me and ask in private.
Thirdly, as stated, doctors, cosmetologists and others have forums where they discuss things privately. NONE of those use cloak and dagger cam verification and skype and all sorts of other stuff. I can't even imagine a surgeon's forum asking for any kind of intrusive verification whatsoever.
What you want, is to make sure that "lookieloos" are not welcome to just hang out and read...Well, as a forum owner, I can tell you...Want to see 70% of the lookie-loos disappear? Gotta do two things...tell google not to spider the forum (one line of code in the header), and make the forum only viewable by registered members. DONE! That easy. Will that keep anyone out? NOPE. But will it get rid of tons of casual users who don't want to e-mail verify or sign up or take the time to have their IP recorded to an Official account? YEP!
See, I think Pryce has a forum that is EXTREMELY popular and really fun, BECAUSE it is OPEN and ON GOOGLE. So it draws people from far and wide. You feel the fun sense of camaraderie here BECAUSE of what this place IS, and yet you seek to then insulate yourselves from the very system that made this place awesome.
How odd...
Well, if that is what you want...you will NEVER get to 100% secure, and I think I can show anyone how that is true but would prefer not to explain HOW in public. But it is REALLY easy to get to 95%+ and that is all you need. Because anything else shuts out a LOT of women.
Indy girls, who cam only on skype, ex-camgirls, newer girls, girls who just discovered SW, but have been camming a while (So no Veteran), etc. Sounds like you lose a LOT of the variety and coolness that MAKES this place rock.
Anyway, just some stuff to think about. I think you should definitely do it and see how it works out, I just see it as logistically more trouble than it's worth thusfar.
B
SupaByoch
08-11-2011, 01:00 AM
Thirdly, as stated, doctors, cosmetologists and others have forums where they discuss things privately. NONE of those use cloak and dagger cam verification and skype and all sorts of other stuff. I can't even imagine a surgeon's forum asking for any kind of intrusive verification whatsoever.
Umm, no, those other organizations can just ask for professional credentials which are verifiable. Since we don't have that type of thing, we have to resort to other methods to verify a camgirl is who she says she is. It's not cloak and dagger and I personally resent that description being used in this context. It's just being smarter than the average wanker.
And you say elsewhere that having our customer-unfriendly talk in public is bad for business, then say that us making a more private place to talk is more trouble than it's worth. Kinda contradictory eh? Or is it more that you'd dislike that your clients who apparently mainly consist of newbies may not be allowed in the clubhouse?
Bambalina
08-11-2011, 01:53 AM
Umm, no, those other organizations can just ask for professional credentials which are verifiable. Since we don't have that type of thing, we have to resort to other methods to verify a camgirl is who she says she is. It's not cloak and dagger and I personally resent that description being used in this context. It's just being smarter than the average wanker.
And you say elsewhere that having our customer-unfriendly talk in public is bad for business, then say that us making a more private place to talk is more trouble than it's worth. Kinda contradictory eh? Or is it more that you'd dislike that your clients who apparently mainly consist of newbies may not be allowed in the clubhouse?
I didn't mean to create any resentment from anyone. I used cloak and dagger in a tongue in cheek manner, and expected it to be taken humorously...sigh...when will I ever learn?
I didn't say having a more private place is more trouble than it is worth, I said being all elaborate and intense about your verification procedures (which I wrote you privately EXACTLY how they will get around them) is waste of energy...
I just see it as logistically more trouble than it's worth thusfar.
Meaning the plan as you have it thusfar...not that NO plan for privacy can be good.
Not allowing anyone below Veteran will be lame, unfair and prejudiced, and locks out MANY good people...I have just as many friends here who are veteran and above as I have newbies, so I resent you giving me ulterior motives where there are none.
I just see it that if it is a CAMGIRL ONLY forum, that's fine, but admit upfront there are major possibilities for there to still be males there who are NOT camgirls, and that it is actually a "CAMGIRLS ONLY (who have been on SW for a long time and posted a lot)" group. I mean, call it what it is.
I consider h0ttie to be one of my truly good friends on here, and I love and respect her dearly, but I never asked to join the group, because when I saw it was Veteran and above, that just isn't for me. I'll talk to h0ttie on here and in CGU chat and such.
Personally, I stand by what I said...a forum with closed viewing (ie. Only registered folks) is better than what we have now, especially if it isn't spidered by google. But if you want something TRULY private, ask Pryce for a forum with a pre-specified Mod who is willing to do verification, and do a simple verification (pic and profile is MOST common) with some leeway for indy girls, or ex-camgirls, or whatever...and make sure everyone knows you are still not keeping out 100%, because if hey REALLY want in, they will find a way.
At least that is the most open to all camgirls, and is also honest about the reality of any verification procedure. I'd join that, because it won't seriously limit discussion or be prejudiced against any cam-model.
Lastly, I DO think that there should be places shielded at least somewhat from prying eyes and that we say enough which can be taken negatively about customers for SOME privacy to be a good idea...However, this thread went from making THIS forum private, to adding verification, to adding a membership FEE, to having a private moderated live verification only CLUB for ONLY the elite women on SW...You don;t see anything at all odd in that? To me it feels like little girls in the clubhouse giggling because "No Boys Allowed!" and making up passwords and shit...I'm sorry...Something simple in the OPs post became something complex, elitist, invasive, and honestly NOTHING like the original post...
Maybe I am crazy...if so...so be it...
B
roast
08-11-2011, 02:48 AM
I want to reiterate that verification in general is important. I'm not talking about the group anymore (if youre interested just contact h0ttie), I mean in general. I'm a broken record but I don't want it to get buried or overlooked since Im so verbose: It can't be clumsy verification that serves only the (anonymous) person doing the verifying. Don't let your concerns or intuition get discredited or condescended to.
If you're interacting with someone here or offline who is making you feel crazy for wanting thorough verification - assume they have a reason outside of it just being an inconvenience.
Some people have no interest in you and won't want to verify with you or trust you. That is fully acceptable, and hey I am right there with them generally. I don't verify with whoever asks, are you kidding. But if not one person knows who they are - well, ok then, whatever. Water under the bridge - not everyonewho posts online should have an autobiography. But if they claim to be a million amazing things, speak with apparent authority about stuff, and above all want things from you (even if it is just your trust): be smart.
Not to sound like a broken record but if they react to your inquiries as if you're going 'overboard' asking for verification... dump them & forget about it because it is probably bogus, self-serving or just not worth your time.
The only thing that most of us who are experienced agree on is that personal security and self-policing is important - if you're brand new, be wary of those who swoop down to draw you in. If you don't see more experienced people engaged in something - question it, don't just be cynical to be cynical. For example - I try to pay close attention to what vivianbear references (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=112330)because she has more knowledge around certain things and has been proven right - sometimes respecting someone's wisdom & shutting off your skepticism works to your benefit and safety.
Im not being vague just to be vague - most of what Im referencing has backhistories (plural!) here specifically and ways that Ive been duped. I don't even know all of them. There is one person who was wellknown here who was stealing another sex worker's identity for a long time.
Not a week or a few months: a loooong time. I was shocked. They seemed so real. But b/c I did not pay attention to those paranoid Debbie Downers: I never verified or even paid attention to inconsistencies.
I keep referencing Alexa Di Carlo because that is the biggest and most public story that everyone can reference. In that instance: experienced verified sex workers were calling her bluff for ages. Ages. "She" lashed out - threatened to expose people, put people in real danger* and was extremely patronizing about her need to verify (or offered really clumsy verification). Less experienced sex workers clamored to defend "her" and she basked in their adoration and protection. The more experienced sex workers kept trying to get people to listen to them but they were dismissed as being 'crazy' or 'jealous' or 'paranoid' or whatever.
Then - when more concrete evidence blew up, people felt betrayed and upset, and were only able to connect the dots in retrospect. The experienced sex workers who had been in the know the whole time tried to basically tell people to "be smart"
Sure Lusty saying the thing about survival skills was harsh but I get where she's coming from - so in the name of not spoonfeeding, I mean, just: be smart. When it comes to protecting your business, be smart. When it comes to not making yourself overly vulnerable to someone who just sucks (even if it is innocuous sucking): be smart.
For example - how do you know Im not some elderly male level 3 sex offender trying to throw you off of my scent? Unless we've PMed and chatted and verified, you don't. I could be here on some epic quest trying to groom unsuspecting college girls into sending me pictures of their pussy. It may come out of nowhere six months from now and sound like a perfectly sound project. I mean I've mentioned affiliates and content before. More importantly, you *know* me right? I post in SW at least once a day... sometimes I post really early in the morning, like 5:30am when most squares are up getting ready for work, because I uh uh uh have an early indy cam session! yea, that's it... so I just want to sell a zip file of camgirl's vaginas in my c4s store - itd be a total hit.... Ill send you some of the profit - what is your alertpay.... oh come on, Ive talked about being on c4s all the time.. you don't need the store number,, Id be worried you'll judge it! lol, it is under construction... plus itd take forever to have to skype with you. god don't waste my time and insult me like that, you're so paranoid... anyway Ive been verified by other people whose names I forget to write for you to ask... Im having a bad hair day anyways, lulz...plus my webcam broke even though Im a camgirl, ugh what a bummer right..... so let me explain to you how to take the best picture of your pus-
I mean, come on.
I wrongly accused someone who I PM with of being full of it and she took it in stride because she knows why sex workers are cautious.. because she is one. I was proven wrong and she had no reason to be defensive so she wasn't. It was quickly squashed with no incident.That is how it should go. If someone is fussy and 'insulted' or only wants YOU to verify, I mean, be suspicious.
(notice how I did not use a name in that anecdote? Weird right? So maybe, just maybe, that anecdote is total bullsh!t and should be something you remember to bring up when I ask for a picture of your pussy, ya dig? Be smart)
On the business side of things since I went on a tangent - remember when everyone and their mother was on AW? And talking about it nonstop? Then about 4 months later everyone complained that the prices were no longer competitive and they weren't earning? And PJ's DP business swelled so quickly that she had to keep closing registration? Did you see in one of the AW UK forums girls were like 'uh wtf at the influx of US profiles'. Now many of the dead profiles are of US girls?
Do you see how the posts about financial domination, fetishes, and what the most profitable clips on c4s & kinkbomb usually aren't answered in that much detail? There is a reason for that.
Be smart.
If it is more memorable - imagine an upside vivianbear avatar saying "be smart" instead of my burned meat or giantess avatar repeating it.
(*I mean literal harm since that person solicited escorts for services and went on a rabid campaign to out "her" accusers. But also hypothetical harm if they're giving you made up
advice, ask for your story or image, etc).
LAChloe
08-11-2011, 03:00 AM
I just had such a post written that I accidentally deleted and I am sooooooo pissed!
LAChloe
08-11-2011, 03:25 AM
Look, Bambalina- I like how you offered your site to host the group. When it was decided that h0ttie's group would host the group- it wasn't a good idea anymore.
Obviously, you don't think it is a good idea. That's cool. You've made your opinion known, now move on.
No one has said they don't want new girls. As long as you can verify to the standards that the majority agree upon, they are golden. However, it looks like the one criteria you must meet is that you must be a camgirl. I mean if it is a group for camgirls, why wouldn't it be?
Well you're not a camgirl so this has nothing to do with you.
I mean if a bunch of escorts in OW were going to have a private group, I would say, "more power to them" and move on. Same goes for the dancers and I have danced.
So my point is, why do you care? Why do you need to go on one of your manic tirades in this thread? Can you just leave it alone? Mind your business. Go write Leo more letters. Call CNN. Talk some more girls into sending you pics in their panties for "promotion" for your "panty website". Work on hustling more new girls (the ones that are your "best friends" on this site) into buying into your "big box camsite". Make up another new alias on SW because the ones you have so far are starting to get boring.
But we are going to have our own private group. It is 100% needed because of people like you.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-11-2011, 07:51 AM
Ok I deleted again I don't want her coming back in and derailing this thread.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-11-2011, 08:03 AM
Well I'm for 100% cam girl paradise with verification. I believe Bambalina created a site just like that so why would she be against that now? I never signed up but I recall going there and it requiring some form of identification. The only thing that could have gone wrong was that people stopped going and ended up returning here.
Bambalina
08-11-2011, 08:12 AM
Look, Bambalina- I like how you offered your site to host the group. When it was decided that h0ttie's group would host the group- it wasn't a good idea anymore.
Great..okee doke...fine. You're welcome.
Obviously, you don't think it is a good idea. That's cool. You've made your opinion known, now move on.
Obviously you haven't read what I posted very well. I think it's a GREAT idea, with flaws. I pointed out where I think it is flawed because I run a forum which has verification and I have seen how people try to sneak by. I have experience in this area and was trying to help.
I also think that changing the rules so camgirls don;t have to be Veteran status would be a good idea, and no-one has yet talked about that really.
Otherwise, I am, as was said earlier, very much in favor of not having cam-model business in the open, especially where it is negative toward people who might stumble on it. I am just for doing it smart.
No one has said they don't want new girls. As long as you can verify to the standards that the majority agree upon, they are golden. However, it looks like the one criteria you must meet is that you must be a camgirl. I mean if it is a group for camgirls, why wouldn't it be?
The group has had a rule that you must be Veteran Status or GREATER to get in. Are you aware of that? That has never, in this thread or elsewhere I have seen, changed. So, YES, people have said they don't want new girls. You are incorrect.
A few folks in here said ex-camgirls would be welcomed. And what about Indy cam-models, male cam-models, etc.?
Well you're not a camgirl so this has nothing to do with you.
Why would you SAY this? Why do you perpetuate a lie? I am asking you to retract that statement. It is absolutely NOT true.
Once again, I do NOT have a *camming* account on SM and MFC, although I DO have accounts in my name on both. That much is true. However, I still cam for my old regulars on fairly regular basis, and I also cam for a few new customers as well. So you have NO RIGHT to judge whether I am a camgirl or not.
Again, you are lying and I ask you to retract the statement.
So my point is, why do you care? Why do you need to go on one of your manic tirades in this thread?
I see this as a personal attack, and I will not respond with drama. I will instead write the Mod as I am supposed to and let her know the drama is being started.
Can you just leave it alone? Mind your business.
Are YOU a mod here? Do you have the right to tell me what I can and can't post?
Whatever I feel is my business, IS...it's a free forum, and I didn;t say anything offensive, I just posted my opinions.
Go write Leo more letters.
Rude, and I have never been so to you.
Call CNN.
Ditto.
Talk some more girls into sending you pics in their panties for "promotion" for your "panty website".
Work on hustling more new girls (the ones that are your "best friends" on this site) into buying into your "big box camsite".
Useless slander. and Baiting. I won't bite.
Make up another new alias on SW because the ones you have so far are starting to get boring.
Whatever the hell this is about, come out and say it. I have ONE name on here, and if you believe I have others, NAME them and we'll let the mods see about it. I am sick of insinuations and BS being spread about me. And I am going to work to prove it wrong and then you can all eat your words.
Till then...I have just as much right to be here as YOU. And just as much right to say what I think, as YOU.
So back off. Ok?
But we are going to have our own private group. It is 100% needed because of people like you.
How incredibly personal and rude.
B
Fridays
08-11-2011, 08:13 AM
its all about the money and people are going nuts already. wow
watch when its going to be a "private" forum like that..the "friendships" and " groups" that are going to start will kill the vibe.......
We cant even decide on a small verification process?
THIS IS WHY THE WORLD IS RUN BY MEN!
( sorry had to yell that one out..)
Hottie, be a top bitch already and verify us however you feel fits.
And lets get it going............
ShellyConnors
08-11-2011, 08:23 AM
This is starting to become a trainwreck. Just as roast mentioned before, everybody was on AW then it all died out. Just as Pryce mentioned before, every few years some folks decide that it's time for a private forum, but it all dies out. Just a few weeks ago the hottest topic was Party Chat, now those threads are dying out. When the whole camgirl IDs being released scandal popped up, that was the hot topic, but sure enough it died out (and what was the final outcome by the way)?
Now all I see is more of the same... Bambalina did say before that we were shooting ourselves in the foot by giving out all of our secrets, but it turned on deaf ears. Why now is everybody and their mama causing a major uproar about the same things? Is this place so full of "herd mentality" that it takes somebody creating a bandwagon to jump on before deciding to wise up?
There have been threads for ages about "what clubs are the best", "what sites are the best", etc... only now is EVERY single thread like that ripped to shreds. It's like, laughable. The women in this industry who already know through trial and error where the sweet spots are, the great hustle tips, etc... already know enough not to tell.
Everybody knows about Bambalina's forum, other cam forums, etc... but they are slow and not as vibrant as this place because nobody wants to go there and when they do go, they don't stay.
I predict that by the end of August/mid-September at the latest, nobody will even be talking about this anymore. I think the biggest lesson to be learned here, whether the herd flocks to a new forum, a new group, whatever... is what roast and viv have said "be smart". You take that with you anywhere you go and you'll be better off. I mean that "you" collectively.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-11-2011, 08:27 AM
Yes I'm ready too. I think my problem is the condescending tone from Bambalina that bothers me. She has many great points but she gets in a thread and appears to talk to people as if they're on all fours. And that "Sigh" comment is probably the worse. I'm really not surprised someone posted something again calling her out.
Firstly and most importantly, even though I state this quite often and it feels sort of sad to have to repeat myself again and again....
B
Ok, first thing. Re-read what I said. I said MFC was dying and would be dead (not down) in about a YEAR, and if I'm wrong it will be possibly 6 MONTHS longer...ie 1 year and 6 months. .
Sad that this is the conclusion you came to.B
Sigh...OLD news here.
It's something I noticed in the last week and said hmm does this make people feel better? Or will they get the response from people they are hoping for? I still tried to over look it but a few more special responses from her and I was like ok that's it. Time to move on to other threads because I'm tired of the bickering and she seems to be at the head of it in the last few weeks.
Bambalina
08-11-2011, 08:53 AM
Yes I'm ready too. I think my problem is the condescending tone from Bambalina that bothers me. She has many great points but she gets in a thread and appears to talk to people as if they're on all fours. And that "Sigh" comment is probably the worse. I'm really not surprised someone posted something again calling her out.
It's something I noticed in the last week and said hmm does this make people feel better? Or will they get the response from people they are hoping for? I still tried to over look it but a few more special responses from her and I was like ok that's it. Time to move on to other threads because I'm tired of the bickering and she seems to be at the head of it in the last few weeks.
Well, please, imagine this...you start a thread about changing MFC, and you post a couple times, and you don't start any trouble, you just post your ideas.
Then you come back like 36 hours later and the thread has grown 60 posts, so you get excited. Only when you get there, Nico-n-Justine have been attacking you in like 3 or 4 consecutive posts...when you weren;t even defending yourself...and those attacks are about something completely off-topic and have very little to do with the thread you posted.
Now, add to this that people say "you have NOTHING to do with MFC", and you correct them, and 3 or posts later, someone else says "you have nothing to gain since you don't make money on MFC" and you correct them, and then the first person comes back and says it again...
Now a new thread starts and a new discussion, and quickly along comes someone who has attacked you ad nauseum before...and she says "You aren't even ON MFC"...Now, how frustrated would you be at that point? I mean, I read your post before you deleted and made this one instead. And if it, you talk about me fighting a fight from the sidelines. So how many damn times do I need to say I earn a good portion of my income, off of DIRECTLY being paid in my name, from MFC. I have an account on MFC and I am paid by MFC and I make a large chunk of my living from MFC.
Now, since I have said that SEVERAL times, I don't think it condescending in the LEAST when I act as if people AGAIN saying crap that is a LIE about me and WRONG are not listening.
Secondly, most people think it is fine when someone says people should search something before asking a question, or that they should know something pretty darn sure before asserting facts. Right?
Well the "One token hurts camscore on MFC" has been discussed time and time and time again. I mean it has been dispelled like 10 times or more in the last year alone. And the argument went on for like 3 or 4 posts at least...I mean, sheesh...look it up...and so I "sighed"...sorry that offended you and you found it so condescending.
And there is a HUGE difference between going out to the club and it being "dead" (ie. No-one there, no fun, boring) and it being shut down (closed and no longer in existence). That was the difference I was trying to get at. It *seemed to me* that she thought I was saying MFC would not be there and you'd like get a 404 when you went looking for the page.
And lastly, the "Sad that was the conclusion..." line was meant in seriousness and NOT in a condescending way at all. I find it very sad that women on here cannot make groups work for them. I wish they could. It literally makes me feel sad.
Now, I am done explaining myself, this thread has been thoroughly de-railed to talk about Bambalina...and why? Am I not allowed equally to give my opinions? Do I hold a gun to anyone's head? I am not stopping anyone from doing anything, saying anything, being anything...so why should I be told to "Move On" because my opinion differs?
B
Fridays
08-11-2011, 08:59 AM
Its a beautiful day today...
The sun is shining....
It really is...
BustyAmeera
08-11-2011, 09:06 AM
Its a beautiful day today...
The sun is shining....
It really is...
Indeed it is a really nice day. I am sitting in my office with the windows open, wishing that I was outside and enjoying the sun. Unfortunately I am sitting here working. But next week I will be out!
Bambalina
08-11-2011, 09:24 AM
Indeed it is a really nice day. I am sitting in my office with the windows open, wishing that I was outside and enjoying the sun. Unfortunately I am sitting here working. But next week I will be out!
I'm in Florida, and it's HOT...however today is crafts day in the park I'm in, so I am going to take my beautiful son and do some crafts...I think they are doing popsicle sticks today...
Mwah! Love y'all, and see ya laterz..
B
cherryblossomsinspring
08-11-2011, 09:27 AM
Ok Bambalina I got that. I removed my thread because I didn't want this thread derailed. I felt ok let's stay on topic. And yes you said you have an account on MFC but do you cam there yourself? Not as a premium or as a basic or as a studio but as an actual model that logs in and does privates, group and free chat for tips? If not then that's what I mean by side lines.
Also I never said you were not entitled to your thoughts. My only issue was how you responded to others in threads . The whole "sigh" thing you do is like saying " are you dumb? well since you don't get it ......here let me explain.....and then you go into your details of explaining to the dummies.
You put up alot of information in threads and several on top of several threads. So obviously if I'm camming all the time I'm not going to necessarily have all day to read through them all. I just wanted a one sentence answer and instead I received " a few of those lovely comments above", which just wasn't necessary.
Now the whole going down vs dying. Well last time I checked people typically don't die standing up nor do they get buried in the sky. So my "going down" = your "dying". There was really no need to come back and say I some how got what you said wrong. But again I disagree as I did in that post. Primarily why I responded in the first place was because of that tone you took with Friday's post stating " Sad this is the conclusion you came to".
Again it's all about money so how exactly do we have so much time to talk about not making money in the future when apparently we're on here not making money now.
Wow and to think I was saying don't drag Roast into some debate on another blog when here I am as the bumbling step child. SMH...
Ok so what was this thread about again?
cherryblossomsinspring
08-11-2011, 09:30 AM
Yes it's a lovely day today! Let's think about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and maybe having some iced tea with a dash of lemon. Hmmm so soothing.
BustyAmeera
08-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Peace and loveeeeeee lol
*hugs everyone*
kballar
08-11-2011, 09:48 AM
As a brand new camgirl I would like to offer my opinion (as if it matters lol). First, I'd like to say that some of you obviously don't care for one another and that's fine. BUT, I think for the good of us all ... if "personal" beef/attacks whatever should be hashed out through private messages or what ever. It should not be so obvious to the casual observer who dislikes whom because on various threads some seem to zero in and only openly disagree one person repeatedly. If you don't like Bamb or whoever that's personal and has nothing to do with the said topic at hand. As for the topic, you all are absolutely RIGHT. Not 1 of you has disagreed as to the need for some sort of validation and security. So proceed on that note. On the flipside, as a newbie you ALL have been a Godsend! I researched camming for months before finding SW. And boy am I glad!!! Had you guys not been googable lol, I would have been fucked royally!! Most of the available info I found was from... pimp ass studios! And if not for you guys that would have been my first pitfall. I had no idea of what a studio was etc. Also Id like to thank you guys for giving me first hand knowledge of what this career is ACTUALLY like. Its like... learning a trade in school and then going to work and realizing all that training was bs and WISHING you had talked to someone actually DOING the job so that you would have known what you were actually getting into. Again, THANKS. Somethings just shouldnt be discussed. My Mom tells me to NEVER discuss how much I make period. I think in her day it was like "taboo". Anyways saying all that to say... You all have been a blessing to me in avoiding pitfalls that would have screwed me. BUT, I don't even read so much into "how is traffic today" or "what do YOU do in private" etc and I think that sort of info should be refrained from. But, the camraderie and support here is what is of utmost value and importance!! And I feel that should be the focus. Don't tell EVERYthing but remember the ladies you save from pimp studios stealing food out our kids mouths etc. Again, I thank you ALL and DON'T need to be spoonfed and please keep in mind some of your criteria to join said "groups" like veteran status would shut someone like me out and Id feel even more disenfranchised than I do now. :( lol
kaiarose
08-11-2011, 10:16 AM
Once AGAIN you ladies have turned another thread into a bitch-fest... bravo! I don't even know if I should hand out infractions or not, hmmm... I will be re-reading this thread and dishing out points as I see fit. Everyone needs to start playing nice in the sandbox.