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AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 09:18 PM
I wouldnt trust them. This happens because theyre beholden to foreign companies and they can just walk away because the us govt wont do anything about it.
Even adultwork is a foreign company- belize, netherlands and uk and could just walk away with your money at anytime.
Cam in the USA. Bank in the USA!
KitanaBlades
08-29-2011, 09:22 PM
No No Amy...
I was asking if you knew that SMW was a foreign company?
I said because last I checked and talked to admin - he was in the USA.
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 09:36 PM
a lot of these companies and gambling companies are offshore or in foreign countries.. even if theyre here they may have servers in holland or elsewhere because laws are easier there.
the processors are mostly foreign as well and us banking laws aimed primarily at shutting down the gambling industry are also forcing adultprocessors to not take these transactions as well and its easy to say if youre sturggling but you have money coming in you could just claim you didnt get your money and its being chargebacked and walk away.
Cam in the USA. Bank in the USA. If youre a foreign entity you are harming our country and our jobs!
KitanaBlades
08-29-2011, 09:43 PM
Nope....SMW didn't have their servers in a foreign country either.
I will say ONE thing - he was very upfront not only to me but a few other girls with the things he did with SMW business in the beginning.
I will give it to him for being honest to MANY of the girls in the beginning. I am surely starting to believe that he just gave up on the business and shut it down. I don't think there was any ill-plans in the works. I just think he stopped it - that's all.
But, like I said, it was all USA based....him and I had a discussion on those other companies that screw people. If he told MissEgo that everyone WOULD be paid - and people have gotten paid in the past like Halo, I am sure that everyone will get what they need.
It doesn't even matter at this point really WHERE he was or what his business practices were - as long as everyone gets paid which he has assured the girls they will...Nothing of it otherwise matters of where he was or not.
I just hope they get paid as he says and soon. Fucking with a girls' money is a NO NO.
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 09:48 PM
Too many companies have done this.. sad to see!
Here is adultwork though:
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KitanaBlades
08-29-2011, 09:52 PM
Yeah - that's adultwork.
Amy, this thread is about SMW not Adultwork hun. LOL.
I don't understand why you are talking about foreign countries and that in this thread...when this is about SMW and not Adultwork...
I mean I didn't do anything fancy like THAT on SMW but....I just don't understand why you are making a debate on foreign companies when that wasn't even why this thread was opened...
So - do you know something we don't that SMW is foreign and neglected to tell us? I mean that is what he told US....
I am just trying to understand your point as to why you are making that debate when that's not what this thread was about.
MissEgo
08-29-2011, 09:55 PM
Cam in the USA. Bank in the USA. If youre a foreign entity you are harming our country and our jobs!
I'm Canadian...
KitanaBlades
08-29-2011, 10:01 PM
I'm Canadian...
I am just not understanding MissEgo....
and I don't think PJ would let AW let anyone take off with DP members money.
PJ has come so far - and I don't think creating doubt is going to go far with this.
I still just don't understand why she is talking about foreign countries and Adultwork when this was about SMW and them maybe NOT paying you guys, with the site shutting down.
I don't recall him saying his servers were foreign....did he say anything to you? You are about the only girl I know of he talked to as much as I did.
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 10:05 PM
many companies are on foreign servers and may not even know it... if you get a hostgator account you could be on a us server r a foreign server. godaddy when t first started was on foreign servers.
the sites that say raise money for girls to get implants rake in a ton of money just like smw and mgf etc. Its easy to just walk away and with foreign based processors its much easier.
I may be wrong but usually where there is smoke there is fire!
MissEgo
08-29-2011, 10:06 PM
I just meant the part about "foreign entities" harming USA jobs. I cam in Canada. I don't think I'm harming anyone. lol I don't know why the posts about AW here either, I'm lost on that.
He's American, and SMW was American. We talked all the time before I had to take some time off.
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 10:07 PM
how many ponzi scheme guys have been busted who were upfront and trusted.. bernie madoff stole billions. enron stole billions. george soros has stolen billions. many more. Its easy when you dont have full disclosure and dont release your earnings and payouts to your contractors etc.
KitanaBlades
08-29-2011, 10:12 PM
Ok.....
I still do not get it.
As for myfreeimplants - have you seen there verification processes?
That site doesn't rake in cash - in order to even get ACCESS to the money - the money is sent to the DOCTOR, not the girl. You are not permitted to get funds off that site.
Everything goes to the DR and that's it. Nothing ever goes to the girl. I am sure they take a % or a fee, but regardless nothing goes to the girl. They made that abundantly clear on signups for everyone - girl and guy. I think you have to pick a provider even before you can even receive anything...I do know there is a LARGE verification process though.
Back to the topic of SMW....AW and MFI has nothing to do with this conversation....at all.
Has anyone gotten their checks yet or heard anything else?
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 10:17 PM
Its just an example. I know how that site is run but others try to emulate it and they get a lot of cash. Gambling is a huge one does that. The companies that are offshore could just walk away the day after the superbowl with tens of millions of dolars and nobody know who owns them.
If a company is in Belize, Costa Rica, Netherlands etc that might be a sign.
Back to SMW as you want.. its odd that a site thats new just closes yet seemed to be making money and signing up girls.. perhaps a sign- don't know but I wouldn't be surprised.
Arialandre
08-29-2011, 10:17 PM
Ok Amy let's just caaaaaaalm down ok? Let's get this back on track. it has been established that SMW is an American site so let's get back to the matter at hand.
NO good will come of you fear mongering foreign companies.
KitanaBlades
08-29-2011, 10:23 PM
Its just an example. I know how that site is run but others try to emulate it and they get a lot of cash. Gambling is a huge one does that. The companies that are offshore could just walk away the day after the superbowl with tens of millions of dolars and nobody know who owns them.
If a company is in Belize, Costa Rica, Netherlands etc that might be a sign.
Back to SMW as you want.. its odd that a site thats new just closes yet seemed to be making money and signing up girls.. perhaps a sign- don't know but I wouldn't be surprised.
Amy - no one is talking about offshore companies and SMW isn't an offshore company!!
It cannot be an example if it isn't something that relates to it. It can't be a sign when a site just closes....a site can close for many other reasons rather than just skating with cash. Above MissEgo got a message from Admin stating everyone would be paid and like I said, I talked to him - it's not offshore!
Please re-read the thread..the site just didn't close - it was active for a bit and making money, paid on time for a bit, etc. It's not a sign of anything - just means something happened and it's closed. That's all.
Let's just stay on the SMW topic. :)
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 10:24 PM
scam!
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 10:28 PM
think about this though... if hes holding onto the money to ride out the chargebacks and it takes 225 days like someone said earlier.. hes making interest while it sits in his bank.. there is temptation for him if ever needs money in a hurry!
Arialandre
08-29-2011, 10:31 PM
Alright enough. Let's just try to be productive about the whole thing.
Amy unless you're going to actively DO something to help these women scramming "scam" and spreading fear among the masses is NOT needed. People are angry, people are scared, they are frustrated and have bills to pay. Please, why not try to come up with something supportive to say instead of being a Twist?
Ladies. This is our livelihood here. Let's try to help each other up instead of terrify each other ok. We now have a jist of about how long the money will be held for.
225 days.
If you get more REAL info be sure to add it. But let's try to use this thread to get each other through now ok?
Let's spread some lovin.
KitanaBlades
08-29-2011, 10:54 PM
Has anyone heard anything else after MissEgo's email?
Anything at all about a sooner paydate or any updates?
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 11:00 PM
sorry. I may have gone a bit far but I think there needs to be something done about these companies that come and go and do this all the time!
I think studios etc should have to pay and ad fee for being on here and also list their principals and their address as well as full disclosure as to banking and servers.
Alright enough. Let's just try to be productive about the whole thing.
Amy unless you're going to actively DO something to help these women scramming "scam" and spreading fear among the masses is NOT needed. People are angry, people are scared, they are frustrated and have bills to pay. Please, why not try to come up with something supportive to say instead of being a Twist?
Ladies. This is our livelihood here. Let's try to help each other up instead of terrify each other ok. We now have a jist of about how long the money will be held for.
225 days.
If you get more REAL info be sure to add it. But let's try to use this thread to get each other through now ok?
Let's spread some lovin.
KitanaBlades
08-29-2011, 11:08 PM
um ok....
I am sorry about your frustrations Amy....
but SMW, MGF or MFI aren't these types of companies that you are referring to.
This thread is about SMW and they aren't anything like the companies you were describing to anything I have read, heard from Admin or know about.
Let's just worry about that. The girls need POSITIVE right now - not scared shitless.
EternalRose
08-29-2011, 11:31 PM
I got basically the same e-mail as MissEgo this morning. So not much more I can do but give em the info and wait for a check one day. *crosses fingers*
AmyLynne
08-29-2011, 11:33 PM
I think everyone should contact him and tell him he needs to pay the chargebacks and payout the girls. Its their money that they earned. Put pressure non him. File with a state attorney general if you have to.
Bambalina
08-30-2011, 02:42 AM
Amy, do you have any money with this guy? Do you have anything to lose or are you just spouting?
As far as I can tell you're a new camsite owner located in the USA and so you now want to go on a rant in every thread you can about how ONLY camsites in the USA are worth while. So you decided this was a good place to do it.
Strangely, you pick AW which always pays well and on time and which no-one has had any problems with. And attack them and post whois info and stuff on a site no-one has ever had any problems with.
These ladies seem to be able to handle themselves and should be allowed to handle their own business (unless you DID lose money here, and if so I apologize) and work this out. From what I have seen, nothing you have typed here has been any use to anyone, and can only be called self-serving Pro-USA/Anti-overseas claptrap.
For your information any real camsite has certain distinct advantages by having their servers overseas, and especially in banking havens, who also are not subject to 2257 and other regulations which could be enforced at any time. Please read up on the legal reasons for hosting adult content overseas, as you are about to hire women and put their legal status in your hands, and seem to think the only reason people put sites overseas is so they can skate with the money.
Also, finally, SM is a USA based company. Yet if you look up their whois they are listed in Cyprus and also have servers in NL...There is huge reasons for that, which I will allow you to find for yourself, however, if you think the money doesn't get repatriated right back to Washington State, then you have no idea how business works.
Other than that, ladies, good luck and I hope the money comes back to you sooner rather than later.
B
SlippingHalo
08-30-2011, 03:18 AM
Cam in the USA? Bank in the USA? What about all my cam friends who are in Canada, the UK...
...and what about the fact that so many payment processors in the US don't handle adult transactions.
Admin is definitely in the US - the money order I got was US-based (or check, I honestly do not remember), from a US address.
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Regarding "VaVaVoom" aka Sexx(x)yAshley - she was kicked off my main site (Camwhores.com) and I've only seen that happen maybe twice in the eight years I've been there. She flaunted the rules and they didn't tolerate that. I spoke with Kitana about her and confirmed with Admin what I knew. He had said he'd removed her from the site once before but she begged to come back and apologized profusely.
A few weeks later, I had a customer on the site complain about her out of the blue. She supposedly made nice after Admin had a talk with her but I don't know after that. The private forum is still up - the last it says she visited was 7/4 though I do recall her being on after that.
My husband, upon hearing Ashley was on the site when I initially joined, went "oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo". He was around on CW when she was going crazy and we have a few mutual friends who are involved in camming (as fans or cammers) and she's well known in our circles to cause drama. She was kicked off MGF and is back on there again.
I think that the issue with SMW is that he dropped so much money (25k I think he said?) into it and it didn't work. He was also trying to get another version of the site up and running. My husband dropped the same into a "normal" company and it failed within a year. Shit happens. The adult business is a hard nut to crack. From what I can tell, SMW plans to make nice. He SHOULD take the risk for the chargebacks but there is nothing that says he has to.
Please see this --
and imagine every transaction you had - each time someone bought credits there -- say maybe four transactions per credit load -- now imagine that Admin has to foot the bill for EVERY transaction plus a a fee plus a possible fine.
So yeah. Things are going to be hectic but considering he's basically being torn into by every girl ever that was on there (and rightfully so, a heads up would have been nice) and still maintaining professional composure, I'm going to give the guy some credit.
SlippingHalo
08-30-2011, 03:27 AM
My Google-Fu has shown me something interesting. Apparently MGF filed a lawsuit against SMW earlier this month. I wonder if that's why the shutdown occurred, they may have received a cease and desist.
eta: because it will be asked -- copyright infringement, which makes me laugh as MGF was accusing SMW of lifting their code. In another life, I used to design websites and I saw no "lifting" of any sort. If MGF is going to claim copyright infringement they damn well better have a good case.
KitanaBlades
08-30-2011, 08:01 AM
My Google-Fu has shown me something interesting. Apparently MGF filed a lawsuit against SMW earlier this month. I wonder if that's why the shutdown occurred, they may have received a cease and desist.
eta: because it will be asked -- copyright infringement, which makes me laugh as MGF was accusing SMW of lifting their code. In another life, I used to design websites and I saw no "lifting" of any sort. If MGF is going to claim copyright infringement they damn well better have a good case.
Yeah - he was worried about that as well. I don't think MGF stands a chance in this part though. From what I heard in the grapevine they have done this to EVERYONE that makes a site. But the law is funny in ways I haven't learned yet.
Yeah - a legal cease and desist order is def possible with this....
AmyLynne
08-30-2011, 08:06 AM
You cant really force a company out of business though if they just have a similiar concept- that would make them a monopoly and get them into antitrust areas of the law.
But if MGF has a track record of harassing competitors eventaully you will see them get into legal trouble.
The guy with SMW just needs to pay you all out and end the charade. While hes waiting for chargebacks that may never occur he's banking interest.
KitanaBlades
08-30-2011, 08:15 AM
The guy with SMW will do what is best for his company AND the girls - I believe he isn't a shady skating douche. No point in it.
Amy - please stop saying he is collecting interest and what not - I highly doubt he is bothering with that. Admin is a DECENT dude and many of us CAN vouch for that.
His company may have just failed and it happens to MANY people - I am sure if he was skating with the money or any portion of the money - he wouldn't bother e-mailing any of the girls to explain the situation or anything. So, if he is doing that, I don't think he has any intention on keeping the money. I am staying positive about this. Admin is a good dude and just didn't have a good nutcracker with the adult industry is all.
Stay POSITIVE.
BlueYozakura
08-30-2011, 09:34 AM
The contests were mostly member run, including that... video. There was some discussion with admin about making contests have a deposit so people couldn't just cut and run.
Sorry I'm sort of skimming, power was out for almost 24 hours and I have so much to catch up on IRL.
I sent him that suggestion too. I first thought $1,000? When do you see that amount put up on a brand new site? I felt this was going to be a dash and run for the guy to get videos and never pay.
Sent a suggested to put funds of this amount on hold (also could make interest) and then release them to the model the contest holder chooses. Ensuring some honest method of avoiding scams.
Since I didn't get a response, I assumed either he did collect the money or the contest holder wasn't going to pay. Either way it seemed risky. Plus it wasn't a fetish I desired participating in.
With the site closing right after like this, it makes me wonder.
Also 225 days seems like some sort of legal statute of limitations. What for I don't actually know. It does sound like the money could possibly in a CD to collect interest. If he's lost any money building this site and taking 35% then this may be his best option to cover some of his losses and also pay monies out later.
Hoping this all gets sorted out without a need for litigation.
Staying positive is the best thing.
MissEgo
08-30-2011, 09:59 AM
Please see this -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_account#Chargeback_fee
and imagine every transaction you had - each time someone bought credits there -- say maybe four transactions per credit load -- now imagine that Admin has to foot the bill for EVERY transaction plus a a fee plus a possible fine.
So yeah. Things are going to be hectic but considering he's basically being torn into by every girl ever that was on there (and rightfully so, a heads up would have been nice) and still maintaining professional composure, I'm going to give the guy some credit.
Admin explained to me about chargebacks, and yep, there is a TON of fees if someone issues one. So ladies, PLEASE, do NOT go telling your guys to start issuing chargebacks on the site (as it HAS been mentioned to me multiple times), because that is NOT what we want!! I also agree that he deserves some credit for having to handle everything.
His company may have just failed and it happens to MANY people - I am sure if he was skating with the money or any portion of the money - he wouldn't bother e-mailing any of the girls to explain the situation or anything.
EXACTLY! Sure, it may take him a while to wade through the THOUSANDS of emails, because I'm sure everyone has emailed him a few times. But he does respond.
Sent a suggested to put funds of this amount on hold (also could make interest) and then release them to the model the contest holder chooses. Ensuring some honest method of avoiding scams.
Since I didn't get a response, I assumed either he did collect the money or the contest holder wasn't going to pay. Either way it seemed risky. Plus it wasn't a fetish I desired participating in.
With the site closing right after like this, it makes me wonder.
Also 225 days seems like some sort of legal statute of limitations. What for I don't actually know. It does sound like the money could possibly in a CD to collect interest. If he's lost any money building this site and taking 35% then this may be his best option to cover some of his losses and also pay monies out later.
Hoping this all gets sorted out without a need for litigation.
Staying positive is the best thing.
A number of girls suggested having to put contest prize money into a "fund" and then it being paid out to the winner; as far as I know, from the conversations I had with Admin about it, it was something he wanted to implement.
225 days is the maximum amount of time for chargebacks, depending on which card is used.
Admin and I had talked frequently (I was online just about 16 hours a day every day for quite a while). He has assured me that it's not a scam, he just has to wait out the chargebacks. He has also said that he cannot discuss why the site had to shut down, which means that it probably was a legal reason.
MissEgo
09-07-2011, 12:03 PM
No new info as far as I know
KitanaBlades
09-07-2011, 12:11 PM
Damnit.
He didn't wait to collect MY money, and I did all the work so why in the hell should i have to wait to get paid my funds? I want to know why he didn't email me and tell me that the site was closing or why he didn't let me know that i had to wait 225 days to get my payment. I worked for that money and i want it when i earned it.
there was nothing in his so called terms of service that stated that we would have to wait 225 days for payment if the site closed....
SlippingHalo
09-10-2011, 02:17 AM
The 225 days is in order to make sure he does, indeed, "have" your money. If someone follows the advice of some silly girls and initiates a chargeback, he will not "have" your money.
Just because he didn't explicitly state that you'd have to wait for the chargeback doesn't make that not exist.
Also, I'm just gonna take a shot in the dark and say I doubt he thought the site would be closing. He spent a decent amount on the site in the first place and for him to only have it operational for a few months definitely did not get him into the black.
MissEgo
09-10-2011, 09:47 AM
^ Agree 120%
bump. has it been 225 days yet?
MissEgo
09-18-2011, 10:55 AM
If we're counting 225 days from when I received my email (August 28th)...
August 28th is the 240th day of the year.
240th day + 225 days = 465
465-365 = 100
100th day of the year = April 10th.
The 225 days will be up on April 10th. Write it down on your calendar.
(someone check my math).
KitanaBlades
09-18-2011, 10:27 PM
He didn't wait to collect MY money, and I did all the work so why in the hell should i have to wait to get paid my funds? I want to know why he didn't email me and tell me that the site was closing or why he didn't let me know that i had to wait 225 days to get my payment. I worked for that money and i want it when i earned it.
there was nothing in his so called terms of service that stated that we would have to wait 225 days for payment if the site closed....
I know love...it sucks...
But ya gotta be patient. Everyone else is in the SAME BOAT....
:(
No new info anyone?
SlippingHalo
09-19-2011, 04:01 AM
Just gonna pop this in here for anyone who doesn't think MGF is litigious or has anything to do with SMW shutting down.
Bonus points for a certain Ashley promoting SMW in the comments of the original post.
Thanks goes to Benic from ELM for sending me the link.
KitanaBlades
09-19-2011, 09:25 AM
Just read it.. He posted this in OW too....
WOW.
melanielive
09-19-2011, 05:16 PM
Oh wow look at that..... so who knows? maybe they got upset with smw too and that s why they closed down... I wouldn t be surprised.... but who r they to make any competition web site shut down like that??? crazy!
MissEgo
09-19-2011, 07:50 PM
Didn't we already know this because of what Halo posted about smw "lifting code" from mgf (even though none of the code was the same)?
SlippingHalo
09-20-2011, 02:37 AM
Yes, but now we are showing that is is a pervasive thing that MyGirlFund is doing. They are bullying the competition who, at least in SMW's case, didn't have the foothold in the industry to really fight back. It's pretty pathetic if you ask me. I was on MGF a long time ago when they were in beta before their "rules" were clear and I was removed for mentioning that a member used the same name on another (non camming) site in a chat and saying I liked his artwork. I don't really hold a grudge against them but at the same time, I've seen them kick people off for small mistakes and this whole lawsuit thing just makes me think they are bullies. I don't like bullies. I understand protecting one's intellectual property but I don't think they invented "girls getting naked on the internet for money".
Benic did comment that the T&C from MGF and SMW were damn similar but if I remember right (kind of fuzzy), MGF changed their T&C after SMW popped up and then tried to get the Admin of SMW to change his.
PrincessJenny
09-26-2011, 01:04 PM
Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread yet but the site appears to be gone.
Any updates?
MissEgo
09-26-2011, 02:07 PM
Yep, the site's been gone for a while; we're just waiting out the time limit for chargebacks as far as I know.
Anyone else have any new info?
KitanaBlades
09-26-2011, 02:42 PM
Not that I have heard. It sucks though.
MGF is on the warpath with its competition.
MissEgo
02-27-2012, 12:06 PM
Well ladies... pretty much six weeks until our 225 days of waiting is up! That means I should probably contact the smwadmin (I don't know his name) with an address of where he can send my cheque. BUT since the site is shut down and expired, I'm sure
[email protected] or
[email protected] or whatever probably won't work any more.
So...?
EternalRose
02-27-2012, 01:04 PM
fudge!
I just kinda assumed he'd send it to whatever address we had given him, but that would be suck for anyone that moved. And i honestly cant even remember if I gave an address or anything, since i didnt quite make a cashout b4 the site went bellyup. Fudgie-Fudge!
Hrmmm...damn i got no ideas of usefulness atm.