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miss.adventure
08-21-2011, 09:20 AM
^I do feel bad that this "particular model" is being singled out, that is why I haven't used her name in any of my posts. She is not here to defend herself, I do not know her, nor have I seen a show of hers. Hell, I don't even know what she looks like. But what I do know is that ALL of us in the adult industry need to be prepared for any and all ramifications of what very well could be a major set-back in our industry if certain behaviors aren't curbed. Especially during an election year.

roast
08-21-2011, 11:31 AM
good point about that slippery slope Noa, didnt think about it that way

naughtycammer
08-21-2011, 12:13 PM
Please. An adult working legally in a private room of the home while the door is locked and the child is not in the room and another responsible adult is caring for the child is fine. Is CPS going to take away the child of a married couple having sex in a locked bedroom while their child is asleep? lol.

miss.adventure
08-21-2011, 12:27 PM
Please. An adult working legally in a private room of the home while the door is locked and the child is not in the room and another responsible adult is caring for the child is fine. Is CPS going to take away the child of a married couple having sex in a locked bedroom while their child is asleep? lol.

I do think this idea is quite ridiculous myself, and in all of my posts, this thought was not even part of the equation. I'm just worried about a group forming, similiar to MADD or something to scrutinize every aspect of our work. I could be paranoid, but I don't see bad behaviors in free chat or open rooms going on forever without some right wing conservative group forming to "put an end to it" (or at least try) Maybe it will never happen, I hope not...but it's always better to err on the side of caution ;)

bubblegumbitch
08-21-2011, 12:47 PM
I do think this idea is quite ridiculous myself, and in all of my posts, this thought was not even part of the equation. I'm just worried about a group forming, similiar to MADD or something to scrutinize every aspect of our work. I could be paranoid, but I don't see bad behaviors in free chat or open rooms going on forever without some right wing conservative group forming to "put an end to it" (or at least try) Maybe it will never happen, I hope not...but it's always better to err on the side of caution ;)

I could so see that happening and I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it did...this industry is already under a microscrope as it is...i understand about being ballzy and throwing caution to the wind but going to the legal extent to where you are putting others in your industry at risk is not ballzy but stupid....there are far better ways to get creative, still bank and make a name for yourself w/o walking that line.

Glasses
08-21-2011, 12:51 PM
Please. An adult working legally in a private room of the home while the door is locked and the child is not in the room and another responsible adult is caring for the child is fine. Is CPS going to take away the child of a married couple having sex in a locked bedroom while their child is asleep? lol.


It depends I think. In my country sex work is totally legal. Prostitution, pornography shooting at home, web cam sex etc = legal. But not in a house where a child is present. Noone cares if the doors are closed or not. Nothing counts. If you have a child you have to rent a different apartment for the sex work or they DO take away the child.

Married couple having sex is normal and accepted by the whole world. But making money of sex & masturbating is considered as harmful for a child's emotional and personality development so that must not be done in the same house where the child is whether doors are locked or not.

Fridays
08-21-2011, 03:12 PM
if ur a stay at home mom, husband is paying all bills and provides for u and the baby AND u have sex with said husband ( lol) , u are making money off of sex haaa!:P

HerRoyalHotness
08-21-2011, 03:48 PM
It's even funnier because guys google her name and she is making MONEY of threADs like this. Guess who's laughing all the way to the bank? Not the girl that's posting for free on stripperweb. Agent99 needs to create a member site.. I'm sure half of her subcribers would be from stripperweb. Cute!

bubblegumbitch
08-21-2011, 04:07 PM
if ur a stay at home mom, husband is paying all bills and provides for u and the baby AND u have sex with said husband ( lol) , u are making money off of sex haaa!:P


god...so fucking true...i need to post that on my facebook, hahaha!

Bambalina
08-21-2011, 04:09 PM
I have said since the beginning of the ill-fated MFC Rules debate that I think one of the TOP reasons for the following of rules is that every state has a prosecutor or state attorney. It is an election year (for THOSE officials) and every state has some laws against pornography getting into the hands of minors.

Now, one can quickly find these laws and see, as in one of them I posted in the MFC thread, that they include language that is broad enough to include tube sites and MFC, or the pop-ups with open masturbation that SM has used. ALLOWING a minor to see, or being in a place which can reasonably be frequented by minors. My points were attacked by mis-direction to COPA which was the Federal Law which was struck down and therefor makes it nominally legal to do cam shows in public at the Federal level.

None of this takes into account STATE laws...(Some of you DO live in STATES, right?) as well as FCC rules on pornography and where it can and cannot be aired. And since the newest round of laws which included Net Neutrality have been passed, the FCC rules have MUCH more jurisdiction over the internet.

How many of you who work MFC have seen people come in and SAY they are underage? I know some of you have, because I have NEVER worked with a girl for more than 6 months that didn't have this happen. I have also seen it in other rooms. So, before you say that anyone can say anything and those people are probably adults...All a State Attorney would need to prove is that there is a reasonable chance for underage people to be present.

Secondly I was asked about why they would go after MFC as opposed to tube sites. Well, tube sites are offered protection against this sort of prosecution, because their USERS are responsible for the videos on the site, and not the webmaster. So most prosecutors hesitate to go after the lengthy trail of the mostly anonymous users by IP address and so on. None of that exists in the realm of MFC where one injunction/subpoena would release the names of all models who are on the site from any given state, and allow legal action to be taken against them on the state level.

Either way, I see Agent 99 as just the tip of this iceberg, and I believe that toning down is going to be too little too late. Our industry is going to be painted as one who "doesn't care if children see hardcore pornography" and it will forever make everything harder for cam models.

And for those who say the "kids" on MFC who say they are 12 are just lairs...watch MSNBC busting pedophiles for coming to meet adults, and read Perverted-Justice, and then think about a State Attorney in YOUR room saying they are 12 years old.

I believe it is a matter of time, and if we don;t get incredibly lucky, it will be before the 2012 election...where pressure mounts to DO SOMETHING! about internet porn and kids, and MFC and SM continually get worse and wose in what they allow to be seen in un-portected, un-verfied, un-credit-carded space.

B

Bambalina
08-21-2011, 04:23 PM
Also, for those who never REALLY considered it...Here is the text of the Supreme court ruling on what is defined as Obscenity, and therefore ILLEGAL in the USA.

[quote]The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be: (a) whether 'the average person, applying contemporary community standards would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, (b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and (c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. [quote]

Prurient is defined thus:1. Inordinately interested in matters of sex; lascivious.
2. a. Characterized by an inordinate interest in sex: prurient thoughts.
b. Arousing or appealing to an inordinate interest in sex: prurient literature.

Now would you be willing to bet no MFC show to qualify for the Obscenity law?

Including where women have drank piss? Shown children onscreen in the background while masturbating? Passed out naked and drunk on cam and had their little girl with a shit filled diaper come in and cry and try to wake up "mommy"? Women who have performed acts of bestiality? Anal penetration until blood shows and the "audience" typing things like "Fuck that ass, bitch!" and "Ream out your hole".

So my argument does not rely on children being present, I just think that will apply because when election years arise, it always works best to say "We did it for THE CHILDREN!!"

B

HerRoyalHotness
08-21-2011, 05:10 PM
Has it ever occured to you guys that the supreme court does NOT give a fuck? How long has MFC been around? Agent99 will be back and there will be a She's back thread just because yall love her so much.

tinydancer23
08-21-2011, 05:15 PM
i did read all the latest posts (like i always do), i just haven't seen anything in this thread that hasn't been said ten (or more) times before, that's all.

HerRoyalHotness
08-21-2011, 05:36 PM
i did read all the latest posts (like i always do), i just haven't seen anything in this thread that hasn't been said ten (or more) times before, that's all.

Exactly.

Bambalina
08-21-2011, 06:35 PM
Well, y'know...

When the RIAA slammed into a whole gaggle of download services & music downloaders with the Department of Justice freight train and a whole bushel basket full of lawsuits, it was after MANY MANY people had said it was coming..over and over and over...and downloading services just got bigger, and P2P people just kept adding files and songs and movies...

And you're right, the Supreme Court doesn't care about this issue at all. Because the Supreme Court doesn't work like that. The Supreme Court just doesn't make up what it will and won't decide on, someone somewhere gets arrested. And then a law gets challenged.

So if a state prosecutor decides that Agent 99 doing an anal dildo show is both obscene, and illegal because she did it in a room full of sleeping children, and subpoenas her address from MFC and has her arrested, and MFC shut down...well, it could take 3 years before the ACLU takes it to the Supreme Court to get those rulings overturned. And MFC stays closed that whole time and the climate of camming is VERY scary that whole time.

People talk about COPA and kind of just brush it off, but between it going to the House and Senate, and being overturned it completely fucked with the whole adult industry. As does 2257, and many other anti-porn provisions of times past (See "The People vs. Larry Flynt" for more on this). So the Government has a long history of anti-porn legislation, and if you read around, alot of folks seem to think the Governemtn would LOVE to have a few laws with some teeth to fuck with Internet Porn.

So, why do we give them ammo? I mean, is it so hard to stick to some basic things that keep the wolves at bay? Don't expose kids to porn in open places, don;t put kids on cam, even in the back ground, don't do things that have ALREADY been found to be patently offensive and obscene (scat, urine, animals, sodomy), and generally, don't flaunt the lawlessness of the internet in the face of the LAW.

So, if these things are true, and all of our livelihoods rely on them, is it any surprise that those who believe they can truly screw us will say them again and again when it is obvious that most just close their ears and scream !!LALALALA!!! at the top of their lungs??

I promise, that won't make the bad stuff not happen. Federal Investigations often take over 1 year and State investigations can have about the same duration. Since MFC has been "Wild-West" for only a bit over one year, I think saying "MFC is still there!" is a bit premature.

Since Agent 99 had children on cam only a few weeks ago, that is proof of nothing.

Maybe NOTHING will happen. That IS possible! Let's hope! But why would it be the prevailing sentiment to RISK it?

B

Bambalina
08-21-2011, 06:37 PM
Once again...said my piece, and don;t have time for more of this right now...will check tomorrow and see if anything new is being said.

Have fun ladies!

B

SupaByoch
08-21-2011, 08:55 PM
Ya, and it isn't just Agent99 or any other specific model, although the over the top antics of A99 is exactly the kind of thing that will spark public OUTRAGE and give an anti-camsite movement steam. But still, the fact that full nudity and insertion shows are commonly occurring in free public shows, which is the internet equivalent of doing it in the street for anyone to see, is just as bad because of sheer volume. No parents want their kids to have free access to porn. Every single one of you who breaks the rules is contributing to this problem. Justify it however you like "just doing what I gota do" or whatever - you are ALL a part of the problem.

To you girls who think nothing is going to happen, and we are all making too much of it: Don't you think it's a little naive to think that having so much blatantly illegal activity on these sites is just asking for trouble? And don't you think it's just a tad naive to assume the conservative groups who are so good at making a stink, wouldn't do so about THIS? It's such an EASY target - why would they NOT jump on it??

I mean come on - there are cases of people, including minors, getting slapped with fat lawsuits and/or arrested over illegal file-sharing of music. WTH do you think will happen when some conservative group decides to go after all this free online live porn??? There is already an anti-porn movement gaining steam thanks to Ashton Kutcher and his idiot brigade. There is already backlash about foreign cam studios using underage girls. It is only a matter of time before they start attacking the camsites and models themselves for providing free porn to kids.

Furthermore, since the camsites have their rules published, they can point to that and say the models are the ones responsible since they are breaking our rules. It would only take a court order to get each model's info and slap her with a load of criminal charges.

And we haven't even talked about taxes. I bet the IRS would love to get a list of all US-based camgirls on MFC / SM along with their earnings records.

Amy Lee
08-21-2011, 09:07 PM
It is sad about agent99....it is also sad that she has whole threads dedicated about her on sites she doesn't give a damn about either...she is just that popular and on people's minds.

I hope who ever reported her gets some big shit coming back to them....some of these "women" on here could not just let the woman cam and do her own thing. She must be mesmerizing to people to have them continually talk and hate on her. I hope where ever she is that she is okay and glad she doesn't have time to read posts about some average women talking about her on different sites.

Amy Lee
08-21-2011, 09:08 PM
Once again...said my piece, and don;t have time for more of this right now...will check tomorrow and see if anything new is being said.

Have fun ladies!

B

I like those tags on your signature...LMFAO!!!

Amy Lee
08-21-2011, 09:11 PM
Has it ever occured to you guys that the supreme court does NOT give a fuck? How long has MFC been around? Agent99 will be back and there will be a She's back thread just because yall love her so much.

YUP they love her...who has time to write a post and talk about someone else while still making so much "money" oh please. Who ever started talking about Agent is a bitch-made person, someone with ZERO balls. Why have such a problem with her? Why report her? People need to mind their business.

SupaByoch
08-21-2011, 09:30 PM
^LOL. I guess you haven't read the posts about legal issues then. I don't believe any of us give a shit about this particular girl or any other. But we do give a shit about our industry likely getting attacked by people who'd love nothing more than to shut it down because of the over the top ILLEGAL antics of a few. We don't need the kind of attention that antics like that bring.

By caring about our industry, we ARE minding OUR business. I find it disturbing and disappointing that some people can't see this, and just accuse us of "hating" or being jealous. Talk about ignoring the issues and not seeing the big picture. geez


I highly doubt anyone had to report Agent99 for her to get banned. She painted a giant flashing neon target on herself - AND on the camming industry.

Genoveve
08-21-2011, 09:35 PM
I have never worked on MFC and don't have an opinion in regards to competition or the legalities, but I do think that wiping your bodily fluids on something that you know other people are going to use is disgusting. To me anyone who does anything like that is in the same category as waiters that spit or jizz in food. I also think masturbating around children is disgusting. I can't even imagine the reaction that these two actions would cause if it was a man doing them. I also think filming and broadcasting people without their knowledge, especially when they're doing something like using the bathroom, is disgusting. It's not about camming to me it's about being a gross person.

Sam38g
08-21-2011, 10:05 PM
Ya, and it isn't just Agent99 or any other specific model, although the over the top antics of A99 is exactly the kind of thing that will spark public OUTRAGE and give an anti-camsite movement steam. But still, the fact that full nudity and insertion shows are commonly occurring in free public shows, which is the internet equivalent of doing it in the street for anyone to see, is just as bad because of sheer volume. No parents want their kids to have free access to porn. Every single one of you who breaks the rules is contributing to this problem. Justify it however you like "just doing what I gota do" or whatever - you are ALL a part of the problem.

To you girls who think nothing is going to happen, and we are all making too much of it: Don't you think it's a little naive to think that having so much blatantly illegal activity on these sites is just asking for trouble? And don't you think it's just a tad naive to assume the conservative groups who are so good at making a stink, wouldn't do so about THIS? It's such an EASY target - why would they NOT jump on it??

I mean come on - there are cases of people, including minors, getting slapped with fat lawsuits and/or arrested over illegal file-sharing of music. WTH do you think will happen when some conservative group decides to go after all this free online live porn??? There is already an anti-porn movement gaining steam thanks to Ashton Kutcher and his idiot brigade. There is already backlash about foreign cam studios using underage girls. It is only a matter of time before they start attacking the camsites and models themselves for providing free porn to kids.

Furthermore, since the camsites have their rules published, they can point to that and say the models are the ones responsible since they are breaking our rules. It would only take a court order to get each model's info and slap her with a load of criminal charges.

And we haven't even talked about taxes. I bet the IRS would love to get a list of all US-based camgirls on MFC / SM along with their earnings records.


US Gov aka IRS already knows how much money we make. 1099 I get mine every year come tax time from the cam companies.

Sam

SupaByoch
08-21-2011, 10:07 PM
^I'm told MFC does not 1099 because they aren't a US-based company. So apparently a lot of US-based girls think they aren't required to pay tax on their MFC income, and that couldn't be further from the truth. I'll see if I get a 1099 from MFC this year...

HerRoyalHotness
08-22-2011, 02:02 AM
YUP they love her...who has time to write a post and talk about someone else while still making so much "money" oh please. Who ever started talking about Agent is a bitch-made person, someone with ZERO balls. Why have such a problem with her? Why report her? People need to mind their business.

............and they wonder why they are making chump change when other camgirls ae making thousands a month. It's fucking redundant. I just can't...

sammii
08-22-2011, 02:16 AM
............and they wonder why they are making chump change when other camgirls ae making thousands a month. It's fucking redundant. I just can't...
Your lips must be permanently attached to Agent's ass ... unless you are Agent. Hmmm.

HerRoyalHotness
08-22-2011, 02:25 AM
Your lips must be permanently attached to Agent's ass ... unless you are Agent. Hmmm.

Me agent? I am flattered. Coming from the same girl that posts on every single agent99 thread. Oh did I start those threads about her too? Let's see I counted 7 threads on Agent99 .. So who's lips are stuck on who's ass? ::). Go and fuck yourself on cam or something please. Do you think she's worried about you or your buddies? I highly doubt it. You guys are beneath her and you know what??.... She should be beneath you all since she's so "disgusting".

bubblegumbitch
08-22-2011, 02:28 AM
^I'm told MFC does not 1099 because they aren't a US-based company. So apparently a lot of US-based girls think they aren't required to pay tax on their MFC income, and that couldn't be further from the truth. I'll see if I get a 1099 from MFC this year...

even if a girl doesn't get a 1099 from a cam company, they should still file they're taxes regardless....just cuz a site is not in the us doesn't mean that the model is exempt from paying her own taxes within her country...you best believe that they will come back and get you within 7 years!....i would rather just pay it so that, i will never have those worries...i think that it is incredibly stupid for a girl to not pay her taxes when you have a paper trail.

anyways....sorry for the thread jack....

sammii
08-22-2011, 02:31 AM
Me agent? I am flattered. Coming from the same girl that posts on every single agent99 thread. Oh did I start those threads about her too? Let's see I counted 7 threads on Agent99 .. So who's lips are stuck on who's ass? ::). Go and fuck yourself on cam or something please. Do you think she's worried about you or your buddies? I highly doubt it. You guys are beneath her and you know what??.... She should be beneath you all since she's so "disgusting".
We're beneath her because we don't dildo ourselves in public while kids are around?

Okay ....

TheBrownFox
08-22-2011, 03:55 AM
If you really hate these people so much then why even bother giving them more publicity as these threads do show up in a google search. They shouldn't even be on your mind if you dislike them so much.



This is the point I was trying to make on the other forum I post on, and of course some of the anti-Agent_99 people got all butthurt when I said it. If you claim to dislike a model, you shouldn't be searching for her on other cam sites just to come back and talk shit about her with the other haters. I call that being obsessed. I'd think the people who were pushing for her to get banned would just be happy that she's banned. But no.....now some have made it their mission to go search the internet to see where she is now. I guess some people have nothing better to do with their lives than to be negative and talk shit.....what ever happened to visiting a cam site to see models that you DO like? People with money to spend should be visiting their favorite models and spending on them (and rating their profiles, etc.).....not hangin' out in the room of a model you "hate" and taking 50 screen shots of all her shows. ::)

BustyAmeera
08-22-2011, 06:54 AM
............and they wonder why they are making chump change when other camgirls ae making thousands a month. It's fucking redundant. I just can't...

I have to agree these agent99 threads are a bit redundant. I still have no clue who this lady is, and that shows how much I could care less. I don't plan to go check her out on the net either. It is just something that does not concern me in the least. This is like an Agent99 cult following, or something.

ukmissy
08-22-2011, 07:25 AM
She won't be back on MFC , not after streaming kids --- My friends will personally do everything they can to ensure that . It was entertaining , it was something to keep our noses out of , it was fun , but then she involved kids - and that all changed .

Maybe contributing to this thread does create publicity for her, but if it hadn't been for this thread, I wouldn't have been as aware of her involving kids on her stream . Maybe the people on this forum so opposed to bringing her down don't have kids themselves , maybe they don't really care ..... Obviously everything has a bigger picture , but streaming kids on a porno site doesn't compare to girls avoiding their taxes or working in the sex industry.

If she comes back , and has kids on her stream again - she will be gone faster than you can type stripperweb.

People can make any excuses they want for Agent99 - I don't care how much money she is making , I don't care how good an actress she is , or how her game plan was planned all along and how it makes me bitter to stand in her way .... I saw her with kids on her stream - Nothing else but ensuring it never happens again matters , and if that makes me a bad sport to a fellow sex worker - tough .

Missy .

BustyAmeera
08-22-2011, 07:57 AM
I didn't know she had kids on cam, because I have never seen her on cam. I am a strong believer in protecting children, so if she had kids on her cam, on an adult site, then she should be banned.

Also, since I have never seen her do this, I can not accuse her of it. Just letting it be known if you have kids in your room as you cam, then you are wrong. This goes for anyone.

HerRoyalHotness
08-22-2011, 08:39 AM
We're beneath her because we don't dildo ourselves in public while kids are around?

Okay ....

I didn't see that show so I will NOT judge. If she did that then that is wronG. you know what though? If any of you agreed to work on MFC - you know the same site that agent99 was on - you're all big hypocrits to judge her. You're talking about a site that 12 and 13 year olds have access to and watch shows on . you're talking about a site where a full blown xxx show is done IN PUBLIC for everyone and their mama to see. Are you serious? You're no better than her. you've been doing the same thing ALL along!

I know a few MFC girls from sw that constantly fuck themselves in free chat for nickles and dimes... who the fuck do you think is watching your show? You're just as much as a freak as she is. She just found a way to make MORE money than you. Now she's gone and I bet you the last thing on her mind right now is where her next meal is going to come from.

kaiarose
08-22-2011, 08:49 AM
Hell to the no. This thread is not going in a good direction.

Arialandre
08-22-2011, 08:06 PM
Boo ya!
Oh I went to close it and realized it was already closed it just wasn't closed to me!

*hi5 Kaia*