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skwadim
08-30-2011, 05:51 AM
I don’t know why the OP is targeting strippers / dancers for a quick ‘relationship’, unless he thinks they might be ‘easy’ because of a misguided stereotype on his part – why not waitresses, nurses or clerks?
No, not at all, I just asked, as this is a stripper forum.
1. Money
2. Drugs
3. Genuine Friendship
4. Genuine attraction
5. Knows where the after party is or has been pretty cool so he can come to breakfast with you and the girls
There are a lot of reasons, but if you can't get a non-stripper to go home and fuck you the same night you met, its highly unlikely you'll get a stripper to do the same.
*poking KS_Stevia* are you alright? I mean, you read the question, understood it, and answered it without insulting me.. I kid of course, thanks for your thoughts.
yoda57us
08-30-2011, 06:16 AM
Dude, you want to participate? Learn how to use the quote function. Your last two posts make no sense...
skwadim
08-30-2011, 06:22 AM
Dude, you want to participate? Learn how to use the quote function. Your last two posts make no sense...
Nah, don't really feel like it. But here's a summary:
I get "it's all about the money," knowing full well how rare it is to ever be anything BUT the money, I asked a question about people's thoughts when it wasn't about the money. Most people understood that and shared their thoughts if they wanted. And I thank them for it.
I'm sorry if this topic has been trudged over and over, or if it belonged in the blue section, or if I remind people of Cybil Shephard's long lost twin Cyril.
yoda57us
08-30-2011, 08:23 AM
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Nah, don't really feel like it.
OK, got it! You're too lazy, or stubborn, to perform a few mouse clicks in order to make your posts more intelligible but you want us to tell you how to score a one night stand with a stripper...
Most things in life work the same. You get what you give...
Kellydancer
08-30-2011, 12:53 PM
Yoda, I think he's getting frustrated because I called him Cyril. I think that is who he is because like Cyril/Laxman/Bingham he posts insane topics then gets mad when we don't play his game.
KS_Stevia
08-30-2011, 06:54 PM
Look, strippers are human. If you're a cool cat who has a lot in common with the stripper and doesn't push her to do anything she's not comfy with, you may get a genuine phone number, or invited to the after party, or to breakfast. You may make a friend, it could lead to more.
NOW...look at the above criteria and realize she is meeting about 20-40 men a night that are all interested in being that cool cat. Now look at your general dating and social life. Can you draw a captive audience when out and about with a group? Do you pick up women successfully in social settings .And that time you slipped the girl GHB doesn't count ( ;) just kid). Are you able to discuss fun things gender neutral things and topics women know and like, such as movies, music, pets, children, travel, etc... do you have female friends who are comfortable being along with you....
...even then, you're still competing with 30 other guys with varying levels of coolness. Sometimes you'll be competing with the guy that has the drugs. This is very true and common..not just with strippers, but with people who work in the night time entertainment industry.
Finally, after all is said and done, your chances are almost completely elminated when you factor in : boyfriend, spouse, children, being very tired and needing to get some sleep already.
I hope that has answered your question thoroughly for the reasons a dancer would meet a customer OTC, aside from money.
flyguy29
08-30-2011, 11:00 PM
money spent in the sc proves you know the etiquette and how to enjoy your time there. If you can strike up a level of comfort between you and the dancer, your chances increase. After a few visits to a sc, I did get numbers and asked a dancer to join me for time at a spa ,lunch etc. No pressure
skwadim
08-31-2011, 07:40 AM
OK, got it! You're too lazy, or stubborn, to perform a few mouse clicks in order to make your posts more intelligible but you want us to tell you how to score a one night stand with a stripper...
Most things in life work the same. You get what you give...
I said it was laziness already, c'mon a quotation mark vs a quote function shouldn't rattle an 800 yr old jedi.
Deal with it, you can. Faith in you, I have.
Yoda, I think he's getting frustrated because I called him Cyril.
no, more like confused. I've got no clue who that is, as for "playing my game" if you mean I enjoy it more when people understand the question and answer it without any emotionally charged comments, then yes, I'm totally looking for people to play my game.
I hope that has answered your question thoroughly for the reasons a dancer would meet a customer OTC, aside from money.
Yes, most definitely.
yoda57us
08-31-2011, 08:12 AM
I said it was laziness already, c'mon a quotation mark vs a quote function shouldn't rattle an 800 yr old jedi.
Deal with it, you can. Faith in you, I have.
Well, to be clear, nothing you could post on an internet chat board would "rattle" me. Not even your clever Star Wars references.
It's a simple matter of effective communication. If you don't care about being understood by people I doubt you are going to get anywhere in the clubs trying to score with women who spend all day and night listening to smooth talkers.
skwadim
08-31-2011, 08:45 AM
Well, to be clear, nothing you could post on an internet chat board would "rattle" me. Not even your clever Star Wars references.
Of course not, and I too, post 5 times about things that do not "rattle" me. although you may want to check your midi-chlorians.
It's a simple matter of effective communication. If you don't care about being understood by people I doubt you are going to get anywhere in the clubs trying to score with women who spend all day and night listening to smooth talkers.
Well, since you're the only one making an issue about the lack of quote function usage, I think I'll take my [highly unlikely] chances. Call me crazy, but most people, from my experience, can get through a set of quotes without their heads exploding.
yoda57us
08-31-2011, 09:29 AM
Of course not, and I too, post 5 times about things that do not "rattle" me. although you may want to check your midi-chlorians.
Until this post it was only three times...
You can't count either?
Well, since you're the only one making an issue about the lack of quote function usage, I think I'll take my [highly unlikely] chances. Call me crazy, but most people, from my experience, can get through a set of quotes without their heads exploding.
No ones head is exploding chief. This is a chat board. The vast majority of what we post here is trivial banter. This thread is certainly no exception...
skwadim
08-31-2011, 09:58 AM
Until this post it was only three times...
You can't count either?
No, I actually can.
There's a human phenomenon called sarcasm and/or exaggeration whereby a truth is extended by some amount for a light-hearted, albeit slight comedic effect, to add a bit of emotional punch to the behavior being pointed out.
For example, a standard American English colloquialism is to say "I told you a 100 times" or "I told you a million times!" It doesn't necessarily mean the speaker has made the statement an exact numeric count of 100 or one million. It just means "a significant amount," generally used to imply "an amount more than needed"
Interestingly enough, people who engage in this kind of exaggeration, have been known to have the ability to count as well.
The vast majority of what we post here is trivial banter. This thread is certainly no exception...
Oh is it? because I thought I was going to stumble upon a rendering of the I-Ching and Descarte's "Meditation on First Philosophy"
Whatever, you made your point, your brain shuts down at the sign of quotation marks instead of the quote function, and I can see a stripper in a club totally saying to me,
"I would've forgone my job, desire for money, spouse, child, fatigue, and follow you home to have sex with you, but you just had one too many posts without that darn quote function, if only you listened to yoda, tonight could've been so different. Ah well, live and learn"
if the messages are too much of a hassle, don't read and respond, if it doesn't rattle you because this is just a fluff space for you anyway, but you get enjoyment out of repeatedly badgering me to use it, go ahead and do that too.
yoda57us
08-31-2011, 11:55 AM
if the messages are too much of a hassle, don't read and respond, if it doesn't rattle you because this is just a fluff space for you anyway, but you get enjoyment out of repeatedly badgering me to use it, go ahead and do that too.
Well, ok, with your permission of course...
Yeah, it's a chat board. It's not world peace we are talking about here, it's t&a or, in this case, the nuances of communication on a forum. I come here to be entertained, not to solve the world's problems and yes, going back and forth with you is entertaining. You seem to be enjoying it as well.
I'm tempted to say that being an argumentative smart-ass won't get you anywhere with strippers either but I'm assuming you don't act the same way towards dancers in the club that you have on this board...
btw, care to try and master the multi-quote function?
skwadim
08-31-2011, 01:08 PM
Well, ok, with your permission of course...
Yeah, it's a chat board. It's not world peace we are talking about here, it's t&a or, in this case, the nuances of communication on a forum. I come here to be entertained, not to solve the world's problems and yes, going back and forth with you is entertaining. You seem to be enjoying it as well.
I'm tempted to say that being an argumentative smart-ass won't get you anywhere with strippers either but I'm assuming you don't act the same way towards dancers in the club that you have on this board...
btw, care to try and master the multi-quote function?
Oh dear god, multi-quote function? are you sure you might not be more entertained elsewhere, on a "chat forum forum" where posters go back and forth bickering about quote functions, smiley faces, grammar, commas, emoticons or anything else you deem necessary to facilitate communication? In any event, you're on ignore, if there's one thing I learned by reading messages here, it's that no one out there should be providing entertainment of any kind for free!
So, while I'm glad you're entertained, as someone once said, (not einstein), no good thing lasts forever. And I for one, am glad that intelligent readers and posters here far outweigh, well, that other group.
mediocrity
08-31-2011, 01:28 PM
Why does this question keep getting asked? I feel like I'm caught in an infinite circle.
yoda57us
08-31-2011, 01:56 PM
Oh dear god, multi-quote function?
Yeah, it's the feature that allows you to quote multiple posters, respond to them, and have the rest of us actually figure out who you are talking to.
Like I said dude, it's all about effective communication. I don't think the responses you've gotten here would have been any different but common courtesy is never a wasted effort...
yoda57us
08-31-2011, 02:03 PM
Why does this question keep getting asked? I feel like I'm caught in an infinite circle.
LOL, well, in a lot of ways customer convo is an infinite circle. I mean, most customers show up here wanting to know the same things all the time...
1. She gave me her number, does she like me?
2. She stick-shifted me, does she like me?
3. Besides money, why do you dance?
4. Besides money, how can I get you to go out with me?
and, of course, the ultimate bating statement used by board trolls....
Are all dancers just money-grubing sluts?
It does get pretty lame sometimes but you never know when a lame-ass topic will actually turn into something interesting so I continue to tune in...
skwadim
08-31-2011, 07:15 PM
Why does this question keep getting asked? I feel like I'm caught in an infinite circle.
That I'm sorry about, I wasn't familiar about how frequently it was asked. But it's reasonable to understand this type of curiosity, even though we are "wallets" those wallets reside in the pockets of pants that are worn by human beings, and those human beings are capable of other thoughts rather than "here's $20"
jannisary
09-01-2011, 09:21 PM
I just try and not over think it.
I've met a few dancers OTC for P4P fun. It is not something that I push dancers for but when the opportunity comes around and I'm attracted to her then why not. I've only had one dancer straight out ask me about OTC and I don't bluntly proposition them.
I've also met a few dancers OTC just socially. Now, they may have been partly motivated by my spending in the club. That can be hard to really tell. It just seems to me that if you go to a club, act properly, act friendly, spend money, and listen then connections can develop.
The last dancer I saw OTC is a club fav that I just happened in conversation mention needing a date to a ballgame. We were talking and I mentioned having tickets to the game but the other people in my group were all couples and girl I had planned on going with had backed out. I hadn't even thought of asking the fav, and up until that point she hadn't even hinted at meeting OTC before. But the next thing I know we're making plans to meet up before the game. I was half expecting her to not really follow through but the night before she texted me to confirm and then the next day we met up and had a fun time.
Now I could waste a lot of time wondering why she volunteered her company. But would I really ever know for sure and does it really matter. We met, had fun at the game and a little fun back at the hotel too. (Though the hotel fun was definitely just a tease).
So I guess what I'm saying is just don't over think it. Act like a man, a good man and if connections develop - then they just develop.
LisaMintoni
09-01-2011, 09:55 PM
Yes, of course I do.
missplayful
09-02-2011, 03:42 AM
Mmm i did 2 times. One became a dating which still i like him like a crazy and waiting him to come back from deployment... It s been 8 months another one was a sugar daddy and totatlly harmless gentleman he would take me to shopping etc... without no benefits. I just be company for him he calls me a "friend":)
skwadim
09-02-2011, 06:00 AM
Just because we can, doesn't mean we should.
Stick to the "here's $20" while in the club and your life will be much simpler.
But you're assuming it's a choice. I'm saying it's not.
And no one said anything about "you should do this," I"m just saying it's silly to wonder why a guy's thoughts might wander in that direction no matter how much "logic" or "simpler" it might be otherwise.
Imagine you go to a place where your fantasies are granted, even if for just 2 minutes at a time, and in your mind you know it's false (in the sense the provider of that fantasy ultimately doesn't give a whip about you, in fact if anything that provider despises you) would it be such a stretch for you to once in a while think that fantasy might have a slight chance of coming true?
yoda57us
09-02-2011, 06:42 AM
would it be such a stretch for you to once in a while think that fantasy might have a slight chance of coming true?
Not everyone has the same "fantasy".
JayATee
09-02-2011, 09:19 AM
^ exactly. OP your fantasy is taking a hot stripper home. My fantasy is taking your full (of money) wallet home. Of course fantasy can come true, but fantasy is in the eye of the beholder. If you pay heavily enough, who knows what could happen.... But then again, that goes back to the money issue which you seem to have a serious problem with/understanding.
skwadim
09-04-2011, 06:07 AM
^ exactly. OP your fantasy is taking a hot stripper home. My fantasy is taking your full (of money) wallet home. Of course fantasy can come true, but fantasy is in the eye of the beholder. If you pay heavily enough, who knows what could happen.... But then again, that goes back to the money issue which you seem to have a serious problem with/understanding.
Ok, so I guess I'm not "officially" on ignore?
Again, I completely *understand* the "money issue," it's actually quite simple. What I'm telling you, is no matter how much of an intellectual understanding one can have, given the nature of the "service being rendered" , it's silly for you (and others) to think guys wouldn't fantasize or at least once in a while have an interjecting thought about meeting/having sex OTC.
skwadim
09-04-2011, 06:09 AM
"Who's wondering why a customer might think about OTC? Dancers? Of course they expect us to think about it....they witness it all the time."
Oh, well some people have posted messages like, "why are we talking about this again? etc etc..." I was just responding to that.
yoda57us
09-04-2011, 06:57 AM
The chances are very good, on a forum that's been around for a while, that a new member is going to ask a question that's been asked before. The chances are also good that a few long-time members of the forum will react with an "oh, not this again" or " please use the search function, this topic has been covered before".
I say Pfffft! Ask away! Just be prepared for a variety of responses, some useful and cordial, some nippy and even some that will be down-right nasty. That's the nature of an anonymous forum. Realize that you may be asking a question that these girls get asked a hundred times a week at the club and also realize that you are on a forum created predominately for them. They come here, in many cases, to vent so, if you get in the line of fire, you are going to get "vented" on.
Forums like this are really no place for a thin skin.
Raider
09-04-2011, 08:18 AM
..... You blindly repeat yourself in an effort to find out the answers you say you already know and then insult our intelligence because you're not getting the answers you want to hear...........
I don't think that it is an annoyance with the fact that the question has been asked numerous times in the past but more what JayATee has said here. Plus, every possible reason for OTC has been given yet it appears none of the answers are sufficient enough to satisfy the OP.
yoda57us
09-04-2011, 08:53 AM
I don't think that it is an annoyance with the fact that the question has been asked numerous times in the past but more what JayATee has said here. Plus, every possible reason for OTC has been given yet it appears none of the answers are sufficient enough to satisfy the OP.
LOL, actually I think it's a little of both depending on the respondent. What I find interesting is that, the vast majority of time, both the question and the poster's reaction to the answers is the same...
I may have already said this but if I didn't I will now. If a one night stand is what you are after (and this was not the vibe I got from the original post) you are much better off rolling the dice in a regular bar or night club. In a strip club the dancer's mind set is on earnng a living. She isn't there to have fun or pick a partner for a one-night stand. In a regular bar that's quite often exactly why people, both male and female, are there. Seems like a no-brainer to me...
jacomo
09-04-2011, 02:12 PM
Interesting topic.
I went to club in Atlanta recently and being honest I have a goo magnet to get along with strippers, maybe my accent or the fact that I see them as human beings and not a vagina with 2 legs, In my college years I had stripper friends in San Diego and I kinda have a sense how their life is, even though I usually like one more than another or get what I call a "club crush" for a particular one according how nice or "out of club talk" we can get; Anyways coming back to this topic, I have never agreed to meet anyone outside or have asked for a phone number etc because i know they are working and they want to get out of there etc but this one I met I was very sweet to her and even she wasn't the hottest one at the club she was very nice and we had short conversations about other things than "u r a cutie", so at the end of the night she came to me and asked me what I wanted to do after the club close and she told me if I wanted to meet her etc, I dint have a change to ask her if she was expecting me to pay or nothing but as person I felt her real....of course I didn't wait for her and later on when the club was closed and everyone was leaving I saw her from far away looking around and the she left...I felt like a moron and I might go back there just to apologize ... I have never done this but I think will be the right thing, even if she doesnt remember my face I'll feel better myself :)
women are women no matter what they do and my dad used to tell me "women are to admire, they are the reason of our passions"
the end...
yoda57us
09-04-2011, 02:52 PM
^ That was good advice. Your dad is a very smart man.
cherryblossomsinspring
09-04-2011, 05:29 PM
Yes, I get it, no girls would do it, no girls would think about it, and no girls would
even dream about doing it with me. In fact the very thought Im sure makes most women cringe.
I understand.
But with all the strippers, in all the strip clubs in the world, operating till the wee hours of the morning, I'm sure it's happened at least once or twice in the history of the world.
My question is, what could make that happen?
Well there are some things that would be important. Generally if you're visiting a strip club a dancer would expect you to at the very least tip , do lds ,vips etc
If she's not married, gay or other wised attached to another person she may consider the following.
1. Are you attractive? ( noticed one of your last posts was about comparing you as a man psyching yourself up to approach women in the dating world ( clubs, bars etc) to that of a dancer approaching customers for ( dances for money) .
If you're striking out in real life, the fantasy world of the sc will give you the fantasy of a woman being attracted to you for a price. It's not real because if you had no money should wouldn't be interested.
2. Age. How old are you? What age of women are you attracted to. Again if you're a significant age difference from the women you desire, typically they would not be attracted to you unless you held a specific position that represents finance, wealth, fortune and of course generosity.
3. Body Type: Are you fit, healthy? Women are more forgiving then men in the looks department. However approaching a woman that really takes care of her physical appearances when you may have chosen to ignore you own habits, makes women feel insulted when approached by these types. Especially if you're at the sc. In the real world women would also be highly offended by a man that doesn't have 1-3 but is approaching them.
4. Personality is important as well. However even the most charming of men generally strike out in the real world based on 1, 2 and 3. You can have a great personality but typically age differences added with body type and low finances can put you in the friend space or even make you avoided at all costs.
5. Time. How much you are in contact with someone and how pleasant that interaction is for that space of time. Are you pleasant to be around? Do you value the dancer's time? Are you blocking them from making money with others? Do you provide finance without being asked? Are you "handsY" or do you come out with "creepy" questions? These are all important when interacting with any woman but clearly are amplified in a place of business where money is the main focus for all dancers.
6. Knowing that the dancer is actually there to work and only work brings and issue to her mind that if you're hitting on her then you are undervaluing what she does for a living. This could create the dreaded "asshole" stamp. One that you will not remove for a long time without spending extra monies and burn that out of her memory. You may have to move onto the next dancer and start from scratch.
7. Is she married, divorced, has children, bf, gf? You're going into the unknown simply because dancers are working so their personal lives are not up for discussion. If you start getting personal after spending several hundreds, you may find that you've fallen for a married woman, thus putting you back to 0 to start again. Or the woman may be 100% gay and is straight for pay. So again you may fall back to 0 and start again. After some time this could become quite costly and frustrating making you cut corners, or become sloppier with your approach. You may accidentally get angry or go off on a dancer after she slips and tells you about her bf. Ooops. You may be escorted out of the club at some point.
Please keep in mind this above is just speculation , but it has been known to happen many times over. The reason why I wanted to give you possible outcomes was to include a full picture of the situation.
Now if you're approaching women closer to your age with a similar physical features, you may have a better chance, but again if she's in the sc , she's there for money just like every other dancer.
An attractive , financially stable man that closer to age with the dancers has more luck. If he's single and respectful, women will not only typically enjoy dancing for him, but will look forward to more then his wallet. If he becomes a consistent regular and shows allegiance to one dancer only and never swaying this view, then he will have a 50/50 chance of dating her , that is of course if she's not gay, not married or doesn't have a bf. Still he will have to show that he's interested in her as a person not just the hot dancer. He cannot state this in words , but show this on how he listens and respects her boundaries. Also a man that pretty much has it all can get women without to much difficulty in the real world. He may just want someone to match his own looks and an SC or model shoot would be the best way to look. Since modeling shoots typically don't allow the passerby to come aboard, the SC is the next best thing.
If you are older, not really fit, but have between $2,000-$10,000 to spare monthly you can decide to go the sugar baby route. You can meet young college women, that may also be dancers or escorts, dine ,travel , sex etc with. It's the best for all parties involved knowing why they are there and you can set up an arrangement. Some sugar babies grown an attachment beyond the financial exchange and some may marry their daddies. Statistically real sugar daddy and sugar baby arrangements last between 3-6 months and get renewed if both parties are still in agreement.
That I'm sorry about, I wasn't familiar about how frequently it was asked. But it's reasonable to understand this type of curiosity, even though we are "wallets" those wallets reside in the pockets of pants that are worn by human beings, and those human beings are capable of other thoughts rather than "here's $20"
But you're assuming it's a choice. I'm saying it's not.
And no one said anything about "you should do this," I"m just saying it's silly to wonder why a guy's thoughts might wander in that direction no matter how much "logic" or "simpler" it might be otherwise.
Imagine you go to a place where your fantasies are granted, even if for just 2 minutes at a time, and in your mind you know it's false (in the sense the provider of that fantasy ultimately doesn't give a whip about you, in fact if anything that provider despises you) would it be such a stretch for you to once in a while think that fantasy might have a slight chance of coming true?
I understand you're saying the $20.00 is still attached to a human being. While this is true, the dancer is also a human being. Your fantasy is to have this woman really want you without spending a dime. Her fantasy is for you to just give her 50x $20.00 and not have to see you at all. The issue here is that there are two conflicting fantasies. See if you were hungry, didn't have money, you probably wouldn't go to a strip club. (yes I know the warm beer drinkers still do). But generally if you're struggling to pay bills, you're just going to put in more hours at the office and cut out any unnecessary expenses. With the dancer, it's the same. She's putting in hours at the club to pay her bills the same way you do at your job. So because you are human you would automatically understand that her job provides for her and her family. That's like you having a male boss that would like to pay you less and fantasizes about you sucking him off every evening. Now it's his fantasy and because he respects that you're human and not attracted to him, he leaves you alone. He doesn't use your job as an excuse to push for what he wants right? I mean that wouldn't be fair. That would actually be harassment. So on the same token the dancer is human as well and is there to work. She's just doing her job. So out of being human you may fantasize about having her all to your own but she may not find you attractive, great match which becomes irrelevant as long as you're respectfully paying for the services she offers.
If you're still unsure then try first approach women again in the real world that fit a dancer's look with clothing on. I mean really be proactive and go out there and date. Join every dating site out there and see what type of results you get. Then contact all of the women you find attractive and see how many return your messages. Put up fully clothed face and body pictures and be honest about your age , body type, preferences and what you're looking for.
Dancers are not just in the club, that's just where they work. Go out and see if you're able to get a date with really attractive women. If you are shot down 95-100% of the time, then you have your answer. Plus your test will be free so no no need for Ld's or Vips or consistent spending from dancer to dancer.
Hope this helps in answering your question.
skwadim
09-05-2011, 04:32 PM
I don't think that it is an annoyance with the fact that the question has been asked numerous times in the past but more what JayATee has said here. Plus, every possible reason for OTC has been given yet it appears none of the answers are sufficient enough to satisfy the OP.
but I don't blindly repeat myself, I repeat myself with complete vision, because when people respond saying, "it's all about the money" it completely misses the point of the question.
and the "OP" has fully acknowledged and thanked people that have been smart enough to comprehend the point of the question.
skwadim
09-05-2011, 04:40 PM
That's like you having a male boss that would like to pay you less and fantasizes about you sucking him off every evening. Now it's his fantasy and because he respects that you're human and not attracted to him, he leaves you alone. He doesn't use your job as an excuse to push for what he wants right?
I agree with 99% of your post, and it does answer the question, I think this analogy is loosely relevant, the stripper's arent working *for* me, although I get your point.
Raider
09-05-2011, 07:22 PM
............and the "OP" has fully acknowledged and thanked people that have been smart enough to comprehend the point of the question.
Cute....I; along with others ARE smart enough to comprehend the point of the question as every possible answer there is has been given. If only people were 'smart enough to comprehend' the point of the answers.
skwadim
09-05-2011, 09:33 PM
Not exactly sure what thread you've been reading.
But,
stated that "I still don't get it" because I failed to comprehend "money is the only reason"
stated that "I've been answered 'several times over'"
but for example provided some great new insights, as did a few others after also.
so tell me, what did I "not comprehend" that's it's really just all about the money? Gee, thanks for shedding the light.
flyguy29
09-05-2011, 11:09 PM
I met a class act dancer who was referred to me by the GM of a posh sc that really catered to me well and, while still knowing I am a customer, genuinely thought she had a good time with me in VIP. I'm attractive to some and in shape, hygenic and give grey messages (non creepy or perverted). I hit the SC twice a year and spend $$$$ coin but don't broadcast it till I find a dancer that feels comfortable with me.
Back to story, this dancer wants to see me OTC. Even travel where I go. No mention of $$$. I know she does this with others since she speaks openly about it and I'm seasoned enough to understand a pattern. Most gentlemen probably treat her well as she treats them.
One time money was mentioned was when I had a group of guys wanting to hit a nightclub. She said female a
company(no extras implied) can be had for the entire evening with the bachelor's table. I passes since it would be a shared expense and I could speak to for their wallets. MI told her K do want to see her again at the sc the next evening where the bachelor party would end up. There would have been more $$$$ involved at the sc than the nightclub. The next day she called in sick but wished me a good time....
I know that I have not put much stock in anything beyond the dancer/ customer relationship since I don't correspond with her that much when I am not in town, but do drop an occasional meaningful greeting once in a while. I TRYING to understand this type of dancer who clearly craves more attention OTC than money itc?
yoda57us
09-06-2011, 04:12 AM
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cherryblossomsinspring
09-06-2011, 06:13 AM
I think my post pointed out some specifics but I wanted to add a few or restate some. I have friends that are dancers that will meet a man outside the club for the following reasons.
1. He is not an SC goer. Turns down dances in a kind way but seems a bit uncomfortable with the entire operation.
2. He came in with an ugly friend that wanted to get lap dances.
3. He on the other hand views the whole SC thing distasteful and looks down on the lesser attractive older males and coins them "losers".
4. He gets hit on quite frequently in his day to day life.
5. He went to an sc when he was 18 -21 but feels he's grown out of needing an illusion. His ego couldn't handle paying someone to like him since women generally throw themselves at him for free.
6. He wouldn't want to confuse things in his mind as to why a woman was around him.
7. He generally went with the boys in the past, but felt their rudeness to the dancers was too embarrassing to witness or partake in.
8. He's ashamed to see his friends get nasty with dancers because they refuse to date them.
9. Dancers approach him not for dances but to DATE! Because he's a super hot guy that respects them while they work.
10. The hot guy in the group that yells at his friends for not tipping enough. Apologizes to the dancers and over compensates financially for their behavior.
Generally all these numbers have in common is that typically HE'S A HOT , STUDLY YOUNG RESPECTFUL MAN.
A few of my friends dated guys that NEVER SPENT A DIME ON THEM IN THE SC.
The top 5 most important traits that they all possessed were:
1. They weren't a normal SC goer.
2. Generally Ignored the stage or ignored the nudity in a shy uncomfortable way
3. WERE BEYOND HOT!!!
4. Were 100% respectful and didn't push into personal space.
5. Did not hit on them .....EVER.
As a human you are attracted to whoever you're attracted to for whatever reason. This applies to everyone (men and women alike). So to turn a fantasy into reality you first must be real with yourself. Are you typically viewed as someone's fantasy guy? If not then that's just reality. Are you really young,hot and sexy? No? You fantasize that you are but in reality (thanks to mirrors) you aren't ?
If you want the fantasy to end and the reality to begin then stop paying for fantasy. Start living in reality for free.
And last if you really want an honest opinion then post your pictures here. Do a HOT OR NOT in the Title and see what poll responses you get from all women in the industry. This site has an incredible amount of women on it . They will give you the honest truth.
So remember it's not always about money, but looks and age in relation to the dancer plays the 2nd major part. ;)
chris91
09-08-2011, 12:26 PM
Interesting topic.
I went to club in Atlanta recently and being honest I have a goo magnet to get along with strippers....
Where can I get one of these goo magnets?
KeithDoxen
09-19-2011, 04:46 PM
Generally all these numbers have in common is that typically HE'S A HOT , STUDLY YOUNG RESPECTFUL MAN.
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As a human you are attracted to whoever you're attracted to for whatever reason. This applies to everyone (men and women alike). So to turn a fantasy into reality you first must be real with yourself. Are you typically viewed as someone's fantasy guy? If not then that's just reality. Are you really young,hot and sexy? No? You fantasize that you are but in reality (thanks to mirrors) you aren't ?
If you want the fantasy to end and the reality to begin then stop paying for fantasy. Start living in reality for free.
So basically you're saying that if a guy looks like a male model, he might be able to pick up a girl at a strip club. Fair enough, but it seems to me that a guy who looks like a male model is going to be able to pick up girls anywhere. As such, I doubt those sorts of guys are going to be hanging out on this website asking for advice on how to meet strippers OTC.
I mean, most of us aren't Italian models. If the reality is that most of us average-looking guys aren't going to be able to pull off the OTC thing with a stripper, then that's fine. That's honest, and I respect that. But I think what the guys on this site as asking is how can an Average Joe improve his chances of convincing a stripper to meet him OTC. My guess is that this doesn't happen very frequently at all, and is probably extremely rare.
sadbuttrue
09-19-2011, 04:55 PM
Einstein's definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...
Like me still reading these types of threads after 8 years and expecting something different to be said in them.
Sad
Dirty Ernie
09-19-2011, 05:30 PM
Sometimes, as a guy, I actually agree that SW would be better if men weren't allowed to post. But reading threads like these makes me glad we can. I need a good chuckle now and then. :D
Asian Sensation
09-20-2011, 08:34 AM
Sometimes, as a guy, I actually agree that SW would be better if men weren't allowed to post. But reading threads like these makes me glad we can. I need a good chuckle now and then. :D
I rarely read Stripping General because I can't post there but I sometimes wish that other guys couldn't post in the forums where I read and post. Hypocritical , I know.
cherryblossomsinspring
09-20-2011, 08:52 PM
So basically you're saying that if a guy looks like a male model, he might be able to pick up a girl at a strip club. Fair enough, but it seems to me that a guy who looks like a male model is going to be able to pick up girls anywhere. As such, I doubt those sorts of guys are going to be hanging out on this website asking for advice on how to meet strippers OTC.
I mean, most of us aren't Italian models. If the reality is that most of us average-looking guys aren't going to be able to pull off the OTC thing with a stripper, then that's fine. That's honest, and I respect that. But I think what the guys on this site as asking is how can an Average Joe improve his chances of convincing a stripper to meet him OTC. My guess is that this doesn't happen very frequently at all, and is probably extremely rare.
Ok when you say "average" what do you mean by that? How old are you? What is the age range of women you desire when you go to the SC? How do you act when you purchase LD's?
Also who said you had to be an Italian Male Model? Even though I agree there are some sexy hot italian studs out there:) Yum! But there are so many diverse attractive men that aren't Italian.
Now back to the average part. What makes you average? Now not everyone has run way model looks, but it's how one works with what they have that says volumes.
One thing that men should do is learn from the women they find attractive. Women spends a crazy amount of money on the way they look. From shoes, nails, hair,clothing,makeup, tanning,more cosmetic procedures etc.
Now men probably spend about 5 mins getting ready to go out. 10 If they want to get the dog hair off their coat. So the point is take some time and invest into you. Men spend more money on paying for women to be around them, when they can spend some of that money in improving their own looks which will attract women to them. I mean it's works for women. Women spend a great amount of money on the way they look and men end up spending money on them to look at it. lol
The single biggest complain of older women is that the men don't usually look half as good as they do. I mean these women put time and energy into looking the best they can well into their 50's and 60's Men their ages just pay for women to ignore their looks and pretend attraction. I mean alot of time some let themselves go and I mean to the point that their high school picture looks like some distant relative.
I mean do you guys watch some of those cool makeovers? You see the boring plain Jane turn into a sexy sultry Janet! Get a make over gents!! When you look in the mirror naked do you say wow now that's a stud! Seriously you guys can follow what women do and make small changes.
Now looks get a man so far. After this it goes on his personality and how respectful he is.
Again I did add sugar dating as on option for those that are into women half or 3x younger than themselves. On these sites women are their for that purpose. In the SC they are there to strip. It's not a place to pick up dates unless you happen to be a combination of attractive+generous+respectful.
So back to $$$ Yes you can keep paying and hope that eventually she notices you but it's highly unlikely if she's married, gay or attached. Plus again some women will never date a customer for the fact that he is a customer.
I don't understand if you meant just having sex. Or did you mean a future wife? Just for an afternoon smoothie? I'm not exactly sure what your end game is for wanting to meet a dancer outside the club. Is it an ego thing? I'm not sure. I think if we heard what a man's motivation or end game was then I would know how to respond to that specifically. Again I need to know what he's working with and what he wants.
firemaiden04
09-20-2011, 09:44 PM
If you were Trent Reznor or Alexander Skarsgard and you walked into my club, I would go home with you. That's about what it would take, cause I've had some awful sexy men want me to go home with them, and I never even considered considering it. It's just work.
skwadim
09-22-2011, 01:02 PM
Women spend a great amount of money on the way they look and men end up spending money on them to look at it. lol
Part of that has to do with evolutionary roles. If men spent the same amount of money on the way they look, it wouldn't have the same positive return as it does for women. There's a law of diminishing returns there.
But I agree, like you said, there's likely a "sweet spot" of how much a guy should invest and how much it will get him in return.
KeithDoxen
09-22-2011, 05:00 PM
Part of that has to do with evolutionary roles. If men spent the same amount of money on the way they look, it wouldn't have the same positive return as it does for women. There's a law of diminishing returns there.
A very wise, middle-aged woman once told me that the oldest form of commerce is "sex for stuff," with women providing sex in exchange for men providing stuff. I think humans are generally still hard-wired that way.
Incidentally, one of the ways that the dynamics of the SC upend the way that we're hard-wired is with the norm that the ladies are expected to approach the men. It seems that IRL it's usually the other way around, and I suspect that, by and large, men are wired to pursue women, and women, to be pursued by men. Most of us men like the fact that the SC turns the tables for once and lets us have the fantasy of being pursued by the ladies. But I think that's why there are so many threads in Hustle Hut that deal with ways for the ladies to maintain confidence while approaching the men, or to take rejection in the best way possible, or to convince the men to approach them. It's probably fairly innate for women to be the ones who are generally "chased" and the role-reversal in the SC seems to be one of the major challenges that the dancers generally deal with, at least based on what I've read so far.
KS_Stevia
09-22-2011, 05:51 PM
So basically you're saying that if a guy looks like a male model, he might be able to pick up a girl at a strip club. Fair enough, but it seems to me that a guy who looks like a male model is going to be able to pick up girls anywhere. As such, I doubt those sorts of guys are going to be hanging out on this website asking for advice on how to meet strippers OTC.
I mean, most of us aren't Italian models. If the reality is that most of us average-looking guys aren't going to be able to pull off the OTC thing with a stripper, then that's fine. That's honest, and I respect that. But I think what the guys on this site as asking is how can an Average Joe improve his chances of convincing a stripper to meet him OTC. My guess is that this doesn't happen very frequently at all, and is probably extremely rare.
He doesn't have to be a model, but a guy who can pick up a stripper is generally going to be a guy who has no trouble picking up girls everywhere. The average joe who can't get laid socially is going to have an even WORSE chance of getting a stripper than the sack than he would by going somewhere else...not counting pay4play type situations.
hurrication
09-22-2011, 07:38 PM
When we finally hung out OTC, I was insanely impressed by the fact that he still acted like a gentleman - he didn't treat me like a "stripper" - he treated me like a lady. Like just a regular girl he would meet and talk with anywhere else. And didn't try to "get with" me. It impressed me so much, I decided to pursue seeing him in more private settings.
I honestly never even planned on making a post on this forum.. but after reading this and seeing similar things mentioned in other threads, it really stands out to me. I have spent all 27 years of my life being a gentleman to the core and it has gotten me absolutely nowhere with young women... to the point that I am almost bitter... always losing out to the outgoing and unpredictable alpha male with a hot body. The chivalry and respect are recognized but never truly appreciated. It just warms my heart a little bit to see that there are people out there who can appreciate a true gentleman.