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HaydenBlue
12-05-2012, 12:14 AM
Thanks Courtney and justsometwat - exactly.

BBs - please divide $5 by 101 .... = 0.04 cents PER video. You can't even buy a gumball that cheap. This particular girl had videos in her package at 10+ minutes. You are cray in the head to agree with 0.04 cents being OK.

Meaning I wish the girl would sell her package for waaaay higher. Because you can get paid at a higher price. You don't have to work twice as hard if you have higher prices.

We have 'Stop. being. cheap' and 'raise your rates' threads up and constantly bumped for a reason.

Because MyGirlFund is the terrifying example of where we are headed as an industry whole if people just suddenly stop giving a fuck and just GIVE things away. VERY unlikely, lol. obviously. But it's a shining example of where cheapness gets you and the 'karma' it brings (aka beggers/rude entitled assholes)

LilRedRidinGood
12-05-2012, 12:15 AM
bwahaha well fucking said!!!

Finally, someone says it. When girls charge a few bucks for their content, the guys will see the higher prices and wonder why in the hell they would pay that much for it.

One girl sells 200 videos for $5 and another sells 100 videos for a paid message, the guy now has 300 videos to watch for under $10, then decides to go take up the rest of the deals - pays $5 per girl, spends $50 and now has 1,000 videos and 10,000 photos, why in the hell would he go buy 1 video for $50 when he already has that much content?

Granted, some of the videos are probably 1 minute clips, but some guys get off to the gifs on C4S and some only need a minute or two to blow their load anyway, so what's the point.

It most certainly does affect every single girl on MGF. It is STUPIDITY to say it does not. Yes, there are guys that will still buy content for more than a few bucks, but it brings in the cheaper guys in that want to haggle prices and think they get everything for free. "Hey BigTitsMcGee has videos for $5, why is ClassyBiatch charging $50 for 2 videos? Fuck that!"

On top of that some of those girls sell the 1 minute cellphone clips, now the guys has all of these videos that look like someone filmed them with potato and now he is too afraid to waste more money on what could be more shitty videos.

LilRedRidinGood
12-05-2012, 12:18 AM
yeahhh I said the same thing when I was a new girl but when I was no longer on the new girl list and had to compete with girls giving it away for free I suddenly cared about how low they priced (ahem! valued) their vids. You just wait until some guy (10 guys) message you and say 'but so and so and so and so do it for half that!'
enjoy your newb time, it don't last forever.



Lol it's not "stupidity" simply MY sales are not affected by anyone as my vanilla videos sell even over 35 for one, and i dont spend all day on mgf

CarmenF
12-05-2012, 12:29 AM
yeahhh I said the same thing when I was a new girl but when I was no longer on the new girl list and had to compete with girls giving it away for free I suddenly cared about how low they priced (ahem! valued) their vids. You just wait until some guy (10 guys) message you and say 'but so and so and so and so do it for half that!'
enjoy your newb time, it don't last forever. my account has been active since june 2011 and i started using it in september 2011 so not on new girls page anymore and never took advantage of it :)
and guys actually message you to lower prices no matter how much you sell your stuff for as long as they wanna be dicks.

justsometwat
12-05-2012, 12:32 AM
I like how I disagreed and suddenly I am not able to be successful on MGF because I think you're making stupid assumptions about how it affects you. I am successful there, even more so if the cheap girls are more abundant than the girls that know how to properly price their videos.

Why do you think there are so many girls asking for advice on how to price their videos? If pricing a video is confusing to cam models then how do you think the customers feel when they see a deal for $5 as opposed to 1 video for $50?

Look how many girls disagree with the low pricing compared to those that *think* it doesn't affect them, you're in the minority - that's because we are right. You just don't want to see it.

Jaana
12-05-2012, 01:25 AM
What boggles my mind is two of the most notorious girls for selling hundreds of videos for $5 are in the UK, so let's do the math. Let's say she gets to keep 70%.
70% of $5 is $3.50.
$3.50 in pounds Sterling is £2.17.

Congratulations. you sold hours of content for less than the price of a sandwich.

And bout the race thing, i've never seem racism on the guys side, but i did have a loyal regular who i know both on and off of MGF say he saw a girl's profile once that said she prefered to only have "white" customers. he blocked her. i laughed..I guess she doesn't like money from non-white people can be loaded onto her Payoneer card. -eye roll-,

CarmenF
12-05-2012, 05:06 AM
If you think that girls shouldn't lower their prices too much and think that is what is causing you problems then by all means you should contact MGF and ask to have a minimum price based for everything.
I know that guys like to pay for my quality and something that works for me may not work for you - I could not be as succesful in any other site as you others are working on who knows. But when I even halve my price I get no bites, most guys tell me and I speak of several dozens that they prefer one 30$ hot video from a girl they talk to and fantasize about rather than 100 videos for 5$ from a girl that has the same meaning as watching stuff from free on tube sites.
But this is the last time I am going on this subject because what works for me may not work for someone else.

About racism I never saw much, I see some guys want latinas, caucasians, blondes, redheads, skinny, bbw but I never noticed "No black girls thanks".

CourtneyRaine
12-05-2012, 11:08 AM
... most guys tell me and I speak of several dozens that they prefer one 30$ hot video from a girl they talk to and fantasize about rather than 100 videos for 5$ from a girl that has the same meaning as watching stuff from free on tube sites.


Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. If a girl invests the time and energy talking to guys for hours then sure, he is more likely to buy a higher-priced video from he because he feels they have a "connection." I am no longer willing to invest time chatting with guys who bore me when *my* time would be better spent on a free chat site, but that's just what works for me and I understand that everyone is different. There is literally only one guy on MGF whom I absolutlely adore and I have no problem chatting with him because we can actually have an intelligent conversation like two friends, not "Hey girl, wanna see ma dick?"

I've been on MGF for about a year and a half and over that time I am seeing an influx of guys who are really just looking for cheap content without friendships. I price my videos at around $3/min and even a year ago I never really got guys trying to haggle unless they wanted a package deal or something. Now? The majority that I come across just want the cheap deals. I attribute that to the fact that as the months and months have passed girls are pricing lower and lower so they come to expect it. I feel like MGF is starting to be known as the place to get never before seen cheap amateur content. Sad, really.

I've seen plently of guys' profiles that state they prefer white girls. Or blondes. Or skinny chicks. Or tattooed girls, or whatever. Obviously we all have our preferences- at one point I ever put as my status "Where are all the Asian guys hiding?" because I LOVE Asian guys and wanted to cam2cam with one. Usually before I decide to chat or message a guy I've never spoken with before I look at his ratings and look at what types of girls he's contributed to before. If all of his feedback is from skinny girls who look barely legal he probably won't be attracted to me so I keep it moving. I'm still curious to hear from other girls of color on there. Anyone????

CarmenF
12-05-2012, 04:31 PM
I actually pick random guys to chat with, and some who have ratings from skinny girls with huuuge boobies contributed to me a lot. I am doing quite fine and didn't notice an increase of cheapo guys but I have a large regular custie base!
Honestly I would never pay more than 1$ for a video from a girl if I didn't get to know her a bit. Probably my prices keep begging cheap guys away :P
If a guy bores me I'll get him to pay to talk about his dick or pay me for any other reason, but maybe MGF isn't your favourite place to be

CourtneyRaine
12-05-2012, 07:55 PM
Honestly I would never pay more than 1$ for a video from a girl if I didn't get to know her a bit...

This is the type of attitude I find from a lot of guys on MGF and I think it is absolutely insulting. A guy can pay my rate for my content or go watch "free" porn. The actresses in all of this "free" porn on tube sites have actually been PAID for the shoot, so they have already been fairly compensated. Paying $1 a video to an amateur girl is not fair to that girl AT ALL and I am shocked that a fellow model would imply that that's an acceptable rate, regarless of whether you know the girl or not. So even assuming a girl is at the highest tier and making 90%, do you think's okay to pay her only $0.90 to see her naked? Carmen, when I lurk in the GOB I read what you write and I have always respected how you present yourself, which is why I'm really surpised by what you said in your previous comment.

And no, MGF is not my favorite place to be :) I actually almost deletd my account but I don't want to lose a back-up source of income, especially knowing that I would have to start back at zero with ratings and % levels. I am going to be living with my guy again in three months and he knows I cam but doesn't like it so I will probably be forced to spend more time on MGF as I cut back on my free chat sites. It's easier to chat, sell videos, and reply to paid messages while my guy is sitting next to me playing video games than it is to hustle in free chat. I don't know, the more I read this thread and the craziness of the girls forum and GOB, the less enthused I become about putting in more effort there.

TriXieBaby
12-06-2012, 01:46 AM
I just set up an account!

CarmenF
12-06-2012, 03:12 AM
This is the type of attitude I find from a lot of guys on MGF and I think it is absolutely insulting. A guy can pay my rate for my content or go watch "free" porn. The actresses in all of this "free" porn on tube sites have actually been PAID for the shoot, so they have already been fairly compensated. Paying $1 a video to an amateur girl is not fair to that girl AT ALL and I am shocked that a fellow model would imply that that's an acceptable rate, regarless of whether you know the girl or not. So even assuming a girl is at the highest tier and making 90%, do you think's okay to pay her only $0.90 to see her naked?

I am not judging anyone by how much I wanna pay them just expressing how much I wanna spend on something. Just saying that like I would spend even 300$ for a pair of shoes or 50$ for a video from a girl I know well and maybe fantasize on, I wouldn't spend a dollar on a girl which didn't take the time to chat and stuff. The point is not how much I see she is worth (my mistake in explaining!!) but why should I pay for a stranger if other strangers appear elsewhere? What guys pay is the fantasy, the interaction. I value the fact that I bought a video from a girl and I'm telling her in chat how much she made my dick hard (if I were a man LOL) or that I can send her a message and thank you, or knowing she's gonna buy food/lingerie/videogames with my money and maybe show me on cam next time!
I made some videos for ELM and put price a little lower because I realize I need less effort, and some feet fetish even cost one credit :) OF course they don't show face or anything, they last a couple of minutes, (no bites at all hahah) but I know that ELM is passive income no need to get friends with guys unless I decide to start doing customs.

I hope I explained better now :) Good luck with that. My bf doesn't want me to join the cam sites but not having to rely on any of these incomes is ok, I enjoy MGF and I'm trying to convince him on ELM and possibly Clips4Sale, even for non nude stuff would be great!!




I just set up an account!
Welcome Trixie! Feel free to come to Girls Blogs or Forums if you need help.

TriXieBaby
12-06-2012, 03:24 AM
Thank you hun! I am thrilled to get started :) I love the layout of the site !

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 10:32 AM
Hola Ladies - long time no see!!

I have been reading the posts here today over the last couple months/weeks and I wanted to offer my input.

First, taking things personal here - it's not worth it. You always have to remember, this is text and it is very easy to blow things out of proportion or take things the wrong way. A lot of people have a hard time interpreting words in a text - so just remember, these are opinions only.

Second - based on opinions only - when it comes down to MGF, remember this is what you make of it. I completely understand the frustrations of what girls sell for, might be cheaper or more expensive than others, but, I can speak personally that I have zero issues with pricing. What I have set my prices at, guys have no problem paying, regardless of who is doing what. I agree that it pisses me off - but REMEMBER that the majority of girls who are doing that, are probably doing it for the following reasons:
a) They just don't give a shit about it. They just want the popularity and that's it. AKA the featured list.
b) These girls probably have other income.
c) MANY of those girls have crap quality. I have heard it over and over from my customers about how they can get that cheap thrill - but either they have grainy quality, too far away from the cam, or are faking it. Hence the cell phone quality like videos and pix sets. You get what you pay for. I have NEVER heard of girls with awesome content selling their stuff for that little.
d) They think they will get repeat business without thinking of the bigger picture. Let them fall on their faces.
e) asking for input on pricing is one thing - but in the end, girls will do what they want in the long run.

Third - I agree with MGF becoming mainly a disgusting fetish site or mostly couple content. I have noticed a significant drop in sales in the last few months. Granted there are guys that like solo content but they are few and far between anymore. You need to blame MGF for that issue. Back in the day, before the rise of B/G content - even though it was around and just not really that big yet - SOLO content was where it was at... Now, you are lucky if guys will so much as speak to you.

Lastly, you have to put yourself out there. I know that many guys bitch about being spammed but it's a certain KIND of spam that will get you noticed. You have to figure that part out for yourself. You have to be willing to put in the time, every day to get business. Too many girls think just because they are HOT that posting a picture with a few vids will make you bank. This job is ALWAYS a Sales position. end of story.

To the girl who got in trouble because she was paid through MGF and was on Skype - that's YOUR FAULT. You probably already knew that MGF logs everything and more so, no offsite contact is allowed. I cannot understand why girls can't follow the rules to come back and bitch later. Keep your business strictly MGF on MGF and keep the other business like Skype going elsewhere - make the guy load money to your PAYONEER and do the show after that. But my rule of thumb = I do not go off MGF. Why? Because MGF is too awesome to get money when you need it. Other big box sites are not worth it - because you still have to put in the same amount of time on MGF you would elsewhere. You just have to be willing to. I know it is easier to get paid on MGF and go elsewhere - but that was the risk YOU took when you took the payment. How many times do we hear about chargebacks? You set yourself up for failure without proof. MGF could kick you alone for doing that. I am sure they don't want to see Skype shots after the complaint. That's retarded. You have to remember - MGF is running a business and so are you. You have to play by the rules on places like MGF. If you don't, these things happen. Just understand that your business is what you make of it. Being Greedy, trying to take shortcuts or things of that sort, often leave you in deep water that you are more pissed off about and taking forever to correct.

The ONLY things that bothers me about MGF - is the amount of girls that take a guys money and take forever to get their order done. I DO NOT, under any circumstance, accept a guys money until there custom is COMPLETE or I make them put it in escrow. I do not want the BS or the bad rating. I don't want the fighting or the effect on my rating. I don't care if I need the $ or not - it's good business practice. When you get the guy that's bitching he got ripped by the last girl, and then he runs into you and your PROFESSIONAL business practice with customs, believe it or not, HE WILL APPRECIATE IT. I have never had a guy bitch for how I do it - they more often appreciate it I am not just there to take some cash and run. Not to mention, if you don't get the customs done, it is going to effect a feedback rating and get money taken from YOUR fund. There is no harm in being honest and a PROFESSIONAL hustler. Another thing that bothers me, is the amount of SOB Stories..

How many birthdays are you gonna have? How many pets are going to die? How many times does your grandparents have to die? How many times is your one bill going to shut off your service? Guys are really, really, started to get irritated with irresponsibility and girls who do this stuff. Many of them say - well if you are broke, maybe you shouldn't be buying super expensive lingerie or the nice car and get your shit together... maybe get your other bills cut down - stop being greedy. Guys are OVER the sob stories, believe me.

As much as MGF pisses me off - I have to remember that I am responsible for how I do there. It doesn't matter if my content is 6 months old - I can still DO well based on how I present myself and my image. I also don't post offers, blogs or go in the girls forum - because I do strictly WHAT I WANT and without any influence.

It may not mean much to a lot of you - but the 35k that I have made in the last year there, certainly has paid off for what system I made for myself. All the research, time, mistakes, and countless nights not making money, I have learned what works and what doesn't.

Just my opinion. I hope you all had a fantastic holiday and are looking forward to X-mas.

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 10:39 AM
Another thing I wanted to talk about.... This new MGF Legends profile on the guys side.

Do you guys know what that's about? Apparently, from what I am gathering, not sure if it's entirely accurate...

That these are the VET girls and such - and have the ability to look at your page, talk to guys and answer questions...

Personally, IDK why this page was needed - but I blocked it. You can block it and they will not be able to see your page - but you can still see theirs since it's set up that way.

Just my personal opinion - but I keep my page unlisted for link reasons - I don't want anyone seeing my page unless I OFFER than information.

I haz a grudge against trolls.

CourtneyRaine
12-06-2012, 10:42 AM
@Carmen, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the issue of pricing :) A little off topic, but I would definitely encourage you to set up a Clips4Sale store. I only upload non-nude bizarre fetish stuff on there (burping, eating, vore, etc.) and I do WAY better than on MGF for WAY less effort. It sounds like you do well with MGF so I'm not sure how c4s would compare in your case but you can really just uplaod, do no advertsing at all, and still watch the sales roll in every day.

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 10:44 AM
Also - I wasn't sure if many of you new posters were aware...

I started a thread back in May, which has been neglected - that goes hand in hand.

Many of us are always asking how do I make THIS Vid or that Pix set - I made this thread back then - and it has helped in the past...

Us MGF girls should surely offer some input and advice to revive it.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?173472-The-quot-How-To-quot-Make-that-Video/page5

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 10:45 AM
@Carmen, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the issue of pricing :) A little off topic, but I would definitely encourage you to set up a Clips4Sale store. I only upload non-nude bizarre fetish stuff on there (burping, eating, vore, etc.) and I do WAY better than on MGF for WAY less effort. It sounds like you do well with MGF so I'm not sure how c4s would compare in your case but you can really just uplaod, do no advertsing at all, and still watch the sales roll in every day.

You are right on the C4S store. Many girls also go there to sell there things. It does do well if you are on the bigger box sites too compared to MGF. Even more so, guys hae more searching capability and they have MORE flexibility on pricing. When I was there, I did have the advantage. I could set my prices $10-$50 higher than I would on MGF and guys have ZERO issue paying for that there.

CourtneyRaine
12-06-2012, 10:51 AM
Another thing I wanted to talk about.... This new MGF Legends profile on the guys side.

Do you guys know what that's about?

I know as much about it as you do but I DON'T like it. Why are a select group of girls allowed to access my information? I don't care if they are vets or not, they have never done me any favors and quite frankly, I think it's elitist BS that MGF would give certain "special" girls so much power. I wonder if they're getting paid for it. It's all politics over there, I tell ya. I just peeped in the GOB this morning and literally cringed over all the drama from the past few days. I have seen some of these veteran girls be incredibly snarky and rude. So, thanks for reminding me to block the Legends! I'm not knocking any of the girls as individuals who are Legends, I just think the idea of it as a whole is freaking ridiculous.

(I mean, these girls are my competition- how does MGF think that giving them more status than me is a good thing? Good for them, maybe. Pfft.)

CarmenF
12-06-2012, 10:52 AM
thanks Cr i will try to convince bf... i got tons of smoke fetish hair stuff... :)

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 10:57 AM
I know as much about it as you do but I DON'T like it. Why are a select group of girls allowed to access my information? I don't care if they are vets or not, they have never done me any favors and quite frankly, I think it's elitist BS that MGF would give certain "special" girls so much power. I wonder if they're getting paid for it. It's all politics over there, I tell ya. I just peeped in the GOB this morning and literally cringed over all the drama from the past few days. I have seen some of these veteran girls be incredibly snarky and rude. So, thanks for reminding me to block the Legends! I'm not knocking any of the girls as individuals who are Legends, I just think the idea of it as a whole is freaking ridiculous.

(I mean, these girls are my competition- how does MGF think that giving them more status than me is a good thing? Good for them, maybe. Pfft.)

You are 100% right on this. I do not like it. I think it's BS. I think it's a hidden way for some of the girls to look at other pages and get ideas or snoop... What's the Girls forum for then? I do not think they are getting paid for it. I haven't uncovered anything as far as that. I agree - in the old GOB when you asked a question, you had to watch yourself or get crucified. What bothers me the most is that the majority of those vets think they have ALL the answers, and have the right to downplay or insult the girls asking for help without question. How the F do you expect girls to come and ask you how to do something if you make them feel THIS BIG for it? It's ridiculous. They are vets, they made their money... THE ONLY Vet that I have taken things from is Xena. She is the only one I have seen that isn't a complete bitch and is willing to help you in any case. I don't think they are all snarky asshats - but the majority of them are for sure. They have never done anything for me - but as I said in my previous posts, befriending girls there is DANGEROUS hence my post of a girl making guys accounts to spy on my feedback and all that jargon. I am still BUTT HURT over that.

Oh Drama? I need to check it out then LOL!! I love watching them squabble. It's hilarious to me. The jealousy and petty shit is off the WALL!

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 10:58 AM
and Carmen - you keep doing your thing girl..

I know plenty of my customers and friends there speak VERY highly of you.

CourtneyRaine
12-06-2012, 11:07 AM
@MissMafia, I have no idea who you are on there but I do think I remember reading about some GOB leak or something and some girl mentioning how a girl is making fake guy accounts for Lord only knows why. Oh my Gosh the freaking DRAMA on that site! This is why I avoid the GOB because although it is a bit entertaining to read as an outsider looking in, what is the point? There are a couple of girls who post fairly regularly who I think are super amazing and I wish they were here on SW but I don't think they are. I think that's another reason why I don't use MGF as much as I could, because even the GUYS are getting in on the drama! How many times have you been browsing profiles and guys are talking about other girls by name in their status and/or about me section? Exactly. I hate when guys try to chat with me but ony want to chat about other girls. What the hell, man? I just want to make my money and bounce.

Lord, I need a game plan to figure out how I can make more money on there once I am living with my boo again but it's like a little part of me is kicking and screaming, "I don't wanna!" like an insolent 3-year-old. I guess this is a good time for me to do some more work on my site and affiliate sales because I don't think MGF-land is for me :/

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 11:12 AM
Another helpful hint that I have done and wanted to pass along...

I know this may seem like work - but this is one of my most helpful things for me on MGF.

I keep three books with the following information:

1) A Simple Daily Planner from the Dollar General (Like the Assignment Planners) - How much I made that day, how long I was online, how many customers I had, total amount when I cashed out.
2) A Customer Log - I keep a 5 subject notebook, up to my second one - of different customers I have. Example - I try to sort them as best as I can...I have VIP packages, so obviously those people go under that category. I try to include how much the have contributed, what they like, don't like, customs I have done, when I delivered them, etc. Every detail that is imperative to keeping track. You know you have done that when guys chat you and you are like FUCK who is the guy because I don't remember... It's better than going through messages or chat history - it's a reference guide.
3) A Research Guide - I spent any amount of free time or dead time I have, researching this forum and the GOB sections. I have all of my notes set up in categories for fetishes and tips on how I can make that clip or set. It's a good reference guide once you get it built up. As you guys know, this place is a WEALTH of information along with the GOB and they don't even know that. It is about our experiences and I always feel feelings should be put aside. I know many girls are salty and say WHY should I share my information - let's be real, we all make the same types of vids/pix and it's just a turn of HOW we do it that makes us marketable... So, why not develop a guide for it? Instead of asking a guy what is something -flip the pages and there ya go!

It has taken me close to 6 months to get this system down pat. I suggest use pencil for the planner for mistakes... Different color pens to help you identify what is what. Things of that sort.

Even more so, like a schedule - let's be serious. Some of us have one, some of us do not. I am on MGF all day. I might not be near the PC but I am there. Then there are times you are just not there because you are sick of it. It can be as simple as putting HEY I am here with the date or fuck this place with the date LOL.

Also, I have noticed that putting up a particular goal - doesn't really work anymore for me. I put one up from time to time, like right now, it's for a new mattress...

I just suggest that you keep your GOALS as real as you can. None of this fake BS where you wanna go shopping. I mean let's think about it... BEGGING guys to pay a bill for you, knowing that he knows you keep that status up to get repeat help opposed to putting a goal on your page to help get meds or something - is better than spamming and begging. As I said, a particular type of spam works... Figure it out.

Intro Vids - Make one - and don't make it short. THESE guys want to get to know you and live in the fantasy. My dual intro set is 45 mins long - GUYS EAT IT UP! It also saves those retarded questions in a live chat... you know, the ANNOYING ONES!

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 11:22 AM
If you are who I think you are - you and I used to cheer each other on in the OLD GOB section late nights and early morning because there was no one else there... I used to send you guys who wanted to cam because I didn't. :)

LOL - believe me - you don't want those girls here - WHY? Because the more that find out - the more who come and think they KNOW IT ALL and bring issues. I am not saying by ANY means that I know it all. Sometimes I might come off that way and I apologize - but I am sharing what works for me, my experiences and how I know what I can do to make a difference. I never intend to insult someone unless I absolutely say it. My last account got banned here because I couldn't leave the BS at the door. I have since stopped letting girls get under my skin that way.

As far as the guys - I don't play it. I play absolutely stupid when that happens. There are a few of my close guys that I talked to about the leak issue and they were like WTF! FOR REAL? They were PISSED! Oh? I have seen guys praising their faves but I haven't seen any shit-talking on their pages.

I think we need to get a private chat room - away from here for us seasoned vet girls that are on SW and be able to discuss these things - but with a certain amount of trust and being able to not say who we are there if we don't want to. It is VERY hard for me to trust anyone outside of the public forum because I just try to help others and there's no reason to shit on my hustle because you're greedy!

Girl - couple content banks - you know that.

All I will tell you is this - HANG IN THERE. Try to keep business with your customers you have already dealt with. Treating THEM as they are special will work out for you. Just keep to yourself - market status deals and another thing - DO video blogs to the guys that have left you feedback.. I do that - :) and they LOVE IT! None of the other girls see it. :)

CourtneyRaine
12-06-2012, 11:32 AM
^ That is AMAZING advice! If I would thank your post again I would.

I also feel that keeping a notebook with earnings helps me tremendously, I've been doing that for my free chat sites but I never thought to have a book specifically to track MGF guys. On my live sites I am able to leave notes about anything from their name to their fetishes but I never bothered to keep track of MGF sales and conversations. I guess that's pobably why I don't have as much repeat business on there as I used to :) I am also used to guys in free chat coming to me rather than me seeking out sales so the hustle is very different for me. I am not sure how much of your advice I will implement in the long run only because I am trying to get away from MGF, I know it will never be my main source of income and I prefer it that way because I'd like to focus on my non-adult business. But, I think I will try your suggestions for a few months and see how it goes!

Also, I remember reading once that one of the established girls on there keeps an excel speadsheet of all of her customers and what day of the week/month they get paid so she could message them about new content when she knew they'd have money to spend. I thought that was genius!

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 12:04 PM
Ok Personal Experience time...

I started out on MFC, Skype, etc. It killed me to sit there and have to hustle when all the other girls were banging in open forum. I always used to direct guys to MGF but, I realized my potential was more if I could do it in a controlled environment like MGF. I have dedicated 100% of my time on MGF. I use to cam and I have stopped doing that. ON MFC and MGF, guys can record and leak, I am not down with it. I watermark my content and upload it. I occasionally do clothed shows, nothing more. It's come to the point I DO NOT TRUST guys at all and I will not. If I have been leaked, I don't wanna know. I try to take every precaution so I won't and I have been threatened with it from pissy guys as well.

Here is how I see it - those of you who do get leaked - it's probably your fault. You can prevent it. If you are banging yourself in open chat, it can happen. Don't freak out when it does - you made a crap ton while that show was going on right? If you don't wanna be leaked, don't cam. If you don't want your vids leaked, watermark your stuff. But, I look at it this way - Example - your stuff gets leaked. I wouldn't do that negative thing freakout PUBLICLY - instead I'd be like - HOW do ya like that? If ya wanna see more, GO here. That is a crappy thing but you can always turn the negative into the positive. That's free promotion. That's free advertising. Hell - I'd thank the guy for doing it for me... regardless - do your DCMA thing and call it a day. The more you show it bothers you, the more someone will do it. More often than not, it's a pissed off dude that has a grudge against the cam world. But you have to take the precautions too - YES it happens - but it's how you do something and react about it is KEY.

But let's be serious - this is porn and the cam world. You have to expect these things to happen. People are going to find out. People are going to judge you. YOU alone know you WHO are and shouldn't have to explain anything or your feelings about anything. Your loved ones, should accept it, they don't - their issue. My Mom has been a STRONG supporter since day one - hell she gives me some wicked ideas too. Don't let your fear of getting caught get in the way. You wanna wear wigs and that, go right ahead but when it comes out that you are faking who you are, it's gonna hurt. Guys may want the fantasy but they want YOU to be real - when have you seen a public FAKE cam girl that's been outted make ANYTHING? Now there's a fine line, you can totally be who you are with the lying hustle with it on MGF. If you know your shit, you know it can be done. Being real is something I pride myself on and guys LOVE it. But if you lie and hustle, keep your stories straight.

Yep - I kept that Excel Spreadsheet. On my old account here, I did alot of things to help out. I offered Mediafire software help for girls who needed it, making spreadsheets, etc. I stopped doing it because girls can be ungrateful and caddy, so there was no reason and I focused on myself and my money. Those are mistakes I learned from.

I am telling you Courtney, you have the ability to make BANK on MGF but you have got to stop letting the BS there bother you. The pricing, the guys who are assholes, the girls who undersell, everything. YOU are responsible for how you do there. YOU don't have to follow what those girls do - you only need to do what YOU want within their rules. It may take some time - but I am telling you - anyone who really buckles DOWN and goes with it, can really do it. This is why I do not mainstream cam. I have another income from MGF but MGF is MY MAIN camming income.. and it works. MGF is somewhere you can go for backup cash, so maybe just stick to a few fetishes. Something that you know will always be a HOT seller - that way shit will sell when you aren't there too. I keep to having a variety...


^ That is AMAZING advice! If I would thank your post again I would.

I also feel that keeping a notebook with earnings helps me tremendously, I've been doing that for my free chat sites but I never thought to have a book specifically to track MGF guys. On my live sites I am able to leave notes about anything from their name to their fetishes but I never bothered to keep track of MGF sales and conversations. I guess that's pobably why I don't have as much repeat business on there as I used to :) I am also used to guys in free chat coming to me rather than me seeking out sales so the hustle is very different for me. I am not sure how much of your advice I will implement in the long run only because I am trying to get away from MGF, I know it will never be my main source of income and I prefer it that way because I'd like to focus on my non-adult business. But, I think I will try your suggestions for a few months and see how it goes!

Also, I remember reading once that one of the established girls on there keeps an excel speadsheet of all of her customers and what day of the week/month they get paid so she could message them about new content when she knew they'd have money to spend. I thought that was genius!

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 12:15 PM
One of the girls in the How to make that Video thread just posted this site for fetish information...

If you guys can, check out that thread and see if there's anything you can give info on!

http://www.allaboutfetishes.com/

CourtneyRaine
12-06-2012, 12:16 PM
MissMafia, can I hire you as my own personal motivational speaker????

Wednesdays and Thursdays are always slow on my main sites so I only cam for a couple of hours. I was going to take the rest of the day off but now I'm tempted to go buy a notebook and log in to MGF for a few hours. I still don't wanna, but hey, if you are having success and you believe I can too then why not? Might as well try because even if I don't make a cent it' no less than I was planning on earning today, anyway.

And I think I know who you were on here!!!! Oh my gosh I hope I'm right :)

CarmenF
12-06-2012, 12:17 PM
thanks missmafia that is sweet :')

MissMafia
12-06-2012, 12:35 PM
LOL!!! Nooo - I am just here to offer my help love. That's all. :) As long as I do my part - that's all I care about.

I never want to come off like an asshole like many did to me when I started out.

LOL get loose leaf paper - I have a binder starting to form which was the plan to begin with. Then I just use the tabs to find what I want.

The table of contents is what's the bitch... just list what is where - don't bother with page numbers... :)

I'll message you and give you my yahoo - and we can talk.

CarmenF
12-06-2012, 01:43 PM
i use a diary too where i write EVERYTHING it is the best way to NOT forget what guys want and when i cash out.

MissMafia
12-07-2012, 09:47 AM
Morning ladies! How did you guys do last night?

TriXieBaby
12-08-2012, 03:21 PM
I'm still waiting for my account to be approved. I'm ecstatic to start though =]

MissMafia
12-08-2012, 03:23 PM
Be patient girl. You will do awesome.

Remember to take advantage of new girl status!! :)

This thread is amazing for tips :)

TriXieBaby
12-08-2012, 05:57 PM
Oh yeah love having that new girl status! ; )

CourtneyRaine
12-09-2012, 09:39 AM
I need to get my booty in gear. Good news: I went ot and bought a binder so I can start tracking a bit better! Bad news: I haven't actually used it yet; I've been fighting with my man for days and I'm so upset all I can do is lay around drinking malt liquor.

TriXieBaby
12-10-2012, 01:40 AM
Yay! My account is activated. I'm happy.

CarmenF
12-10-2012, 02:32 AM
CourtneyR are you guys fighting over camming and revenue :(??

MissMafia
12-10-2012, 04:49 AM
Don't get yourself into a rut girl! Stay strong. :)

My main problem is getting guys to be interested this weekend.. I'll push out content all I want - but it's becoming harder with the BS of some girls..

Just had a frustrating weekend with my migraine and making new stuff.

I guess sometimes I have my days too..

CarmenF
12-10-2012, 05:05 AM
MissMafia what works great for me is to make tons of content, remember who likes it and write it down, then when I made 2/3 new videos of it propose it to him. USually ends he buys a bundle saving 10/15$ but I still make 50/60$ and it happens with more than one guy. I have a huge ass so I get tons of guys askingme anal stuff!

MissMafia
12-10-2012, 05:24 AM
See I do that too - and still nothing - I guess I have hit a dry spell.

CarmenF
12-10-2012, 07:11 AM
Oh it often happens that nothing goes, but when it does it is worth it! :) But as I told a girl, when things are slow I go to the mall and film myself changing clothes, jeans, fingering, whatever. It is fun, something you'd do anyway and guys love the risk and voyeur involved!

CourtneyRaine
12-10-2012, 11:07 AM
CourtneyR are you guys fighting over camming and revenue :(??

No, we aren't fighting over camming and revenue, BUT he did have the audacity to throw it in my face the other night that I am showing myself off to strangers but I don't like it when he talks about other females he's fucked. He has known for over two years that I cam, in fact we have done a few couples shows and a video together but every time we argue he fights dirty and will bring up the fact that it is a double standard. I don't see it that way at all; I come on these sites to make money and it means nothing to me at all, whereas he goes on these sites to SPEND money and to make himself feel better when he is lonely. I feel like when he is lonely and down he should be coming to ME, not paying beautiful women for their company, especially as we are supposed to get married in a few months so aren't I supposed to be enough for him? I have terminated so many of my friendships in real life with guys out of respect for him, yet that is still not good enough for him. I actually have no problem with him watching porn At All, I just do not want him interacting with girls and that includes on cam sites. I know that for some guys they get very emotionally attached to cam models and he is the type of guy who has that type of personality, I just think it will cause more drama than it's worth.

Back on topic, I've made a non-nude intro video, sent it out to at least 30 guys, and have had 0 of them express interest. This morning I spent an hour chatting to a very nice guy about non-adult stuff and really thought we hit it off. Then he brought up the idea that he wants me to do a custom for him, we talked about it, I quoted him a price he was going along with it and then he just bounced. So frustrating. I was neglecting my free chat site to talk to him and while I would have been fine just chatting with him (it was enjoyable and it's cultivating a friendship) I feel a bit upset that he led me on about commissioning content just to disappear.

Did I price it too high? His request was anal gaping, which is actually something that I am NOT comfortable with doing but I would have done it anyway. For customs I ask for $4/min if it is something that I can re-sell, but if if is a custom where the guy wants me to say his name or otherwise doesn't want me to share the video with anyone else I ask double that. So, he wanted 5 minutes and for me to say his name repeatedly, so $40. Not for nothing but anal gaping is kind of extreme and considering that I couldn't re-sell that video I think it's a fair price. What do you girls think?

(And actually I might have been willing to negotiate with him because he was so nice and was talking about doing additional customs in the future, but rather than trying to negotiate politely he just bounced. Ugh.)

CarmenF
12-10-2012, 12:29 PM
what a douche.. i offer customs at 10$ per min so guys either stop asking or pay an insane price. as soon as we hit content button i tell him.happens all the time i hate (deleted) that are too cowatrds to say "no thank you, i wanna spend less, i am broke".... and about your guy the point is he is spending money and attentions on other girls.. you are making money and camming is never about finding anyone hot but having porn in background to survive clitdicks that turn on cams xD

CourtneyRaine
12-10-2012, 01:09 PM
I actually would NOT have had a problem if he would have said the price I quoted isn't in is budget, and in fact I would have been happy to try to work something out with him. But you are right, there are so many guys who just disappear rather than admitting that they don't want to spend your rates. And this guy knows that MGF is not my job, and that I was camming in free chat elsewhere while he and I were text chatting (of course I didn't name the site I was on). When he was saying I should loosen my ass up first before I make the video I was like dude, I am working right now. When we have agreed upon the specifics of this custom I will log out of my job immediately and make it for you, but I until we iron out exactly what it is you want I can't just leave my job. And he said he understood but clearly he didn't quite grasp the fact that not only would I be making him a video I could never re-sell to anyone else, but I'd actually have to leave work for an hour (enema to clean myself out, hair, make-up, editing and uploading, etc.) so I'd be losing out on potential income from my real job just to make him his custom in a timely fashion. The more I think of it, the more I think my rate is totally reasonable and if guys don't want to pay that's fine, they can get some pre-recorded content that is similar or at least have the guts to say "thanks but no thanks"!

/endrant

MissMafia
12-11-2012, 09:37 AM
Court - I understand the intro frustration.

I send mine out to at least 100+ a day and I might only get 10 that respond. Give it time - like novacaine - IT ALWAYS WORKS!

Also - I made several intro vids with different approaches to see which one worked the best..

and tell your dude to F himself. always look out for number 1 and unless he's 100% financially supporting you, he has ZERO SAY. Especially with the blameshifting, tell him to Fix his face.

MissMafia
12-11-2012, 09:39 AM
and Customs - I do that on a guy by guy basis...

If it's easy, it's easy money and I don't charge much. If it's something special, then a little higher.

Also, I don't know about you guys but when a guy comes to me and wants to talk and I say something he doesn't wanna hear or don't have something he isn't interested in, whatever the case he just bounces - I just leave a nice message, literally - and BLOCK them.

I may use this for work at times but I have the advantage to deal with who I want to. I don't have time for that nonsense. Court - when you are on, message me and I will do that page thing we talked about.

CarmenF
12-11-2012, 10:24 AM
i did one today 5 minutes for 20, great as can be easily resold and no nudity implied. if a guy wants a video i can easily resell no biggie like this, i am happy to take it as suggestion, otherwise he ll pay a fuck lot to want my recording time for him.

CourtneyRaine
12-11-2012, 10:49 AM
I send mine out to at least 100+ a day and I might only get 10 that respond. Give it time - like novacaine - IT ALWAYS WORKS!

Oh my gosh 100+ a day, you my dear are my new idol!