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MissMafia
12-11-2012, 01:08 PM
Reading these blogs are depressing. I swear it's the SAME thing over and over again.

I swear girls don't understand their inability to pay bills or creating a new sob story makes them appear irresponsible and wackjob status.

I don't understand it. I don't boast about what bills I need to pay - it's my responsibility... How is it hot to say, OMG my internet is gonna be shut off! Can you pay it so I can make more porn? Here's an idea - why don't you cut down on the shopping and boozing that you posted LAST week when you said you needed formula for your kid? Oh I am sorry, cat is outta the bag huh...

It also gets me when girls are like OMG it's my birthday for the 50th time this year or this person died or that person died... OR OMG Im stuck on the side of the road but I still have internet to try and get $...

Guys are getting smarter. They are not willing to deal with this stuff like they were back when MGF started. Girls need to get a clue because it's not hot being a beggar or spamming guys asking them to buy your content because you need food in your house. What you need the money for, keep it to yourself. Don't appear needy. It's a HUGE turn off.

Appearing sick all the time - well, guess what. REAL people who have REAL health issues don't sit around and post that crap. We deal with our issues and we don't broadcast it because we don't need the world feeling sorry for us. THOSE that do continue to blow it up - it's for pity and because you think it's gonna make you $. IT WILL NOT. Maybe short term for guilt in some guys, but it gets old. Also, if you are gonna post something about being sick or having a specific problem, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOUR problem before you go off about it - WHY? Because there's some people who probably have that same condition and will know you are full of shit. One of my main reasons for this rant. It's ridiculous and I think it's insulting that girls go THAT far to post about those things.

Whatever happened to being honest and trustworthy... apparently, knowing and perfecting your hustle isn't what it is these days..

too many girls rip dudes off. They don't deliver on what they say. Too many girls are being assholes to dudes that won't buy their stuff. Too many girls are spamming the WRONG thing. Too many girls are too quick to talk shit on the next girl ONLY because she is doing better than they are. I respect EACH girls hustle but I don't respect someone who has to make up a HUGE story with a HUGE lie for attention and the need for money.

You don't get paid to look hot and fuck yourself. You get paid because you are good sales person and know your customers.

END Rant - and Im furious about many of these things.

CarmenF
12-11-2012, 02:38 PM
I think that some people may have real problems but if I was a waitress I would never ask tips to my customers saying all my sob stories. It is private stuff. Sometimes I may tell my regulars that I have extra expenses but I truly never do because the more cheerful I am the more money I make. I can tell guys "I'm about to cash out, since you wanted something here is your occasion to buy more things for less" but neeever ever pressing them. But that's me and I don't care much about others. I hate when guys rant about other girls ripping them off, it's none of my effin business who they give their money to. Anyway MGF staff is starting to be more serious about it if only guys would report girls!!!

CourtneyRaine
12-11-2012, 02:43 PM
http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=2300673&t=o (http://gifsoup.com/view/2300673/janet-clapping.html) GIFSoup (http://gifsoup.com/)

YES!

If I was a guy, and I know this sounds kind of backwards but, I would rather spend money on a girl who's not begging than a girl who is, all other things being equal. If a girl is constantly putting it out there that she can never pay her bills and basic necessities on time, you know how that will be received? That she is not good at handling her money, she's there for $ but doesn't necessarily enjoy the site, and that next month it will just be the same thing, and the next month, and the next month after that. I don't think these guys want to perpetually be someone's sole source of income, it's a huge burden on them.

Just last night my guy and I were talking (we're not fighting anymore, yay!) and he was saying how he stopped visiting cam sites months ago not only because I asked him to, but because the girls were, for the most part, annoying. He was known as a generous spender who didn't ask for more than conversation so he would get bombarded with PMs from girls he had never even talked to as soon as he'd log in. He also told me that he would often tip girls because he was SORRY for them, girls who were pregnant and saying they didn't have rent money or food or anything. They gave nothing back to him other than more sob stories. So, he quickly came to his senses that he was wasting his time and money and rather than continually being taken advantage of he'd spend is time and money on other things that actually give him pleasure. He was not on MGF but I'm sure he' be even more turned off if he was, as MGF is really the only cam site I know of that encourages meaningful friendships. Trust me ladies, guys do not think the sob stories are cute! They are a turn OFF. I thought we all know that but I guess not.

And yeah, the lying? Come one now, if you're going to lie then at least lie correctly and consistently. Or how about this: do what most of us do and just don't lie at all? What a concept!

CarmenF
12-11-2012, 03:00 PM
Funy thing is guys come to MGF to run from nagging wives, gfs, mums... And if they find nagging girls it's more business for me ahah kidding just saying it for the new girls who read on here.

MissMafia
12-11-2012, 06:54 PM
http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=2300673&t=o (http://gifsoup.com/view/2300673/janet-clapping.html) GIFSoup (http://gifsoup.com/)

YES!

If I was a guy, and I know this sounds kind of backwards but, I would rather spend money on a girl who's not begging than a girl who is, all other things being equal. If a girl is constantly putting it out there that she can never pay her bills and basic necessities on time, you know how that will be received? That she is not good at handling her money, she's there for $ but doesn't necessarily enjoy the site, and that next month it will just be the same thing, and the next month, and the next month after that. I don't think these guys want to perpetually be someone's sole source of income, it's a huge burden on them.

Just last night my guy and I were talking (we're not fighting anymore, yay!) and he was saying how he stopped visiting cam sites months ago not only because I asked him to, but because the girls were, for the most part, annoying. He was known as a generous spender who didn't ask for more than conversation so he would get bombarded with PMs from girls he had never even talked to as soon as he'd log in. He also told me that he would often tip girls because he was SORRY for them, girls who were pregnant and saying they didn't have rent money or food or anything. They gave nothing back to him other than more sob stories. So, he quickly came to his senses that he was wasting his time and money and rather than continually being taken advantage of he'd spend is time and money on other things that actually give him pleasure. He was not on MGF but I'm sure he' be even more turned off if he was, as MGF is really the only cam site I know of that encourages meaningful friendships. Trust me ladies, guys do not think the sob stories are cute! They are a turn OFF. I thought we all know that but I guess not.

And yeah, the lying? Come one now, if you're going to lie then at least lie correctly and consistently. Or how about this: do what most of us do and just don't lie at all? What a concept!

Like I was telling you earlier in PM - nothing pisses me off more. This is why I just keep to myself. My ass is on fire over certain aspects.

gingerstripper
12-11-2012, 07:12 PM
This is why in my in my blog I shall post. My pussy taste like pepsi cola :) that is all folks

CarmenF
12-12-2012, 02:49 AM
wooohoooo level uppp :)

Jaana
12-12-2012, 02:51 AM
I have $3 in my fund, and I need $140 by Saturday in order to get my bus pass for the next month and finish my Christmas shopping. ugh ugh ugh.

CarmenF
12-12-2012, 04:00 AM
jaana did you enter the contest where he buys a video and bestone wins? you also win his other contest by telling other girls, you can easily make a resellable 5minute video and get paid in escrow. i did it.

Jaana
12-12-2012, 04:01 AM
jaana did you enter the contest where he buys a video and bestone wins? you also win his other contest by telling other girls, you can easily make a resellable 5minute video and get paid in escrow. i did it.PM me which contenest it is.

CourtneyRaine
12-13-2012, 10:29 AM
I would just like to thank all of the amazing ladies here who have contributed such great advice to this thread. I've implemented many of the ideas I've read here and yesterday was my highest earning day on MGF since August. And the best part is, I never even had to take my panties off to do it. Y'all are the best!

MissMafia
12-13-2012, 11:05 AM
Good job Court! :) I hope everyone is having a good time there - I am still in a dry spell!

CourtneyRaine
12-13-2012, 12:01 PM
I just logged in to my first unexpected overnight contribution since... last month? October? Only $59 from leveling up, bb!

Know how I always say that I have a very love/hate relationship with MGF? You ladies are making me love it again.

I am so curious about how many girls us it as their main or even only site. I know that some do, but I'm curious what that equates to percentage wise. I don't think I could ever use it as my main site but I feel like even after 1.5 years there I am only now finally starting to unlock the secrets so maybe I will change my mind. It's definitely a lot less stressful than free chat sites, but on the flip side free chat is far more predictable for me as far as earnings.

So do you ladies find yourselves messaging every guy you can, or do you screen them by their profile before you decide to? In addition to not messaging guys who've had an account for years but have no feedback, I also find myself not messaging guys if our interests seem too different. I wonder if I am just being too selective. It's just that nothing annoys me more than chatting or messaging with a guy who is absolutely boring. I am not sure if this is the right strategy or not, or if I should just suck it up and fake it by agreeing to talk with guys I don't actually like very much?

MissMafia
12-13-2012, 01:39 PM
Our biggest contender with MGF is the amount of girls there these days. Granted, as many girls that join as as many that fall off every day.
MANY girls use that as their sole income. I use it as my main site because I can do whatever I want and I have the ability to do more outside of the box.
I can talk to who I want - and do what I want...

I don't have to deal with STAND UP BB or SHOW ASS BB.. I effin hate that.

I typically message them if they have feedback and I check by the date they joined to see how active they are. If they don't have that or super 2 year old feedback, I do not bother as they are probably just creepers. DO NOT TRY to be so selective. Even if you aren't interested in what they are, try to find something to relate on CONTENT wise...

Wait for the conversation if one comes, they find your doorway in to nail the sale.

CarmenF
12-13-2012, 02:14 PM
i use it as my only income and when i put real effort i make as much as other camsites i read here. i have elm but not sure if use it or not yet made 2 credits there xD i message everyone but i never hide my interests or lie to make them happy... not because i am miss correct but keeping up with lies is a huge work. i am coming out with some that migght be new best sellers for me (daddy rp, brother rp... i love them!kinky jerk instructions, anal play..) and since i found what guys want from me i m hitting that nail, along with all the rest. i tried panty stuffing too. how hard is it? i completely lubed a slick fabric thong then stuffed kitty with liters of lube... i got in the fabric part but not the T string part! crazy!! anyone done panty stuffing?

MissMafia
12-13-2012, 02:49 PM
LOL we all lie in the cam world... doesn't matter about what.
WE either neglect to say something, fabricate it or say nothing else. lol.

I've done it = if it makes $ and I am comfy, I do it.

MissMafia
12-13-2012, 02:57 PM
I am considering making a MGF Ultimate Guide for myself - but also, for the MGF girls.

This is just a thought at the moment - but this is something I wanted to do for awhile.

I was even considering re-launching my mediafire account to put out software and that kinda things for you guys...

ONLY MGF ladies - and making a group for it. I would need someone's help for verification... being that I would think I would want access to your page on MGF - just to see it, pubicly with your verification sign on your default to get it. I would also require you have at least 10 feedbacks there.

Ultimate guide wise - it would just be my opinions, my advice and things I know have worked.

Would these things be something you guys are interested in? I want to keep it the group rather small and to MGF girls as I said - just because...

But as I said, I would do the MF for software and such for your guys and put the guides on there... I was thinking about charging for it and publishing it for girls. LOL jk - it wouldnt be fair. :)

MissMafia
12-13-2012, 02:59 PM
BTW - just posted a new blog over on MGF which is something I don't do often. If ya wana take a gander :)

JustineSexton
12-13-2012, 04:55 PM
I am considering making a MGF Ultimate Guide for myself - but also, for the MGF girls.

This is just a thought at the moment - but this is something I wanted to do for awhile.

I was even considering re-launching my mediafire account to put out software and that kinda things for you guys...

ONLY MGF ladies - and making a group for it. I would need someone's help for verification... being that I would think I would want access to your page on MGF - just to see it, pubicly with your verification sign on your default to get it. I would also require you have at least 10 feedbacks there.

Ultimate guide wise - it would just be my opinions, my advice and things I know have worked.

Would these things be something you guys are interested in? I want to keep it the group rather small and to MGF girls as I said - just because...

But as I said, I would do the MF for software and such for your guys and put the guides on there... I was thinking about charging for it and publishing it for girls. LOL jk - it wouldnt be fair. :)

I think it would be an interesting group.. MGF has always escaped me. The best I was able to average was around $600/week there, and that just didn't cut it as I had to do it nearly full time to get that. Albeit, you can choose to talk to whom you want, but so many guys there want to jab for an hour and then they might throw $5 your way. That site is mentally tiring for me.. :(

CarmenF
12-13-2012, 05:23 PM
i tell those guys that my time is money... freeloaders get angry... honest ones might get pissy but they understand and come back with money :)

CourtneyRaine
12-13-2012, 07:49 PM
As far as lying, I never make up stories about things that have not happened just to make myself look cool or needy or whatever. I think it's just dumb and it is hard to keep up with. But, there are definitely things that I do not disclose. I guess that's the difference between sins of commission and sins of omission? I guess it's like, if a guy asked, "If it wasn't against site rules would you ever meet me in real life?" In my head I am thinking, "Fuck no, I am getting married to the love of my life in three months, my man is my everything and I would NEVER meet another guy, especially not a creepre I met on a sex site!" But my fingers, they type, "You are very sweet, but we're not allowed to talk about things like that on here. So what are your plans for this coming weekend? :)" If that makes me a liar then that is okay with me. What I WON'T do is respons with something like, "Oh sure, I am single and I need a man, I wish we could fall in love and get married some day but I can't travel to your state until I can raise the airfare on here. Will you send me a contribution towards that?" I know that sounds ridiculous but I am IRL friends with a guy who was contributing to a girl on MGF who pretty much said just that. So I guess maybe there are different degrees of lying?

And MissMafia, you KNOW I'd be down for you group, and I'd also be willing to help with verification, just let me know what you have in mind and how I can assist.

MissMafia
12-14-2012, 04:01 PM
LOL We all lie in this business in some way or another.

Minxnymph
12-15-2012, 01:02 PM
Hey hey SW MGF ladies. I've been on MGF (as NympheanMinx) since august and really enjoying my time there.

I try to avoid the MGF forum because it seems like just a bunch of drama-llamas, but apparently a scammer has been going around trying to get content for free. Lo and behold, in between chats today I got a message from a customer named *blankblank2*. The dude's name was spelled just like a customer I already have and he claimed this:

"i was just wondering if you've come up with any AMAZING new off the record content since last we spoke :) I'm pretty sure I'd be interested in grabbing all of it!:)
(incase you're wondering...my computer crashed and I lost all my saved accounts...including email.. so i cant log back into my old MGF account!)"

Which is clearly a load of crap because the original "blankblank" just signed in to his real account earlier. Apparently dude thinks that this way he can get free content. He's already scammed a few girls, luckily I didn't fall prey. I sent him an email explaining how fucked up his actions are and I wanted to extend a heads up to anyone here on SW else who may be avoiding the mgf forum and also missed this memo.

By the way Hi and sorry for lurking so much

CourtneyRaine
12-15-2012, 03:40 PM
^I've also come across a similar scam, not recently though. A couple of guys were trying to chat me up and claim that they used to be a member but made a new account and lost all of my videos so could I please re-send them? Of course they could never provide their "old member name" so I never fell for it. It seems guys are starting to get a little clever, but not clever enough!

MissMafia
12-15-2012, 07:53 PM
Yeah that's a recent scam..It's been talked about in the girls forum.

even if you avoid it - check it once in awhile for these type of things.

Court - got your email. I put the group together here but I wanna get some more people on board before hand plus get some things drawn up first. :)

I'll get to your email before the weekend is over - maybe Monday xox

CarmenF
12-16-2012, 07:12 PM
The forum is good if you take the good part of it. Some really fun stuff, not as much as here because we get less crazy stuff than normal cam customers but it is worth looking for tips and stuff :)

MissMafia
12-17-2012, 06:16 PM
LOL That forum isn't good. Unless you qualify biting each others' heads off, undermining or making people feel like crap, girls that play know it all and the rest of the crap in their entitled as good... lol.

I go there for site updates and to glance at threads for my own MGF protection, hence the scams some guys are doing, that's it. I partook in one of two threads one time and I got made to feel like shit for whatever I said...

I also don't think it's far that all these MGF legends get their own page for so called helping others when I have never even heard anyone talk about them but the girls... Ive asked every guy that's had an issue and many have said that page never answers them and neither does admin anymore... IDK what's going on lately but many guys are pissed off at A LOT of different things.

LilRedRidinGood
12-17-2012, 10:48 PM
my sitter recently had a guy message her saying he couldn't get into his account and so he made a new one and wanted the content she'd sent him previously. She sent it :( then saw original guy online and jumped his case. He had no idea what she was talking about. Yep, dude creeped her feedback. Got her good!
Oh and, honestly like me and Jaana saying MGF is so dry for us and other say they are doing great. Im really happy for you who are because if you read the offers it speaks for itself. Way too many girls offering all content for $10. Times are bad.

MissMafia
12-19-2012, 01:50 PM
As I have said before... we have no right to judge anyone with what they are offering their content for whatever price... Every girl has the right to set her own prices and do whatever content she feels comfortable with and more so, sell to who they want.

However, keep this in mind - I speak from what my customers have told me and the things that been going on lately. I am speaking strictly from what I have heard... so I am just trying to be the devils' advocate as well as try to relate to where the problems are.

1. All Content Deals that are $20 and under = Many times more often than not, this girl in particular has shitty content. How do I know? Because I have been told this. Many of these girls use their cell phones, low MP cams, and have grainy that they are saying is their content. Also, many of these girls do not have a lot of content as opposed to my 79 vids and 26 pix sets equaling over 10 hours or more. These are the girls that are looking for the "Mr. Wallet of right now." I understand that is frustrates MANY of you - but you have to take the time to set yourself apart from that. It may not work right away - it might not work in a week - but mark my words if you find your niche and roll with it, it will work. You have to prove that your content is better than the last girls and why the guy should buy from you - let's face it, we are ALL each other's avid competition. I may sell all my content for $75 but I am almost at 90% within the two year mark because of HOW I have presented my content and the quality it is. Quantity of content matters sometimes, but guys want to live that fantasy with you instead of trying to beat their dick to something they have to guess their watching.

2. The girls who fall for scams - I don't really feel sorry for, for a few reasons. They have to learn to read forums like this, even the dreadful GOD forum called the GOB/Girls forum on MGF and take the time to check the guys feedback AND page when someone hits them up. Even if the forums whether here or there are filled with BS or drama from time to time, you can still pick out the tips and advice. You just have to not allow yourself to get in the middle of the drama. For example, if there is something you aren't clear on you read in the GOB forum or blog, I'd advise you to ask here more so than there. In this thread that's ONLY dedicated to MGF, you would sooner get a more helpful response than get your head bitten off. When a guy chats me, the FIRST thing I go to is his page in the whole "hey, how are you?" opening lines of the chat itself. I look at how many feedbacks he has, what the feedbacks say to give me an indication of how he is - this is a important part of reading people - and more so, when he signed up, when he logged on, etc. If he signed up TODAY or YESTERDAY and has a profile that is hardly filled out, without feedback, and is NOT a premium member, that's a red flag... Let's be serious - 9 times outta 10 guys aren't spending things if they don't have that membership. However, THERE ARE GUYS WHO DO NOT HAVE A PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP that do get content and deal with girls. They primarily stick to messaging and ask you to chat them - but they are around. Some guys who buy things, premium member or not, still do buy things. So you have to use your best judgement when looking at their page. Don't be afraid to ask them questions either about why they haven't filled out their page or how the girls are treating them on MGF - you would be surprised on the things that they will say to figure out if they are full of shit or not. You cannot just rely on the page and the conversation - rely on your gut... Bottom line - are you willing to sacrifice your PERFECT or NEAR PERFECT rating for one asshat that could ruin what you have built for YOUR business on MGF? It only takes ONE guy to be an asshole. Just because you need money that badly, don't make yourself that desperate because you DO NOT have to sell to every guy that comes asking for it. You DO have that option - I have turned away many guys because I felt they were shady. I have no qualms about using that block button either for it. I chat for free and I make TONS more than the girls that charge for it, simply because those guys know, I can hang out and let them figure out what they wanna do instead of pressuring to do so. If a girl gets ripped off for her content, especially since it's been posted here and on the MGF forums, I don't feel bad for her because she had the resources that she just neglected to take advantage of. NO matter what job you are doing, online or offline, there is ALWAYS a wealth of information on the web pertaining to that job you are doing. Do your homework.

3, Times are also hard on MGF due to the influx of girls that are there. The amount of girls has quadrupled in the last 1.5 years of MGF's existence. The ratio per girls to guy, is insane. There are tons of more girls and it takes guys twice as long to figure out what or who they want. When you send that private message, MAKE SURE you stand out. MAKE sure he reads your message and gets in touch. Another reason guys aren't willingly talking to girls is because of the mass amounts of FREE content they are getting in their inbox without even talking to the girl and she's just hoping it gives them the temptation to buy. It's also because the guy just wants to hang out and get away from his wife, and in the first 5 minutes they are getting hammered to buy content. Time may be money - but I guarantee you would make a lot more if you didn't make that so damn important at times. I understand some girls use it as their sole source of income, but there are only so many amounts of guys that understand that and are WILLING to deal with that sort of attitude. If that works for you, be my guest. In my experience and because I do a ton of free chatting - I hear the reasons guys will not or refuse to buy content or deal with a certain types of girls because of it. Here's an example - there was a guy that was a top VIP of mine that left the site recently. After talking to him for about a week when he bought my VIP package within a few days, he bought it because of how I presented myself and my attitude. He messaged me a week later and told me that he had gotten a girlfriend and to not send him anymore content. Man, did I respect the hell out of him for that - instead, I wished him well and asked him how things were going in a few messages. He was more than happy with that. However, the next couple days after, he sent me his last paid message and told me he was leaving because he had told EVERY girl that he had bought from, (pretty much cruised EVERY profile and blocked all the girls on MGF he didn't ever wanna deal with) because these girls KEPT sending him content strictly after he kindly asked for them not to. He even put it on his page that he DID NOT WANT CONTENT and that if he did, he would say so.... He spent close to 5k within in the month that he was on MGF - and I was very SORRY to see that kind of guy leave because of girls who do not pay attention, read pages and have no respect for what a guy wants just because they want their wallets.

4. Camming. Not enough girls cam anymore from what I understand. Guys who are coming from the bigger box cam sites like MFC, SM, etc, are looking for the intimate 1-on-1 experience instead of them having to fight for your attention the large rooms full of freeloaders. Do you have any idea what it makes the guy feel like when you let them know you, in a sense, personally? That makes them feel SO SO SO special and they are willing to open up that wallet so much easier! I have made MORE from clothed cam shows/topless cam shows with the guy just getting to know me and being playful without hardcore dirty talk in a sense, rather than getting full out naked with a dildo shoved in my ass. Granted, I don't cam anymore because of the huge influx of guys posting those shows elsewhere... but when I did, I raked it. Not to mention I just don't have the tolerance or time for it anymore. Another big reason guys are getting pissed is when he pays for the show upfront, then girl disconnects and says "I'm having cam issues, can we do this another time??" or whatever reason they give whether it be their kids or what not. Then the guy hears the excuses over and over for the next week about how you can't do it every time he contacts you... then a month goes by and the show still hasn't happened. The moral thing to do would be to send his money back to him because in reality you have just stolen his money. Things DO happen, but you should make up for it if something happens if that show doesn't take place. That goes with content too - if a guy contributes to you and you take a week to send him content - then don't bitch when you get bad feedback and he doesn't want to deal with you. Guys should not have to chase girls that have paid for content or shows already - you should be more than happy to get it done as soon as possible if not at that time it's done. If you can't deliver the content or do the show, give the guy his money back and he will respect you more in the long run for being honest and at the very least professional about it. Not sending his money back when you can't hold up your end of the deal makes you look really bad. I can only be sure guys talk to each other in some way or another about who does what. There is no reason to lie to your customers, take their money and hope they don't say anything. That's like, going into the store, buying groceries and not being able to take them home to eat them.

In conclusion, you all have to do what's best for you in what you think works... The site isn't so much dead at the moment in general but it's dead for a particular type of girls these days. I hit a dry spell for 5 days but it recently picked up for me... Granted, I keep to myself and post nowhere but my page or my status... but some girls are going to find themselves in a world of hurt for not paying attention and getting screwed, not delivering on the promises they have made to guys, and more so, letting their greedy need for money and the begging for it, drive guys away from you. Like I said, I get it, but there are 100 million different ways to do you - but this is just what I have heard from a guys POV.

Bottom line - the guys are starting to revolt. They are smarter. They are getting more picky. They are getting more in-depth on MGF. They are refusing to deal with certain girls BS. C'mon - how many guys have to seen these days on their profiles stating you will have to preview your content before they buy because of the amounts of grainy content including vids that are too far away to see anything that's going on? The guys are getting tired of certain things and this is only going to get worse... and the only thing that can change that are the girls and their content on MGF.

xo - I hope you guys take as much from this thread as I do. I have learned a lot as much as I have tailored my own practices to what I have read that doesn't work, proved that it doesn't work, and changed for the better on your business. Everything we do affects our camming career in one way or another.

CarmenF
12-19-2012, 02:32 PM
Yes I agree SOOO MUCH. I spent hundreds for me camcorder and all my tripods, I spend hours converting videos to save quality and who doesn't get cam errors??? But the best we can do is return money. I am happy that guys want to get a preview of quality but I made it a clip with short seconds of many videos, a bit sexy too, so guys can pay a dollar for it. My content has good quality and I'll never give a preview for free, although I'm thinking of doing a video just showing my arm waving and talking like "Test test is this working" so that can be my free preview.
I don't understand why guys don't contact support when stuff like that happens, and I hate when instead of doing something they'd rather vent with me 0.o contact support! get those frigging money back! I got in trouble at the beginning because of a misunderstanding with a guy and my account went unverified for 4 days and I was told to give guy what I owed him or sort out something. Support forced me and now they enforced this saying you cannot steal money from guys.

And I think that the posts here are much more useful because on GOB or mgf forums there are mostly girls that have only been there or starting out, while here there are veterans of the WHOLE camming world.

CourtneyRaine
12-19-2012, 06:02 PM
^ See the problem with that is, unless a girl is advertising her content as high quality and it isn't, how can the guy demand his money back as long as she delivers what she promised? I don't think it's right to not mention that it's cell phone quality or whatever but if a guy is getting 90+ videos for $10, what does he expect? Before I got my Logitec C910 my previous cam was just regular quality. I clearly differentiate on my profile which videos are HD and which are older and are not- even though I have NEVER had a guy complain about the quality of my non-HD content because I made sure my lighting was on point. I guess my point is, if a guy is getting ridiculously cheap content in bulk he really has no right to complain about quality UNLESS the girl he purchased from lied about the quality just to get his money, in which case yeah I think he should be refunded. If not? I mean what is he going to say? "Hey support! I gave that chick $5 for 10 hours of content but now I feel cheated because it was shot with her iphone and not a camcorder"?

So in other news, I am really confused because for the second time this month, someone told me that they are not interested in me for the stupidest reason and I... don't get it. I mean I get that maybe they don't find me attractive or they only want to spend on certain girls, that is actually totally fine and doesn't upset me. I get that not everyone is going to think I am their type. Usually those guys just ignore my messages or chat requests. What I don't get is, why make up a dumb reason to not be interested in me? And then spend $1 to tell me this silly reason? If a guy really wants to be kind and acknowledge me he can always say that he already has some great friends on MGF and is only interested in contributing to those girls. I have actually had a couple of guys tell me that and I respect their dipolomacy 100%. Why spend $1 to lie like the guy from last week and tell me you don't like cat people??? Now today I just got a message back from a guy who said thanks for reaching out to him but he's only interested in girls with solo content. I had to read that message four times to make sure I was reading correctly. I have almost 30 videos listed along with a bunch of non-listed videos (I do list what the fetishes are, though). Know how many videos out of those are boy/girl? One. I have one and only one b/g bj video, everything else is solo so make me understand this??? I have dozens of solo videos but he only wants solo content???? *facepalm*

LilRedRidinGood
12-19-2012, 06:08 PM
and as I've said before...
here's a little metaphor for you Miss Mafia that maybe you'll understand.

If you go to 15 gas stations and the price of a soda is $1.25 at 14 gas stations but $0.01 at 1 gas station, it knocks the average expected price of a soda down WAY below average market. That means that when a consumer encounters a soda at fair market price HE thinks it is way too pricey so basically you have one vendor fucking over the rest of the vendors profit margin. Comprende?

We are not setting the bar on an island here, cam girls have to take into consideration that what we do is like a butterfly effect, it affects the entire cam world ECONOMY.

Also, I don't see how more girls is a bad thing. No other girl is 'stealing' your money. Where there are guys who spend, there is variety...fabulous! We all get a piece. Too few girls makes a man what to seek out more variety. Do you think that grocery stores that have the most selection and produce make less money? No. They make the most...on every single item offered.



As I have said before... we have no right to judge anyone with what they are offering their content for whatever price... Every girl has the right to set her own prices and do whatever content she feels comfortable with and more so, sell to who they want.

However, keep this in mind - I speak from what my customers have told me and the things that been going on lately. I am speaking strictly from what I have heard... so I am just trying to be the devils' advocate as well as try to relate to where the problems are.

1. All Content Deals that are $20 and under = Many times more often than not, this girl in particular has shitty content. How do I know? Because I have been told this. Many of these girls use their cell phones, low MP cams, and have grainy that they are saying is their content. Also, many of these girls do not have a lot of content as opposed to my 79 vids and 26 pix sets equaling over 10 hours or more. These are the girls that are looking for the "Mr. Wallet of right now." I understand that is frustrates MANY of you - but you have to take the time to set yourself apart from that. It may not work right away - it might not work in a week - but mark my words if you find your niche and roll with it, it will work. You have to prove that your content is better than the last girls and why the guy should buy from you - let's face it, we are ALL each other's avid competition. I may sell all my content for $75 but I am almost at 90% within the two year mark because of HOW I have presented my content and the quality it is. Quantity of content matters sometimes, but guys want to live that fantasy with you instead of trying to beat their dick to something they have to guess their watching.

2. The girls who fall for scams - I don't really feel sorry for, for a few reasons. They have to learn to read forums like this, even the dreadful GOD forum called the GOB/Girls forum on MGF and take the time to check the guys feedback AND page when someone hits them up. Even if the forums whether here or there are filled with BS or drama from time to time, you can still pick out the tips and advice. You just have to not allow yourself to get in the middle of the drama. For example, if there is something you aren't clear on you read in the GOB forum or blog, I'd advise you to ask here more so than there. In this thread that's ONLY dedicated to MGF, you would sooner get a more helpful response than get your head bitten off. When a guy chats me, the FIRST thing I go to is his page in the whole "hey, how are you?" opening lines of the chat itself. I look at how many feedbacks he has, what the feedbacks say to give me an indication of how he is - this is a important part of reading people - and more so, when he signed up, when he logged on, etc. If he signed up TODAY or YESTERDAY and has a profile that is hardly filled out, without feedback, and is NOT a premium member, that's a red flag... Let's be serious - 9 times outta 10 guys aren't spending things if they don't have that membership. However, THERE ARE GUYS WHO DO NOT HAVE A PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP that do get content and deal with girls. They primarily stick to messaging and ask you to chat them - but they are around. Some guys who buy things, premium member or not, still do buy things. So you have to use your best judgement when looking at their page. Don't be afraid to ask them questions either about why they haven't filled out their page or how the girls are treating them on MGF - you would be surprised on the things that they will say to figure out if they are full of shit or not. You cannot just rely on the page and the conversation - rely on your gut... Bottom line - are you willing to sacrifice your PERFECT or NEAR PERFECT rating for one asshat that could ruin what you have built for YOUR business on MGF? It only takes ONE guy to be an asshole. Just because you need money that badly, don't make yourself that desperate because you DO NOT have to sell to every guy that comes asking for it. You DO have that option - I have turned away many guys because I felt they were shady. I have no qualms about using that block button either for it. I chat for free and I make TONS more than the girls that charge for it, simply because those guys know, I can hang out and let them figure out what they wanna do instead of pressuring to do so. If a girl gets ripped off for her content, especially since it's been posted here and on the MGF forums, I don't feel bad for her because she had the resources that she just neglected to take advantage of. NO matter what job you are doing, online or offline, there is ALWAYS a wealth of information on the web pertaining to that job you are doing. Do your homework.

3, Times are also hard on MGF due to the influx of girls that are there. The amount of girls has quadrupled in the last 1.5 years of MGF's existence. The ratio per girls to guy, is insane. There are tons of more girls and it takes guys twice as long to figure out what or who they want. When you send that private message, MAKE SURE you stand out. MAKE sure he reads your message and gets in touch. Another reason guys aren't willingly talking to girls is because of the mass amounts of FREE content they are getting in their inbox without even talking to the girl and she's just hoping it gives them the temptation to buy. It's also because the guy just wants to hang out and get away from his wife, and in the first 5 minutes they are getting hammered to buy content. Time may be money - but I guarantee you would make a lot more if you didn't make that so damn important at times. I understand some girls use it as their sole source of income, but there are only so many amounts of guys that understand that and are WILLING to deal with that sort of attitude. If that works for you, be my guest. In my experience and because I do a ton of free chatting - I hear the reasons guys will not or refuse to buy content or deal with a certain types of girls because of it. Here's an example - there was a guy that was a top VIP of mine that left the site recently. After talking to him for about a week when he bought my VIP package within a few days, he bought it because of how I presented myself and my attitude. He messaged me a week later and told me that he had gotten a girlfriend and to not send him anymore content. Man, did I respect the hell out of him for that - instead, I wished him well and asked him how things were going in a few messages. He was more than happy with that. However, the next couple days after, he sent me his last paid message and told me he was leaving because he had told EVERY girl that he had bought from, (pretty much cruised EVERY profile and blocked all the girls on MGF he didn't ever wanna deal with) because these girls KEPT sending him content strictly after he kindly asked for them not to. He even put it on his page that he DID NOT WANT CONTENT and that if he did, he would say so.... He spent close to 5k within in the month that he was on MGF - and I was very SORRY to see that kind of guy leave because of girls who do not pay attention, read pages and have no respect for what a guy wants just because they want their wallets.

4. Camming. Not enough girls cam anymore from what I understand. Guys who are coming from the bigger box cam sites like MFC, SM, etc, are looking for the intimate 1-on-1 experience instead of them having to fight for your attention the large rooms full of freeloaders. Do you have any idea what it makes the guy feel like when you let them know you, in a sense, personally? That makes them feel SO SO SO special and they are willing to open up that wallet so much easier! I have made MORE from clothed cam shows/topless cam shows with the guy just getting to know me and being playful without hardcore dirty talk in a sense, rather than getting full out naked with a dildo shoved in my ass. Granted, I don't cam anymore because of the huge influx of guys posting those shows elsewhere... but when I did, I raked it. Not to mention I just don't have the tolerance or time for it anymore. Another big reason guys are getting pissed is when he pays for the show upfront, then girl disconnects and says "I'm having cam issues, can we do this another time??" or whatever reason they give whether it be their kids or what not. Then the guy hears the excuses over and over for the next week about how you can't do it every time he contacts you... then a month goes by and the show still hasn't happened. The moral thing to do would be to send his money back to him because in reality you have just stolen his money. Things DO happen, but you should make up for it if something happens if that show doesn't take place. That goes with content too - if a guy contributes to you and you take a week to send him content - then don't bitch when you get bad feedback and he doesn't want to deal with you. Guys should not have to chase girls that have paid for content or shows already - you should be more than happy to get it done as soon as possible if not at that time it's done. If you can't deliver the content or do the show, give the guy his money back and he will respect you more in the long run for being honest and at the very least professional about it. Not sending his money back when you can't hold up your end of the deal makes you look really bad. I can only be sure guys talk to each other in some way or another about who does what. There is no reason to lie to your customers, take their money and hope they don't say anything. That's like, going into the store, buying groceries and not being able to take them home to eat them.

In conclusion, you all have to do what's best for you in what you think works... The site isn't so much dead at the moment in general but it's dead for a particular type of girls these days. I hit a dry spell for 5 days but it recently picked up for me... Granted, I keep to myself and post nowhere but my page or my status... but some girls are going to find themselves in a world of hurt for not paying attention and getting screwed, not delivering on the promises they have made to guys, and more so, letting their greedy need for money and the begging for it, drive guys away from you. Like I said, I get it, but there are 100 million different ways to do you - but this is just what I have heard from a guys POV.

Bottom line - the guys are starting to revolt. They are smarter. They are getting more picky. They are getting more in-depth on MGF. They are refusing to deal with certain girls BS. C'mon - how many guys have to seen these days on their profiles stating you will have to preview your content before they buy because of the amounts of grainy content including vids that are too far away to see anything that's going on? The guys are getting tired of certain things and this is only going to get worse... and the only thing that can change that are the girls and their content on MGF.

xo - I hope you guys take as much from this thread as I do. I have learned a lot as much as I have tailored my own practices to what I have read that doesn't work, proved that it doesn't work, and changed for the better on your business. Everything we do affects our camming career in one way or another.

CarmenF
12-19-2012, 06:13 PM
I won't go into the price issue again because I do not feel affected by it and I agree to disagree with you here, anyway you reminded I have to write on my "cheap" videos (20, 15, 10) that quality in some may not be the best because they were the first taken. I usually say it when chatting to guys and lately nobody buys those when I am offline but good reminder girls!

LilRedRidinGood
12-19-2012, 06:15 PM
agreed, I had some with no audio due to a settings glitch I sold for $5 because it was beneath me to even list them but that doesn't mean you universally sell yourself short.


I won't go into the price issue again because I do not feel affected by it and I agree to disagree with you here, anyway you reminded I have to write on my "cheap" videos (20, 15, 10) that quality in some may not be the best because they were the first taken. I usually say it when chatting to guys and lately nobody buys those when I am offline but good reminder girls!

CarmenF
12-19-2012, 06:23 PM
agreed, I had some with no audio due to a settings glitch I sold for $5 because it was beneath me to even list them but that doesn't mean you universally sell yourself short.
Yes I remove videos when I am tempted to price them too low :) But yeah my first secretary video is still quoted 20 because even though quality isn't best it really makes guys jizz in their pants and they kno wwhat they are buying. They are quite happy for 20 to get a hot video which quality speaking isn't as good as my latest ones but it is good anyway.

CourtneyRaine
12-19-2012, 06:31 PM
and as I've said before...
here's a little metaphor for you Miss Mafia that maybe you'll understand.

If you go to 15 gas stations and the price of a soda is $1.25 at 14 gas stations but $0.01 at 1 gas station, it knocks the average expected price of a soda down WAY below average market. That means that when a consumer encounters a soda at fair market price HE thinks it is way too pricey so basically you have one vendor fucking over the rest of the vendors profit margin. Comprende?

We are not setting the bar on an island here, cam girls have to take into consideration that what we do is like a butterfly effect, it affects the entire cam world ECONOMY.

Wow. Why are we getting so person, ladies? Come on now, we are all entitled to our different opinions. I agree that the cheaper content is expected the harder it is to sell it. To a point. *If* all you are doing is selling content then sure, your analogy makes sense. Miss Mafia has actually really opened my eyes about why it is so much more beneficial to offer more than just content and just by implementing some of the strategies she's shared in this thread I've already seen my income on MGF rise tremendously. In fact, just in the past 4 days I've made more on MGF than I used to make in an entire month on there. It's not enough to quit my day job yet but I'm seeing a huge difference. Really, reading this thread and actually changing how I was doing things is maing me more money. I was not utilizing MGF for its full potential and just chalked it up to it benig a bad site for me. Rather than continuing to sit and complain about it I actually looked at what I was doing wrong, fixed what I was doing wrong, and already I am starting to do better. That is the only way you're going to make money there or on any site. Complaining about how it's bad doesn't do anything. Figuring out why it's bad and then being willing to adapt your strategy does something.

To continue with your gas station analogy: Maybe all of the other gas stations charge a nickel for their soda, and I'm one of the only ones around that charges a buck. On the outside, to the customer who is *just* looking for a soda, why should they come to me? But now what if I tell you that not only do I sell that soda for a dollar but I also wash the customer's car, check their oil, and give their kid a complimentary candy? Oh yeah, and I also remember that customer by name and let him talk for a few minutes at the register about what's on his mind?

My point as it relates to MGF (if it's not obvious, but I think it is), if you are only offering content then cheap prices will force yours down. But if you are offering friendship, interaction, and genuine concern guys will still buy your "high priced" content because of YOU. Because at that point it's not about the cost, it's about genuinely making a connection and the guy wanting to help you as a person because he's stopped seeing you as nothing more than cheap fapping material. Within 3 days of my implementing this advice I finally got my first sale. Actually, that third day alone I made $95 in video sales plus about 20 paid messages. You know how many times I got naked that day? 0. You know how much fun I had? A lot, actually. One guy actually contributed $10 more than I asked- so $50 in total for a NON-nude video, because I took 20 minutes out of my day to chat with him about traveling and pets and other things he enjoys. Maybe now you'll see that personality goes a long way on that site, more than any other cam site I've ever been on, and if you have a good personality and know how to work it there's no need for you to have to lower your rates just because everyone else is.

CarmenF
12-19-2012, 06:42 PM
Wow. Why are we getting so person, ladies? Come on now, we are all entitled to our different opinions. I agree that the cheaper content is expected the harder it is to sell it. To a point. *If* all you are doing is selling content then sure, your analogy makes sense. Miss Mafia has actually really opened my eyes about why it is so much more beneficial to offer more than just content and just by implementing some of the strategies she's shared in this thread I've already seen my income on MGF rise tremendously. In fact, just in the past 4 days I've made more on MGF than I used to make in an entire month on there. It's not enough to quit my day job yet but I'm seeing a huge difference. Really, reading this thread and actually changing how I was doing things is maing me more money. I was not utilizing MGF for its full potential and just chalked it up to it benig a bad site for me. Rather than continuing to sit and complain about it I actually looked at what I was doing wrong, fixed what I was doing wrong, and already I am starting to do better. That is the only way you're going to make money there or on any site. Complaining about how it's bad doesn't do anything. Figuring out why it's bad and then being willing to adapt your strategy does something.

To continue with your gas station analogy: Maybe all of the other gas stations charge a nickel for their soda, and I'm one of the only ones around that charges a buck. On the outside, to the customer who is *just* looking for a soda, why should they come to me? But now what if I tell you that not only do I sell that soda for a dollar but I also wash the customer's car, check their oil, and give their kid a complimentary candy? Oh yeah, and I also remember that customer by name and let him talk for a few minutes at the register about what's on his mind?

My point as it relates to MGF (if it's not obvious, but I think it is), if you are only offering content then cheap prices will force yours down. But if you are offering friendship, interaction, and genuine concern guys will still buy your "high priced" content because of YOU. Because at that point it's not about the cost, it's about genuinely making a connection and the guy wanting to help you as a person because he's stopped seeing you as nothing more than cheap fapping material. Within 3 days of my implementing this advice I finally got my first sale. Actually, that third day alone I made $95 in video sales plus about 20 paid messages. You know how many times I got naked that day? 0. You know how much fun I had? A lot, actually. One guy actually contributed $10 more than I asked- so $50 in total for a NON-nude video, because I took 20 minutes out of my day to chat with him about traveling and pets and other things he enjoys. Maybe now you'll see that personality goes a long way on that site, more than any other cam site I've ever been on, and if you have a good personality and know how to work it there's no need for you to have to lower your rates just because everyone else is.

Yes and actually offering a whoooole service - being a human being is much less stressful than just sitting there hoping to sell videos. Everyone has their way of working but I don't think that MGF should be approached as C4S or ELM, but as a halfway between cam sites and content sites.

LilRedRidinGood
12-19-2012, 06:52 PM
true story. So, in retrospect...it's easier to just sell 125 videos for $1 than it is to actually put some effort into your interactions. I'm sorry, but I don't think this should be supported or encouraged by the masses. JMO


Wow. Why are we getting so person, ladies? Come on now, we are all entitled to our different opinions. I agree that the cheaper content is expected the harder it is to sell it. To a point. *If* all you are doing is selling content then sure, your analogy makes sense. Miss Mafia has actually really opened my eyes about why it is so much more beneficial to offer more than just content and just by implementing some of the strategies she's shared in this thread I've already seen my income on MGF rise tremendously. In fact, just in the past 4 days I've made more on MGF than I used to make in an entire month on there. It's not enough to quit my day job yet but I'm seeing a huge differencehttp://www.stripperweb.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2433810. Really, reading this thread and actually changing how I was doing things is maing me more money. I was not utilizing MGF for its full potential and just chalked it up to it benig a bad site for me. Rather than continuing to sit and complain about it I actually looked at what I was doing wrong, fixed what I was doing wrong, and already I am starting to do better. That is the only way you're going to make money there or on any site. Complaining about how it's bad doesn't do anything. Figuring out why it's bad and then being willing to adapt your strategy does something.

To continue with your gas station analogy: Maybe all of the other gas stations charge a nickel for their soda, and I'm one of the only ones around that charges a buck. On the outside, to the customer who is *just* looking for a soda, why should they come to me? But now what if I tell you that not only do I sell that soda for a dollar but I also wash the customer's car, check their oil, and give their kid a complimentary candy? Oh yeah, and I also remember that customer by name and let him talk for a few minutes at the register about what's on his mind?

My point as it relates to MGF (if it's not obvious, but I think it is), if you are only offering content then cheap prices will force yours down. But if you are offering friendship, interaction, and genuine concern guys will still buy your "high priced" content because of YOU. Because at that point it's not about the cost, it's about genuinely making a connection and the guy wanting to help you as a person because he's stopped seeing you as nothing more than cheap fapping material. Within 3 days of my implementing this advice I finally got my first sale. Actually, that third day alone I made $95 in video sales plus about 20 paid messages. You know how many times I got naked that day? 0. You know how much fun I had? A lot, actually. One guy actually contributed $10 more than I asked- so $50 in total for a NON-nude video, because I took 20 minutes out of my day to chat with him about traveling and pets and other things he enjoys. Maybe now you'll see that personality goes a long way on that site, more than any other cam site I've ever been on, and if you have a good personality and know how to work it there's no need for you to have to lower your rates just because everyone else is.

CarmenF
12-19-2012, 06:59 PM
honestly it s easier to be myself and sell all content for 400, than push people to buy a stranger s videos for 5

CourtneyRaine
12-19-2012, 07:36 PM
I'm not sure where I implied that it's easier to sell lots of videos for cheaper? Nor did I imply that it's easier to put some effort into your interactons. Maybe you misunderstood me. What comes easier to some may not come easier to others so it's not even my place to make that call. What I am saying is that you will make more money if you put effort into being friends with the guys. What I'm saying is that if you treat the guys with value and actually express an interest in them you will be able to command much higher prices on your content than girls who undersell. Girls have been saying this for months now- make friends first- and now that I am implementing this strategy guess what? It works. The guys who just want cheap content? They'll go to the any contribution for all content girls. The guys who want some actual attention and will pay high prices for it? They'll go to the girls who can cater to them. If a model is not willing to interact with guys then she will probably get pushed out unless she lowers her prices to be competitive. If a model is willing to interact with guys I believe she can still make money without lowering her prices, especially as so many guys are complaining that it's hard to find girls who actually want to talk to them as people. The cheap girls vs. the gfe type girls; there are two clear cut categories of females on this site and if you decide how you want to present yourself you won't have to worry about girls in the other category. The girlfriend experience (for lack of a better term) is why wealthy guys go to sites like MGF. It's about the connection and so many girls are not willing to cater to them. So there's the demand, now fill the demand, and you will profit.

CarmenF
12-20-2012, 02:31 AM
i agree so much. i really love mgf because if treated the right way it can be healing instead of giving you a burnout. i made some real friends on there.. people i am happy to talk to. and when you do that it is also easier to cam at higher rates.

CourtneyRaine
12-20-2012, 11:16 AM
There are only a handful of guys on GF I would really consider to be a friend but they are absolutely amaznig to me. Notonly do they volunteer to give me more than I am asking for with content and cam shows, but I actually really enjoy chatting with them just because. After a log day of "open tits bb" it is actually quite refreshing for me to chat with my MGF buddies. They are helping to restore my faith in cam custies. Well, at least the good ones, anyway.

CarmenF
12-20-2012, 01:40 PM
i am happy to read you are appreciating mgf again ^.^ a while back you asked if guys liked non white girls, did you find your answer?

MissMafia
12-20-2012, 04:07 PM
First and foremost, I always imply that girls have the right to sell their content on whatever they feel they want to. No matter what the masses are doing. It doesn't matter what those masses are doing - it matters what you are doing. Does your sole feedback rating depend on what everyone else does? It's not directly tied into everyone else does. It doesn't reflect on whatever the other girls prices' are. It is solely BASED on you and your personality on how the guy likes you and the content he bought from you. MGF is only based on selling content if YOU make it that way. Let me ask you this though - IF you really needed help, how many of those girls would drop everything to help YOU hit your goal? Do you think if you were almost homeless versus the next girl who needed to make money for whatever reason would take the time to help you out? I've seen girls help each other out with vids - I am talking about diverting ALL of their traffic to YOU so the guys would strictly buy your content. Do you really think those girls would help you out if you were down and out? They would tell you to stop crying and get to busting your ass - because we are ALL each others' competition, end of story. So you can think girls aren't spying on your page if you are popular because they will and they are. Girls do those things because as in many threads - girls are the biggest forms of backstabbing bitches there are... and that GOB/GOD forum proves that. Otherwise, girls here on SW in this thread wouldn't have such intimidation, harassment and such negative things to say coming out of that place.

Second, I have my own way of doing things as does every single girl on this forum. Girls in this particular thread are asking for advice, and since no one else was talking, I gave it to them. No harm in that. If a girl wants to take my suggestions and apply them, they do can do so at their own accord. I spoke from what I have heard from the customers I have dealt with in all over the past 6 months to a year and my personal experiences. I thought was very important to relay that information here - especially when girls have agreed with the majority of what I have said.

Lastly, regardless of what any girls' price is, is has NEVER affected my business because my way of doing things has proven solid for me. If girls feel the need to change their prices to compete - good for them but I don't have to. The point is - no matter what the prices are that the other girls have, as long as you do your thing, stay true to your prices, and what you are comfortable with - you will NOT have an issue with guys buying from you. Not once have low prices have any affect on me. Guys are more than willing to pay the price that I ask and for that fact, Carmen too - because she's usually on the Featured list. I don't use the same analogy over and over again with repetition to try to make people understand. I simply convey what I hear to the rest of the girls on the this thread offering them the advice that works for me and my clients. Courtney has already said it has worked for her - so as long as my advice hasn't deemed itself useless - I did my job and helped out a fellow cam girl. If it didn't work, then obviously you could call me full of it. The ONLY butterfly effect on MGF is girls stealing each others' ideas and trying to copy every other girl instead of just being themselves only to figure out what works for them. Don't think they aren't going to/already doing it to you - because either you just don't know or you haven't caught on yet. It's the nature of the beast - it's the same thing as on the bigger box sites where the cam girls watch other cam girls perform - except this, is a little bit worse with your customer base. Everyone has said, this business is entirely cutthroat so if girls aren't stealing your money - why is it they talk about you behind your back to customers? Make puns in the GOB/GOD forum? and things like that? It happens - it's your choice whether to take the steps to avoid that happening or dealing/paying attention to it.

If you want to take ideas you read on this forum, and apply it to your business, then I applaud you because I am not the only one with great advice in this thread or any thread here for that matter. But, if you want to do what every other girl on MGF is doing instead of setting yourself apart to have an advantage to make more? Then it's your loss when there's a wealth of information, advice and tips to kick you in the butt to help you out.

This is a very helpful thread to a very many ladies. If you want to be smart mouthed and try to pick a fight about a conversation that's been going on for the last 2 weeks without you, there's no reason to antagonize me and others with your reply to what I said about what I had heard and the advice I have given to these girls. I could be like many other girls on MGF and have the mentality of "Screw those bitches - they are on their own" but instead, I KNOW how hard it is there and I KNOW the diverse content that is making tons of more money that I do. Some girls will only sell a particular kind of content they are comfortable with. So when they come to this thread talking about how they are going to give up - you bet your bottom dollar that I will be the first to encourage them not to. The nature of the business no matter what site you are on is exhausting, can make your blood boil and can land you in a bad place in your head. There is no reason you cannot take ANY negative into a positive. There is no reason that you cannot do your homework to figure out what works for you instead of being a sheep to follow everyone else. A guy will remember you when you are different, not when you blend into the crowd. For the past two weeks it's been a matter of 3-5 people talking in this thread and no one else - and it's not like a spilled out BS or fake things about what's happening there...it's not like I ranted that girls needed to set their prices at this amount as the GOD forum does. I gave simple suggestions and they can be taken or left where they are.

Your reply was undermining and snarky. If you wanted me to clarify what I said instead of trying to pick a fight, you can just ask. I have done it plenty of times before... If you have something positive to say, I totally invite you to join in the conversation, but there's no reason to act like that with comments to explain things like I am 12 years old. However, there will be no fight or huge debate about the issues on the prices, analogies or the like.

In the very least I do not make these girls feel like crap when they ask questions and I reply about things even if they appear to be the stupid questions to some or the best questions. At least they don't feel like they are THIS big after walking out of here getting their head chewed off - I said what I heard and convey what works for me... because if it didn't it wouldn't make me any money. It may work for some, no one or many girls - but at least ONE girl, has tailored it to her ways of making $.

MissMafia
12-20-2012, 04:14 PM
^ See the problem with that is, unless a girl is advertising her content as high quality and it isn't, how can the guy demand his money back as long as she delivers what she promised? I don't think it's right to not mention that it's cell phone quality or whatever but if a guy is getting 90+ videos for $10, what does he expect? Before I got my Logitec C910 my previous cam was just regular quality. I clearly differentiate on my profile which videos are HD and which are older and are not- even though I have NEVER had a guy complain about the quality of my non-HD content because I made sure my lighting was on point. I guess my point is, if a guy is getting ridiculously cheap content in bulk he really has no right to complain about quality UNLESS the girl he purchased from lied about the quality just to get his money, in which case yeah I think he should be refunded. If not? I mean what is he going to say? "Hey support! I gave that chick $5 for 10 hours of content but now I feel cheated because it was shot with her iphone and not a camcorder"?

So in other news, I am really confused because for the second time this month, someone told me that they are not interested in me for the stupidest reason and I... don't get it. I mean I get that maybe they don't find me attractive or they only want to spend on certain girls, that is actually totally fine and doesn't upset me. I get that not everyone is going to think I am their type. Usually those guys just ignore my messages or chat requests. What I don't get is, why make up a dumb reason to not be interested in me? And then spend $1 to tell me this silly reason? If a guy really wants to be kind and acknowledge me he can always say that he already has some great friends on MGF and is only interested in contributing to those girls. I have actually had a couple of guys tell me that and I respect their dipolomacy 100%. Why spend $1 to lie like the guy from last week and tell me you don't like cat people??? Now today I just got a message back from a guy who said thanks for reaching out to him but he's only interested in girls with solo content. I had to read that message four times to make sure I was reading correctly. I have almost 30 videos listed along with a bunch of non-listed videos (I do list what the fetishes are, though). Know how many videos out of those are boy/girl? One. I have one and only one b/g bj video, everything else is solo so make me understand this??? I have dozens of solo videos but he only wants solo content???? *facepalm*



listen, if they spent that $1 to tell you they aren't interested, that's pretty respectable for them to even tell you. I think it's better you make something rather than getting ignored. Don't take it personal though - there are guys that are sticking with girls that their income allows or already know. LOL He may have lied but you took his dolla dolla make you holla! LOL.

Girl, list your videos :) that non-listed video crap never seemed to work on my end - it might work for you.

Did you tell him you only had solo content and a few of those other vids? I had been getting messages from others that werent even meant for me lately! weird too... I would try to him up again though and explain you do have solo content - unless he just wants someone with exclusive solo content...Investigate :)

Like I said, otherwise, do not take it personal.

CurvyWinona
12-20-2012, 06:54 PM
I am gonna try and do MGF tomorrow. I signed up ages ago and I have never gotten to do anything on there yet. opps.. But anyway, I have so many clips, both villain and fetish I want to list on my MGF. Problem is nearly all my clips have a "advertise" poster that lists links to my blogger, twitter, email, cammodels. Will there be a problem if I put download link (to my mediafire) to the guys who bought? Or should I cut that part off (clips still will be watermarked of course)?

Jaana
12-21-2012, 05:33 AM
My husbands unemployemt/welfare whatever got messed up this month because the system thought he quit schol when in reality he was on medical leave. My rent and shit was due weeks ago and I'm freaking out. Best part? i can't get a single fucking guy on MGF to answer a chat or a message. I'm seriously thinking of just closing my account.

CourtneyRaine
12-21-2012, 10:11 AM
@Carmen, I can't say that I am "loving' MGF lol I'm not there yet, but I'm definitely glad I didn't close my account and stuck with it by applying some of the helpful strategies I have learned in this thread. As to whether guy like non-white girls? Who knows, I'm coming across a lot of guys who are saying they prefer blondes or redheads, clearly black/brown people like me are not born with those shades of hair but we all have our preferences so who knows. I've also seen guys saying they prefer girls with small boobies, cougars, etc. I've had many guys ignore me but then again white girls get ignored too. I've never had a guy say, "Sorry, I only like white chicks" because I think they know better, but I have gotten some WEIRD and nonsensical reasons as to why guys are not interested in me. At the end of the day I'll never know if it's my skin color or my tattoos or my weight or my hair or my personality or whatever that draws guys to me or repels them away from me. Right now only one girl our of 30 on the featured list is brown, but who knows if that's just because there are fewer brown girls on the site overall? I'm kind of curious really but I don't think I'll get my answer. I just care that I am doing better, not great but better, hopefully my earnings will continue to rise so I won't have to worry when it's slow on my real cam sites.

CurvyWinona, I would get rid of the outside advertising stuff, even if you offer mediafire links. I don't think admins would catch you for that but you never know when a few guys might thank you for telling them where else to find you, admin definitely screens all chats and messages so if a guy spills the beans you could get terminated for knowingly sharing outside contact info and directing guys off site. Probably not worth the risk.

Jaana, don't close your account. Even if you don't log in for a little while to focus on other sites it's silly to lose all of your ratings and a higher %. Plus, don't girls have a say in who gets let in? If you were to leave and then try to come back they may not let you. Have you thought of changing your name on there and making your profile pic something a little ambiguous, like random boobies or booty? If girls are going around telling guys "Don't talk to (yourcurrentname)" but then you chat them up as (anewscreenname) you may be able to at least talk to them and make some sales.

CurvyWinona
12-21-2012, 11:46 AM
Ok. Thanks for the tip!! I definitely can cut the ending part, but nearly all vids have watermark with curvywinona on, but very transparent and small on bottom right.. argh.. haha. i guess that might not be a problem, because it doesn't say where it comes from.

Vlodina
12-21-2012, 11:54 AM
Back when I first started at MGF (not long after starting in general) I wasn't watermarking anything. Then I started watermarking things with "Scotty Hottie" which is my name everywhere else. So I gave up on MGF as there's no way in hell I'm doing two versions of every video, wtih two different watermarks.

Did I read recently that you can use the same name on MGF now that you use elsewhere? I wonder if I'd be able to change to Scotty Hottie from ScottishCaitlin or if I would have to make a new account...