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dianecallaway
08-25-2013, 02:13 PM
Wow really?? I see something about Flinglivechat.com but these men are coming from fling.com?
they used to but I have been on the site for awhile I will never go back to them
DigiLuv
08-26-2013, 07:59 AM
I'm so upset they really shouldn't take money from the model for chargebacks. I just got a $47 chargeback for a show I did this weekend with a guy who was being so demanding. I can't believe I did all that work for nothing.
ConnyLove
08-26-2013, 10:42 AM
I'm so upset they really shouldn't take money from the model for chargebacks. I just got a $47 chargeback for a show I did this weekend with a guy who was being so demanding. I can't believe I did all that work for nothing.
I am so sorry DigLuv. The worst thing about the chargebacks is the look of sheer satisfaction on the faces of those motherf**** who are getting shows for free.
Tarabell
09-03-2013, 12:35 AM
I just signed up for naked... I got so tired of all the studio girls in livejasmin!
A few questions:
I used my social security card and passport to avoid the dating site thing (my passport has my old address on it). Is it still a problem on the site?
Are headphones allowed? I hate talking to customers out loud and usually just IM in mute. The no music rule is going to kill me!
Tarabell
09-03-2013, 12:36 AM
I just signed up for naked... I got so tired of all the studio girls in livejasmin!
A few questions:
I used my social security card and passport to avoid the dating site thing (my passport has my old address on it). Is it still a problem on the site?
Are headphones allowed? I hate talking to customers out loud and usually just IM in mute. The no music rule is going to kill me!
ConnyLove
09-03-2013, 06:44 AM
I used my social security card and passport to avoid the dating site thing (my passport has my old address on it). Is it still a problem on the site?
Are headphones allowed? I hate talking to customers out loud and usually just IM in mute. The no music rule is going to kill me!
What problem darling ? do you mean being linked to a dating site? Regardless of your location you will always get guys asking for escorting services/dating. I am not in US and guys keep PM me saying that they are up to travel or they are willing to cover my travel expenses, I just ignore them.
Yes headphones are ok.
Via Flaminia
09-03-2013, 03:29 PM
Those assholes come from flinglivechat.com . They are the rudest and most demanding guys, and I also think that many of them are from India and Brazil. Every model hate them and the other members call them fl= freeloaders I personally call them fucking losers , I've been noticing them since December and in these 9 months I just have had one single tip from one of them.
And the "mlv" guys -- more bad news. So happy there are other members who still believe in paying for services!
RaeRae
09-03-2013, 03:32 PM
Every once in a while, I'll be tipped by the mlv or fl guys, but never ever do they go private.
cherryblossomsinspring
09-03-2013, 09:22 PM
Ok I got my first chargeback. Sadly it was the highest check I had there since the fucked up summer slump. Amount is $76 fucking dollars. Really? Now get this you can actually see the name of the member and also the date.
The date didn't match up but I've seen that member tip or do privates before.
Remember the name that shows up in the room isn't the same name the acct is under. So when someone tips you check your stats to see their name. This guy could have 100 different names but his acct will link back to the original.
Do no shows for member : horni13 (remember this is not his name in the room but you'll see his name after he tips under your transaction history)
It also comes up with a reason : FRAUD.
So glad I hit up MFC today and made $210 because well it's nice to know what you work for will be there in the morning.
And people wonder why I don't show my face. Could you imagine doing a show , being recorded and then plastered up on some site where he makes money off of you? Then of course it comes down to fraud? Pfft!
I'm pissed but I'll make it up elsewhere. After my fun filled few hrs on mfc I'm actually not as pissed off as I thought I would be. Still I thought hopefully it's something like $18 or $20 but 76? That's almost $100 dollars!!! .
I think I'll also start refusing tips and privates from members I don't know. I used to be pissed that it was always the same members tipping but you know now I'm not fazed. Members that have always been trusted and down to earth are far better than some new guy coming in and fucking up my check. So for now . No new members for me. If I don't know him I'm rejecting and refusing privates. Can't afford to wonder if I'll be paid for the work I'm doing. **Sigh**
cherryblossomsinspring
09-03-2013, 09:38 PM
hmm actually I'm wondering if this is someone I've cammed with before like a regular. Wouldn't it be suprising how many regs have been scamming this whole time yet we didn't know because those amounts were covered in the past? lol
laurielegs
09-04-2013, 03:53 AM
Ok I got my first chargeback. Sadly it was the highest check I had there since the fucked up summer slump. Amount is $76 fucking dollars. Really? Now get this you can actually see the name of the member and also the date.
The date didn't match up but I've seen that member tip or do privates before.
Remember the name that shows up in the room isn't the same name the acct is under. So when someone tips you check your stats to see their name. This guy could have 100 different names but his acct will link back to the original.
Do no shows for member : horni13 (remember this is not his name in the room but you'll see his name after he tips under your transaction history)
It also comes up with a reason : FRAUD.
Here is what I am wondering - Are these guys not blocked from the site permanently after they have stolen from the site and from us for not paying the bill?
Surely they are not actually still allowed to charge shows are they?
cherryblossomsinspring
09-04-2013, 06:15 AM
double post
cherryblossomsinspring
09-04-2013, 06:18 AM
I'm fairly certain they are. I've seen this guy before but I don't recall chargebacks because we never had to deal with them. So maybe he's been scamming this whole time and I'm all excited to see an asshole that is coming into my room with stolen credit cards.
Actually my new method for privates will be to accept private . End it within 2 seconds. Check my transaction statement to see the real acct name. If it's a guy that does fraud then I'll know he'll be booted by me and I didn't get naked so perfect. If not then I'll go back in free chat play dumb like" not sure why that happened" and have him take me private again. lol Annoying but seems like the only way to protect myself is to well... protect myself.
Actually the date is wrong but it was something last month in Aug. I found the date and time and even the private that took place. So I think I know who this is. Also the guy tipped me on top of my private as well. So he claimed fraud I think after the show which we already know is a scam buyers remores "blah blah I shouldn't have to pay to see naked women" mind shit. Now wouldn't it be wise if the site made sure if someone picks a name that can't go changing it?
cherryblossomsinspring
09-04-2013, 06:32 AM
I remember back on ifriends the same guy that scammed would be back on the site week after week. You'd see him but there was usually a note by his name as a red mark. Also Ifriends had a note section where anytime a guy popped in your room you knew exactly what his behavior was like. So it was perfect. Notes were at the ready so if someone was a time waster you already had dates and times of when he showed up so you could just block him. The guys that had specific fetish desires were already noted.
I only had 2 charge back issues on Ifriends. One was a guy clearly hit with D for declined status sitting in a private with me chatting. He automatically got booted so no worries there. The other guy would complain about getting charged an extra minute or two. This was the time when all cam sites worked on billing in full minute increments which was always more money for the model and not getting bullshit " .32 wierd numbers for voyers or partial pennies on the dollar privates . Since everything billed in full minutes a guy popping in for 30 sec still had to pay for that whole minute anyways. **Sigh** Good times lol
Anyways sorry didn't mean to derail in ghost of cammers past and what not but this is going to be extra work to play charge hunter.
Via Flaminia
09-04-2013, 02:26 PM
Thank you for posting, cherry. Sharing this information helps all of us, new cammers and veterans.
ConnyLove
09-04-2013, 03:14 PM
Here is what I am wondering - Are these guys not blocked from the site permanently after they have stolen from the site and from us for not paying the bill?
Surely they are not actually still allowed to charge shows are they?
Laurie I remember that the email informing about the chargebacks shit said they will apply not just for fraud but also dissatisfied clients would be able to get their money back . I don't think that they are blocking dissatisfied guys.
Cherry I am so sorry. I've heard many girls complaining on cam about the chargebacks this week and the week before. Just wondering how much are getting deducted the girls who make $ 1000 or more per day and are always in the top 5?
Via Flaminia
09-04-2013, 03:36 PM
Laurie I remember that the email informing about the chargebacks shit said they will apply not just for fraud but also dissatisfied clients would be able to get their money back . I don't think that they are blocking dissatisfied guys.
Cherry I am so sorry. I've heard many girls complaining on cam about the chargebacks this week and the week before. Just wondering how much are getting deducted the girls who make $ 1000 or more per day and are always in the top 5?
Dissatisfied after they parked it in free chat for 30 minutes then blow their load on cam in front of me. I'm sure they are very dissatisfied. smh
And that contest. I'm guessing they are at the point of no return and are determined to keep it for fear that the top earners will leave? Like others have pointed out, probably the impetus for the change in chargeback policy.
Ooh they make me mad, especially when hard working girls are blindsided, but they walk away brushing dust off their shoulders.
ConnyLove
09-04-2013, 04:14 PM
And that contest. I'm guessing they are at the point of no return and are determined to keep it for fear that the top earners will leave? Like others have pointed out, probably the impetus for the change in chargeback policy.
Exactly they need funds for the contest and if those top girls leave the site it would be dead within few days. I mean more dead lol
cherryblossomsinspring
09-04-2013, 04:45 PM
Wow I think I just became a mind reader just now. Sometimes you see something coming because fucked up people tend to show their hand early..
I copied my entire chat in private with this member. I didn't do this with anyone else but there was something he said when he took me private that just didn't feel kosher.
I'm contacting naked NOW.
THIS horni13 bastard I have the entire chat saved in my email. Go fucking figure . It's the one guy that expected to pull some bullshit and yup it was him.
cherryblossomsinspring
09-04-2013, 05:17 PM
Ok so I contacted naked and the guy on the phone was helpful. His tip is if anything seems suspicious just contact him.
So he looked up the transaction for me and it was 100% fraud.
The guy said this in the private " horni13: oh yes now thats worth my credits"
Obviously he was using a stolen card.
Forget what I said earlier about stopping a private and changing etc. I'm not breaking my neck. I'm going to only accept funds from members I know. Anyone else is getting ignored or booted. Privates will also be on the same platform. I don't know you? I could care less about doing anything with you. I understand "increase earnings" but I can't work for free and hope for the best. It's not cost effective. If I want to increase my earnings then it's going to be working on another site.
CourtneyRaine
09-05-2013, 03:03 PM
Coming back out of hiding for this on (hey y'all, missed you!).
I ALSO logged in today to see three chargebacks. Together they added up to a rather large amount. The dates of the chargebacks were one on 9/4 and two on 9/5, although I haven't been live on naked since 9/2. None of the names were familiar to me. I am very good with remembering names BUT since these guys can change their name at will it's kind of irrelevant.
I also called support for clarification and gave the guy a piece of my mind. He essentially said it was all fraud and that the guys who committed fraud would have their accounts closed. BUT, there is nothing stopping them from signing up with a new account and doing it all over again.
I expressed concern that I have NO idea of knowing who is committed fraud, so how can I as a model protect myself from this? He said if a guy changes his sn a lot, it is most likely fraud and to report it. (I don't know that this is always true; I have one reg with a bizarre non-nude fetish who changes his name all the time but has never done a cb with me even though he tips and does shows at least once a week). Even if this is true, unless a guy says, "Oh, this is blah blah blah I changed my SN" how are we supposed to know they have another username? He also said that if a guy takes you private and tells you you can do whatever or even watch tv it's probably fraud and to report it.
Not for nothing, and I told him this, but I ALWAYS work in my shows, and the site can check my logs and past private video feed to prove it. So once again, I have no way of knowing who's committing fraud. He did say that all of my cbs have been due to cc fraud and not "unsatisfied customer reports" but who is to say the guys are being honest?
I asked the cs guy if he worked for free? He said no, of course not. I told him I don't like working for free either, and I want to know what naked plans to do to protect their models from this. He basically said that when they started giving models 50% (didn't we always get 50%? That's what I was making a year ago, WITHOUT cbs), "problems" started happening and the site started losing money from cbs [I guess some models were in cahoots with members since they were getting paid anyway] which is why they are passing the cbs on to us. He also said that a lot of sites give a lower %, as low as 30%, so naked is better on that front.
I told him NO, because the 50% I am making on naked is NOT guaranteed so it's not necessarily more. 30% of $100 is more than 50% of $100 that nets you $0 because of a chargeback. I also explained that this is a degrading job, I am masturbating for strangers, risking getting pirated and uploaded to tube sites, and if I am going to accept this risk I need there to be a reward. I asked if the site will consider doing what some sites do, which is offering the model a slightly lower % with chargeback protection, or a slightly higher % without chargeback protection. He said that is a good idea and he will pass it along.
I also told him that I know of many girls who are dissatisfied with these chargebacks and are going to start leaving naked to cam on other sites and bringing their traffic elsewhere, which is going to lose naked money. He agreed. I for one (and I told him this) cam on another site where I am making 70% AND am protected from chargebacks. If I meet a brand new guy on twitter who wants to do a show with me, which site am I going to refer him to? Obviously not naked. The guy admitted that he knows models are dissatisfied and once again said he'll pass it along to whoever.
One more thing: double check your chargebacks, as I had one that duplicated and would have been deducted from my account twice had I not caught it. Basically I got a cb on 7/3 which was deducted, then on 8/3 I saw the exact same amount was deducted from the same user. I called, they looked into it, saw that the duplicate cb was an error on their part, and refunded me for the duplicate cb.
Okay, that's all. (going back into hibernation now)
Via Flaminia
09-05-2013, 03:26 PM
Thank you Courtney for everything you did, and for coming out of hibernation to post here. I miss you and hope you are well.
Not surprising, they have a curious attitude about fraud. Industry standard, I guess. If the models were in on the fraud, they just decide on cb for everyone instead of getting rid of the fraudsters? Obviously they need the top earners desperately.
ConnyLove
09-05-2013, 03:46 PM
Hey Courtney darling , we all have missed you ! Thanks for your post.
I don't think that naked is longer worth it. As you said the 50% cut can go as low as a 20% after chargebacks and I can't deal with the idea that those guys are getting free shows and if they like it,then they will come back with other fraudulent card.
What a coincidence that they implemented chargebacks short time after launching the new contest prizes.... I wasn't born yesterday !
laurielegs
09-05-2013, 04:09 PM
The thing that bugs me most about this is the sloppy, unprofessional way they seem to be handling the fraud cases.
What prevents them from doing as CCBill does and blocking their SSN/Name/Address for LIFE?
Once you have an unpaid bill with CCBill you are done, period. There is no way to sign up again no matter how many cards, addresses or accounts you try to use.
Tarabell
09-08-2013, 05:30 PM
Hi all, I just had my first week on Naked, and I'm pretty happy (LJ has been SHIT for me lately). It does take a lot of time and patience on this site, though. The traffic seems to just trickle in and the tips are soooooooo slow to begin
I make more money when a friend comes along (my husband or my friend) but I remember seeing that they also have to show proof of age, etc. Nobody has said anything about it yet, but I have NO IDEA how to get them 'approved'
Also- I've noticed through some creeping that girls on the front page have a lot more traffic (naturally) but I don't know what the requirements are to get there. Any help?
Happy hustling, ladies! We got this! As I learned while stripping.. it only takes one guy to turn your entire day around
Tarabell
09-08-2013, 05:52 PM
What problem darling ? do you mean being linked to a dating site? Regardless of your location you will always get guys asking for escorting services/dating. I am not in US and guys keep PM me saying that they are up to travel or they are willing to cover my travel expenses, I just ignore them.
Yes headphones are ok.
yes, being linked to a dating site. I don't like that idea at all!!
laurielegs
09-09-2013, 06:16 AM
Hi all, I just had my first week on Naked, and I'm pretty happy (LJ has been SHIT for me lately). It does take a lot of time and patience on this site, though. The traffic seems to just trickle in and the tips are soooooooo slow to begin
I make more money when a friend comes along (my husband or my friend) but I remember seeing that they also have to show proof of age, etc. Nobody has said anything about it yet, but I have NO IDEA how to get them 'approved'
OMG, you are having other people on camera illegally without them being age verified and approved?
You are really lucky you didn't get caught. You could be banned for good for that.
They have to register for the site and submit every single thing that you submitted, ID, fill out forms and everything and they can not appear on camera until they do. Now that I think about it, I don't think Naked even allows men. Streamate does though.
CourtneyRaine
09-09-2013, 11:24 AM
Okay girls, real talk, confession time: For the past month I have been making LITERALLY only $5/hour on naked. If it wasn't for my back up site and my non-adult gig I would be FUCKED. Nothing on my end has changed. I am putting in a TON of hours (think 12-18+ on the days I cam). What the hell? Am I the only one who is having an atrocious time? I started last year in September so I am not sure if the "summer slump" is particularly hard on naked or if the site is just... dying. Is it just me? I've been on for almost two hours and have only made $8.50. Not one private. This is typical these days. Oh, except that whopping $8.50 I made is not *really* mine because of chargebacks. I'm still in the red and it just isn't right.
I am stuck in my intrntm0deling contract until December but at this point I am *thisclose* to sucking it up and getting back on SM for a piddly 20% because to be honest, I really don't like having to pull all nighters just to make $50 on naked. I don't know what to do. Is it just me? Do I need to step my game up or am I just on the wrong site? (And then I think, it can't be just me, because I can hop on my backup site and make in two hours what it takes me all day to make on naked, but some days there are slow so I can't rely on it alone. I've tried cam4, webcams, xmodels, chaturbate- so many other sites recently and I can't make shit Except for on my backup site. I feel lost.)
RaeRae
09-09-2013, 12:07 PM
Oh no, it's not just you. Naked has been slow as molasses for me any time I'm on it. I won't get on it unless all of my other sites are dead or on the last day of their pay period if I sold enough clips to make it worthwhile to do so just to hit payout. Last 4 times I've been on, I've gotten one group show and absolutely NO privates. I pretty much just sit there reading or watching tv until guys tip me or take me private as I get the same amount of shows either way on that shit hole of a site.
laurielegs
09-09-2013, 12:30 PM
Yeah it has been bad on there. After hours and hours I am lucky to do $50 a day and sometimes $0
Since they decided not to cover any chargebacks the site is one I just run in the background. When I get a show elsewhere I always give other sites priority. Should they do something about the chargebacks and the lack of traffic I might change my mind, but doesn't look likely.
I only run it because of the daily pay honestly and am trying to wean myself off that completely because it is ridiculous to have to pay $10 just to get paid.
I would really really hate to see you have to go back to 20%. It would almost be worth getting a shitty day job for 2 1/2 months than to see them take that much of your $
God I hate those studio assholes!!! ugh. It seems like it should be illegal to trick and steal from people the way they do.
CourtneyRaine
09-09-2013, 12:49 PM
^My god THANK YOU because I thought I had camming cooties or something! SO glad it's not just me! I also tend to ignore guys unless they talk, tip, or go private, and since I can sometimes go nearly an hour without not even one fucker saying so much as "hello," ugh, it gets boring! At least I can work my side site and non-adult gig while I am on there in between shows, but it just feels like such an inefficient use of my time. I'd rather put in 5 hours on a real site, make what I need, and then do my side site and non-adult stuff in the evenings as opposed to now I am spending a good 15 hours on cam and for what?
Laurielegs, lol, are we cam twins or something? I am in such a financial rut Because of naked that I am forced to stay with them due to their daily pay option (although the cash out fees, geesh!). My non-adult gig also pays daily on business days but it's free direct deposit to my bank account and the minimum is only $1. Freaking CMB, man. If my laptop could handle split camming I'd do it in a heartbeat but as it stands, I can only manage to stream live on one site at a time so I really have to choose wisely.
And getting a shitty day job? That sounds like a freaking Dream right now! You mean guaranteed pay Plus benefits and no more all nighters? I wish! But employment in my city is SO bad. Between my tattoos and not being bilingual I was not able to find anything out here when I first moved and I don't have the time to get off cam long enough to start looking again. I couldn't even get hired at McDonalds. Yes, I even applied to McDonalds. I have a Bachelor's degree and graduated magna cum laude. It's a crazy world, I tell you.
JaneBurgess
09-09-2013, 08:22 PM
You have to submit the same paperwork you filled out on them and Naked does NOT allow men on there at all. If they catch you they can shut your account down and keep your funds.
Hi all, I just had my first week on Naked, and I'm pretty happy (LJ has been SHIT for me lately). It does take a lot of time and patience on this site, though. The traffic seems to just trickle in and the tips are soooooooo slow to begin
I make more money when a friend comes along (my husband or my friend) but I remember seeing that they also have to show proof of age, etc. Nobody has said anything about it yet, but I have NO IDEA how to get them 'approved'
Also- I've noticed through some creeping that girls on the front page have a lot more traffic (naturally) but I don't know what the requirements are to get there. Any help?
Happy hustling, ladies! We got this! As I learned while stripping.. it only takes one guy to turn your entire day around
Tarabell
09-09-2013, 08:45 PM
You have to submit the same paperwork you filled out on them and Naked does NOT allow men on there at all. If they catch you they can shut your account down and keep your funds.
As far as I know, men ARE allowed to be on cam with a girl. There is even a 'couples' category that customers can search. To sign up a male partner, you need to email
[email protected] I'm a bit disappointed because my female friend would need to make her own account and she's not interested in working frequently enough to be a 'model'.
laurielegs
09-09-2013, 09:07 PM
As far as I know, men ARE allowed to be on cam with a girl. There is even a 'couples' category that customers can search. To sign up a male partner, you need to email
[email protected] I'm a bit disappointed because my female friend would need to make her own account and she's not interested in working frequently enough to be a 'model'.
I believe Jane is correct. The "couples" are supposed to be females from what I understand, unless you are talking about the recorded videos maybe?
I don't think you realize how serious an offense it is to have even your female friend on camera with you without documentation.
If caught the site could be prosecuted or even shut down - it is completely illegal what you have done as there is no proof the other people are not underage.
They are not even supposed to walk past the camera or be seen at all, and definitely not performing with you with no documentation.
Tarabell
09-09-2013, 09:21 PM
I believe Jane is correct. The "couples" are supposed to be females from what I understand, unless you are talking about the recorded videos maybe?
I don't think you realize how serious an offense it is to have even your female friend on camera with you without documentation.
If caught the site could be prosecuted or even shut down - it is completely illegal what you have done as there is no proof the other people are not underage.
They are not even supposed to walk past the camera or be seen at all, and definitely not performing with you with no documentation.
If you go on to naked as a free custy, and click on 'couples' there are about 3-4 m/f couples performing at any one time. Are they all in violation of naked's policy? It is its own category, just like 18-22 or MILF. Customers can search out performers that do m/f live shows. I would be surprised if they were all doing this in violation of the rules
JaneBurgess
09-09-2013, 11:44 PM
That section is mostly for performers that are selling b/g video's. They aren't supposed to be doing actual hardcore b/g cam shows usually. I am turning in my paperwork to sell a couple b/g video's on there and they were clear that is was for mostly video's only and not live couple feeds. They said on special occasions they MAY allow a couples show but you have to have their permission first. You are in violation of Naked's policy for not having your paperwork in on your partner's and for doing hardcore shows without permission.
If you go on to naked as a free custy, and click on 'couples' there are about 3-4 m/f couples performing at any one time. Are they all in violation of naked's policy? It is its own category, just like 18-22 or MILF. Customers can search out performers that do m/f live shows. I would be surprised if they were all doing this in violation of the rules
JaneBurgess
09-09-2013, 11:48 PM
They may have let couples on there before but I don't think they allow that now. I have to send in paperwork on my man to even sell a couple's video.
I believe Jane is correct. The "couples" are supposed to be females from what I understand, unless you are talking about the recorded videos maybe?
I don't think you realize how serious an offense it is to have even your female friend on camera with you without documentation.
If caught the site could be prosecuted or even shut down - it is completely illegal what you have done as there is no proof the other people are not underage.
They are not even supposed to walk past the camera or be seen at all, and definitely not performing with you with no documentation.
CourtneyRaine
09-12-2013, 12:17 PM
I don't think you realize how serious an offense it is to have even your female friend on camera with you without documentation.
Oh gosh, YES. Not just on naked but any site. Without documentation of proof of age, 2257s, and performer agreements for everyone who appears on cam you are risking getting not only your account shut down but the entire site shut down. If they approve you to cam with other people I personally don't care, honestly good for you if they allow it and it brings you more money, but PLEASE do not allow anyone on your feed who has not been age verified and approved to broadcast!
I also tried uploading a b/g video and they flat out rejected it. The thing is, I DO have a 2257 from the guy but they didn't even ask for it, they just wouldn't upload it. Oh well, I sell it elsewhere for better money.
So I'm here because one of my new guy friends from MGF decided to track me down on naked this morning because he wanted to see my live. He ended up making an account on naked and tipping me there, as well as exchanging paid messages and purchasing three of my videos from mgf. Well this morning I get an email from him via mygirlfund that he is furious because instead of naked charging his card $19.99 he was billed for $200. He said when he tried to contact naked about it the support page came up blank and the support number wouldn't go through, nor would it give him the option to even close his account. I called model support and got the # and email address to pass on to him, but I feel fucking AWFUL for him. That is a HUGE error on naked's part and they need to resolve it stat.
Two questions from this:
1. Do you think I should throw the guy a free video for his trouble? As I told him, I have nothing to do with naked support or billing, but I still feel super bad. I did not tell him where to find me or even ask him to find me outside of mgf (I actually would have preferred to stay on MGF since I get a higher % chargeback free, but whatevs). Still, I feel like he signed up to naked specifically to help me and now he's getting fucked.
2. Has anyone else ever heard of a customer saying this happened to them? If so, how was it resolved? I did have a guy tell me something similar a few months ago and he said it was eventually fixed, but I cannot in good conscience refer new members to the site if this kind of egregious billing mistake has happened more than a couple of times. I have never directed guys away from my other site to naked for the reason listed above, but I will flat out stop telling them I am a webcam model altogether so they purposely don't try to track me down and find me on naked if I learn of similar client billing errors.
ConnyLove
09-12-2013, 01:19 PM
Courtney I am sorry this happened to one of your friends. I've never had anyone complaining about billing errors, all the opposite. I brought my regulars from other site where they were overcharged several times and had to wait 2 months for refunds. There are 2 things that you need to consider : a) I think the limit per day is $160 or 175 no $200. He was new so in order to spend $200 or more than $175 he would had to get a Premier Membership and it's only for paying active members. b) If you google naked.com customer support you get their email and phone number I don't know why he was not able to find it.
You should ask support if he was overcharged. Tell them the truth, especially the part about that you brought him to the site and the fact that you are planning to give him a video to make up the billing error.
Via Flaminia
09-12-2013, 01:39 PM
^ Hmm what Conny said about daily limits and his trouble finding tech support is interesting. I have never encountered a full on disappearance of support like he did, and I wonder what's really going on. I hope he isn't trying to dupe you into giving free stuff. I've had people tip/do a show and suddenly it's clear they did it to get my guard down, and they are really getting off on how far they can push things without spending another dime.
I hope I'm wrong, and sorry to hear it happened.
CourtneyRaine
09-13-2013, 10:42 AM
I didn't even think of daily limits, but he actually *did* buy a premier membership, I think? I don't know, he was sending me private messages and also sent me a few emails through naked mail so is that what that means? I don't know, I don't have a customer account on naked so I really am not sure of the different options and limits and what not. I haven't heard back from him but this is the message I got from him via the naked emailing platform the morning it happened, "Hey, sorry some bad news. seems joining this site did not charge me 20 dollars as it listed but 200 dollars. So i am currently franctically trying to get my money back, my credit card company just called me about a fraud thing which i had to say it wasn't cause that would ruin my score even more. So long story short I will be leaving here. sorry. ttyl on MGF"
When I asked model support to look into it she did say there was a note on his account that he talked to support so I guess he got through to them, I just don't know how it was resolved. She also didn't tell me anything about what he actually spent but I didn't ask, as it's not really my business. I just don't want a dissatisfied customer. He didn't ask for anything free at all. Maybe I'll just send a few pictures to be nice, I don't know. I just don't want anyone to think that I am a scam girl because of their bad experience.
I am just worried because as I said, a few months ago a member said something similar happened to him. I don't remember the exact amounts but I do remember him saying he was supposed to be charged one thing and naked charged him Way more. Also maybe almost a year ago (before chargebacks) I had a regular spender from xpeeps follow me to naked and he came in one day apologizing profusely because the week prior he had tipped me a bunch on naked and his bank marked it as fraud and reversed the charges. I would have been SOL had there been cbs at that time, but he's tipped me a lot and very regularly since then with no problem. I don't know, I have just heard a few things about billing "issues" with naked, and now that models are getting penalized for billing issues it really does frighten me.
But, Thank GOD no chargebacks from this guy! Or anyone else. My last chargeback was on 9/5. Let's pray I don't get any more through the month of September. I hate logging in and checking my earnings report all the while thinking, "Is my money going to be there? I really hope my money is going to be there! If there is a chargeback please God don't let it be until after I cash out and pay this bill I have due!"
Via Flaminia
09-13-2013, 11:27 AM
Hi Courtney, what a mess w/ the site. I think a pic set is a nice thing to do since it sounds like your customer may hang around long term, and he took the time to follow you to another site.
I have yet to be part of a site that goes "out of business" so I always take it seriously when posters here begin to have problems with a site. Thanks for sharing what happened-more information helps me & everyone else. I know what you mean about checking for charge backs. That policy gets me the most b/c that can cause real hardship for performers.
ConnyLove
09-13-2013, 12:56 PM
Well Courtney the only thing you can do is to send the free video or pics and forget about the incident, at the end of the day he is the only one who knows the truth. Billing errors happen with every company so if it was the case I am sure naked will refund what was overcharged and he will
About the Premier membership guys can't get one on their first day, it is for people who have been for long time on the site , are good spenders or want to spend more than the normal daily limits. The other membership is the normal one for $19.99 just to chat and send PMs.
CourtneyRaine
09-14-2013, 11:42 AM
^Ah, gotcha. Yeah like I said I have no idea how the memberships work on naked. Still haven't heard from him but I took off from both of my sites yesterday because I was so exhausted. I'm working later tonight so let's see what happens.
Via, I actually *have* worked a site that went out of business (two, actually, Stripville and Xpeeps). Xpeeps constituted a big % of my overall earnings so when they basically went bust overnight it was a Huge blow to me. It was a year ago, between xpeeps closing and me choosing to leave my SM studio my earnings are still not back up to what they were averaging a year ago. I guess I am super paranoid but since I have felt the results of a site gone bad I get super nervous.
I don't think naked will outright close down. But, unless they make some changes to keep their models happier I would not be surprised if by this time next year the site is absolutely dead and unworkable. Of course the top models who get to split that $1,000/day are happy. Isn't that just the stupidest thing ever? And isn't it, if a model gets a daily bonus but then gets a chargeback that knocks her out of the top 5, her bonus is taken away? I cannot imagine how pissed I'd be if that were me. As it stands I am super pissed that they can basically afford to just GIVE away $30,000-$31,000 every single month, yet they cannot afford to cover chargebacks for average models like you and me? I feel like I am being stolen from to further boost the top girls' incomes. They're already earning a hell of a lot more on that site than I ever will, and I can't even get a guarantee that I will actually get to keep the money I earned?
Has anyone else called support to complain about chargebacks and ask what they are going to do to protect models? Maybe if enough girls ask for a lower % chargeback protection option they may consider it.
Via Flaminia
09-14-2013, 12:05 PM
^ Yes Courney so true, we are subsidizing the top girls that way.
I'll call this week and complain. I'll mention the things you did when you called them last week.
Babybunny
09-14-2013, 12:58 PM
^Ah, gotcha. Yeah like I said I have no idea how the memberships work on naked. Still haven't heard from him but I took off from both of my sites yesterday because I was so exhausted. I'm working later tonight so let's see what happens.
Via, I actually *have* worked a site that went out of business (two, actually, Stripville and Xpeeps). Xpeeps constituted a big % of my overall earnings so when they basically went bust overnight it was a Huge blow to me. It was a year ago, between xpeeps closing and me choosing to leave my SM studio my earnings are still not back up to what they were averaging a year ago. I guess I am super paranoid but since I have felt the results of a site gone bad I get super nervous.
I don't think naked will outright close down. But, unless they make some changes to keep their models happier I would not be surprised if by this time next year the site is absolutely dead and unworkable. Of course the top models who get to split that $1,000/day are happy. Isn't that just the stupidest thing ever? And isn't it, if a model gets a daily bonus but then gets a chargeback that knocks her out of the top 5, her bonus is taken away? I cannot imagine how pissed I'd be if that were me. As it stands I am super pissed that they can basically afford to just GIVE away $30,000-$31,000 every single month, yet they cannot afford to cover chargebacks for average models like you and me? I feel like I am being stolen from to further boost the top girls' incomes. They're already earning a hell of a lot more on that site than I ever will, and I can't even get a guarantee that I will actually get to keep the money I earned?
Has anyone else called support to complain about chargebacks and ask what they are going to do to protect models? Maybe if enough girls ask for a lower % chargeback protection option they may consider it.
I have had a chargeback or two & they suck. But I don't think lowering the percentage is a good idea. I think it would turn out to be more than an average chargeback.
I love Naked. I love my 50% and that I can put in a transfer whenever I want. Plus no cam score. There's a lot of good things about the company.
Procrasturbator
09-14-2013, 01:57 PM
Hey, I just applied. I had a question about this:
3.Choose a "stage name". This will be the name that users on the site will see. If you do not provide a stage name we will assign one to you. Please refrain from selecting a stage name that is vulgar or does not depict your actual age. If we find that your selected stage name is either already taken or that it violates our policy, a stage name will be assigned.
Looking at the girls online most seem to have the same sort of name format (e.g. Mary Jane, Stacy Stars, etc.) The name I use on most sites is easily adapted to that but that form is taken, though the account doesn't seem terribly popular or active. I usually add a bit on the end (think numbers/XOXO/that sort of thing.) If I try to use my usual name (so technically different from the other account) will they refuse it and assign me a name? Or should I just make up a totally different name? I really don't want to have to use whatever name they assign me. Does anyone know anything about how this might play out? Thanks in advance. :)
ConnyLove
09-14-2013, 05:43 PM
Procrasturbator I don't know the right answer for your question. When I applied they gave me the screen name which I asked for but to log in they added a "xo". Some girls have similar names like : Mila , Milaxx , xxxMilaxxx, so if you're name is already taken maybe they will add something.
ConnyLove
09-14-2013, 06:06 PM
Courtney I will call too. There are many ways to minimize the risk of chargebacks
1- Giving ratings to the spenders. I bet that the the guys using fraudulent credit cards have new accounts.
2- First day spending limit $50
3. I know that sometimes Chaturbate takes 2-3 days to clear new credits while they check if the credit card is ok. Naked should do the same.
CourtneyRaine
09-15-2013, 12:11 PM
I love Naked. I love my 50% and that I can put in a transfer whenever I want. Plus no cam score. There's a lot of good things about the company.
I agree that there are good things about Naked. I just feel like the bad is starting to outweigh the good, and I wish they'd listen to models to try to prevent that from happening.
I've had more than a chargeback or two. It's not enough to make me leave the site altogether, but it always seems to come at the most inopportune times. It sucks knowing I'll have to work for 5+ hours for free to make up for one chargeback. That's not 50%, in my opinion. That's 0%. I think they should give the girls the *option* of taking a higher % and getting chargebacks passed on to them, OR getting a slightly lower % but being protected from all chargebacks. Maybe some girls are willing to risk getting the higher % and I would not blame you. But for me, especially as someone who does public cum shows 2-4 times I month, I cannot stand the idea of dozens of guys getting a free show and me working for $0 at the end of the day because some knucklehead decides he has buyer's remorse and calls fraud.
Girls have said that they will only do shows with guys who've done privates in the past to try to prevent that from happening. While this makes complete, 100% sense to me (kind of), how on earth am I supposed to grow my business and attract new regular spenders if I make it a personal policy that I'll only accept money from existing regulars?
Every reg has a shelf life. If I were to only do shows with proven regs one day they'd get bored and leave, and I would have no one to replace that income stream. It doesn't seem very sustainable.
Oh, and for the record one of my first chargebacks was with a semi-reg. He would get 5-10 minute private shows once every week or two. It wasn't a lot, but he'd been doing shows with me for several months without any problems. Then boom, chargeback.
There is no cam score which I appreciate, but considering that the ratings are rigged and there is no shifting in placement whatsoever, not really sure how that benefits me. One model who is always the very last on the page is always far ahead of me in the daily contest stats, so I know that on such a small site as naked where everyone is visible, placement doesn't matter as much as larger sites with multiple pages of online models. I think the first two rows of models do get more exposure, but once a guy starts scrolling down a little bit to see everyone else who's online it's pretty much equal footing.
I do like that Naked's support is easy to access at any time of day. Whenever I've had a technical problem or question I can easily live chat support or call the model number and I am always given very prompt answers to whatever my issue is. CMB also has very nice support staff, even if I do think they charge a ridiculous amount for a service that is less than reliable. It's precisely because Naked's support actually seems to listen that I am not giving up on this site altogether. Because I think that if enough models and members complain about something they don't like, I think they'll actually listen and evaluate to see if there is a better way of doing things.
And surely, there must be a better way of doing things than they have been lately.