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whirlerz
08-23-2011, 07:52 PM
I be a buinny collector..luvs dem.
As for hating me, eh. Some are cool, some arent'.

sammii
08-25-2011, 09:07 AM
I'm not a stripper; I used to cam, but I do dislike most men. I've heard too many disgusting fantasies to trust any of them. I've had so many guys openly gawk at me in public, try to hit on me, etc. Of course, I always put them in their place.

Luckily, I have the most amazing, wonderful SO. He has a great personality and he's smoking hot.

skwadim
08-25-2011, 10:13 AM
Luckily, I have the most amazing, wonderful SO. He has a great personality and he's smoking hot.

.. and he never hit on/openly gawked at you... before knowing you I mean?

sammii
08-26-2011, 01:39 AM
^^ I'm 20 but I look 16, and I usually get guys in their 30's and 40's hitting on me. I find this extremely offensive since I look underage. It's actually uncommon for a guy my own age to hit on me.

I guess I made the exception for my SO because as soon as I saw him, Hallelujah bells went off ... okay, not literally, but he was so hot that I couldn't resist.

Davey17
08-26-2011, 04:25 AM
^^ I'm 20 but I look 16, and I usually get guys in their 30's and 40's hitting on me. I find this extremely offensive since I look underage. It's actually uncommon for a guy my own age to hit on me.

I guess I made the exception for my SO because as soon as I saw him, Hallelujah bells went off ... okay, not literally, but he was so hot that I couldn't resist.

Sammmii ......... Not sure that that is a fair exemption ! lol lol
You cant blame all on an entire Gender because you say you look 16 years ( and therefore its imoral in your view ) ...And then make an exception .

Its black and white ..Either Imoral in your view , for all or not !!

Im sure you may look young ..but you could also easily be your ( Actual ) Age , so I hardly think you can justify it as Imoral . Take it as a compliment .. Man at 40 , I sure wouldn't be trying to score with a 16 year old ..But I well remember a couple of 20 year olds .

Anyhow ...I think its quite natural , Im sure you probably intimidate the young guys with you Beauty .. I see this happen all the time , and can vaguely remember that thought when I was early 20s , Its much easier with a bit more experience .

sammii
08-26-2011, 02:49 PM
I'm not going to take 40 year old men hitting on me as a compliment ... it would be really weird and gross to date someone so close to my parents' age.

Kellydancer
08-26-2011, 03:21 PM
I'm not going to take 40 year old men hitting on me as a compliment ... it would be really weird and gross to date someone so close to my parents' age.

It's sick to be honest and I wouldn't have been flattered then just like I'm not flattered when a60 year old man flirts with me now. Gross.

sananeko
08-26-2011, 03:28 PM
I hate morons and rude people. The list is longer but it doesn't matter if its a man or woman.

Jay12
09-08-2011, 10:52 AM
I'm pretty sure women hate men about as much as men hate women.

Does that answer your question?

Basically...

CherryonTop
09-19-2011, 09:29 PM
Stripping opened mmy eyes up about men and women equally. I dislike the majority of both, but tolerate most because I'm too lazy to use up energy avoiding/hating etc.

I won't tolerate gossiping, lying or manipulation though, regardless of gender - this shit will get you on my 'avoid/kill/maim' list... Haha.

snowcake
09-19-2011, 09:38 PM
I'm a gay girl, and TBH I can't stand most guys - the only guys I hand out with are the shy, geeky ones. Pretty much all other men end up annoying me.
It has nothing to do with dancing really, I was always like that.

Kellydancer
09-20-2011, 11:50 AM
I'm a gay girl, and TBH I can't stand most guys - the only guys I hand out with are the shy, geeky ones. Pretty much all other men end up annoying me.
It has nothing to do with dancing really, I was always like that.

I'm straight but those are the only types of guys I generally date. I despise the big burly jolly types of men and will bolt upon meeting one because they repulse me so much.

that.guy.in.la
09-20-2011, 03:58 PM
^^ I'm 20 but I look 16, and I usually get guys in their 30's and 40's hitting on me. I find this extremely offensive since I look underage. It's actually uncommon for a guy my own age to hit on me.

I guess I made the exception for my SO because as soon as I saw him, Hallelujah bells went off ... okay, not literally, but he was so hot that I couldn't resist.

Sammii - everyone is entitled to feel the way they feel and if it bother's you that is certainly valid; OTOH I do think it's hard to control who and what someone is attracted to, although, a person should be able to control how they react.

I do think there is a difference between a 30 - 40 year old hitting on/drooling over a 20 year old who looks 16 as opposed to appreciating a beautiful girl.

I'm curious, when you say you made an exception for your SO because he was hot, does that mean he was older?



the only guys I hand out with are the shy, geeky ones.


I'm straight but those are the only types of guys I generally date.

That's me! Shy, geeky and above all, respectful of any girl INCLUDING dancers I meet - I work with computers/servers and I'm a gamer who also likes to party and has disposable income - a dancer's dream! ;-)

Brandi_Lynn
09-20-2011, 05:18 PM
Strangely, enough it was my romantic experiences & outside life w/ men that made me hate them -not because of stripping. My experiences in the club are much better.

Men =fucking & money, that's it

firemaiden04
09-20-2011, 05:33 PM
I just hate people in general...stripping's got nothing to do with it.

But anything that a man has ever done to me that was remotely bad did NOT happen through stripping...it was all guys I'd met IRL that pulled that shit. Anyways, if I don't hate men even after my ex beat and raped me, I'm not going to hate them just cause some douchebag is getting mouthy and grabby in a lap dance.

Hopper
09-20-2011, 06:34 PM
sadly this industry has led me to believe 95% of men have some sort of icy soul that is really just looking out for number 1.

That describes some dancers, some of whom openly admit it here. Can't say what percentage but probably not 95%.


And Im talking about being cut-throat. Like lying and cheating to get ahead. As in spending an entire LD telling me about how much you love your wife and then offering me $5K to sleep with you... meanwhile their wife is at home being their mother and giving everything.

Many married men do use prostitutes. I bet his wife would be only slightly less unhappy if she came home and caught him touching you while you danced for him naked on her couch. I don't approve of married men using prostitutes (I'm also not fond of prostitution in general) but I find it a little contradictory that strippers see nothing wrong with married men spending money on themselves in their clubs (possibly 5k) but disapprove of them spending their wives' money on prostitutes. I realize asking a stripper for paid sex is disrespectful to the stripper. It's not part of her job description. It's like offering any other strange woman money for sex. But some customers probably think that if a woman strips and does high-contact LDs for money, there's a chance she will have sex for money too, if the price is right. It's sleazy and offensive but I wouldn't say "icy".


I doubt many women behave this way. They are caregivers.

Yes women are caregivers but then again many women divorce their husbands after the house is paid off solely to take everything they have, including the children, with the backing of the family courts. Some of them have this planned before they even marry. They know how easy it is. That's more cut-throat than spending 5k on hookers.

femmefatale88
09-21-2011, 12:19 AM
I don't hate men at all. I really like them. Why else would I choose to entertain them??
I already knew how men are like, their weaknesses, etc before I started dancing. They are just human, they can't help it. Beautiful women are very tempting. I knew what I was getting myself into and I dig it - stripping allows me to take advantage of that male weakness.
I've never been dominated by or hurt by, raped or beat by a man. My current man is crazy bout me and I'm in love with him as well. We have a great relationship. The guy before him was a total wuss and I stepped all over him. I kind of think men are wusses. But I still like em

strippername
09-21-2011, 12:25 AM
The guys I dislike would be the same if they had a vagina. I dislike people based on a few things, but am not hateful. Penis or vagina doesn't make a difference. I am pussytolerant, but prefer cock. You can blindfold me and stick a big one in my face and I'll do whatever I have to do to to get it off. So, no, I don't hate men--says a stripper turned escort. :) Using cock doesn't mean I hate it, right?

Sapphire1987
09-29-2011, 06:13 AM
It's more like, I'll withhold my hatred of men until they open their mouths and act like assholes. But really most of the time They disgust me. But I give the guys the benefit of a doubt first-because some men aren't so bad. But generally they are. I have to say I'm more suspicious at first than anything else. LIke "I bet you're an asshole who cheats on his wife/girlfriend/etc. Please, Prove me wrong." IDK if that makes sense. It sounds kinda contradictory, but it's not.


On another note: Some of the worst are the guys who come into the strip club and then won't tip or buy dances out of "respect" for their female s/o. Then why are you even there?! /threadjack

^ this exactly x

Incantatious
09-29-2011, 11:36 AM
I respect those who respect me, male or female.

Blanket generalizations on account of gender is stupid and pointless. I have nothing against a woman who doesn't dance or doesn't cam or whatever. As long as she doesn't bitch about me being "immoral" or "a dirty hoe" or whatever. It's all cool. :)

Happy2BSpoiled
10-21-2011, 10:59 PM
Okay, I'm late on this post, but I find the question interesting.

Within the first month I started dancing a man said to me, "you seem like you really like men or is it just an act?" I said, "what do you mean?" He said, "I thought all dancers hated men." I laughed and said, "no, of course I like men. This would be a hard job if I didn't."

Years later I realized what he meant. You hear all the time that a woman is a gold-digger, but it is normally the man that goes from club to club looking for a certain girl. Showering her with gifts and money, asking her out...sometimes for years. Then if they go out and get serious the woman was just after his money. Even if he was chasing her and begging her to go out.

Another thing...a man will go into a club and sometimes spend hundreds to thousands of dollars a month on a girl. Lots of times when they have a wife and children at home. While a girl may be working to support her children or put herself through school. The funny thing is the guy doesn't think less of himself for being in the strip club, but when it comes right down to it they think less of the girl for working and making money there. Many doctors and executives say they could never be married to a girl who works in a club, but they don't see anything wrong with their wife or girlfriend being with them while they are in the clubs on a regular basis.

Sorry, double standards just floor me.

Hopper
10-22-2011, 01:49 AM
Okay, I'm late on this post, but I find the question interesting.

Within the first month I started dancing a man said to me, "you seem like you really like men or is it just an act?" I said, "what do you mean?" He said, "I thought all dancers hated men." I laughed and said, "no, of course I like men. This would be a hard job if I didn't."

Pointless question. That answer could just be part of your act.


Years later I realized what he meant. You hear all the time that a woman is a gold-digger, but it is normally the man that goes from club to club looking for a certain girl. Showering her with gifts and money, asking her out...sometimes for years. Then if they go out and get serious the woman was just after his money. Even if he was chasing her and begging her to go out.

There is still the possibility that she said yes just to get his money. However, she would probably already be getting more of his money by not going out with him.


Another thing...a man will go into a club and sometimes spend hundreds to thousands of dollars a month on a girl. Lots of times when they have a wife and children at home. While a girl may be working to support her children or put herself through school. The funny thing is the guy doesn't think less of himself for being in the strip club, but when it comes right down to it they think less of the girl for working and making money there.

I don't think less of girls who strip, and I go to high contact clubs. I buy dances from them because I think they are attractive. That means I think more of them, not less.


Many doctors and executives say they could never be married to a girl who works in a club, but they don't see anything wrong with their wife or girlfriend being with them while they are in the clubs on a regular basis.

Sorry, double standards just floor me.

The reasons for that are often that those men can't bear to have a wife who strips for other men and that they are afraid of what others would think about them being married to a stripper, or what people would think about their wives stripping. The second reason is understandable, since for the same reason most strippers themselves don't tell other people they strip. Neither of those are the same as thinking less of the girl for being a stripper.

yoda57us
10-22-2011, 08:31 AM
Many doctors and executives say they could never be married to a girl who works in a club, but they don't see anything wrong with their wife or girlfriend being with them while they are in the clubs on a regular basis.

Sorry, double standards just floor me.

The thing you have to remember is that there is a level of self-importance that many doctors and other higher-up executive types reserve for themselves that is truly of epic proportions. Folks in this upper stratosphere of egomania truly believe that they are better than the rest of us. In their world they are the kings and the rest of us are there to serve them. It doesn't matter if you are a dancer, a waiter, a valet or anyone else that they lump into the category of subservient. Seriously, I know escorts who won't see assholes like this even though they will often pay double and tip on top of that!

Their wives or girlfriends or on the "inside". The rest of us are on the outside...

Kellydancer
10-22-2011, 12:27 PM
The thing you have to remember is that there is a level of self-importance that many doctors and other higher-up executive types reserve for themselves that is truly of epic proportions. Folks in this upper stratosphere of egomania truly believe that they are better than the rest of us. In their world they are the kings and the rest of us are there to serve them. It doesn't matter if you are a dancer, a waiter, a valet or anyone else that they lump into the category of subservient. Seriously, I know escorts who won't see assholes like this even though they will often pay double and tip on top of that!

Their wives or girlfriends or on the "inside". The rest of us are on the outside...

Very true. Anyone with power will often lord it over others. This is why I generally avoid these types of men while dating because they are like this. I've seen this with anyone who's been to the top of their field. I've seen this with a popular rock band I've met and politicians as well.

Kellydancer
10-22-2011, 01:01 PM
Many married men do use prostitutes. I bet his wife would be only slightly less unhappy if she came home and caught him touching you while you danced for him naked on her couch. I don't approve of married men using prostitutes (I'm also not fond of prostitution in general) but I find it a little contradictory that strippers see nothing wrong with married men spending money on themselves in their clubs (possibly 5k) but disapprove of them spending their wives' money on prostitutes. I realize asking a stripper for paid sex is disrespectful to the stripper. It's not part of her job description. It's like offering any other strange woman money for sex. But some customers probably think that if a woman strips and does high-contact LDs for money, there's a chance she will have sex for money too, if the price is right. It's sleazy and offensive but I wouldn't say "icy".

It's not contradictory at all because spending money on a dance is NOT the same as prostitution. Besides not everyone here does or has done high contact. I happened to have worked in low/no contact clubs where many of the acts mentioned have never happened to me.

I've had married customers but I generally put them in three categories: those looking for sex, those having fun, and those going through a divorce. The guys who were married and looking for sex really upset me. I put myself in their wives shoes and felt sorry for her. I generally despised these men because to me they were disrespecting their wives. The guys looking for fun some would ask for sex, but for most it was just a fantasy. I've even met a few of these wives and they had no problem with their husband getting dances because it meant they were faithful to them. The third kind were perhaps the saddest because they were lonely guys and usually just needed someone to chat with. These guys often asked me out but it was never about sex, just someone to hang out with. Interesting to note that out of the hundreds of bachelor parties I've done, only at a handful was I asked to offer sexual services to the groom (I declined). The majority were guys who loved their fiancee and were either not interested in me at all or were ogling me but no interest beyond that.

I am often asked if I would want to marry a man who frequents strip clubs and I always reply no. Yes that sounds hypocritical but the reality is I've seen many of the cheating husbands and I am leery. Also, many of the clubs are high contact and would consider a guy getting a lap dance (not air dance)cheating, along with him touching someone else. I would hope at his age he got all of his wild oats out of his system.

floridamail
10-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Definitely way more. We see their true colours come out. Their animal instincts, rather. I honestly believe that, given the opportunity, 99% of men would cheat. Just a lot of them are too lazy or not conventionally attractive enough to attract their physical ideals.

I would just be thankful you get to see their true colours so you aren't naive. Just remember that good men do exist, you are just more fine-tuned for weeding the bad ones out!

Not sure what "conventionally attractive"is! I wear brand name jeans with bootcut tailored to my demands and button down shirts is that it?

Incantatious
10-23-2011, 08:28 AM
Perspective from a cammer:

If I hated men, I would hate my clients.
If I hated my clients, I'd hate my job.
If I hated my job...

What would be the damn point in me keeping it?

I love my job and I love doing it well. I love getting better and finding new inspiration.
I love pleasing my clients. I love building my regulars.
I love that a regular can come home from a sh*te day at work and have his time with me, and I will listen to him, take his needs seriously, shower him in sexual energy and satisfy his fantasies.

I confess, I am new to this, but this is a position I plan on firmly holding onto.
If it quickly fades (as some, I would bet, see as inevitable), I wouldn't keep the job.
I wouldn't keep this job if I stopped treating my clients like human beings, or started 'hating' them.

I do see the free users in my room as money, yes - however, when they enter my paid chat and reveal more to me about themselves, their fantasies and / or they get on cam with me to show me themselves (and no, I do not ridicule small penises, the same as I don't ridicule small tits), they become human to me.

There is an incredible satisfaction I get from knowing I've really brightened up a guys night.

yoda57us
10-23-2011, 08:42 AM
Very true. Anyone with power will often lord it over others. This is why I generally avoid these types of men while dating because they are like this. I've seen this with anyone who's been to the top of their field. I've seen this with a popular rock band I've met and politicians as well.


So true! In my business I deal with "talent" ranging from doctors and corporate mucky-mucks to television and movie personalities to rock stars both actual and wanna-be. They are all capable of being dickheads when it comes to dealing with us normal folks...

On the other hand, some of them can be great to work with. Unfortunately, you never know who's gonna show up, though some DO have reputations that precede them...

skwadim
10-23-2011, 09:23 AM
Perspective from a cammer:

If I hated men, I would hate my clients.
If I hated my clients, I'd hate my job.
If I hated my job...

What would be the damn point in me keeping it?


Well, I think one can "hate" their clients as people, but be totally cool with them as sources of income.

Hate might be a strong word here, maybe it wasn't the best word to use in the post title, one can not be too fond of their clients but happily take their money.

Maybe 'have no respect for' is a better terminology to use.

Most women I've talked to anecdotally that work in this area of "sexual fantasy fulfillment" whether it be stripping, "camming", or even phone sex to some degree, wouldn't want their husbands/boyfriends doing it, not so much because they 'hate' them for it, but because it's expensive and I think at a subconscious level they lose a bit of respect for them



I do see the free users in my room as money, yes - however, when they enter my paid chat and reveal more to me about themselves, their fantasies and / or they get on cam with me to show me themselves (and no, I do not ridicule small penises, the same as I don't ridicule small tits), they become human to me.

There is an incredible satisfaction I get from knowing I've really brightened up a guys night.

I don't know much about how this works, but this is kind of ironic, you see the free users as money, but once they've paid you, you see them as more than money? So they've got to give you money to not be seen as money?

yoda57us
10-23-2011, 09:42 AM
I don't know much about how this works, but this is kind of ironic, you see the free users as money, but once they've paid you, you see them as more than money? So they've got to give you money to not be seen as money?

Not ironic at all, it's basic sales 101. When a guy walks into a car dealership every salesman in the room sees him as a potential sale. The free chat room for a cam girl is the same thing. It is her opportunity to pitch the guy, same as a guy sitting alone in a strip club. He's a potential customer or "money" as well.

If they do end up spending then it is a sale that's been made. "More than money"? Well yeah, he's now a customer instead of a prospect...

Incantatious
10-23-2011, 10:44 AM
I don't know much about how this works, but this is kind of ironic, you see the free users as money, but once they've paid you, you see them as more than money? So they've got to give you money to not be seen as money?

Pretty much. - yoda57us has it down.
Those in free chat remain "potential" until we go private; I don't entertain for free. I'll teasingly 'showcase' my assets, and if he's taken by the aesthetics and attitude, we get down to business. Once a private paid chat is initiated and the money is going in, they stop being fleeting 'window shoppers', curious guests or potentially demanding freeloaders, and become paying clients who are interested in my services.

skwadim
10-23-2011, 10:45 AM
Not ironic at all, it's basic sales 101. When a guy walks into a care dealership every salesman in the room sees him as a potential sale. The free chat room for a cam girl is the same thing. It is her opportunity to pitch the guy, same as a guy sitting alone in a strip club. He's a potential customer or "money" as well.

If they do end up spending then it is a sale that's been made. "More than money"? Well yeah, he's now a customer instead of a prospect...

Incatatious implied "more than money" in the sense of being a human being with an emotional history, fears, dreams.. not him being a customer vs prospect. Ie they're revealing more about themselves.

Secondly, while there are parallels between stripping, etc and other sales jobs like cars, houses, etc, whether you or other people admit it or not, there ARE distinct differences based on sexual nature of the "service" being provided. That affects the nature of the "pitch" and the nature of the 'relation'

Kellydancer
10-23-2011, 11:18 AM
So true! In my business I deal with "talent" ranging from doctors and corporate mucky-mucks to television and movie personalities to rock stars both actual and wanna-be. They are all capable of being dickheads when it comes to dealing with us normal folks...

On the other hand, some of them can be great to work with. Unfortunately, you never know who's gonna show up, though some DO have reputations that precede them...

I've met with some very down to Earth people but yes the dickheads make it rough. For instance I met the lead singer of a popular British rock band. This guy has a contempt for everyone not like him and has said some nasty things, like Americans and politics (which I won't get into because politics are no talk). He has called fans fat and just a nasty guy. The funny thing is his band were a top band, still do ok, but not where they were but he still acts like they are.

Not just him but I've met people who have gotten to the top of their profession and most were jerks. I avoid these guys unless I need to deal with them. I would never hang out with them or date them.

yoda57us
10-23-2011, 12:29 PM
Incatatious implied "more than money" in the sense of being a human being with an emotional history, fears, dreams.. not him being a customer vs prospect. Ie they're revealing more about themselves.


Really? How do you explain this...


Pretty much. - yoda57us has it down.
Those in free chat remain "potential" until we go private; I don't entertain for free. I'll teasingly 'showcase' my assets, and if he's taken by the aesthetics and attitude, we get down to business. Once a private paid chat is initiated and the money is going in, they stop being fleeting 'window shoppers', curious guests or potentially demanding freeloaders, and become paying clients who are interested in my services.

yoda57us
10-23-2011, 12:32 PM
Secondly, while there are parallels between stripping, etc and other sales jobs like cars, houses, etc, whether you or other people admit it or not, there ARE distinct differences based on sexual nature of the "service" being provided. That affects the nature of the "pitch" and the nature of the 'relation'

I don't disagree but that has nothing to do with the post you and I responded to...though you may have seen it that way....

There are a lot of things that make dancing different than any other sales job but, at it's essence, it is still a sales job and the distinctions between a prospect, a customer and a time-waster still apply.

Kellydancer
10-23-2011, 12:46 PM
Basically the idea of sales jobs (including dancing)comes down to this: People buying product (lap dance, etc)means I make money, which means I can eat and pay bills. People wasting my time means not only that I didn't make money from them, I may have lost a potential client. I am tired of many guys thinking that dancers are there to party or whatever. Nope, most are there to make money, like anyone else. Does anyone think other sales people are doing what they do for fun?

Skai
10-23-2011, 01:20 PM
Humans actually don't have instincts. All of our behavior is learned, and any gender differences (not physical) are due to socialization.

floridamail
10-23-2011, 01:34 PM
It's not contradictory at all because spending money on a dance is NOT the same as prostitution. Besides not everyone here does or has done high contact. I happened to have worked in low/no contact clubs where many of the acts mentioned have never happened to me.

I've had married customers but I generally put them in three categories: those looking for sex, those having fun, and those going through a divorce. The guys who were married and looking for sex really upset me. I put myself in their wives shoes and felt sorry for her. I generally despised these men because to me they were disrespecting their wives. The guys looking for fun some would ask for sex, but for most it was just a fantasy. I've even met a few of these wives and they had no problem with their husband getting dances because it meant they were faithful to them. The third kind were perhaps the saddest because they were lonely guys and usually just needed someone to chat with. These guys often asked me out but it was never about sex, just someone to hang out with. Interesting to note that out of the hundreds of bachelor parties I've done, only at a handful was I asked to offer sexual services to the groom (I declined). The majority were guys who loved their fiancee and were either not interested in me at all or were ogling me but no interest beyond that.

I am often asked if I would want to marry a man who frequents strip clubs and I always reply no. Yes that sounds hypocritical but the reality is I've seen many of the cheating husbands and I am leery. Also, many of the clubs are high contact and would consider a guy getting a lap dance (not air dance)cheating, along with him touching someone else. I would hope at his age he got all of his wild oats out of his system.

"I am often asked if I would want to marry a man who frequents strip clubs and I always reply no" Kelly,flip the coin,would I want to marry a woman that works at a dancers club?

Kellydancer
10-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Well, I don't work at clubs anymore so for me the question is moot. However, I do know many men who would never marry a stripper and I tell them hey whatever works for them. I will say though that when I was actively dancing I did have men reject me for this. I didn't get it then but sort of do now.

yoda57us
10-23-2011, 01:49 PM
"I am often asked if I would want to marry a man who frequents strip clubs and I always reply no" Kelly,flip the coin,would I want to marry a woman that works at a dancers club?

It's not really tit for tat. Kelly's (and other dancer's ) reason for not wanting to marry a guy who goes to clubs is because they see men cheating first hand. Men cheat for pussy, women dance to earn a living.

As for what you ("I") would want. Well, only you can answer that...

floridamail
10-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Well, I don't work at clubs anymore so for me the question is moot. However, I do know many men who would never marry a stripper and I tell them hey whatever works for them. I will say though that when I was actively dancing I did have men reject me for this. I didn't get it then but sort of do now.

I think your close to something that horrifies women --STIGMA. Sadly many men hold misconceptions about the profession that you where in such as the idea that you rode to many of the hot guys. Men always look over the pasture searching for a sweet little dumpling that can bear their children and run a household,mother nature aint always kind.

Kellydancer
10-23-2011, 02:54 PM
I think your close to something that horrifies women --STIGMA. Sadly many men hold misconceptions about the profession that you where in such as the idea that you rode to many of the hot guys. Men always look over the pasture searching for a sweet little dumpling that can bear their children and run a household,mother nature aint always kind.

Well, I wouldn't want a guy who would expect that out of me so good riddance. Nope, didn't ride ANY guys at the clubs. I've never done anything close to that. Luckily most men I have met don't care about any of that.

Kellydancer
10-23-2011, 02:56 PM
It's not really tit for tat. Kelly's (and other dancer's ) reason for not wanting to marry a guy who goes to clubs is because they see men cheating first hand. Men cheat for pussy, women dance to earn a living.

As for what you ("I") would want. Well, only you can answer that...

Once again Yoda on the mark. I have seen so many married men ask me for sex that it has made me very aware of why many (not all) men go to clubs. Now with many clubs being more open to extras I would be even more leery of this.

Happy2BSpoiled
10-23-2011, 04:22 PM
The thing you have to remember is that there is a level of self-importance that many doctors and other higher-up executive types reserve for themselves that is truly of epic proportions. Folks in this upper stratosphere of egomania truly believe that they are better than the rest of us. In their world they are the kings and the rest of us are there to serve them. It doesn't matter if you are a dancer, a waiter, a valet or anyone else that they lump into the category of subservient. Seriously, I know escorts who won't see assholes like this even though they will often pay double and tip on top of that!

Their wives or girlfriends or on the "inside". The rest of us are on the outside...

You make a very good point! I dated those type of men before I started dancing. While I was dating a Cardiologist I lost my job. Women were always flirting with him and I have not trusted men very much. I didn't want to depend on him and mentioned I had heard dancers make good money. Kind of joking, kind of not. He said, "no don't do that we could not date or get married." I found him cheating on me and started dating a VP at the next corporation I worked for. I found him cheating on me as well. I got mad and said screw men! I'm going to dance! The guys always told me they would never go to strip clubs, they were gross. Funny how I saw them there after I started dancing.

I loved dancing. I loved hanging out with men all day. One time a man asked me why I dance and I told him it was the best job in the world. Men come in with a bad mood and leave happy. He reply, "Yeah, you are such a saint." I thought that was crappy, but that was what I liked best about the job.

I dated a couple customers and ended up dating one for ten years (exclusively, so I thought). We were engaged a couple times, but I know he looked down on me for dancing. I found out he also cheated on me the whole time. After that I realized to not be so naive. I really thought we connected and had a lot in common.

Now I try to see men in a different light. Don't get me wrong. I still like men, but I try to see things through their eyes. I even look at women differently now. I use to love to watch the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. I thought about trying out, but my mom always would talk bad about them saying they just wanted attention. I would laugh when I was dancing and think I wonder what my mom would think now...knowing very well what she would think. Now when I go and see dancers at sporting events I realize they are there for the men's entertainment, not for the women too. We get big fat guys with rolls to look at dancing at basketball games and men get cute, young, almost naked girls.

I am not a bitter woman. I just see things differently now and try not to be as naive as I once was. I would still love to dance and hang out with guys. I think it is fun. I just wish guys didn't judge us for wanting to do the same things they like to do...have fun and mingle. Although, I agree with the "I don't want to buy you, just rent you" theory. I would rather make lots of money from many different guys then rely on one for everything. I also don't believe the "it's more respectable to get naked for men for free then to do it for money." I only dance for people I have a connection with. That is what makes us different from prostitutes. I choose or agree. I don't just do it with anyone. So what's wrong with making a living at it if it is okay for a housewife be taken care of by one man? We both make men happy and they make us happy.

Sorry, didn't want to get on a soap box. Just wanted guys to know why some girls start to feel differently after dancing. I think it just opens our eyes to things we never notice before. I know people think girls only do it for money. We do challenge ourselves to make as much money as possible, as many people do in their jobs. It is really a great feeling to be able to pay your bills and support our children after struggling to make ends meet with no child support. Sometimes it goes deeper than that. People say it is abusive or destructive to women. Honestly, being a single parent was destructive and dancing gave me strength and confidence.

Anyway, thanks

Happy2BSpoiled
10-23-2011, 04:43 PM
Pointless question. That answer could just be part of your act.



There is still the possibility that she said yes just to get his money. However, she would probably already be getting more of his money by not going out with him.



I don't think less of girls who strip, and I go to high contact clubs. I buy dances from them because I think they are attractive. That means I think more of them, not less.



The reasons for that are often that those men can't bear to have a wife who strips for other men and that they are afraid of what others would think about them being married to a stripper, or what people would think about their wives stripping. The second reason is understandable, since for the same reason most strippers themselves don't tell other people they strip. Neither of those are the same as thinking less of the girl for being a stripper.

Hopper,

I agree that we really don't know what each other is thinking. I guess the important thing is to not worry about it, enjoy yourself and make sure you are only doing what you feel is comfortable no matter their intentions.

I appreciate your post.

Happy2BSpoiled
10-23-2011, 05:16 PM
Perspective from a cammer:

If I hated men, I would hate my clients.
If I hated my clients, I'd hate my job.
If I hated my job...

What would be the damn point in me keeping it?

I love my job and I love doing it well. I love getting better and finding new inspiration.
I love pleasing my clients. I love building my regulars.
I love that a regular can come home from a sh*te day at work and have his time with me, and I will listen to him, take his needs seriously, shower him in sexual energy and satisfy his fantasies.

I confess, I am new to this, but this is a position I plan on firmly holding onto.
If it quickly fades (as some, I would bet, see as inevitable), I wouldn't keep the job.
I wouldn't keep this job if I stopped treating my clients like human beings, or started 'hating' them.

I do see the free users in my room as money, yes - however, when they enter my paid chat and reveal more to me about themselves, their fantasies and / or they get on cam with me to show me themselves (and no, I do not ridicule small penises, the same as I don't ridicule small tits), they become human to me.

There is an incredible satisfaction I get from knowing I've really brightened up a guys night.

I truly believe some women feel this way! I am one. It is a great feeling when you see you have brought joy to someone's life. You will find those that you thought you had a mutual bond maybe say something out of character for that feeling or maybe do something that will surprise you. Just remember that is their problem and not yours. Just be careful not to put others before yourself trying to be too nice because it can hurt you in the long run. Good Luck with your business.

Skai
10-23-2011, 05:43 PM
Sammmii ......... Not sure that that is a fair exemption ! lol lol
You cant blame all on an entire Gender because you say you look 16 years ( and therefore its imoral in your view ) ...And then make an exception .

Its black and white ..Either Imoral in your view , for all or not !!

Im sure you may look young ..but you could also easily be your ( Actual ) Age , so I hardly think you can justify it as Imoral . Take it as a compliment .. Man at 40 , I sure wouldn't be trying to score with a 16 year old ..But I well remember a couple of 20 year olds .

Anyhow ...I think its quite natural , Im sure you probably intimidate the young guys with you Beauty .. I see this happen all the time , and can vaguely remember that thought when I was early 20s , Its much easier with a bit more experience .


I get this all the time and whenever a gross man gawks or hits on me, I look at him like I am disgusted by his behavior. If he keeps doing it, then I get offended because his attention is obviously unwanted.

lokikola
10-23-2011, 05:50 PM
I wouldn't say I hate men, but I am certainly disillusioned by them.

Finding out stuff about my dad disappointed me so much, it hurt a lot and to this day I still resent him. I lost respect for him and again, to this day I don't respect him as I should.

My ex husband, huge disappointment, hurt me very much. I married this kid because I thought hey, nice, naive, Iowa guy with a hot ass Mexican chick that all his friends drool over.... he'd never cheat on me! Wrong.

I just see the worst in men nowadays before I see anything worth taking a second look.

rickdugan
10-23-2011, 06:26 PM
The thing you have to remember is that there is a level of self-importance that many doctors and other higher-up executive types reserve for themselves that is truly of epic proportions. Folks in this upper stratosphere of egomania truly believe that they are better than the rest of us. In their world they are the kings and the rest of us are there to serve them. It doesn't matter if you are a dancer, a waiter, a valet or anyone else that they lump into the category of subservient.

Wow, when did this become a class warfare thread? :P

Honestly yoda, I think that this is both far from universally true and vastly simplified.

First, many guys struggle with the concept of their SOs dancing in a club, regardless of their income. The difference, however, is that most dancers with SOs dance because they still need the money. This is simply not the case with a guy making a very large paycheck, so it should come as no surprise that he would have no interest in his SO dancing on or for (or both) other men in a strip club.

Second, many of these guys work in very sensitive environments and if it comes out that they are married to strippers then it could severely fuck up their careers. I can tell you, point blank, that in my last employment, before starting my own company, that it would have created serious - and potentially career ending - problems for me. Now it would not have been a big deal if she had danced before we were married, but if it came out that I was married to a girl who was still stripping then no guy that I had to deal with in my particular space would have taken me seriously. I would have been the pussy who, despite what he was making, had a wife that was crawling on other men for money.

Most industries and/or communities are very small, so it should come as no surprise that guys who are being paid a great deal of money and who are held to higher personal standards as part of those gigs might be a bit cautious in this regard.

yoda57us
10-23-2011, 07:19 PM
Wow, when did this become a class warfare thread? :P

I don't see where it has. Are you trying to make it one?


Honestly yoda, I think that this is both far from universally true and vastly simplified.


I never said it was universally true nor am I overly simplifying anything. It is, I admit, a simple opinion but I do stand by it. There is nothing all that complex about bad behavior since po' folk are just as capable of acting like dickheads as rich ones are...

To be honest my post was really not taking direct aim at rich powerful men who won't marry a dancer. I couldn't care less. That being said, spending money on a dancer while looking down your nose at her is, as far as I'm concerned, arrogant and absurd.