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StudioGirl
08-16-2012, 09:03 PM
Studio girl-
While I think its great that a virtual studio was able to provide you with a way to get out a bad place- you may want to consider stepping away from them.
the great benefits you described in your first post really arent that great if you examine them closely-
-rapid support: if you have an issue, you report it to the studio manager, who in turn reports it to the site. Its handled no faster then any other issue reported by any other model.
-free direct deposit: technically no, when the studio is taking 28% of your earnings- youre (indirectly)paying for direct deposit.
-tips on how to promote myself on social media sites: LOL oh my. 28% and youre doing self promotion? You found your way to SW, theres plenty of tips on self promotion here for free. Do you really believe those tips should equal 28% of your pay?
Please if you have any other reasons why your studio should be entitled to such a huge share of your pay do share them.
Not being computer savvy isnt a good reason to join a studio. Ive never seen a member here harassed or belittled for asking for tech support or computer advice no matter how small the problem. In fact most models hear are eager to help and see fellow model succeed.
LOL? I have $73.14 in 20% cammodels earnings so far this week. I never even had a Facebook profile before I started working with my studio. They built me a facebook, twitter and a couple other sites I don't use. They taught me how to make extra signups with them.
I get support directly from my rep and if there is something that needs to get done on SMs end it gets handled in minutes, not days, like the girls here complain about.
You need to stop hating on all studios like they are one single evil organization. I feel bad for anybody who got a bad one that stole from them or never provided help but I have zero regrets and yes, I could get MOAR %! if i didn't signup with them but I really like working for a studio. Why should I cut them out just because I make them money. Does a hair stylist open her own shop as soon as she learned all of the tricks of the trade and say fuck you to the person who taught her everything she knows? Greed is just as much on your minds as it is the bad studios it seems. "Your money" isn't really yours unless you are being paid directly by the customer so unless you own your own site, you are always going to be an employee. Let;s hear the peanut gallery tell me I'm wrong, all studios are crap and kiss Princess Jenny's butt. Its pretty predictable around here.
loveshooks
08-16-2012, 09:26 PM
@studiogirl, this thread is designed to illustrate what virtual studios are and the techniques they use to get unwitting cam chicas to sign up to sites through them.
If you'd like to discuss the merits of your studio, feel free to create your own thread. This thread is not the place for that.
Enough with the biting comments as well.
comstar
08-17-2012, 01:44 AM
LMFAO what studio are you in?????
Your studio pays ALL YOUR TAXES (pays? as in, pays? or withholds? are you an employee of the studio and not a contractor of the cam site???) plus provides insurance AND PENSION?! Serious, can you send me the link to your studio I want to check this out.
This cannot possibly be a US studio.
No we are not in the USA.
In my country the employer pays mandatory taxes, mandatory health insurance, mandatory pension funds. It is not like in the USA where everybody is individually responsible for paying tax for themselves. Everything is deducted by the government on the spot there is no delay in paying to the government. We are not allowed to have accounts abroad (by law) nor can we get wires from abroad without having proper paperwork to receive funds and an SM online contract is not accepted as a real contract. It's not like in the USA we are a 3rd world country and money is actually hard to take out of the bank because the state is broke and makes it extremely difficult. 50% is a good deal considering we get western European health insurance and pension and all taxes payed. Would it cost less in the USA? Keep in mind we get really good health and pension insurance its a big German insurance company. Just curious...
The studio does not have a website they do not recruit online at all...they give out an ad in the paper...
SarahTime
08-17-2012, 03:34 PM
No we are not in the USA.
In my country the employer pays mandatory taxes, mandatory health insurance, mandatory pension funds. It is not like in the USA where everybody is individually responsible for paying tax for themselves. Everything is deducted by the government on the spot there is no delay in paying to the government. We are not allowed to have accounts abroad (by law) nor can we get wires from abroad without having proper paperwork to receive funds and an SM online contract is not accepted as a real contract. It's not like in the USA we are a 3rd world country and money is actually hard to take out of the bank because the state is broke and makes it extremely difficult. 50% is a good deal considering we get western European health insurance and pension and all taxes payed. Would it cost less in the USA? Keep in mind we get really good health and pension insurance its a big German insurance company. Just curious...
The studio does not have a website they do not recruit online at all...they give out an ad in the paper...
Damn. That S U C K S.
Love the USA <3
/end thread derail
lolaravioli
08-21-2012, 01:18 PM
HELLLLLOOOO! Hey guys, after reading this entire thread, all the posts I am completely kicking my self in the a**. I am really sad to admit that just recently i signed up for I.M. or internet m0del!ng. I have been thinking about webcamming recently and decided to give it a go.. After a few minutes of research I thought IM would be the best choice for me cuz its newbie friendly. I anxiously sent in the application, got a response the next day, saying I need to send in those ten forms/contracts with all my signatures on them. I sent them in two days ago and haven't heard a response, and now doing a little more research and stumbling upon this GOLDMINE of a thread, i realized i have made the "newbie" mistake. I want to know if it is too late to sign up for streammates. or maybe i can still do the Daily Pay option because i have heard nothing but good things. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get back to me before the IM process goes through. THANKS!!
lola
lolaravioli
08-21-2012, 01:20 PM
HELLLLLOOOO! Hey guys, after reading this entire thread, all the posts I am completely kicking my self in the a**. I am really sad to admit that just recently i signed up for I.M. or internet m0del!ng. I have been thinking about webcamming recently and decided to give it a go.. After a few minutes of research I thought IM would be the best choice for me cuz its newbie friendly. I anxiously sent in the application, got a response the next day, saying I need to send in those ten forms/contracts with all my signatures on them. I sent them in two days ago and haven't heard a response, and now doing a little more research and stumbling upon this GOLDMINE of a thread, i realized i have made the "newbie" mistake. I want to know if it is too late to sign up for streammates. or maybe i can still do the Daily Pay option because i have heard nothing but good things. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get back to me before the IM process goes through. THANKS!!
lola
Lexilulu
08-22-2012, 02:20 PM
Do you know more about leaving a physical studio? I have a feeling that they won't really let me go and I'm moving out f state. PJ said I could deactivate the account myself but it's not a virtual studio, it's a physical studio where they signed me up under their business name. I just want out so I can use daily pay and not have to lose 15% of my earnings. So confused :(
roast
08-22-2012, 02:28 PM
HELLLLLOOOO! Hey guys, after reading this entire thread, all the posts I am completely kicking my self in the a**. I am really sad to admit that just recently i signed up for I.M. or internet m0del!ng. I have been thinking about webcamming recently and decided to give it a go.. After a few minutes of research I thought IM would be the best choice for me cuz its newbie friendly. I anxiously sent in the application, got a response the next day, saying I need to send in those ten forms/contracts with all my signatures on them. I sent them in two days ago and haven't heard a response, and now doing a little more research and stumbling upon this GOLDMINE of a thread, i realized i have made the "newbie" mistake. I want to know if it is too late to sign up for streammates. or maybe i can still do the Daily Pay option because i have heard nothing but good things. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get back to me before the IM process goes through. THANKS!!
lola
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Suggestions:
1. Dont acknowledge their emails any further. Definitely DO NOT BROADCAST under any links or login info that they give you.
2. Sign up immediately for streamate on your own. Dont use the stage name or email address you used for !nternetmodel!ng. Do it ASAP. If Streamate is taking too long too process your application or the paperwork is rejected, contact Vanessa http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?170324-If-your-documents-were-rejected-on-Streamate (not a studio, just a recruiter) to process your application. You just attach all of your paperwork in an email to her.
3. Sign up and broadcast - even if it is for 10mins and you're not camera ready. Just broadcast something, ideally earn like $1 but Im pretty sure you dont have to earn anything as long as you broadcast on your own.
Let us know how it pans out
roast
08-22-2012, 02:31 PM
Do you know more about leaving a physical studio? I have a feeling that they won't really let me go and I'm moving out f state. PJ said I could deactivate the account myself but it's not a virtual studio, it's a physical studio where they signed me up under their business name. I just want out so I can use daily pay and not have to lose 15% of my earnings. So confused :(
My understanding is most physical studios need to have a virtual studio account to be able to stream multiple models - like the business name they signed you up under was their virtual studio account that they needed for their physical studio?
Have you tried signing up on your own directly for Streamate yet to see if it goes through? That may be a good step 1?
Lexilulu
08-22-2012, 02:52 PM
Well here is what I see on my end: I was referred to them by a friend and I opted to do it because I have a couple roommates. I actually drive down to the studio and have an assigned room with a computer and cam, etc. I get direct deposit every week through the studios business name. They have copies of my documents like my license and etc. I haven't tried signing up for SM on my own yet because I'm worried that it will get back to the studio that someone with the same name is applying..... I'm just fully paranoid that maybe the owner will be a huge jerk and do something irrational.
roast
08-22-2012, 03:09 PM
Well here is what I see on my end: I was referred to them by a friend and I opted to do it because I have a couple roommates. I actually drive down to the studio and have an assigned room with a computer and cam, etc. I get direct deposit every week through the studios business name. They have copies of my documents like my license and etc. I haven't tried signing up for SM on my own yet because I'm worried that it will get back to the studio that someone with the same name is applying..... I'm just fully paranoid that maybe the owner will be a huge jerk and do something irrational.
It sounds like youre under their studio account as well.
Problem is Streamate defers to the studio when girls try to leave so he could be contacted. Ive heard of girls in physical studios who move away from the physical studio still being locked into the studio contract - so this may be your predicament. If you fear he will do something very serious, itd be best not to risk it bc there are so many other cam sites to try out.
If no other girls use your account to stream (some studios do that), your best bet is to find another site and not broadcast on Streamate (ever, or login) for a year and cease contact with them entirely. Theyll assume youre just another shortterm camgirl and by then most studio accounts expire. After a year, sign up on your own with a different stage name and email address. IDK if itd make any difference but you should try to change your assword (if youre allowed to log in on your own) to something extremely complicated that they could never guess and change the email address you login with... just so they cant keep loggng in or possibly have another performer stream from it so it renews your contract with them.
Happily there are many many other camsites out there - this thread is very Streamate focused but there are other fish in the sea.
I wish my response could be more reassuring or proactive - but if you genuinely fear he'll do something irrational... I mean best to err on the side of caution. What is tough about (some) studios is they can and do threaten people to stay with them... and they have your personal info so best to not treat it as an empty threat. We cant guarantee he wouldnt be contacted?
Best to just fade into nonthreatening obscurity, work elsewhere, then sign up on your own in a year?
If you feel like your paranoia may be unjustified - you can try out some of the other options we have listed here?
Lexilulu
08-22-2012, 03:29 PM
Thanks for your advice. I was thinking maybe I would just sign up and see what happens if my information is different. I'll have a new drivers license in about 3 weeks with a completely new address and picture. Maybe of the license shows a different state I can try to bypass my current account and just start over. ;)
annabellz
08-22-2012, 03:44 PM
^^ a new DL would give you a different address but your SS # would be the same, so it might trigger the system as a duplicate acct.. I would think if youre moving out of state that would be a valid reason for the studio owner to release you from your contract, which would allow you to sign up to the site on your own. You might want to also consider searching the forum for info on Princess Jennys Daily Pay service. (You would be paid 30% daily instead of 35% weekly)
ALWAYSWETT123
08-24-2012, 09:49 AM
have u ever heard of teasecamgirls.net
annabellz
08-24-2012, 10:59 AM
They are a studio. Its also quite funny how creative they are in their FAQs
"TeaseCamGirls pays 75% to all Models 1st month. This is very good, when most Models only make 35-50% with most cam sites"
For someone who didnt know any better it would seem a model who signs with them would be making more (75%) then she would on most sites. But its just another example of that tricky double speak that roast warned about in her first post.
Models are paid 35-50% with most cams sites- you are paid 75% of THAT working under teasecamgirls. Sign up on your own and you get the full 100%.
The only thing(s) teasecamgirls is offering in exchange for 25%+ of your profit (because read carefully its only the first month your paid 75% after that your pay goes down) after 6 months they will upgrade your cam, you get "training" - which usually consists of silly newsletters and basic how to videos, they advise you on how YOU can drive your own traffic (again, they take your money and you have to drive your own traffic)
When you sign up for a big box site you are already giving them a big chunk of your profits (50-65%). And you know what? They give you most of these things. They have plenty of traffic. They have model tutorials and guides. You will be able to afford to upgrade your cam on your own. Any other support you may need can be found in forums like this for free or by searching google.
ALWAYSWETT123
08-24-2012, 11:06 AM
oh yes i already signed up with mfc on the site he still owes money and told me he wouuld not pay i was not on cam for 5 days due to my kjd being sick and he asked me i told him well he said it was managements choice when hes ower and then he tells me he has 15 bucks to his name. to me thats BS LOL btw ty
ALWAYSWETT123
08-24-2012, 06:20 PM
so teasecamgirls.net is no good he should never have models with him...hes a top notch scam artist he has like 12 domians linked to his name and more orther that are with his email address he has many of websites not only porn sites but anything to get someone to buy something and doesnt pay
JesseSeth
08-28-2012, 06:35 AM
Hi
First of all, I wanted to give a 'thumbs up' for this very informative thread!
It made me think about becoming a cammodel.
I'm sorry that this is kind of a long post, but I seem to have a lot of questions about it. :) So already thanks for reading!
1) My boyfriend and I were thinking about doing some camming and so I started looking for good sites.
I stumbled upon LiveJasmin and after reading their conditions and payrates, it seemed like a good opportunity.
But upon registrating, I read that the site holds the rights to use your pics or video for promotion on other sites, cd's ...
I was a bit worried because I would not like people from my environment seeing these things. So I asked on the supportchat if these things can be blocked too.
The guy there said: yeah, they should be blocked ...
So, here are some questions:
- what is your opinion on the blocking system? Has anyone had a problem being recognised?
- what do you think about the promotional stuff?
- what do you think about the payrates on LiveJasmin? Is there a lot of traffic?
2) My boyfriend thus went looking for something else and he stumbled upon a guy.
He said he has a studio and he is working for Flirt4Free.
He said he had a couple of hundred models working for him, that he used to work as a model too and that he would like to give new models a good chance earning a lot.
He made the promise that if we didn't want that kind of promotion stuff, he could deal with it. And that we will be blocked in certain countries if we wish.
I also looked at the payrates at Flirt4Free and they're much lower than LiveJasmin.
My boyfriend says he would like to register through this guy because we would then have a person to talk to if we have questions.
But I don't know if he can be much of a help ...
- what do you think about his promise? I don't really buy it, but my boyfriend trusts him. Can he make sure that no pics of videos of us would be spread?
- what do you think of the payrates on Flirt4Free. They seem quite low ...
I hope somebody can answer these questions for me.
That would be a great help!
Thx
roast
08-28-2012, 07:49 AM
For #1 it'd be best to check out Starting Place for Cam Girls (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?150383-Starting-Place-For-Cam-Girls) and search the forums carefully (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169932-How-to-do-a-search-on-Stripperweb). To help you get started, here is a thread about LiveJasmin's payout structure (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?165314-Look-Like-there-is-a-shake-up-coming-!!!-once-again-lol).... it is pretty confusing? May help to bump that thread to ask for more info.
I wanted to address blocking really quick since studios often 'guarantee' blocking while sites say they 'offer' regional blocking. The site is the one who blocks, studios dont, so studios cant guarantee anything. The reason blocking isnt perfect is this:
No site can guarantee 100% reliable geo-blocking. This isnt because the site is fallible or doesnt know what it is doing, it is just how internet broadcasting and affiliate marketing works. For most sites, I'd say they do a great job at being effective at blocking ranges of real IP addresses, which is all that it does. People who view online porn are the general public, the general public are very basic about their computer browsing (for ex, majority of internet surfers use internet explorer only and dont know different OS than Microsoft) so geo-blocking captures 'typical' users. I cant give a percentage but I'd guess idk 75-90%**
However:
a. mobile users (this includes mobile computers like iPads and other tablets) arent blocked by region. a growing percentage of online porn viewers are on mobile devices.
b. a lot of megasite traffic comes from affiliate advertisers and white labels. most geo-restrictions remove you from major ad campaigns, but some site's white labels dont guarantee blocking. affiliates can do whatever they want with your profile pics, so they can make a blog to redirect traffic with your image - you can request they take it down but that doesnt mean your pic wont be live on a part of the internet where geo-restrictions dont exist.
c. if a user is using a proxy that scrambles their IP address they can surpass regional blocking.
d. if your video feed is pirated (freechat included, there are a bunch of camgirl's freechats on youtube) or screenshots are taken and disseminated, regional blocking is irrelevant.
e. if you use social media promotional sites like twitter or mypornprofile, you have no regional blocking protection.
**It also depends on the site: some sites when they block certain regions, your profile doesnt seem to exist if youre in that blocked region (you cant search for it, find it on white labels, go directly to the profile, etc). Some sites you can see the profile but you cant enter the room. Some sites you can see the profile, pictures, and can enter textchat but are barred from entering free/paid chat. Some sites you can still go to a model's profile page and room if the know your stage name and enter via a white label. IDK how it works on LiveJasmin or Flir4Free well enough to tell you how it works but my strong suggestion if youd like to reduce your risk by doing member chat only and not freechat. This will reduce your traffic and payout percentage and isnt a guarantee though. If youre absolutely terrified of the prospect of being recognized by anyone ever ever ever? Dont cam.
I have been recognized before. More than once. More than twice. More than three times. Probably more than that but not everyone wants to tell me. Im not a wellknown model and I use geo-restrictions. How did this happen? Bear in mind that over your lifespan up to now: you probably know hundreds if not thousands of people. The vast majority of them have watched online porn at least once, probably a sizeable number use tube sites at least once every few months (where a lot of camsite ads happen... a handful of tube sites are in the top 75 visited sites in the world), probably a chunk pay for porn. So you can block 'hot' states or even countries but you probably know someone in a few areas of the country and/or world who you forgot about who could recognize you. Again, if youd like to reduce your risk: use geo-restrictions and minimize use of freechat if you can... just know you wont get as much traffic as girls who dont block and are always in freechat. If the idea of being recognized is absolutely life-destroying: dont cam. No site can guarantee 100% effectiveness.
Traffic: According to most traffic search engines, LiveJasmin has the most overall traffic than any other cam site. That doesnt necessarily translate into the most overall paying traffic though (they claim to post the top 5 earners income which biweekly is always 5 digit figures, ymmv) but it has a lot of visitors and advertises aggressively. It is one of the top 100 websites in the world. I can repeat that for you: top 100 in the world so if youre trying to stay under the radar (not guaranteed for any site)....... keep that in mind.
OK, alllll of that said, #1 is definitely answered best in other parts of the forum. Check out some of the links up top and search around!
For #2:
Not to sound like a broken record but: studios cannot block for you. The site blocks you. The studio doesnt run or design the site's software or have any special interactions with the website's developers to specially block you. All the issues with regional blocking are listed above.
If you tell a virtual studio what your concerns are, theyll tell you theyll handle it... because they want you to signup and work for them. He probably has 100s of models who are signed up under him with under 50 who are regularly active. Have you been to Flirt4Free? Right now there are ~150 models live and signed in. How can he have hundreds of models while the site itself has under 150 broadcasting?
I think Flirt4Free's payout is actually higher than LiveJasmin... and their pay-per-minute fees are higher. But some ppl believe a low payout percentage and high traffic is worth it, while others think high payout, low traffic is worth it... it really depends on how YOU guys do because not everyone's results are generalizable. It'd be best to just try LiveJasmin and F4F both out independently - because with a studio... you can't just leave and rejoin the site on your own, it is usually a whole process. If you sign up independently you can close/reopen n account a few times with no issue. Plus, also you guys can ask Flirt4Free all the questions you want. On their FAQs it says:
Q. What if I decide I don't like it - am I allowed to quit?
A. Yes - working online is totally up to you - just let us know if you need a break or find it's not a good fit.
Q. Do I have to try and get customers in my room?
A. No - we provide all the traffic for you - all you need to do is login and start chatting.
Q. Will I have a live person to talk to if I have any questions?
A. Once you get started you'll have your own personal representative handling your account and assisting you through the signup process and broadcasting.
Even F4F says the dont care if you quit (a studio will not say this), that they give you all of the traffic (which they do), and are offering you a person to chat with?
So, I think this studio guy is full of it. Has he told you how much of a percentage he is taking off of your payout for his 'services'? Bc if your boyfriend wants to join up under this guy, please know that your payout will be even lower. There is also a F4F studio who harassed a girl who tried to leave and refused to pay her because she asked to be let go. She had to twist their arm to even get paid, it took weeks beyond the deadline they promised to pay her. Worse they insisted she use remote access software (software where they control your computer and have access to all of your files, keyboard, mouse, etc) to sign her up.
:shrug:
tl;dr version: georestrictions are largely effective but arent a guarantee on any site, best to search the forum for more details about Livejasmin, and this studio is full of more bullshit than a cattle ranch.
annabellz
08-28-2012, 10:16 AM
Everything roast said is 100% spot on. Geo blocking doesn't always work right. She explained why technically- as a model I can tell you it seems to work 90% of the time but you never really know unless someone comes in and blurts out hey Im from blah blah state too and youre like wtf I have that blocked. Youre biggest risk is being found on tube sites posted by pirates (which the site cant help you with) or found out by being posted by the site through affiliate marketing. (which depending on the site there may be ways to try to opt out of it- but its never guaranteed you wont be used as you do sign over your rights to be used)
As for looking for a site with the highest payout, most new models come here and pose that question (a lot). And its the wrong way to look at it. Just because a site pays a high % doesnt mean you'll earn a lot. 35% of 1000 prvts = more in your pocket then 50% of 25 prvts a week.
JesseSeth
08-28-2012, 10:56 AM
Thank you very much for this info!
I'll talk with my boyfriend and see what we'll do ...
JesseSeth
08-28-2012, 12:29 PM
I have some more questions:
1) Is it possible that a Studio has a deal with a camsite so his models can earn more? If he/she brings in a lot of models?
2) Can a Studio promote you as a model and bring more customers?
PrincessJenny
08-28-2012, 01:47 PM
I have some more questions:
1) Is it possible that a Studio has a deal with a camsite so his models can earn more? If he/she brings in a lot of models?
2) Can a Studio promote you as a model and bring more customers?
1. 99% times no unless the site is a small startup site, definitely never on any major site like Streamate, Adultwork or Myfreecams.
2. They can but they rarely do it, this is a sales pitch they give you, I have yet to any any studio keep their promises of promotion. Anything they can do (or promise to do) you can do for free.
annabellz
08-28-2012, 03:09 PM
I have some more questions:
1) Is it possible that a Studio has a deal with a camsite so his models can earn more? If he/she brings in a lot of models?
2) Can a Studio promote you as a model and bring more customers?
Oh my Jessse. Youve read this entire thread and still have doubts/questions about whether or not to sign up with a studio... Hmmm. try this thread- http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?176768-Reasons-why-you-should-NOT-work-for-a-virtual-studio
In it Roast linked many other threads detailing others experiences with studios...
As a studio model you will earn less then you would signed up to the site directly on your own. Princess Jenny already explained on 99.% of sites studios models are not paid more then independent models. But for argument sake on the 1% unheard of site where they are whatever increase in earnings you are paid would just be offset by the fact that the studio is taking a chunk of your earnings. So lets say the site pays independent models 35% and studio models get 40%. Sounds good. But as a studio model youre not really getting 40% youre getting 60-70% of the 40% or whatever your contract with the studio says.
As for promotion- most studios promise promotion but few actually deliver. If you are a studio model you can be sure that 95%+ of the traffic in your cam room will be traffic from the site.
What exactly is this studio rep saying to you that is so tempting to have you considering his offer so hard?
lolitastjames
08-29-2012, 06:00 AM
First of all, thanks for posting! I hope this thread saves some ladies the trouble I have had to go through with these leeches. I have been working thru a studio for years, and this all sounds TOO FAMILIAR!
There have been periods of time where I was really happy with my deal, when I am being paid what I was promised. But every few months he seems to want to see how far he can go when it comes to withholding my pay. Tis the season, I suppose. I'm owed hundreds of dollars and I'm the one waking up at 5am to nasty, threatening text messages...this is all really cramping my style!
Basically my question is this. How do I LEAVE a studio? I have read some stuff online about how I'd have to archive my username and wait 3 months before I can work again....obviously this is a problem, as cam is my only job. Any ladies here have experience with this? Im on Streamate.
thanks
annabellz
08-29-2012, 06:29 AM
If you want to work on SM again with out waiting a lot of girls here switch over to Princess Jennys Daily Pay Studio (Its not just a cute name, she actually pays every day) for SM instead of making 35% youd be paid 30% (which is probably more then youre getting from your studio now and youd be paid every day).
If you are interested you should contact her on here. She actually posted on this thread about 2 posts up ^^. Just click her name and send her a PM explaining your situation.
To leave a studio is not really a matter of 'archiving' your user name. Its getting the studio to close your account. Thats when the clock starts ticking. Sometimes they say they closed you and they didnt. Or they'll close it and if you try to make a new account before the time is up- and the timer can reset. Youre not going to get a straight answer from them saying you are clear to open your new account on blah blah date good luck- So it can be very frustrating.
So you can try PJ or wait it out or find another one of the many cam sites to work on- there are other sites besides SM.
roast
09-01-2012, 12:15 PM
In commemoration of this thread's 1year anniversary (woo) wanted to throw in more.... stuff:
For people who are swayed by studio promises but still arent sure, Id suggest you do the following:
a. plug their studio name into a few search engines for reviews
b. search their email address (the name and the full address) for any info on them
You can do more than that if youre thorough (whois info search, search details on whois data, etc), look carefully through what you find. You'll eventually be paying these people, so do a thorough check: any red flags?
Any positive reviews? Are the positive reviews current? Are the positive reviews by regular forum posters (check their post count) or do they look like spam? Contact the people who have written them if you only see 1-2 for updates.
If not, ask them some (or all) of these questions:
1. If it isnt super obvious ask: what is your stage name? when they are live if they claim to be current]
2. How much of a percentage do you take off of [the independent earnings percentage for the site]?
3. You offer promotions, how do you do this?
3(followup) can I see your social media presence? [website, twitter, blogs, etc if you cant find them... note: if they have NO social media presence or a totally unimpressive one, ask yourself if their promotional services are worth it]
4. After I am all set working on the site and dont need your support, can I leave and sign up independently?
5. How do you store my identification info that I send you?
6. How many other models do you have working for you?
6(followup). Can I have a few of their stage names and email addresses to ask them some questions? [dont contact them on the site as the studio may control the private msging system, just have a stage name so you verify they exist and are current]
7. Why did you start this studio?
8. What customer service services do you offer that is beyond the scope of the customer service that the site itself provides
9. If they claim their models regularly net 10K a week... ask for a screenshot of some of their model's earnings. If it is true, they should be able to quickly screenprint and send you their claims. Feel free to add in that they can blur out model names and any compromising info. Be sure it is plural, because if they say 'regularly' and 'models' they should have evidence of more than a single instance.
If their service is legitimate, those questions shouldnt freak them out. You dont have to ask all of them, but definitely ask at least 4 of them.
roast
09-01-2012, 12:28 PM
I wanted to post a Part II followup (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-(aka-avoid-studios)&p=2290267&viewfull=1#post2290267) to the megalist of studios to avoid, with a post from KinkyDirtyBitch (http://www.kinkydirtybitch.me/)on getting out of Adultwork Groups:
Getting Out of Dodgy Adultwork Groups (http://kinkydirtybitch.me/2012/07/22/getting-out-of-a-dodgy-adultwork-group/)
Links to direct applications for: Streamate (http://www.streamatemodels.com/), MyFreeCams (http://www.myfreecams.com/mfc2/php/prospective_accounts.php), ImLive (http://imlive.com/becomehost.aspx), Cams.com (http://cams.com/go/page/models_cover.html), Webcams.com (http://www.webcams.com/index.php?action=NewModel), Flirt4Free (www.webcam4money.com), iFriends (http://www.ifriends.net/userURL_/model-signup/), and AdultWork (http://www.adultwork.com/Login.asp)
Some studios are rebranding themselves, so Im including their aliases as well, putting a placeholder here so I come back to it - updates are welcome!
Part II
EliteWebcamAgency.com, Elitewebcamagency
Cam Studio A™ (
[email protected])
EyeCandyModels, Eye Candy WebModeling, Cloud9, Eyecandywebmodels.com (Flirt4Free)
Fantasse.tv or BareIt Media, LLC (Streamate)
Getpaid2model.com
Jaden Korr Studios (Flirt4Free)
Love Money Studios, Stray Dogg Entertainment,Straydoggentertainment.com, StraysAngels.com (Streamate)
Pristine Treasures, P.T. Entertainment, secure.jotform.us/pristinechase/Cammod
RecessionGirlz.info (Flirt4Free) - new recruitment method: training webinars (https://www3.gotomeeting.com/register/550945646)
SexyCamEntertainers.com, SexCam Entertainment (Flirt4Free)
[email protected] (no more info, spams every major backpage.com city with just their email)
UltimateXtacy Productions LLC,
[email protected] (Flirt4Free)
Your Evil Twin
09-10-2012, 03:36 AM
One thing that I see a lot of studios say is "you cannot hide your face on webcam", uh, yes you can if you sign up on your own. It is a studio rule, it is rarely a mega-website rule (please note that a face pic is required on Cams.com). If you sign up for sites directly you can zoom the cam on your pinky toe if you want.
Can someone please explain this to me?
Does it mean you can't hide your face on application photos or do some people hide their face when they cam?
Hexxen
09-15-2012, 04:14 PM
I'm stupid and signed up using Streamate through a studio. I'm only making 20%. What sucks is this is my only source of income right now and it's my full time job. I emailed Vanessa and Princess Jenny but it's looking like it could take a year or more to be able to sign up again. I have regular customers I'm really attached to and a five star account. I'm so bummed out right now.
annabellz
09-15-2012, 06:59 PM
^Vanessa cant get you out of a studio but PJ might be able to switch you over to her daily pay service...
Try not to be too discouraged. So you made a mistake and signed up with a studio, its not the end of the world. SM is a good site but its not the only cam site in existence. Similar sites would be IMlive, webcams.com, naked.com, adultwork (which you need a passport if youre american) cams.com, LJ, ifriends. Or you could try tip based sits like MFC or chaturbate or the newest site camflare.
annabellz
09-15-2012, 07:11 PM
Can someone please explain this to me?
Does it mean you can't hide your face on application photos or do some people hide their face when they cam?
Umm lets see. When youre talking about an application photo that would refer to the photo you use to apply, such as the one on your ID. You cant obscure that image, they have to be able to compare it to the person whos appearing on cam to be sure its the same person.
Then theres your profile pictures. Those are the pictures displayed on your profile and on the main page of the site where members browse and select models. On pretty much all mega sites its up to the model what they want that picture to be (their face, their chest, their feet, their ass,- except on Cams.com they require it to be your face)
And yes some models hide their face when they cam. Some wear masks while others just position the cam so that their face is never in view, not in free chat and not in prvt. Its less profitable but still can be done.
Some studios require their models to not only show their face the entire time they are on cam but to also upload face pic photos to their profiles telling them its a site requirement. Roast was pointing out that that is another lie studios tell, as it is NOT a site requirement.
carolinajames83
09-17-2012, 04:35 PM
I'm stupid and signed up using Streamate through a studio. I'm only making 20%. What sucks is this is my only source of income right now and it's my full time job. I emailed Vanessa and Princess Jenny but it's looking like it could take a year or more to be able to sign up again. I have regular customers I'm really attached to and a five star account. I'm so bummed out right now.
If you have a twitter, you can always let customers know where to find you. I'm a Flirt4Free, and I know you don't have to work with a studio unless you signup with one too.
teslarae
09-26-2012, 10:54 PM
does anyone know anything about elite cam models? i am new to camming and i dont want to sign up with scam sites
loveshooks
09-26-2012, 11:30 PM
^^that's a white label for streamate
most chicas here work streamate, it's not a scam site.
If you want to work that site, go to and scroll down to the 'become a model' link on the bottom left corner of the home page
definition of a white label:
teslarae
09-27-2012, 12:06 AM
what is a white label
roast
09-27-2012, 02:28 AM
also:
2. Lack of straight answers - rule 6 (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-%28aka-avoid-studios%29&p=2195817&viewfull=1#post2195817): They list the "websites" in their "huge" network here (http://www..com/cam/webcam_network.htm). All of those websites are Streamate.com. All of them. They are white labels for streamate. Notice how they all look alike and have the same models as Streamate.com just with different colors?
A white label is basically an industry term for 'rebranding a website to make it appear different to consumers without changing the site's actual content'.
It is the online equivalent of dumping out a package of M&Ms (or Smarties) and then putting the same product in a package called "Yum Yums". Even though it is called something else, Yum Yums are still M&Ms right? Right. Using this analogy, Yum Yums are just a white label for M&Ms. That "huge network"? Just white labels (Yum Yums) for Streamate (M&Ms). So again, Internet Modeling.com just works with Streamate.com, their network are just white labels of the exact same site... that you will still automatically appear on when you sign up for streamate directly.
roast
09-27-2012, 02:45 AM
I'm stupid and signed up using Streamate through a studio. I'm only making 20%. What sucks is this is my only source of income right now and it's my full time job. I emailed Vanessa and Princess Jenny but it's looking like it could take a year or more to be able to sign up again. I have regular customers I'm really attached to and a five star account. I'm so bummed out right now.
Not stupid, you just didnt know.
Vanessa is an independent model rep for SM and cant help ppl get out studios. Im not sure if people are contacting her for that but there isnt much she can do.
Did DP not work out? Is there a reason why? Ive heard this from a few others as well and am trying to ensure the options we give people (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-(aka-avoid-studios)&p=2358565&viewfull=1#post2358565) are both viable and up to date. What Ive suspected is that ther are certain studios that have way more bargaining leverage than DP and is putting a stop to model's prematurely exiting their contract terms ... but Id like to ensure that the list of options here (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-(aka-avoid-studios)&p=2358565&viewfull=1#post2358565) are updated and detailed, your ffeedback will be useful.
There is also (not tested and not verified) getting your account banned with Streamate, and signing up with a new one (new stage name, new email addy). It is risky because the person who offered to be our guinea pig is still getting settled and hasnt confirmed it has worked. Im sorry, I wish there were more 100% verifiable options except prevention and wait for a year. But I support you exhausting all of your options.
PrincessJenny
09-29-2012, 01:08 AM
The above application is still going through, slight hiccup with a disallowed username.
Virtual studio to DP is largely successful with probably a 98% success rate. Most failed app's usually come down to the member emailing Vanessa/Liz/the studio or one of the SM staff matching a username from a thread here up with a new application for DP.
Physical studios are much harder to get out of, I think I have been able to get 1 or 2 people of out them but for the majority of the time its next to impossible. It may be due to the physical studios having a smaller amount of performers and they are able to keep a better eye on things.
The "get banned" is untested still. Works on AW though.
Kyuuipo
09-29-2012, 01:54 AM
1. 99% times no unless the site is a small startup site, definitely never on any major site like Streamate, Adultwork or Myfreecams.
2. They can but they rarely do it, this is a sales pitch they give you, I have yet to any any studio keep their promises of promotion. Anything they can do (or promise to do) you can do for free.
I agree PrincessJenny I wish I had known this when I first started camming! Im glad I left my studio, they are just pimps taking a percentage off of what you make for nothing. For anyone who's just getting into the webcam game please, please, please dont sign a contract with any studio before fully understanding what you are signing! I know some girls who sign a contract for a year and find out within a few months that's not what they are looking for and there they are stuck! The sites themselves are going to side with the studio over you if you choose go in make your own personal account (in some cases). Depending on how much of money maker you really are and what they think they have to gain.
Just my little side note. : )
Hexxen
09-30-2012, 11:39 PM
My new Streamate account was approved last night. Thank you so much Princess Jenny and Daily Pay. Now my only issue seems to be getting my last check from my old studio which they swear they sent out last week (which still seems late) but I haven't gotten it yet. Anyway, once I figure out the best payment system on DP I'll be up and camming again on both SM and MFC. It's been a rough month of being really broke without SM.
ariel1
10-01-2012, 06:04 PM
Okay im going to keep it very real in this post and tell you all what all these webcam sites are really about. Seeme.com is full of crap... But when an really hot attractive girl that looks better than all of them put together trys to get a show nobody looks or takes her for a show. It is bull****. Oh and streamates and i-camz and model x online which is really the same company is a very bad site they sell you the idea that you are going to make alot of money and you can set your own pay but really it dosen't matter what you charge your customers even if you charge $1.99-$6.99 or whatever u want to be paid you still only get 1.00 a min for premium and 1.25 for exclusive while they take the rest. What a rippoff. Models you have to stand up for yourselfs and have some dignity and pride in your work and boycott this industry they are ripping you off and paying you chump change while they make all the profit and it's not fair because we work hard and that kind of work gets very exhausting and we are exposing ourselfs on all these webcam internet sites and i think we deserve more than that. If we all came together and boycott all these money taking scam thieves for a month or so they will have no choice but to pay us more. And they know this and you guys know who you are and are right now are pissed off as they keep reading my post because alot of people will be reading this and getting some real enlightment of this industry instead of selling them the idea of the industry. We are sick and fed up with you studios and money taking thieves.Without us webcam models they are nothing and alot of you webcam models have to realize this and if you don't i don't know what planet you came from or if your brain is even up there because you can't seem to understand how important this is. Oh and the website ImLive.com what the hell you guys want new models to do free shows their first day working? The first 100 mins or something like that. Are you guys smoking crack behind your computers i bet all of u are all high on some good stuff or something? We are working for ourselfs not for you and sure you can take a cut but come on not all of it and leave us with little to nothing while you take more. It would be a good thing if all webcam sites went 50% on all earnings then maybe you guys woulden't have complains and bad reviews for your sites posted all over this web and the internet:-X
annabellz
10-01-2012, 09:13 PM
Oh and streamates and i-camz and model x online which is really the same company is a very bad site they sell you the idea that you are going to make alot of money and you can set your own pay but really it dosen't matter what you charge your customers even if you charge $1.99-$6.99 or whatever u want to be paid you still only get 1.00 a min for premium and 1.25 for exclusive while they take the rest. What a rippoff.
Streamate-icamz-model x online are NOT the same company. Streamate is a cam site; icamz and model x are studios that can broadcast you on Streamate (among other sites). It is possible for you to sign a studio contract agreeing to be paid a flat rate of 1..00 a min for premium and 1.25 for exclusive regardless of what the customer is being charged. Yet another reason NOT to work for a studio.
roast
10-14-2012, 12:32 PM
Virtual studio to DP is largely successful with probably a 98% success rate. Most failed app's usually come down to the member emailing Vanessa/Liz/the studio or one of the SM staff matching a username from a thread here up with a new application for DP.
Physical studios are much harder to get out of, I think I have been able to get 1 or 2 people of out them but for the majority of the time its next to impossible. It may be due to the physical studios having a smaller amount of performers and they are able to keep a better eye on things.
OK the factors that impact DP as a successful step out of a person's transition froma SM virtual studio to indie via DP are:
1. alerting SM staff directly or indirectly
2. physical studios and/or small studios
Those are pretty hefty roadblocks. So if Im reading this right - SM's CS's inattention to SM's detail is basically... what we're relying on here. If that is the case, well - Ive advised a few ppl ages ago to just try signing up on their own with a new email address and stage name & not to alert the powers that be and hope for the best... a success rate of maybe 50% from the (very) small sample used. That relied on the same premise of inattention, so Ill keep that advice live but revise it.
SW's visibility & how carefully studios and site owners read is a blessing and a curse.
So, really the only 100% proven methods are:
a. prevention
b. hoping you inadvertently signed up under a SM studio known to easily release you or doesnt have strict time limits (...asides from DP, drawing a blank)
c. not using your account for 6mo-1yr so the contract expires.
"c" sucks for ppl who use SM as a primary site, "b" is incredibly rare....so,"a" is our best bet.
Everything else, well given the ongoing results and lessons learned, is a (high to low risk) gamble.
Ive also heard multiple reports that people signed up under ModelXOnline and Internetm0deling (MXO definitely reads SW, a few agents of IM definitely do) -it being next to impossible to transition out. So I think not only if SM staff catch wind but if specific studios catch wind.... unfortunately new posters here (esp ones who find SW from googling for warnings about their studio name) cant post in verified asap until they meet the requirements & new posters may not know (100% rightfully, not saying they should) and may not know discretion is their best bet.... esp if their first few posts are in a panic.
Well.
Blessing and a curse.
roast
10-14-2012, 12:39 PM
If anyone has info on getting out of ImLive studios (esp if youre in the EE and if you need to have one to even broadcast) - please post. Ive been asked twice and have zero official clue. I just went by studio discussions on an adultwebmaster forums & it looks like ImLive could give a hoot about honoring studio contracts & this pisses studios off ... so you may be able to just... sign up independently if you so choose (like just apply directly).
Sorry, wish I knew for sure.
roast
10-26-2012, 09:46 AM
^Am I reading this right that SM gave you a specific studio to sign up through? And it was camreggy.com?
I honestly dont know why the hell girls not in North America, Western Europe (some countries in Eastern but not many), Australia, and New Zealand are forced to sign up via virtual studios on streamate. There are also a few instances of girls ho have residence in the 'global north' but are nationals of elsewhere who end up by default earning 30% ... just because.
It is stupid and fucked up, I agree wholesale. At this time I wish I had more to offer than sympathetic frustration at the privilege divide. Since starting this thread Ive learned way more about studio bullshit (and adult webmaster complicity) than I originally either was seeking out or was open to, so I hope to have more to say or say there is more done as time goes on.
Can you please confirm SM told you a specific studio to sign up for and that it was camreggy? If you have a screenshot also, Id appreciate it via PM.
annabellz
10-26-2012, 10:53 AM
What form of ID did you use to sign up with at SM on the first account? Was it your passport from whatever EE country you were born in? (If so then I can see them assuming you are an EE applicant just broadcasting from the UK and referring you to an EE studio)
What I would do is totally scrap that application. Get a new email address and sign up name. Submit a new application and use a form of ID that would show you as a "UK resident" like a DL maybe ? I mean youve lived there for 10 years, surely you have some kind of UK gov picture ID with your name and birthday on it that you can submit.
(but as mentioned before in other situations, do not email support, liz, etc and alert them that this is you and the new account youre trying to create is linked to the old one they flagged to send over to the EE studio)
drearea
10-28-2012, 11:32 AM
What is the e-mail address that this came from? Streamate would not tell you that you will get better placement from a studio.
Hello,
We can give you a chance performing at streamate.com but you need to
work exclusively for the streamate.com.
Please visit camreggy.com and start the registration. We already
informed our partners from camreggy to approve your registration. This
website is intermediate between streamate and individuals.
Thank you
My reply to someone called Nickolay Orlovsky (hope you can see the irony in the whole non reliable Eastern Europeans):
So are you offering me to register via a studio? I want to work directly on streamate, not via a partner of some sort. Is it a discrimination against me being Eastern European? You already pay 35%, why would I want to work through your partner and share quite a small profit with someone else?
Nickolay Orlovsky to me:
Hello,
We having exclusive agreement with this company for all Baltic states
and a lot of other regions. This company managing 600+ studio models
and a lot of individuals. If you are looking to perform at
streamate.com thete is no other chance to register. We receiving
thousands of chathosts applications per week and approving only 100 of
them. If you submit your application with camreggy.com you will be
100% approved.
Also you need to know that camreggy.com 92%-95% can be more than 100%
directly just because of better website placements, better rating and
etc.
roast
10-28-2012, 11:46 AM
^Questions:
1. What site did you use when you first signed up for Streamate?
2. What is the email address of this correspondence?
3. Did you give your mailing address in the UK or in your birth country when you applied?
4. Did you use an ID from your birth country or one from the UK?
5. Did you sign up on Camreggy.com yet?
6. Have you ever worked for Streamate.com (or any site that looked very similar to it) before? Or ever applied to work for an unknown cam site? Thing hard about this one.
If youre comfortable, a screenshot may be more useful bc Streamate site reps/employees read SW regularly and a screenshot is more thorough and reliable (shows date, time, address, etc if you look at the email header also IP address) than copypasta... bc I dont see the part about asking you if you were in a studio before and other things you referenced. If Streamate.com is officially telling you this and we're able to verify that then it is important information.
If it isnt obvious:
-Camregggy.com was only created a year ago + models in EE work a battery of different real and virtual studios, so the claim of having an exclusive agreement with SM for all EE countries is false.
-SM themselves have said that studios = / = guaranteed placement, models not in studios have also confirmed this from their own experience.
-you dont need to work exclusively for one webcam site
annabellz
10-28-2012, 11:47 AM
I understand your frustrations. Camming is in essence a "work at home" profession. So it doesnt matter where you broadcast from, it matters where your 'home base' is. The site needs to determine where your 'home base' is. They do that based on the type of ID you submit. If you submit a form of ID showing you are an EE national and nothing to show you are a UK resident, or that your 'home base' is in the UK, then it would make sense for the site to follow their procedures for referring you to an EE studio (regardless of how wrong that policy is).
You may be able to appeal to model support or to Liz, if you do have documentation showing you are a current long term UK resident.
The only other option I see would be is to contact Daily pay and see if they would be able to sign you up at a better rate then the EE studio is offering.