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GlamourRouge
09-11-2011, 09:53 AM
Yes, I'm also puzzled by a lot of things. It's already been mentioned that certain camgirls are using their boyfriends and subs to go after other camgirls but there is another issue I am puzzled by and this is with the Asian and Middle Eastern territories. Here is a perfect example:


08/25/11 @ 13:15:57 Premium chat - 1 star.
08/25/11 @ 13:16:51 GOLD - 1 star

Less than 60 seconds later after he exited my Premium chat room he tipped $0.70 gold and left another 1 star rating.

What puzzles me is why he is allowed to leave a 1 star rating on a tip that was sent when he was NOT in my chat room and if he was so unhappy with my show why would he leave a tip after the show?

This is not the first time I have had viewers from this region leave a 1 star rating and I believe it is because they are confused by the ratings system. I honestly believe this viewer meant to compliment me and not hurt me. Do I believe there are camgirls who are viscous enough to send their bf's and subbies to sabotage other girls? Yes I do, especially since it was mentioned to me by two viewers that were in my chat room the very first week I appeared on SM gave me fair warning that certain girls are posting it on their Facebook pages.

Why else do I believe it? because my star ratings didn't take a hit coincidentally until I started posting on this forum. It's not hard to figure out who I am and there are girls who are still badmouthing me and posting nasty nasties based on things that happened TWELVE years ago in the peak (or should I say bottom) of my drinking days. TWELVE YEARS!!

I'm certainly not claiming to be an angel 12 years after the fact, I'm still a very opinionated person who is still very proactive within this industry. Yes, I can be offensive with my sense, sensibilities and non-sensibilities..... But before you start slamming me with 1 star ratings and (or) when you choose to contact SM to say "so and so is bad news" based on something that happened 12 years ago or even yesterday, you need to consider that you aren't just boosting your ego when you do this, and you aren't just hurting me or whatever camgirl you are singling out. The fact is I know YOU are a single parent and I'm SHOCKED that you could stoop so low as to hit another single mom, single female with no safety nets, a handicapped or otherwise ill camgirl who is considered unemployable.. these are HUMAN BEINGS that are earning $650 or $800 or even $1000 a week, this is what she depends on to feed the children daddy isn't feeding, to shoe the feet daddy isn't shoeing, to clothe the backs and purchase school supplies that daddy is otherwise not available to help pay for. These are women who, just like you, are without safety nets and depend on their income to keep a roof over their heads and pay utilities. Monies are being used to pay for parts of their lives that none of you know about like funerals, hospital bills, and family members who are stricken with illness or injury and are unable to work. I don't know too many camgirls who are living a high life. Nor do I know any camgirl who wouldn't rather be doing something else if she had alternatives. The fact is we are all here for our own reasons and you don't know what those reasons are.

YOU can bad mouth me all you want. You can do whatever you can in your power to make me appear to be the devil with the face of the Virgin Mary it's all in fair play but when you start thinking that forcing the camgirl you hate so much into homelessness, forcing her child, children and (or) family into homelessness then there is something seriously wrong with your thinking and you deserve what karma has in store for you.

Ok so (insert confused moment of silence here) at some point I (or someone else) called you a "bitch" or otherwise offended you in a way that insulted your integrity or hurt your ego or maybe even what small amount of feelings you may possess were bruised, you didnt REALLY lose anything over it but... this is an acceptable reason to go after someones ability to survive? You are willing to send her child to the streets? Seriously?

You just better turn around and look behind you because Karma is about ready to take a whack at you sweety, and when it happens just know you set it up yourself. At some point, every camgirl you have ever hurt with your malicious actions will be looking on as you take YOUR turn with disgruntlement and unfairness.

I think all of you are wayyyy over thinking this. Especially when your real cam names are not even public on here. Idk maybe I missed something. I doubt girls are going to go out of their way to target one *specific* girl or multiple for that matter, in hopes of herself getting better ratings or whatever. A few one stars are not going to do anything to a girl who is getting 40+ 5 star ratings a week. A get 1 star ratings here and there, but its usually from guys who come into a group show and demand I do something specific, then leave when I don't. There's only so much you can do. Just worry about yourself and stay competitive. I feel like a lot of girls on here focus a lot on what other cam girls are or are not doing, but they should really just be worried about what they themselves are doing. No this is not directed to anyone in particular.

CammingSince97
09-11-2011, 11:05 AM
I think all of you are wayyyy over thinking this. Especially when your real cam names are not even public on here. Idk maybe I missed something. I doubt girls are going to go out of their way to target one *specific* girl or multiple for that matter, in hopes of herself getting better ratings or whatever. A few one stars are not going to do anything to a girl who is getting 40+ 5 star ratings a week. A get 1 star ratings here and there, but its usually from guys who come into a group show and demand I do something specific, then leave when I don't. There's only so much you can do. Just worry about yourself and stay competitive. I feel like a lot of girls on here focus a lot on what other cam girls are or are not doing, but they should really just be worried about what they themselves are doing. No this is not directed to anyone in particular.

You're right. I am. :-[

I have met so many girls that are so supportive of one another and the circle of girls I associate with help me to feel happier when I am camming, especially when the trolls and free seekers come out. It makes it easier when we are chit chatting amongst ourselves behind the scenes to mentally tolerate the negativity blasting at us from our screens. There is so much positive that comes from supporting each other. I shouldn't allow my knowledge of what a one or two bad apples are doing and just focus my attention on me and my inner circle, and stay focused on the positive.

Thanks for the reminder and see you in conference chat :)

Cam_Model_Jess
09-11-2011, 08:04 PM
Just to let you know, I feel really bad about a mistake that I made in a post recently. I commented that I got a bad rating from a customer and then when he left the show he sent me gold, so I got a second bad rating. I said that it affected me twice. My husband was the one who noticed this and I got really upset about it and went off half-cocked and sent an e-mail to SM. I did mention all the ways that the guys are able to rate us that they weren't before (when they're banned, when they're kicked, when they end the show). So it wasn't a total waste. However, they wrote back that guys' ratings never show up twice and there's no rating for gold.

I went back to my computer and calculator to prove them wrong. And guess what? They were right. I looked at every single customer's session for that day, wrote down every rating, added them all up, divided by the total number of ratings, and.... the "gold" rating did NOT count against me.

Maybe yours did, but just a suggestion to double check your rating for that day. I think you might find that it only counted against you once even though it showed up twice.

I feel bad about this mistake and I try very hard to only give advice/ instructions when I know what I'm talking about, so I apologize to you, CammingSince97, and hope that it didn't cause you any issues.

Btw, I think it's totally lame that someone would bother to rate another model. I don't really know if that's been done to me. I've suspected it. However, I have also suspected that some guys are confused about the rating system b/c I've had customers who made positive comments during the show and then gave me bad ratings when they left. But the majority of my negative ratings come from guys who are in my room less than 2 minutes and don't say a word during the show.

Cam_Model_Jess
09-11-2011, 08:13 PM
Ignore the haters, girl. I've been fortunate to not have many people mess with me, and I'm also fortunate that I'm super fast with the ban button and have been able to minimize damage. I once had another model messing with me and it took me a long time to figure it out. She was acting like my friend, chatting with me while I was online, sending e-mails back and forth with me, etc. A few months later, I figured out that she had been "jumping" my show (watching my private sessions for free). I caught her doing it (blocked her by accident, unblocked her from chat but not messages, and saw her change her screename back to what it was when she would visit my room.) She didn't know I could watch her change her name b/c she didn't know I had her blocked from sending messages. When I called her on it, she acted like I was psycho. You gotta look out for you, but look out for your sanity too. I let things get to me too much, so I know how it is. But at some point you just have to say "I cannot control what other people do" and try to believe it :) It's hard, I know.

OJenni!
09-11-2011, 11:32 PM
I just saw a thing about camshark studios...apparently this is jayda diamonde's studio. Anyway in the add it said that the models get "preferred placement (first page listing)"
is this true? can you really get better placement with certain studios?

To be honest with you I have a small studio that I run on streamate and a few other sites. I don't bind anyone to any contracts, and will tell girls in North America/the UK to sign up with the site directly instead of using my studio. I cater mainly to Asian women who want to webcam from say Korea or Thailand. Because from what I know you can't sign up on streamate directly from certain countries.

From what I know placement is based on factors such as time in private vs/time in free, HD encoder, phone, posted schedule.

I mention time in private vs free chat because I notice whenever there has been a long private (like 10 mins or longer) after just logging in (say she's been in free for only 5 minutes) said girl jumps to the top of category and possibly gets on the main page.

Cam_Model_Jess
09-12-2011, 10:14 AM
^I wish they would just TELL us exactly what affects placement and be honest about it. I mean, it says right on the site what affects your placement, but people on here mention things that I've never heard of, like a schedule. I mean, a schedule, phone, and geo-restrictions etc are going to indirectly affect your placement, but it would be so very nice to know exactly what their formula is.

Of course... by not telling us, they keep a lot of us working much harder to get those better spots. So I suppose their vague answers are to their advantage in that regard.

~Carmen~
09-12-2011, 11:16 AM
Just to let you know, I feel really bad about a mistake that I made in a post recently. I commented that I got a bad rating from a customer and then when he left the show he sent me gold, so I got a second bad rating. I said that it affected me twice. My husband was the one who noticed this and I got really upset about it and went off half-cocked and sent an e-mail to SM. I did mention all the ways that the guys are able to rate us that they weren't before (when they're banned, when they're kicked, when they end the show). So it wasn't a total waste. However, they wrote back that guys' ratings never show up twice and there's no rating for gold.

I went back to my computer and calculator to prove them wrong. And guess what? They were right. I looked at every single customer's session for that day, wrote down every rating, added them all up, divided by the total number of ratings, and.... the "gold" rating did NOT count against me.

Maybe yours did, but just a suggestion to double check your rating for that day. I think you might find that it only counted against you once even though it showed up twice.

I feel bad about this mistake and I try very hard to only give advice/ instructions when I know what I'm talking about, so I apologize to you, CammingSince97, and hope that it didn't cause you any issues.

Btw, I think it's totally lame that someone would bother to rate another model. I don't really know if that's been done to me. I've suspected it. However, I have also suspected that some guys are confused about the rating system b/c I've had customers who made positive comments during the show and then gave me bad ratings when they left. But the majority of my negative ratings come from guys who are in my room less than 2 minutes and don't say a word during the show.

That's good to know Jess. The same thing happened to me and I thought I got 2 bad ratings. Thank you for clearing it up!

tashataboo
09-14-2011, 01:19 PM
Jayda Diamond was on page 9 last night on the over-all live list. She appeared with the off-line girls. When I checked placement by features (age range then hair color) she was 2 pages behind me. On "mature" that put her on page 4. On "hair color" she was on page 3.

So, no, having a studio or being in her studio, at least last night, does not help placement.

Her placement being that low might have been because she may have been broadcasting with her own site. Sorry, I don't know the term for this... What I mean is that if you have your own pay site streamate allows you to paste some code in it and your members will be able to see your SM broadcast. Whenever this is in use, the model shows up at the end of results automatically. So, if she was using that feature at the time this would explain the difference on those days.

It doesn't prove that she's not getting priority placement during regular broadcasting mode.

BambiDollface
09-14-2011, 01:50 PM
Below is an excerpt from a SM support email I received in response to questions about placement back in July.

'Placement on Streamate is impacted by a number of things. Primarily you should be streaming in HD using the HD encoder. Beyond that, use of audio in free chat, your performance and user ratings have an impact as well. Top rated, highest quality streams are those that are displayed most prominently.'

Cam_Model_Jess
09-14-2011, 02:14 PM
Her placement being that low might have been because she may have been broadcasting with her own site. Sorry, I don't know the term for this... What I mean is that if you have your own pay site streamate allows you to paste some code in it and your members will be able to see your SM broadcast. Whenever this is in use, the model shows up at the end of results automatically. So, if she was using that feature at the time this would explain the difference on those days.

This is true. I don't know if it's a new thing they're doing or if it's just a recent thing, but the models who do voyeur shows and the ones who have a member site are being moved down to the bottom of the "live and in private" models section, and their placement can range from the top-middle to bottom of that area. Their placement could be last on the "live and in private" section or they could be in the middle somewhere. Also, their placements APPEAR to be different when a customer is viewing the page while signed in & when he's not signed in. Their placement also changes according to whether or not guys are actually paying them in the show or they're just alone in there. (A voyeur cam model is just going along doing her thing and she may or may not be getting paid but she stays in private.)

No, I'm not stalking the voyeur models. :) (I'm trying to make fun of myself, ladies.) I know someone with this feature and she told me about it.

I'm not sure about the reasoning behind this. At first I thought it might be a coding error with the new programming. But now I think it might have something to do with SM wanting to "reward" models for spending time in free chat (thus attracting customers) or their placement might be genuinely affected because of the fact that they're not spending time in free chat. I know that the private chat vs. free chat time ratio figures into our placements. However, if you're never in free chat, that ratio might be negated.

Cam_Model_Jess
09-14-2011, 02:27 PM
Below is an excerpt from a SM support email I received in response to questions about placement back in July.

'Placement on Streamate is impacted by a number of things. Primarily you should be streaming in HD using the HD encoder. Beyond that, use of audio in free chat, your performance and user ratings have an impact as well. Top rated, highest quality streams are those that are displayed most prominently.'

Yep, notice the language. They are telling you some of the things that affect placement. However, they are not telling you that those are ALL of the factors in determining your placement. I'm not taking a stand on the studio issue since I haven't the slightest clue if it affects placement. Just pointing out that they might be slightly evasive about the exact variables.

They tell you that you should be using HD and the encoder. And they use the word "primarily" but don't specifically say that IS the number one placement determiner. Use of audio in free, your "performance" (assuming that means income?) & your ratings have an impact, but they don't say which is more important, if they're equally important, or those are the only other factors. In the last sentence they seem to be declaring that the models who have high quality streams and higher ratings are going to be placed higher, so I might assume that those are the two most important factors. However, as some girls on here have mentioned, there have been lower-rated models and models with crappy cameras/ connections on the first page.

So, it's still a mystery. Wouldn't it be funny if it was slightly randomized and they leave the top girls mostly in the same place but shake the rest up like dice in a cup every now and then just to keep us guessing and striving to get our higher spots back? I wouldn't be entirely surprised.

Ultimately, I'm not sure it's that important. As long as I'm not way down at the bottom of the first page, I'm happy. I wouldn't put it past SM to give special treatment to studios, but then those studios are really saving them a lot of trouble if the studios are handling the sign up process, model questions/issues, and are recruiting people. I'm not saying it's entirely fair, but I can see how they might give preferential treatment from a business standpoint. I'm not saying that studios do much for the models, per se, but I imagine that they take a lot of the work load off SM.

La Luna
10-07-2011, 10:43 PM
i joined thru a studio over a year and a half ago. i didn't really know much about the site or studios. i just wanted to work. i am not in jayda's studio. i am placed at #1 in several of my categories when i am online. and when i peek at the offline models i am listed as #1 in my categories still. i work most days regularly around the same time. i use the encoder. i don't offer phone. i don't talk in free chat at all and i don't show anything but my face for free. my star rating is 5, even tho i get random 1 ratings from jerkoffs. i was surprised to see myself listed in the #1 position for those few categories where i got the placement. why me? there are def more attractive women and bigger boobs, show more for free etc.

my advice i guess, not that i'm an expert, is to be steady. i think the site likes loyalty and cross promotion. i tweet when i'm online most of the time. streamate retweets this as they do for most models. work often. that seemed to make my placement go up.