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keela
06-01-2012, 05:39 PM
If you were signed up for a studio, id say go for it. That is about 7-8months of not streaming so in most cases (not all but most) you should be good to go.
If you find youre under contract still for one studio - most studios only work with one site, so as long as you know which site you appear on, you should be able to work any other major site with no issue. For cam sites the exclusivity clause in your independent modeling contract isnt firm, so go for it
If youre stuck we can try (try) to get you off of the original contract if possible but I think youll be OK!
.com claims they work through the most sites to make you the most money when they sign you up, so I believe it's more than one... though streamate was the (excuse me for not knowing proper lingo) window that popped up to log into. I don't know if that means they lied or if it's the main one and goes to several sites after, but it's all kind of confusing how it works... probably intentionally confusing ;) Thank you for the info. I'll have to find the contract in my email.
roast
06-02-2012, 04:38 AM
^Ahhh - when you wrote out the site name in your post just now did you write internet modeling.com (no space?). So on StripperWeb Internetmodel!ng.com is banned from even being mentioned (like the forum software banned the name so it cant even be posted) due to how heavily they were spamming here. I don't know if you got my response (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?148967-Best-Cam-Sites&p=2356740&viewfull=1#post2356740) to you a few days ago, but here it is:
1. Check out this post (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2305415&viewfull=1#post2305415) to see the details on why Internet modeling.com is, well, bullshit (sorry Im not caffeinated, usually I try to be more diplomatic). The quick and dirty of it is you only appeared on Streamate.com. That's it.
Also weirdly that studio is notorious for taking forever to process applications. You'd think a studio would want you working asap and 3 weeks is ridiculously long to get started on Streamate.com. For most it takes up to 5days.
I cant link to it but their site you'll see a long list of the sites you appear on in their network? ALL of those sites are white labels of Streamate. A white label is basically repackaging the original site as a different brand to give it maximum exposure. Check out the breakdown of how they work (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2305415&viewfull=1#post2305415). They only work with Streamate.com.
2. Internet modeling unfortunately keeps you stuck in their contract for a year. Meaning from the last time you broadcast a full year needs to pass before you can get out of it. So please don't sign back into your account with them.
Ways Ive heard about people getting out of their contract is to:
a. [waiting game, highest likelihood of success] wait out the remaining months on your contract and then sign up directly. Minimum is 6months for most studios but 1yr is also common. You can work any other site you want while waiting, it just cannot be Streamate.com
b. [moderate to low likelihood of success as this mostly relies on CS inattention] Request a permanent account closure for your model account Streamate and sign up under a new email address and hope they dont notice (yea, not the best option). I read ages ago someone started a studio account on SM and signed themselves up as a studio model as a way to get out of a previous studio contract but that sounds unnecessarily complicated and I cant confirm it worked.
c. [likelihood of success explained here (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-(aka-avoid-studios)&p=2405259&viewfull=1#post2405259)] sign up with PrincessJenny's DailyPay service (http://www.adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/), click here for details on switching (http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45:how-to-signup-for-streamate-if-you-already-have-a-streamate-account&catid=5:faq-and-how-tos).
Via DP your payout percentage will be 30% and youll get paid the next day after you worked, which is not the 35% of an independent performer who gets paid weekly but it is a big leap from Internetmodel ings's meagre 20% with no payout acceleration. There are no contractual waiting periods to leave or join DP, I think the only wait periods are just based on administrative processing. You would have to create a new stage name if you leave. There are many reviews and FAQs about DailyPay (or DP) in SW also if you want to check them out first before using this option. Just search "DailyPay".
loveshooks
06-05-2012, 10:03 AM
I tried it out with modelxonline, then i stopped, and restarted a bit again.. I didnt do much work, but it amounted to over $400.
Wanted to do more work, but every week i received no payment, so began to get concerned and emailed support at modelxonline.
I have since sent about 6 emails spaced out over 2 months..and have had some replies, along the lines of sorry there was a problem with International payments and payment being sent out right away..etc..but still not sorted and no payment.
Has anyone had problems with modelxonline? As they are a big agency, and i had read nothing bad, i thought they would be good to go with..but no payment..and loss of work, because i wont log on with them until i see no issue with payments. Also have had customers write to me, asking when ill be on, but i wont log in until amended.
Anyone ever had issues with non-payment.
No idea what to do!
Thank you for any advice you can give.
Ugggh, modelxonline is a studio for streamate. You're working on streamate, but since you work through a studio, they collect a percentage of your earnings for doing absolutely nothing for you in return.
This thread explains what a studio is, and why 99.9% of studios are to be avoided.
(edit, Laurie and GG beat me to it, thanks:) )
It appears that you've been doing everything right in trying to collect your earnings, and I have no idea if the studio you work for will actually give you your $$$$. I'm sorry it's been such a hassle for you, and hopefully some chicas here will be able to offer you some helpful suggestions on how to proceed and successfully collect the earnings you earned. A pox on the houses of every company like modelxonline that steals from cam chicas and forces us to fight for what's rightfully ours... seriously, even in abstract this infuriates me.
If there's a bright side, your problems with your studio have led you here, so read through the thread linked above in this and Laurie's post. You can earn a much higher percentage off every $ you earn on streamate if you leave your studio. If you had signed up directly with sm you would be earning 35% of each $ spent on you on that site, compared to whatever % you are currently making with your studio (although since the f$%#ers haven't even been paying you, at this moment that's kind of a moot point) >:(
While most studios prevent chicas who leave from signing up directly with sm for a full year, there is one non-parasitic studio called Daily Pay (run by stripperweb member PrincessJenny) that can help you leave.
Through DailyPay you will earn 30% on sm (which works out to a cost of $15 out of your pocket on every $100 you earn on streamate). There is also a weekly pay option on this studio, which I believe costs 3% of your earnings (a $9 cost to you on every $100 you earn).
If and when you get your pay from modelxonline, close that account and try signing up for streamate directly. If you're refused due to your prior status as a studio cammer, either sign up with Daily Pay to continue working streamate, or read through this forum and check out some other good-$$$$ sites such as cams.com and adultwork that you can work while waiting out the one year period before you can sign up with streamate again directly.
peace and $$$$$$ and good luck!
roast
06-12-2012, 09:12 AM
Just wish to say thank you all so very much for advice and direction.
I am STILL chasing my payment!!!
I recently received an email from them asking for my Payoneer card number, when i already gave my email address, and Payoneer explicitly said i should NOT hand out both and email is enough to transfer funds. ..SO i have no idea what is going on here. Just seems like delay tactics, however, dont understand why on earth they would do that. They obviously have a lot of models and i see nothing negative written about them, so ....im a one off ??? I had a lot of faith that it would get amended, but its been months and months now..feel very let down.
Now wondering if i will EVER see the money i am due. Feeling very frustrated...and used.
Thank you all so much again.
SM's policy is to defer to the studio - but hey it cant hurt. I doubt itll do much but it wont... not do anything. Theyll probably just forward it back to your studio owner, which may freak them out a bit that youre not just sending emails to them.
Id suggest not giving them your Payoneer number, if they have the email address associated with your card they should be able to load funds without it. Youll see this on the loading page for Payoneer: https://load.payoneer.com/LoadToPage.aspx, theyre just dicking you around or will use it unlawfully.
I think all of these suggestions here are valuable:
http://www.freelancewriting.com/articles/article-when-clients-dont-pay.php
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/04/09/dealing-with-clients-who-refuse-to-pay/
This is an example of a snail mail letter that freelancers use: https://fu-res.org/pdfs/advocacy/Form_of_Collection_Letter.pdf
The whois information for the site is locked but:
1. Im pretty sure I found the guy's full name, number, and physical address to initiate real contact so he knows youre serious and will file a claims, Im just confirming it at the moment. He's on GFY (adult webmaster forum) and owns a bunch of white labels. I can PM it to you once Im 100% sure it is him, Ill PM you so you have it to send a physical letter (send it certified).
2. You can send snail mail to the domain host for his full contact information because of a pending legal matter. As long as your letter looks 100% serious and uber-professional, theyll give it to you on those grounds (its worked for me). But the site hasnt always concealed their whois info so there are already records of it, which is why Im just confirming what Im looking at is valid.
I think theyll keep dicking you around until you make it seem as if you are taking legal action and going above them. He is based in Canada so you may want to start looking into how small claims would even work in that scenario. Starting a physical letter, saving all of your correspondence (do screenshots of them just in case - both ends of it), and ensuring all of your correspondence from here forward is so professional itd make a law student blush will help.
You've taken the first step by making a public complaint though - some companies dont take complaint emails seriously until they realize the person theyre interacting with took it to social media (aka public). Honestly, even just forwarding this thread to them may freak them out because it disrupts their business. Theyre already listed on SW as a place to avoid signing up, this is another nail in their coffin for failure to pay. If you update this thread by saying "hey I got paid" that casts them in a better light search engine wise... and they should know that. Im not saying forward them this thread but... you need to get paid.
But otherwise dont expect them to pay bc you havent found any model complaints online. This guy has about 12 different adult affiliate and studio hustles going, I doubt this is the first instance of nonpayment. You probably havent found complaints due to a bunch of reasons: ppl dont know they can complain online, they dont know where to do it, they were ashamed to be doing this work and shame is its own form of silence, they probably dont have that many models working for them, etc.
Taking steps beyond emails may be your best option. You started with social media, but following some of the steps listed in the above links probably will have some value.
I dont know if youre still broadcasting with them, Id doubt it but in case you are Id strongly suggest you stop.
roast
06-12-2012, 09:54 AM
Yes, I have the right person. They have a few physical addresses over the past few years so if youre interested in going that route, prepare to send certified letters to more than one location. They all appear to be in the same province of Canada so youll hit one correctly. It may help petitioning the domain host of ModelXOnline as well so youre covering all of your bases (go daddy?). For 2257 compliance he had to list his address on one porn site as well (removed the link).
Just google "Halixxx Productions" and the addresses will all pop up. If you want to do an e-background check on him to find other addresses to double check, google the email address associated with the name of his company (starts with "benn"). It has a bunch of other stuff that comes up with it that you should google to find other addresses, like his ebay hustles, other virtual studios, and a few fake pharmaceutical pills sites.
This isnt a guy with a thriving business with full of ton of models - if it were, he wouldnt need 20+ other sites to split his attention across. Since he does borderline-legal things like selling viagra online, he hasnt dealt with legal ramifications of all of his startups before, I think looking into your options would be useful to get your money back. He doesnt take your work or you seriously so you need to get super serious with him.
EDIT: I realized linking to the sites/forums discussing this dude, even with anonym.to, may not be in your best interest, so feel free to PM me and Ill send them to you. This is kind of why many online studios suck so much: theyre run by people who are most used to affiliate marketing and various online hustles but have no clue how to deal with actually paying employees.
I think if he didnt have a bunch of shady operations going... Id say maybe (maybe) consider giving him your # then promptly canceling it if you dont get a load email within 24hrs, but given his other projects and his posting history on 2 sites where ppl accuse him of being shady(!): definitely dont. Hey all ideas are good ones bc this situation sucks.
roast
06-12-2012, 10:20 AM
Yea, the more Im digging up about him: you shouldnt give them the benefit of the doubt and it may be prudent to start treating this as a legal matter. Seriously.
One criminal matter involving him made the news a bunch of times only 2yrs ago. Not to say a lengthy criminal record precludes him of the ability to pay you - but expel any notion that this is a big reputable agency. It is just a guy, maybe with a temp assistant (he posted a job ad looking for one a few yrs ago). I think following the guidelines in the links above are a great idea... but also evaluate what your legal options are.
Silver lining: honestly, given that he does have a record and is likely to be on probation, he probably wont want to deal with courts again :shrug: and will recognize legalese when he sees it
EDIT: OP there are a few deadbeat / scam reports about this person, one even from his former partner. Whatever you do, do not give him your Payoneer number. You may want to try out legal forums to check up on advice. Saying youre a freelancer dealing with a nonpaying client can often facilitate conversations or are useful search terms to use in legal forums.
keela
06-12-2012, 09:00 PM
^Ahhh - when you wrote out the site name in your post just now did you write internet modeling.com (no space?). So on StripperWeb Internetmodel!ng.com is banned from even being mentioned (like the forum software banned the name so it cant even be posted) due to how heavily they were spamming here. I don't know if you got my response (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?148967-Best-Cam-Sites&p=2356740&viewfull=1#post2356740) to you a few days ago, but here it is:
1. Check out this post (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2305415&viewfull=1#post2305415) to see the details on why Internet modeling.com is, well, bullshit (sorry Im not caffeinated, usually I try to be more diplomatic). The quick and dirty of it is you only appeared on Streamate.com. That's it.
Also weirdly that studio is notorious for taking forever to process applications. You'd think a studio would want you working asap and 3 weeks is ridiculously long to get started on Streamate.com. For most it takes up to 5days.
I cant link to it but their site you'll see a long list of the sites you appear on in their network? ALL of those sites are white labels of Streamate. A white label is basically repackaging the original site as a different brand to give it maximum exposure. Check out the breakdown of how they work (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2305415&viewfull=1#post2305415). They only work with Streamate.com.
2. Internet modeling unfortunately keeps you stuck in their contract for a year. Meaning from the last time you broadcast a full year needs to pass before you can get out of it. So please don't sign back into your account with them.
Ways Ive heard about people getting out of their contract is to:
a. [high likelihood of success] sign up with PrincessJenny's DailyPay service (http://www.adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/), click here for details on switching (http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45:how-to-signup-for-streamate-if-you-already-have-a-streamate-account&catid=5:faq-and-how-tos).
Via DP your payout percentage will be 30% and youll get paid the next day after you worked, which is not the 35% of an independent performer who gets paid weekly but it is a big leap from Internetmodel ings's meagre 20% with no payout acceleration. There are no contractual waiting periods to leave or join DP, I think the only wait periods are just based on administrative processing. There are many reviews and FAQs about DailyPay (or DP) in SW also if you want to check them out first before using this option. Just search "DailyPay".
The person who runs this service is on StripperWeb regularly also.
b. [very low likelihood of success as this mostly relies on CS inattention] Request a permanent account closure for your model account Streamate and sign up under a new email address and hope they dont notice (yea, not the best option). I read ages ago someone started a studio account on SM and signed themselves up as a studio model as a way to get out of a previous studio contract but that sounds unnecessarily complicated and I cant confirm it worked.
c. [waiting game, highest likelihood of success] wait out the remaining months on your contract and then sign up directly. You can work any other site you want while waiting, it just cannot be Streamate.com
Oh wow, that's crazy!! I had no idea. You girls are awesome for this. I didn't get an email that you replied, or didn't notice it anyhow. I just found it doing more research. I tried to sign up with a few sites last night and today and had problems with all. AW wants a passport I guess. I only have a driver's license, which they say is too easy to forge. ifriends had a contract stating they have rights to my videos, which I'm not into. cams.com isn't able to get a headshot closeup loaded for whatever reason. It just says "image not available" and tells me to push the allow button that isn't there. I looked at ImLive and now am getting confused with looking at too many in such a short amount of time lol. I don't remember what I was skeptical about besides that it seemed like a low amount of $ they offer for an example of what you can make. Anyhow, seems like the girls on here like AW, so I emailed them and waiting for a response. Seems flexible with the id, but better with it for being verified. I was assuming it's required. I already did the whole download of the JustCamIt encoder. How long does this take? I'm thinking it's going to be fast, but who knows.
roast
06-13-2012, 06:07 AM
-You wont have any trouble signing up for sites that arent Streamate since IM is contracted through Streamate exclusively, so good luck!
-Most mega site listed in this thread have the rights to your videos (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?174704-Privacy-Am-I-entitled-to-any-%28Im-new-to-to-camming-%29), most contracts say this iFriends is just a more explicit
-If you're in the US on AW you will need a passport (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?174698-Anyone-tried-signing-up-for-AW) now to signup
-For most sites the wait time varies, Id say anything over 5 to 7 business days is something to ask the site about
There is a lot about the signup process for site here (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?150383-Starting-Place-For-Cam-Girls), and if you want feedback about specific sites there is a lot on each in the forums if you search by the name (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169932-How-to-do-a-search-on-Stripperweb) of the site. I dont mean for this to look like a brushoff, but I try to keep this thread as on topic as possible.
Good luck!
keela
06-13-2012, 12:02 PM
Ok, I'll do more searching. Sucks about AW. Thank you.
loveshooks
06-22-2012, 01:17 AM
^^^I'll delete my post if and when this blatant spam is removed.
No doubt some people DO earn more $$$$ on flirt4free than on sm, but why the hell would a chica sign up through the STUDIO link you've posted when they can sign up directly with flirt4free and keep 100% of their earnings after flirt4free takes it's cut? We understand you don't like that the chicas here on stripperweb are posting negative things about your studio, but hun, it's a studio. I'm seriously trying not to laugh at your audacity as I type this. Roast, Sweetheart and Jay aren't shills for sm, they're professionals who don't want to see other cam chicas get screwed over. The link you're spamming steals $$$ from chicas who aren't saavy enough to realize that your studio offers no tanglible benefit or knowledge that they can't learn themselves through experience or, better yet, find here. For free.
If I actually believed you weren't the owner of this studio I'd say more power to ya, you found something that works for you. Awesomesauce. Of course I don't believe you're a cam chica for a second, but either way, advocating that chicas sign up to a studio that provides nothing of any value compared to the huge percentage of earnings taken is totally ridiculous.
I swear, the more I learn about these parasites the more I'm convinced that this thread is the singular most important thread in all of cc, amongst a group of worthy contenders. Roast, I adore you. Have I mentioned that lately?
nemcis
06-22-2012, 01:41 AM
Found on another forum FantaseeTV, not sign up there, also a studio for SM
Decalyn
06-24-2012, 03:15 PM
Streamate limits you to only charging the customer $6 a minute and Flirt4Free you can charge up to $15 a minute.
Blatant lie, or you're very misinformed. The option is there, but hidden so that people don't abuse it.
toryburch
07-06-2012, 04:58 PM
OMG! I think I just signed up to a studio. I submitted my application and I guess I'm just waiting for approval. Is there anyway to cancel it? OR did I already screw myself over? :'( :banghead:
http://i48.tinypic.com/6egos2.jpg
I had no idea the studios were scams. I thought the studio was actually apart of the cam site. I found this link, along with other studios, on Yahoo!Answers. I started getting suspicious when the same users were posting the same answers/links to questions about webcam modeling.
I got a confirmation email to inform that my application is waiting to be reviewed. Is there anyway I can cancel/opt out of this and signup with steam mate directly? Like can I just ignore them if am I selected for their studio?
[email protected] modeling.com
2:47 PM (4 hours ago)
Hi,
We have received your application, and have assigned it to a staff member for review. If selected, we will contact you soon with further instructions on completing the hiring process.
You can view the status of your application by logging in to our Model Portal at:
http://www..com/models.htm
While your application is being reviewed, please try our live training website at http://www.webcammodels.com to test and practice your skills!
If you have not heard from us within 72 hours, please contact
[email protected] Thank you for your interest in working with us.
Best regards,
Internet Modeling.com
Recruiting Team
Keep up with our latest news and updates, follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/webcams
roast
07-06-2012, 09:10 PM
^My understanding is that as long as it is in the pipeline and you have not yet broadcast, you can still apply with Streamate directly. Id suggest you apply to Streamate ASAP at http://www.streamatemodels.com/ and possibly contact Vanessa (details here: vhttp://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?170324-If-your-documents-were-rejected-on-Streamate) to see if she can speed up your application.
Once your independent application is approved - ONLY stream with that account.
FYI - use a different email address and a different stage name than the one you used when you signed up through that studio.
you *should* be on your way to earning 35% per min of whatever you want to charge instead of IM's static rates which will earn you 20% per min & being contractually stuck.
Glasses
07-07-2012, 04:08 PM
How do you know that you are signed up with a studio?
My story: recently i discovered i,m earning 30% instead of 35% as an independent model. To my knowledge i never signed up under a studio. I asked customer support to look into my account, and received two contradictory responses: that i,m under "a" studio (who knows witch?), and the other one that my account is not under a studio. So how do i know what's really going on?
I didn't see if this was answered already, but, "certain" countries get only 30% on SM. So you sign up with SM for real, directly, but they only pay 30% for "certain" countries. I don't know the list of these "certain" countries, but I live in one of them in Central/Eastern Europe. As far as I know they don't lift the 3 weeks delay for these "certain" countries either. I cancelled my direct account and signed up with PJ. I get the same 30% with her, daily.
Probably one of these support memebers translated this "certain" countries stuff as a collective studio for the discriminated countries, and one translated it as no studio, just smaller percentage for the models from there.
toryburch
07-07-2012, 05:17 PM
^My understanding is that as long as it is in the pipeline and you have not yet broadcast, you can still apply with Streamate directly. Id suggest you apply to Streamate ASAP at http://www.streamatemodels.com/ and possibly contact Vanessa (details here: vhttp://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?170324-If-your-documents-were-rejected-on-Streamate) to see if she can speed up your application.
Once your independent application is approved - ONLY stream with that account.
FYI - use a different email address and a different stage name than the one you used when you signed up through that studio.
you *should* be on your way to earning 35% per min of whatever you want to charge instead of IM's static rates which will earn you 20% per min & being contractually stuck.
When I made an acct at SM, I signed up with a different email, but with the same screen name. I won't be able to submit the age verify/performer agreement forms until tomorrow (Sunday). Is there anyway, I can change my screen name with SM?
I got an email from IM today saying my app was approved and that I need to submit some documents or contract. I have not sent them any of this nor have I logged into their model portal. Thanks for all your help. Somehow, I always make things hard for myself. Unintentionally, of course! lol
Decalyn
07-08-2012, 01:27 PM
It's a good thing that you still need to submit documents. Ignore them, and go ahead with creating a normal SM account, filling out all their documentation. You may have to use a different name, but whatever. At least you aren't with they-who-must-remain-unnamed.
tiffanilin
07-18-2012, 11:03 AM
I may have missed a post about how to do this, but I've signed up with a studio that goes through SM. Is it hard to get out of the studio and try to register with SM by itself?
roast
07-20-2012, 02:20 PM
I may have missed a post about how to do this, but I've signed up with a studio that goes through SM. Is it hard to get out of the studio and try to register with SM by itself?
This (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2358565&viewfull=1#post2358565) is a rambling explanation of some of your options, I need to make that less sprawling but that is one post. There are a few others in this thread as well, that one is most recent.
There is also more info from ppl actually leaving their studios that may help, here (www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?174948-Negotiating-with-a-studio-for-higher-percentage) and here (www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?175793-non-payment-by-quot-studio-quot-where-do-I-go-from-here) and here (www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163052-only-20-on-streamate!).
If that didnt help, let us know
JoJoX
08-14-2012, 06:59 PM
i would just like to add, excuse me if it was already said i did not read all the replies, there are members on this very site picking on girls that dont know any better urging them to sign up for a studio. when cam girls get other girls to sign up, they get a percentage of what the new cam girl makes.
roast
08-15-2012, 05:11 PM
Hey JoJo - the thread has some advice about this:
5. Unsolicited offer - rule 1 (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2195817&viewfull=1#post2195817) and We are female / camgirls - rule 14 (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2195817&viewfull=1#post2195817): sorry camgirls but I have to say this - camgirls often hawk [...] studios and act as model recruiters. Or they have their OWN studios while still working from the site directly.
Some camgirls are embarrassed or sneaky about this and wil privately message you (see rule 2 about personal attention (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2195817&viewfull=1#post2195817)) Dont fall for it. Dont fall for it on twitter, facebook, Yahoo! answers, or even here. If a poster on SW tells you to PM them for more info about signing up for bigbox websites, unless theyre reputable... don't do it. Even if they are reputable or wellknown posters - still have your bullshit detector on.
So dont fall for it.
^I edited that a bit.
So, my thing about calling out specific people for recruiting members here into their studios is this:
If we have the names of studios that ppl are allegedly preying on new members of Stripperweb with - let me know what they are? Ill cross-reference it to see if I can find any evidence it exists and I'll list them with the other studios. In the face of google that is way more useful than a SW screen name?
Just listing a screen name and an accusation just starts a witch hunt that'll launch a lot of bickering that'd drag down the info in this thread. Without public irrefutable evidence it is hard for people to cross-reference that what is being said is even valid?
Also, there is a precedent: there are 3 studios listed in the long laundry of studios to avoid who are operated by (current/former) members here... but I dont name them directly bc I dont see the purpose? Their studios have public ads, so I found them, listed them, and that's it? The SW screen name attached is irrelevant bc the guidelines here should be applied no matter who is talking to you.
Just some background: a few people have told me about members doing this but no one has solid evidence? By evidence I mean screenshots and studio's advertisements or anything more than just rumors. The standards have to be indisputable or people wont trust this thread? Best if you see or suspect people preying on new members but you dont have evidence just openly question their motives?
Similarly, a number of people here have studios and that is their pregorative - it is an available affiliate option and more than a few people here use it. I get why having a studio account is very attractive, I do? Even people I like here have them (note: but if they have ads Ill list them without bias)... but really all we can do here is repeatedly warn people against signing up for them? All we can do is urge models to empower themselves.
Sorry but this something Ive been asked repeatedly to do and I really strongly believe that without solid evidence (ie, an advertisement of the studio can be cross-referenced), itd just be a huge distraction and more trouble than it is worth? Also this thread will probably still be here in a a few years and those people we "name and shame" may stop posting in idk 2013 so naming them isnt really helpful in the longrun to a 2014 SW newbie if their studio ads are still live? or if the person just signs up under a new name?
Does that make sense?
StudioGirl
08-15-2012, 05:58 PM
For the record I would like to say that I am very happy with my studio.
I would have never been able to figure out how to be where I am at today without the help and guidance from them. Reading this forum would not have helped me becuase I was (still kinda am) horrible with computers.
I have read this entire posting and while I know there are probably some horrible studios out there, I have never had a problem with them and I don;t mind giving up 28% of what i would normally make to get great benefits like rapid support and free direct deposit and tips on how to promote myself on social media sites.
Not all studios are bad and I suspect many of the ladies here hate studios for the simple fact that they bring on a ton of competition. I have accepted that and now I'm going to hop on cam and make my $200 goal for the night. }:D
CourtneyRaine
08-15-2012, 06:00 PM
^ You give up 28% of your earnings? And you're happy with that? Lol, I can't take this post seriously.
StudioGirl
08-15-2012, 06:10 PM
I have been lurking on this forum for a while and I think that no matter what I say, everybody here will continue to hate ALL studios except the one from Princess Jenny. Kudos to her but I doubt she would respond to literally 100s of text messages and emails each month like my studio rep did when I first started in 2011. Roast should post more tips about how to make money and actually get a credible source and call out each bad studio individually. Its unfortuante that all the bad studios give the good ones a bad reputation. I heart my middlemen! :-*
roast
08-15-2012, 06:10 PM
Good for you StudioGirl - you're not the target audience of this thread, this is more for people who arent aware of what studios are and/or if they are looking to leave their studio.
You may have missed it but there is a very long list of specific studios by name in this thread already. Also what you may have missed is a few performers do run their own studios and not everyone holds a uniform opinion. The purpose of this thread is specifically instructional around studio accounts and their deceptive practices to recruit performers so people are informed.
Other threads here and other sites debate the merits of studios - Id urge you to check them out because you are new the forum and I'd suspect you found this thread and registered intentionally to respond to it. I appreciate diversity of opinion but in the face of the number of people who have benefited from this info, I'm not really invested in debating its credibility or usefulness.
If you love yours and are informed, that's great and best of luck to you. We'l have to agree to disagree.
PrincessJenny
08-16-2012, 01:52 AM
but I doubt she would respond to literally 100s of text messages and emails each month like my studio rep did when I first started in 2011
If only you could see my inboxes :P
The good studios will make a name for themselves. I regularly post "avoid studios" without singling DP or KDB out as 99% of studios are bad and any risk of someone joining a bad studio is too much of a risk.
28% is far too much, you could hire your own personal IT person to visit you for that.
The advice they give you can be found for free, maybe not on these forums but other forums.
I also cannot take your post seriously as 28% is a major rip off.
At 28% the direct deposits would need to be free :D
drearea
08-16-2012, 08:58 AM
... Princess Jenny. Kudos to her but I doubt she would respond to literally 100s of text messages and emails each month like my studio rep did when I first started in 2011.
For the record, Princess Jenny has done SO MUCH MORE for me than ANY studio would even consider doing for a singular model. She responds to sometimes MULTIPLE tickets a day from me ALONE and within hours.
And that's 5% with DAILY pay.
And I've said a hundred times I'd pay 10%++++ for the service that Princess Jenny provides because she is SO helpful and her service is such a great service.
comstar
08-16-2012, 10:53 AM
Our studio takes 50% but pays all our taxes and gives us private health insurance and pension. Without them the government would take 65% for all this and we would get government health insurance and pension and this is basically a joke. They are in the process of relocating to impounded luxury villas from criminals that the studio will rent from the government legally plus they provide literally everything. Everybody is very nice to us we even have 2 studio pugs you will see them in various rooms on SM from time to time :D
roast
08-16-2012, 10:58 AM
Just a reminder: this thread is about virtual online studios, not physical studios.
StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 03:01 PM
Just a reminder: this thread is about virtual online studios, not physical studios.
My studio is considered a virtual studio I think. i work from home. It is also on your list of studios in this posting. I told my rep about this posting in an email and she said that I get way more traffic due to being on page 1 each time I work than if I was not in a studio. She has always been honest with me. What do you have to say about that Roast? Is it possible that a virtual studio that takes 10% of the possible 35% might actually be a better deal than being on page 2 or 3 and having to pay $160 each month for direct deposit?
PrincessJenny
08-16-2012, 03:10 PM
Email support on
[email protected] and ask if her claims are true, they arent. Others appear on the front page without a studio.
Also its $40 per wire transfer, direct deposit is only $3 on SM using the Payoneer option.
10% is wild, even if it was true you can create your own studio for free and use the $3 option. You are being ripped off and theres no 2 ways about it.
StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 03:21 PM
Email support on
[email protected] and ask if her claims are true, they arent. Others appear on the front page without a studio.
Also its $40 per wire transfer, direct deposit is only $3 on SM using the Payoneer option.
10% is wild, even if it was true you can create your own studio for free and use the $3 option. You are being ripped off and theres no 2 ways about it.
Well, I dunno. I guess I feel loyalty to them because I was broke when I answered their advertisement and they showed me how to become successful. I feel they put in a lot of time and energy into me. I now average around $40 per hour and I was making nothing before I found them. I have 2 young children and am a single mommy. I guess I don't feel ripped off because if I never replied to that ad, I wouldn't have a decent savings and a much better living situation than I did the first couple of months I was camming. Maybe I'm more loyal than I am greedy.
CourtneyRaine
08-16-2012, 03:21 PM
When I was camming I signed up with a well known SM studio because I didn't know any better. My placement used to be page 1, now it's page 3 since I've stopped using the encoder. I'd like to think that if this studio was half as good as they claim they are I would have better placement right now, but I don't. It's all lies.
SarahTime
08-16-2012, 03:21 PM
Our studio takes 50% but pays all our taxes and gives us private health insurance and pension. Without them the government would take 65% for all this and we would get government health insurance and pension and this is basically a joke. They are in the process of relocating to impounded luxury villas from criminals that the studio will rent from the government legally plus they provide literally everything. Everybody is very nice to us we even have 2 studio pugs you will see them in various rooms on SM from time to time :D
LMFAO what studio are you in?????
Your studio pays ALL YOUR TAXES (pays? as in, pays? or withholds? are you an employee of the studio and not a contractor of the cam site???) plus provides insurance AND PENSION?! Serious, can you send me the link to your studio I want to check this out.
This cannot possibly be a US studio.
SarahTime
08-16-2012, 03:22 PM
For the record I would like to say that I am very happy with my studio.
I would have never been able to figure out how to be where I am at today without the help and guidance from them. Reading this forum would not have helped me becuase I was (still kinda am) horrible with computers.
I have read this entire posting and while I know there are probably some horrible studios out there, I have never had a problem with them and I don;t mind giving up 28% of what i would normally make to get great benefits like rapid support and free direct deposit and tips on how to promote myself on social media sites.
Not all studios are bad and I suspect many of the ladies here hate studios for the simple fact that they bring on a ton of competition. I have accepted that and now I'm going to hop on cam and make my $200 goal for the night. }:D
Hi :)
What studio are you trying to promote?
Imagine what that $200 would turn into if you added 28% percent back onto it...........
PrincessJenny
08-16-2012, 03:25 PM
Well, I dunno. I guess I feel loyalty to them because I was broke when I answered their advertisement and they showed me how to become successful. I feel they put in a lot of time and energy into me. I now average around $40 per hour and I was making nothing before I found them. I have 2 young children and am a single mommy. I guess I don't feel ripped off because if I never replied to that ad, I wouldn't have a decent savings and a much better living situation than I did the first couple of months I was camming. Maybe I'm more loyal than I am greedy.
Makes sense , your loyalty is admirable but it could be time to move on, think of your childrens future, that 10% could go a long way in helping around the house.
Its not greedy if its your money. They offer you nothing of value anymore.
SarahTime
08-16-2012, 03:25 PM
My studio is considered a virtual studio I think. i work from home. It is also on your list of studios in this posting. I told my rep about this posting in an email and she said that I get way more traffic due to being on page 1 each time I work than if I was not in a studio. She has always been honest with me. What do you have to say about that Roast? Is it possible that a virtual studio that takes 10% of the possible 35% might actually be a better deal than being on page 2 or 3 and having to pay $160 each month for direct deposit?
I'm not Roast but what I have to say to that is that your studio owner is lying to you and full of shit.
Studio girls DO NOT get "page one placement". That's a huge misconception that studios like to spread around.
StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 03:29 PM
I'm not trying to promote any studio. I didn't name drop intentionally so I would not be accused of that. I honest DO NOT CARE that they make 28% off of me. I am GRATEFUL that they helped me go from being broke to having enough money to live a pretty good life. I have learned some nice tips from the ladies on here but its nothing like the personal coaching I received from them while in guest chat.
StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 03:32 PM
Makes sense , your loyalty is admirable but it could be time to move on, think of your childrens future, that 10% could go a long way in helping around the house.
Its not greedy if its your money. They offer you nothing of value anymore.
umm... how do you know what they offer me? My PC freaked out the other night and they helped me remove a virus. It took over an hour. That is not something SM's support would do is it?
SarahTime
08-16-2012, 03:33 PM
I'm not trying to promote any studio. I didn't name drop intentionally so I would not be accused of that. I honest DO NOT CARE that they make 28% off of me. I am GRATEFUL that they helped me go from being broke to having enough money to live a pretty good life. I have learned some nice tips from the ladies on here but its nothing like the personal coaching I received from them while in guest chat.
What do you mean by 28% off of you? If you are on SM there is only 35% to work with anyway..... so.... how does this break down for you?
PrincessJenny
08-16-2012, 03:35 PM
umm... how do you know what they offer me? My PC freaked out the other night and they helped me remove a virus. It took over an hour. That is not something SM's support would do is it?
Nothing of value as mentioned, theres alot more people out there that would help for free than charge you hundreds of $ per week.
PrincessJenny
08-16-2012, 03:37 PM
What do you mean by 28% off of you? If you are on SM there is only 35% to work with anyway..... so.... how does this break down for you?
It'll be the 10% gross profit / 28% profit (closer to 29.94% I believe though).
SarahTime
08-16-2012, 03:37 PM
umm... how do you know what they offer me? My PC freaked out the other night and they helped me remove a virus. It took over an hour. That is not something SM's support would do is it?
It's something your PC's antivirus software would do for you...... for free.
Or a google search of how to remove a particular virus..... for free.
aberrant
08-16-2012, 03:38 PM
I'm assuming she means 28% of what she makes, not of the percent she gets from streamate. So 35%*.72 = 25.2 which would be her cut from streamate. That's a huge chunk of your income for a little tech support :-/
StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 03:38 PM
I wish all of you ladies the best and I don't want to argue. I felt I needed to say something because a person like me who frankly sucks at computers would have been beyond lost trying to work as an indy model and having to run to this forum every 5 minutes and become annoying. My studio and their staff has been a blessing to me. Princess Jenny has a better deal it seems but oh well, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 03:41 PM
my norton didn't fix it and i didnt even know I had a virus rootkit or whatever it was
SarahTime
08-16-2012, 03:45 PM
I wish all of you ladies the best and I don't want to argue. I felt I needed to say something because a person like me who frankly sucks at computers would have been beyond lost trying to work as an indy model and having to run to this forum every 5 minutes and become annoying. My studio and their staff has been a blessing to me. Princess Jenny has a better deal it seems but oh well, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
I think what I find sad in this situation is although you are making money and in a better position you were in before you started camming.... you were lied to (and are still being lied to) and taken advantage of (studios LOVE to promise girls who are completely broke that they are the answer to all their problems and how they will be so much better off in a studio) in order to get you there. As far as lying, I am referring to you saying that you get first page placement and therefore better traffic because you are in a studio. This is just simply not true.
There are some studios that can be a great asset to some girls.... provided that they are honest and upfront from the beginning. Which your studio was not/is not.
Either way, best of luck to you also.
StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 03:47 PM
I will say that if I was a computer whiz and I had experience with camming I would be pisssssed if I joined a studio by accident!
StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 03:50 PM
I don't feel that way at all. I am happy they make a living helping others make a living. God bless. :)
annabellz
08-16-2012, 05:07 PM
Studio girl-
While I think its great that a virtual studio was able to provide you with a way to get out a bad place- you may want to consider stepping away from them.
the great benefits you described in your first post really arent that great if you examine them closely-
-rapid support: if you have an issue, you report it to the studio manager, who in turn reports it to the site. Its handled no faster then any other issue reported by any other model.
-free direct deposit: technically no, when the studio is taking 28% of your earnings- youre (indirectly)paying for direct deposit.
-tips on how to promote myself on social media sites: LOL oh my. 28% and youre doing self promotion? You found your way to SW, theres plenty of tips on self promotion here for free. Do you really believe those tips should equal 28% of your pay?
Please if you have any other reasons why your studio should be entitled to such a huge share of your pay do share them.
Not being computer savvy isnt a good reason to join a studio. Ive never seen a member here harassed or belittled for asking for tech support or computer advice no matter how small the problem. In fact most models hear are eager to help and see fellow model succeed.