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roast
10-28-2012, 12:07 PM
I understand your frustrations. Camming is in essence a "work at home" profession. So it doesnt matter where you broadcast from, it matters where your 'home base' is. The site needs to determine where your 'home base' is. They do that based on the type of ID you submit. If you submit a form of ID showing you are an EE national and nothing to show you are a UK resident, or that your 'home base' is in the UK, then it would make sense for the site to follow their procedures for referring you to an EE studio (regardless of how wrong that policy is).


^Over the past year and a half Ive heard of a similar problem like this where SM adjusted the payout of 2 performers who had EE passports but their addresses were in the US. They didnt officially assign them a studio (like didnt inform them, so Im not clear if they were in one), but they removed 5% of their independent payout. When both performers challenged them later, they readjusted their earnings back to 35%.

But I think those performers were only successful because they got checks *mailed* to them, so that was evidence that is that is truly where they live. Im sure it is more difficult for people who get paid electronically who have a passport/residence split.

One of CC's suggestions is people sign up for sites with a passport in case their 2257 information is resold (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?147389-Free-Advice-on-Privacy-amp-Personal-Security) (bc passport's dont show your address), but Id probably suggest since this issue with SM keeps happening: if your passport does not match the country you currently reside in and you only want to be paid electronically.. you may be chucked into a studio. Id suggest you weigh the pros/cons of the small possibility your content is relicensed and sold with the possibility of an impact to your earnings/autonomy. Using an ID that matches your residence may help prevent headache.

...............I really dont know why this policy even exists tbh because it is dumb. so it feels even dumber we're trying to apply critical thinking skills to something dumb.

roast
10-29-2012, 10:12 AM
^OK, in requesting the screenshot I forgot to add (or explain how to) scribble out your personal info.

You may want to remove the SM account # you posted though.

Thanks for explaining ID use in the EU, I didnt know so I appreciate it.

I think requesting cheques may help your case. Honestly Id suggest just emailing support back and say "Ive lived in the UK for a decade and will receive SM cheques in the UK - why do I have to sign up for an EE studio?" And keep emailing until you get a real answer or explanation. Some people who email SM's customer service say to just keep emailing until you get a real answer instead of an automated one... and maybe that strategy would help this case.

People often reference a Liz as helping them with SM issues - here is her contact info (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?138508-Liz-with-Streamate). You could try CC-ing her on those emails. There is a risk that that would flag your account for the camreggy studio (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-(aka-avoid-studios)&p=2410300&viewfull=1#post2410300) but it just doesnt make sense why youd *have* to use it as there are EE nationals who live in SM-preferred countries (US, UK) who get paid 35%, so you should too.

I do have alternative suggestions (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-(aka-avoid-studios)&p=2358565&viewfull=1#post2358565) but they involve studios or customer service's inattention but since you want to be independent and get started already, that feels less than ideal. So, if youre up for it and are OK with the risks, try that first?

wtfrizzo
10-29-2012, 01:20 PM
Thank you so much for this info! I, unknowingly, applied to a studio! Luckily, I read this before I agreed to their contract so I was able to get out of it. Again, Thanks for saving my butt!

Isabe
10-31-2012, 08:29 AM
Am I right?
To sign for Flir4Free directly is:

and.. is it a studio for Flirt4Free?

aberrant
10-31-2012, 08:35 AM
Am I right?
To sign for Flir4Free directly is: http://www.webcam4money.com/

and.. https://www.5pointsmodels.com is it a studio for Flirt4Free?
I am not familiar with flirt4free, but they both look like studios.
I think this is the direct link to sign up with them
http://www.flirt4free.com/broadcasters.php

As a rule, I am suspicious of webcam signup pages that don't say clearly what site you will be working on. Also, if you scroll to the bottom of most cam sites there will be a 'become a model' link.

Isabe
10-31-2012, 08:50 AM
Thanks a lot for your reply.

roast
10-31-2012, 09:15 AM
^Shit, I think Ive been linking to something else entirely for Flirt4Free. I couldve sworn I had the right link but I mustve not**. Thanks for catching this (both of you), Im glad the posts here say to always click "become a model" on the actual site to get the right application bc that is some shitty human error on my part. Im going to edit / correct / redirect links as much I can.

If advice or links are off or seem weird or inconsistent or youre unsure, def ask publicly itll probably be an important oversight or something is unclear. Dont hesitate to ask or cross-reference. Thanks aberrant and Isabe.


**EDIT: I believe F4F's signup used to go direct to their affiliate site (videosecrets.com), which from there you can signup as a cam model bc it is still the same company. But Im not sure if F4F has changed their signup page, webcam4money is just redundant, webcams4money is an affiliate redirect, or something else happened.

Let me doublecheck this, bc I remember for each site quadruple checking to make sure I used the right signup link, so idk what happened, but this update is important. Ill edit this with an update once i have one. I changed most links in this thread for now though.

That is all to say I 100% agree with aberrant - just signup with the link she posted.

EDIT2: OK, Webcam4Money is the same company as VideoSecrets which is Flirt4Free. It is not a studio, just a hokey name for their FAQs domain. Youll see there is a link to it on the official F4F sign up page:

http://i.imgur.com/BMenM.gif
^F4F linking to Webcam4Money

http://i.imgur.com/6rGaG.gif
^Webcam4Money's Customer service info (note the email domain and numbers)

http://i.imgur.com/2FBoQ.gif
^Note Flirt4Free's Customer service info (note the email domain and numbers)

Also Webcam4Money and Flirt4Free both linkback to each other for a few things (FAQs, 2257, primary producers, etc). The site contact info, privacy notices, and whois info for each site (plus vs.com and vsmedia.com) all match as well. Theyre all products of vsmedia.com - which produces Flirt4Free.com.

I think since I originally made this post (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160099-How-to-sign-up-for-sites-directly-to-earn-more-(aka-avoid-studios)) they created a new model signup page. Which is here (http://www.flirt4free.com/broadcasters.php) (aberrant's link). It used to just redirect you to Webcam4Money.com (http://www.webcam4money.com/signup.php) but I think they added this in. Both links are valid abd Webcam4Money is suprisingly not a studio, it is one of the direct signup links for Flirt4Free.

........I should probably delete all of this figuring out but Id rather be transparent just in case. It is always important to doublecheck and ask questions though, so thanks guys!

robotron
11-05-2012, 04:04 PM
How do I sign up with chaturbate? I searched the forum for a link and on the chaturbate page I can only see a sign up page for the guys... I emailed their support and havn't gotten a response. I feel like an idiot, it's probably obvious to everyone else. lol Can anyone post the link please? I'm now googling chaturbate model sign up to no avail. :/

roast
11-06-2012, 10:17 AM
^Chaturbate doesnt have a virtual studio system (at this time), so this may not be a helpful thread for you - but http://chaturbate.com/accounts/register/ <-- appears to be the signup link, I believe to create a chaturbating account, an exhibitionist account, or a customer account you go through the same signup page. Best to find one of the Chaturbate Threads (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?176118-Chaturbate) in Camming Connection to confirm, or ask the admin punker barbie (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/member.php?99917-punker-barbie) for help.

twistedprincess
11-07-2012, 11:01 AM
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NatDoll
11-16-2012, 06:07 AM
Hello everyone! first of all sorry if my english isnt good enough ;-)
Im gutted! I was working on streamate for 3,5 years, and now when i wanted to leave my studio camcash.ru. dont wanna close it!
I asked them few times, but they just ignore it
They politic is just ridiculous, while everyone gets 35%, they are trying to pay me 27%, not even 30 like before! They didnt even send me a letter about any changes, so one day i just found out that for 1 dollar i get 0,27c
Anyway, streamate send me a msg saying : Accounts in CamCash are protected. You are not able to just close the account and make a new one. The account must be released and closed by CamCash before we can approve any new account for you. Please contact camcash.ru to see if they will close and release your
account with them. Thank you
Camcash said the account will be closed automatically in 90 days if i wont use it! i think thats wrong, i think they have no right to do that esp when i ask them to close it
So i was reading the agreement and it says, i can terminate it with 30 days written notice. I have to get all monies first tho ;-)
Well, anybody had this problem before??? I just dont know what to do........
thanks

Snowy0Star
11-28-2012, 07:36 PM
Sorry if this has been asked but this thread its kinda long but how do you know if your singed in with a studio? I signed up for Streammate and a few others from links in the adult job section on Backpage now I'm worried I'm in a studio -_-

Snowy0Star
11-28-2012, 08:40 PM
Ok I just found out that I am in a studio. I saw on my earnings someone gave me $1 in gold and I only got 20cents of that. Now how can I figure out what studio it is? I havent used SM since the summer and only for like a day or two but if there gonna take another 15% out of what I get after SM takes there share I'll gonna make damb sure Ill do whatever I can to make sure I get front page.

roast
11-29-2012, 01:51 PM
^

Quick questions:

1. Have you been paid yet from SM or not yet?
2. Can you search your email inbox for any correspondence between you and the site you signed up for SM under? Basically poke around the files on your computer for your application, who you sent it to, any emails you sent out to request more info on, etc.
3. Do you live outside of: North America, Western Europe, New Zealand, or Australia?

Snowy0Star
11-29-2012, 01:54 PM
I havent cashed out yet with SM and theres so many cam sites i signed up for at the same time it could be any one of them thats the studio but i can dig deep in my trash folder in my email and list all the sites i signed up for about a year ago if that would help u help me figure this out.

Snowy0Star
11-29-2012, 05:44 PM
they closed my account.super shocked that they would just close my account because i asked them too even tho i was with a studio... guess im one of the lucky ones =^y^=

roast
11-30-2012, 10:25 AM
They = Streamate or They = Your studio?

Great either way.

Snowy0Star
11-30-2012, 01:02 PM
SM and thax

Snowy0Star
11-30-2012, 07:29 PM
I dont think you can sign up directly with Cams.com anymore I keep trying and it keeps taking me over to Streamray. I click on the link at the top of the thread and it says Cams.com powered by Streamray. Click on the get started fill out the info then you get an email that says welcome to Cams.com as the title then it says in the body click here to broadcast in Streamray Models Center did a test a signed up at Streamray.com got the exact email.

roast
12-01-2012, 12:16 AM
Streamray = Cams.com, same company.

TriXieBaby
12-09-2012, 12:27 AM
I'm only earning 20 percent at streammate. I haven't even got my first check yet. I just didn't know about the studio business and all that. This sucks.

CourtneyRaine
12-11-2012, 02:49 PM
Question: I was with IntrnMdling but just asked them to close my SM account so I can sign up through DailyPay. The studio rep just emailed me and told me they have closed my account but I am still seeing my profile up on SM. Is that normal? I thought when my studio account was closed my profile would be closed as well? I don't want to apply with DP until I know I'm officially out of that studio and now I am wary.

roast
12-12-2012, 12:39 AM
^Nice, Im glad it was so easy! Phew!

My suggestion: forward their email to SM (the one where they confirm taking down your profile) and ask for an account closure / confirm your profile is removed and link to your live profile before signing up again. Just so it doesnt delay your application or accidentally reset your studio contract?

CourtneyRaine
12-13-2012, 07:36 PM
Hmm... So I emailed SM model support for confirmation that my model account has indeed been closed and that I am nw free to sign up with another sudio [DP]. I emailed from my hotmail email, which is the same email I used to register with IntrntMdling. I also attached the email releasing me from IntrnMdling as per Roasts's recommendation.

Sm Model support just relied with, "Our records show no account affiliated with this email address. Please email questions regarding your account from the email address that you provided when creating your account."

Here's the problem: IntrntMdling created an email account for SM on my behalf that I have no access to, it's (mymodelname)@intrntmdling.com. I could use that email address and my old studio password to log in to SM and email support from the model platform, but that will count as me logging in to IntrntMdling and reactiving my model account with them, which will reset the year waiting period, which I don't want to do.

Those whores. I KNEW it wasn't going to be this easy.

roast
12-13-2012, 07:43 PM
Wow your own email? Didnt know that about them.

If you want to switch to DP there is actually a process they have outlined in their help files - I cant find it at the moment but best to submit a help ticket to them on their site: http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/joomla/

I tried poking around their DP forums for info, they used to have a "How toleave one studio for DP" file but I cant find it, there may be info on their forum: http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=81a651eefa101a096357661800300846

Also TheBrownFox was able to switch from the studio your under to DP, she may have some wisdom if you contact her via PM?

CourtneyRaine
12-16-2012, 04:59 PM
Well, I've successfully signed up through DP using the same hotmail email address I used to sign up with IntrntMdling. Just got the email from SM that I can go ahead and upload all my verification documents so I can start broadcasting. Unless something weird happens with them matching my passport to my old studio account and reactivating it (Lordy I hope not!) it seems I should be good to go.

So for anyone reading this who is it trying to get out of IntrntMdling by switching to another studio rather than waiting the year to sign up directly, it seems like you can use the same email address and it should work as long as you don't use the "[email protected]" one.

Shycamgirl
12-20-2012, 09:30 PM
This is a great post! Before I signed up directly with the sites I almost signed up with a studio whose name I won't mention. A big alert is if they claim to be a modeling or porn agent. And yes also don't say what there payout rate is. I'm glad I did a lot of research and found this site before I made a big mistake signing with a studio. Now I will go directly to the site and do lots of research. If I like what I see on the site and what my research says then I go back to the site directly and sign up. There is usually a link at the bottom of the page for becoming a model.

Shycamgirl
12-20-2012, 09:37 PM
When I went to flirt4free and clicked on become a model webcam4money.com came up. So I think this is the direct site. I know 5pointsmodels is the studio because I almost signed up for it but changed my mind because of it being a studio.



I am not familiar with flirt4free, but they both look like studios.
I think this is the direct link to sign up with them
http://www.flirt4free.com/broadcasters.php

As a rule, I am suspicious of webcam signup pages that don't say clearly what site you will be working on. Also, if you scroll to the bottom of most cam sites there will be a 'become a model' link.

kristi_maxx
01-03-2013, 01:55 PM
OMG i am victim to internet modeling.....please help! however I just do not want to start all the way over :(
I thought I was making decent money on SM but after doing some math and seeing how much I could be making, it's depressing!

roast
01-04-2013, 10:47 PM
^We've been PMing back and forth under a different SN, correct?

Just to echo what I asked: have you tried out the suggestions listed here yet? IM is a really really hard studio to leave and may be getting tougher as time goes on. Try PMing TheBrownFox and CourtneyRaine to see if they have any updated tips as some of the ones listed in the past 4pages or so may not be as updated as they have it.

kristi_maxx
01-04-2013, 11:00 PM
^We've been PMing back and forth under a different SN, correct?

Just to echo what I asked: have you tried out the suggestions listed here yet? IM is a really really hard studio to leave and may be getting tougher as time goes on. Try PMing TheBrownFox and CourtneyRaine to see if they have any updated tips as some of the ones listed in the past 4pages or so may not be as updated as they have it.

Yes after you told me i was signed up as man, I made a new account plus I wanted to be active in the forums. not sure if you received my last message about that situation though
I have talked to TheBrownFox though

kristi_maxx
01-04-2013, 11:02 PM
^We've been PMing back and forth under a different SN, correct?

Just to echo what I asked: have you tried out the suggestions listed here yet? IM is a really really hard studio to leave and may be getting tougher as time goes on. Try PMing TheBrownFox and CourtneyRaine to see if they have any updated tips as some of the ones listed in the past 4pages or so may not be as updated as they have it.

Yes after you told me i was signed up as man, I made a new account plus I wanted to be active in the forums. not sure if you received my last message about that situation though
I have talked to TheBrownFox though

Marķa Bala
01-10-2013, 05:36 PM
Another one bites the dust.....

THANK YOU very much for this threat. I see a better future from here.

Snowy0Star
01-23-2013, 03:13 AM
Just wanted to put this out there in case anyone finds it useful. A good way to tell a studio page from a "real site" is to look at the bottom of the page where the menu is. On real sites it normally has sections that say models wanted model sign in STUDIOS wanted studio log in. If it was a studio they wouldnt have the studios wanted link. Its not the be all end all to find out if its a studio or a "real siter" but its just another good indication that i personaly use to find the "real sites" and a studio.

I've also have found that a lot of times studios dont even have thier own sign in page for models on there homepage they have you sign in to the "real site" after everything is all said and done and ur account is made. If the .com they tell you to sign in from to go live isnt the same as the one you signed up with more then likely its a studio you just got urself roped into. I suggust you pretend like you never made that account and sign up directly with the .com the studio told you to go to sign in on.

My Personal Example

I spent forever trying to get an account on Paradise Kitty .com after it was all set up i finally got the email saying my account was up and log in on Live Jasmin... I wasnt worried to much about it since i already have a Live Jasmin account i just felt silly i spent all that time trying to get that account up and running and it turned out to be a dud. ( I spent a significant amount of time emailing them once a week over the course of a few weeks to get that account activated)

roast
01-23-2013, 12:20 PM
Thanks for writing this, especially this part:


Just wanted to put this out there in case anyone finds it useful. A good way to tell a studio page from a "real site" is to look at the bottom of the page where the menu is. On real sites it normally has sections that say models wanted model sign in STUDIOS wanted studio log in. If it was a studio they wouldnt have the studios wanted link. Its not the be all end all to find out if its a studio or a "real siter" but its just another good indication that i personaly use to find the "real sites" and a studio.

Good point! I did want to note that huge virtual studio sites that have 'agents' like Internet modeling.com and i-camz.com for example to have different logins for their agents (so a studio... within a studio) but by and large this would apply.

Wanted to add:


I suggust you pretend like you never made that account and sign up directly with the .com the studio told you to go to sign in on.

^This might work for most sites except 3:

1. probably not Adultwork as they log your IP address and arent proxy friendly, someone more AW savvy can answer though.
2. Streamate. it may work for most virtual studios, but probably not internet modeling or camsharks.
3. Naked.com since it works in a studio system that seems to be country based so if you signup again you may just be tossed back into the same one.

But itd most likely work for most other major cam sites ImLive, Livejasmin, Webcams, etc. since Ive seen people on adult webmaster forums complaining about that in particular. IDK about Flirt4Free as those studios seem to be the most anxious about retaining their models (Cloud9, RecessionGirlz), but who knows?

If you do try this - as we've mentioned up thread a few times: definitely try signing up for the site again with a different email and a new screen name, should increase your chances of not getting caught.

roast
01-23-2013, 12:30 PM
Hey any updates from the 2 ppl on this page on moving away from Internet Modeling.com, have any the suggestions or feedback / PMs to previous escapees helped?

My concern is that they (specifically) are now nearly impossible to leave and in 2012 we publicly abused some loopholes too much that the loopholes have closed, so new one have to be found for 2013 onwards.

JaneBurgess
02-09-2013, 02:05 PM
Why did you guys sign up with a studio? Unless it is a physical studio, what's the benefit? The cam sites don't send more traffic to studio performers despite what studio's might say. If you have the equipment, you should sign up with a cam site directly.

Mlle_Mystere
02-09-2013, 02:30 PM
Why did you guys sign up with a studio? Unless it is a physical studio, what's the benefit? The cam sites don't send more traffic to studio performers despite what studio's might say. If you have the equipment, you should sign up with a cam site directly.

For the most part, it happens because people don't know that they're studios. That's how I ended up signing through mine, I had no idea that it wasn't it's own company. THEN I found StripperWeb and the truth came out :P

Snowy0Star
02-09-2013, 02:31 PM
same with me i got sucked into studios because i applyed for a few cam sites form adult job ads on backpage.com

JaneBurgess
02-11-2013, 04:33 PM
That sucks. They should be honest about being a studio.




For the most part, it happens because people don't know that they're studios. That's how I ended up signing through mine, I had no idea that it wasn't it's own company. THEN I found StripperWeb and the truth came out :P

MissSassyPickles
02-11-2013, 04:38 PM
icamz is a studio that has recently been trolling sw... watch out ladies don't sign up!

Snowy0Star
02-12-2013, 04:43 AM
That sucks. They should be honest about being a studio.

If they told the truth I honestly dont think anybody would sign up with them. When I signed up from the ads online I had no clue what a studio was or they were one. They dont do much for you unless ur in a pshyical studio and althuo some pay for spots at the top on Streammate its kinda taking the easy way out from working for top placement and in the long run fucking urself over from a lot of money vs just tuffing out the hard times and working towards the placement urslef with pateince and hardwork. And they take a chunk of money out of what little u do make on big box sites like Streammate. In a way studios are headhunters for big box sites and instead of sm paying them to get u signed up u eternally pay them a portion of ur hard earned cash on top of the percentage the main site takes out

roast
02-12-2013, 10:32 AM
^I appreciate your overall contributions to this thread - but not everyone gets what studios are, it is a pretty unclear and secretive part of camming, which is why this thread had to be stickied for reference, so can you scale back the sarcasm as that may derail the informative purpose of this thread.

What studios are and how they function arent blatantly obvious to everyone, I wouldnt want people who are just learning about what studios are to feel like any question or comment is stupid and may be mocked... especially in this thread. Thanks.

ShayBaby
02-16-2013, 05:21 AM
man...I fucked up lol.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?158345-Looking-for-Cam-Models&p=2455752#post2455752

just posting this here too cause i could use some advise from u savy ladies on what to do about this little...erm...mistake

thanks!!

Snowy0Star
02-16-2013, 08:28 AM
man...I fucked up lol.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?158345-Looking-for-Cam-Models&p=2455752#post2455752

just posting this here too cause i could use some advise from u savy ladies on what to do about this little...erm...mistake

thanks!!

What studio to what site are u singed up in?

kristi_maxx
02-16-2013, 08:47 AM
Hey any updates from the 2 ppl on this page on moving away from Internet Modeling.com, have any the suggestions or feedback / PMs to previous escapees helped?

My concern is that they (specifically) are now nearly impossible to leave and in 2012 we publicly abused some loopholes too much that the loopholes have closed, so new one have to be found for 2013 onwards.

I am no longer with IM after they made a deal with me :-)

Snowy0Star
02-16-2013, 09:03 AM
I am no longer with IM after they made a deal with me :-)

what deal did they make with u if ur comfy sharing

kristi_maxx
02-16-2013, 09:15 AM
what deal did they make with u if ur comfy sharing
Sent you a PM

ShayBaby
02-16-2013, 12:42 PM
hey thanks for the response :)

it'd this one http://teasecamgirls.moonfruit.com/

Snowy0Star
02-16-2013, 01:11 PM
hey thanks for the response :)

it'd this one http://teasecamgirls.moonfruit.com/

So the studio is Tease Cam Girls it dosent seem real legit . Moonfruit is a webpage host site a lot of escorts use that site because its adult freindly and I lived in a house with a girl that used it. Do you know what the camsite this studio is hooked up with?