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CourtneyRaine
05-13-2013, 09:57 AM
Eww that is some BS. I feel like cam viewers think you're worth it when they think other people think you're worth it. Like how you can go ages without a tip but then once one guy tips then another does and then another. Or NO ONE will take you private but as soon as someone does you have a bunch of guys joining or spying. This is just one more way to give arbitrary value to certain girls. I don't mind customers seeing the top 10 every day but why do they need to see the rest of the ranking? I don't need some guy thinking, "well, she is only ranked #188 right now, she must suck, I'm not giving my money to someone who sucks." Not a smart decision on naked's part. But what do they care, I know for a FACT that they rig placement so I guess as long as the big money makers are happy they don't care.
ConnyLove
05-13-2013, 01:33 PM
You couldn't say it better Courtney.
Chasing_the_night666
05-13-2013, 04:42 PM
I'm going to sign up today!
Via Flaminia
05-13-2013, 08:43 PM
Eww that is some BS. I feel like cam viewers think you're worth it when they think other people think you're worth it. Like how you can go ages without a tip but then once one guy tips then another does and then another. Or NO ONE will take you private but as soon as someone does you have a bunch of guys joining or spying. This is just one more way to give arbitrary value to certain girls. I don't mind customers seeing the top 10 every day but why do they need to see the rest of the ranking? I don't need some guy thinking, "well, she is only ranked #188 right now, she must suck, I'm not giving my money to someone who sucks." Not a smart decision on naked's part. But what do they care, I know for a FACT that they rig placement so I guess as long as the big money makers are happy they don't care.
Totally agree.
JaneBurgess
05-14-2013, 11:36 PM
I'm going to give this site a good try. A need a back up site to Streamate. Plus I like the 50 percent pay out.
kittykrane
05-15-2013, 04:19 AM
I actually made almost as much on Naked the other day as I did on SM, that's not saying much for SM! Naked is a decent -although not the busiest- backup..I love how they don't have chargebacks and I have always gotten my checks on time.
CourtneyRaine
05-15-2013, 04:35 AM
^Really? Lately I've been having more and more days where I earn more on MGF than I do on Naked- which doesn't say much for naked! I really need to find a new free chat home, naked is not doing a very good job of bringing on new traffic to match the influx of new models. And I HATE how sporadic it is! Tonight I mad $20 with in my first 20 minutes of logging on, then NOTHING for two and a half hours, then a bit more but not much to brag about, then NOTHING, the $50 in my last hour. When I was on SM I never averaged $50/hour but I rarely, rarely had a $0 hour. On naked I have more $0 hours than hours I'm getting paid. It's those rare $30-60 in one shows I get that keeps me around but I feel like they are getting fewer and farther between.
I dunno why I'm so cranky with naked tonight, I actually surpassed my goal between there and MGF so I'm glad for that, but I seriously find myself questioning my ability as a cam girl the longer I am on there.
laurielegs
05-15-2013, 07:20 AM
I seriously find myself questioning my ability as a cam girl the longer I am on there.
Naked doesn't have consistent traffic unfortunately. Until it does it will only be a secondary site for me because I can never count on it.
Nothing to do with you or your abilities.
ConnyLove
05-15-2013, 07:38 AM
^ naked is not doing a very good job of bringing on new traffic to match the influx of new models.
Exactly , they are doing a great job bringing on just guests . The number of guests in my room is insane. I can have 1300 - 1500 guest after 30 minutes online.
Naked is a good site if you have good placement, but usually apart of porn stars and playboy girls , the others who are within the first 4 - 5 rows are the girls who work for naked Argentina ( most of them don't speak English, no sound etc ) and the girls who broadcast from the studio in Miami. I bet they get a % of their earnings.
I am making more money on naked than I do on streamate as I am on daily pay getting just the 30 %, I also love the fact that some guys on naked are very generous, and they have purchased lot of stuff from my wishlist . On Streamate we can't share the wishlist link.
SoloDesire
05-15-2013, 08:52 AM
I got approved but never went through the on cam orientation. It just doesn't seem worth it to me. And the fact that I can't play music is what puts me off the most. Some days that's the only thing that keeps my mood stable lol.
CourtneyRaine
05-15-2013, 11:13 AM
Yeah, the no music rule is a HUGE adjustment if you are used to having background noise in free chat. Especially because the guys on naked tend to be much less talkative than other sites I've been on (for the most part). Sitting in silence with nothing to dance to is not the way I was used to camming, it really negatively affects my mood and energy. I'm thinking I'm going to have to start working Chaturbate again so my slow nights on Naked won't be as frustrating and I just about laughed for joy when I realized I can play my reggae dancehall while working.
I do also think the spenders on naked are more generous than on SM, it just feels like there are less of them :P On SM I was lucky if a guy ponied up 5 gold for a flash, on naked it is very common for my regs to drop $20-50+ in tips when they come to visit. Actually just last night someone tipped $5 for a flash, another $5 to prolong the flash, and then $20 "just for being awesome" and then told me I should cover up so the rest off the freeloaders wouldn't get to enjoy me on his wallet :P The only other site I know of where guys tip just because like that consistently is MFC but my cam score is way too far gone to ever reopen my account.
I don't have a wishlist, I don't think I need one since I'm trying to get rid of things to prepare for when I move, but it can't hurt. What kinds of things sell well on your wishlist? I'd probably put all practical items like cat supplies, don't know if the guys would bother springing for that.
ConnyLove
05-15-2013, 03:36 PM
Yes Courtney pets stuff is ok, my pets are cam whores too, so they got some fans and guys from naked have bought gifts for them. I got very different items like toys, lingerie, fragrances, bags, shoes, books, etc. If you are moving soon then a good option would be amazon cards or any other gift card .
CourtneyRaine
05-16-2013, 12:46 AM
Some guys are SO silly. I reached my goal tonight so I did a public masturbation show as promised. As I was going at it with a toy some guy is like , "Wow this is so hot," and decided to take me into private chat to watch me do the exact same thing as I had been doing. WTF?! Lol Why would he do that??? I was so mad, especially since one guy alone had thrown down $85 towards the goal so I thought it was so unfair for someone to steal me away. I told the guy to end the private so I could resume my free chat show and he could tip me there if he liked it. He never came back. So confused. Did he get butt hurt?
Note to self: always remember to disable privates while doing a goal show. That guy totally messed up my flow.
ConnyLove
05-16-2013, 07:36 AM
It happens in many rooms Courtney , you know how competitive guys are and some of them like to ruin the fun. Usually one of the guys who contributes to reach my goal reminds me to disable privates. Don't do it early darling, because you know that sometimes takes long time to reach a goal. Nice to hear you had a great night.
kittykrane
05-16-2013, 03:07 PM
I did a simple 5 min public show the other day for 50..F*ck it...at this point. I don't care..beats doing 7-8 min TV GOLD SHOWS for $15 on SM..lol. There were only two who consistently tipped me while the others just watched. ! WTF??? I will raise my goal to 100 if they want a 10 minute show. Most of the time though, I am not on long enough to hit 100 or I get taken private, or it's a bunch of non-tipping guys just hanging out.
I need to remember to disable the private button though if it looks like I'm almost @ the goal...
JaneBurgess
05-16-2013, 05:17 PM
I like it on there so far. I play music and they haven't said anything to me. I keep it low so maybe that's why. I have been getting private shows since I am not really comfortable with full nudity in free chat. One day that stick will come out of my ass and then I can be fully naked in free chat.
ConnyLove
05-16-2013, 05:31 PM
Yes Jane usually they don't come to your room and ask you to turn off the music , but it can plays against you when they assign placement every Sunday.
Girls are we really protected against chargebacks / fraudulent tips ? I saw today the headline of a model saying something really bad happened last night.
CourtneyRaine
05-16-2013, 07:43 PM
Conny, what did you hear about chargebacks/fraudulent tips? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to share in public. I have never gotten a charge back and I can think of two instances where I suspected something was off but couldn't know for sure (one last year when my reg said his bank declined the charges because they thought the charge was suspicious- not sure if it was ever resolved or not but I assume so since he's been spending regularly without a problem since then- and recently I got a huge random tip from someone I don't know out of the blue).
JaneBurgess
05-17-2013, 09:55 AM
Thanks for the info
Yes Jane usually they don't come to your room and ask you to turn off the music , but it can plays against you when they assign placement every Sunday.
Girls are we really protected against chargebacks / fraudulent tips ? I saw today the headline of a model saying something really bad happened last night.
CourtneyRaine
05-17-2013, 01:46 PM
I'm sorry but I think it's incredibly unfair that girls are playing music and don't see a problem with that, it is giving a disadvantage to girls such as myself who play by the rules. I think playing upbeat music gives you an advantage because it is easy to keep your mood and energy up, and guys interested. I can't do that, since naked is my only free chat site and I was told I'm not allowed so I'm not trying to get a temporary ban. I've seen girls with music in free chat having to turn it off when an admin comes in their free chat and tell them to, but several minutes later the music is back on and they never get a slap on the wrist for it. Am I supposed to be happy for you that you are getting away with rule breaking? Not to mention you're putting the site in jeopardy. The reason we can't play music is because of all of this internet censoring stuff going on and potential lawsuits against sites that are using copyrighted material without express written consent. Naked is trying to safeguard us against us against that.
God I really wish they would actually DO something about all the girls who decide to break this rule thinking it's no big deal, either that or they need to change the rule and allow all of us to play background music. None of this some girls can get away with it and some can't nonsense.
JaneBurgess
05-17-2013, 04:07 PM
When I asked they said as long as the music is low it's fine, so I play it low. I have never heard of a cam site being sued for copyright from music being played. Then Bud, Miller and all the other alcohol companies would be going after the performers who drink in free chat where you can see the logo's clearly.
I'm sorry but I think it's incredibly unfair that girls are playing music and don't see a problem with that, it is giving a disadvantage to girls such as myself who play by the rules. I think playing upbeat music gives you an advantage because it is easy to keep your mood and energy up, and guys interested. I can't do that, since naked is my only free chat site and I was told I'm not allowed so I'm not trying to get a temporary ban. I've seen girls with music in free chat having to turn it off when an admin comes in their free chat and tell them to, but several minutes later the music is back on and they never get a slap on the wrist for it. Am I supposed to be happy for you that you are getting away with rule breaking?
Perhaps they changed the rules.
Not to mention you're putting the site in jeopardy. The reason we can't play music is because of all of this internet censoring stuff going on and potential lawsuits against sites that are using copyrighted material without express written consent. Naked is trying to safeguard us against us against that.
God I really wish they would actually DO something about all the girls who decide to break this rule thinking it's no big deal, either that or they need to change the rule and allow all of us to play background music. None of this some girls can get away with it and some can't nonsense.
CourtneyRaine
05-17-2013, 04:54 PM
When I asked they said as long as the music is low it's fine, so I play it low. I have never heard of a cam site being sued for copyright from music being played. Then Bud, Miller and all the other alcohol companies would be going after the performers who drink in free chat where you can see the logo's clearly.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if that's the case Naked really needs to make that known to every model because like I said, very recently I have seen a girl playing music and an admin came into her room and told her she needs to turn it off. Why would they do that if music is now okay? Also, I asked Fabio upthread a few months ago and he said very explicitly that it is not allowed. If they're going to start changing the rules they need to send a mass memo.
As far as copyright claims, SOPA, PIPA, and CISPA. That's all I have to say about that, and I think naked is very smart for preventing problems before they happen. As the law stands right now a station that publicly performs any copyrighted song without the proper licenses can be held liable for damages up to $30,000 — or in extreme cases up to $150,000 — for each song played without authorization. (http://www.splc.org/knowyourrights/legalresearch.asp?id=112) Is that likely to happen? No. Is it possible? Yes.
JaneBurgess
05-17-2013, 11:36 PM
I don't want to piss any performers off on there so I will make sure I don't have music on while logged in. I do hope they changed the rules, music can be good for your mood. When the guys don't talk and there isn't any sounds it's depressing.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if that's the case Naked really needs to make that known to every model because like I said, very recently I have seen a girl playing music and an admin came into her room and told her she needs to turn it off. Why would they do that if music is now okay? Also, I asked Fabio upthread a few months ago and he said very explicitly that it is not allowed. If they're going to start changing the rules they need to send a mass memo.
As far as copyright claims, SOPA, PIPA, and CISPA. That's all I have to say about that, and I think naked is very smart for preventing problems before they happen. As the law stands right now a station that publicly performs any copyrighted song without the proper licenses can be held liable for damages up to $30,000 — or in extreme cases up to $150,000 — for each song played without authorization. (http://www.splc.org/knowyourrights/legalresearch.asp?id=112) Is that likely to happen? No. Is it possible? Yes.
laurielegs
05-18-2013, 04:46 AM
Just wanted to make a quick note that the CMB pay card service Naked offers has improved a lot for me. They are paying faster for me lately.
They no longer promise daily pay so I wouldn't count on it being there the next day (3 business days is what they say now) but for me it's been within one day of submitting my request, for the past month.
kittykrane
05-18-2013, 07:15 AM
I wouldn't see a problem with low music, something that only you can hear but that is hard for the guys to make out...Nothing worse than going in a dead silent room, IMHO. Or you can turn the tv on I guess...I've seen a few top gals on Naked who had music loud enough to get the room pumped to chip in so obviously it's not enforced that much, but still better to err on the safe side. I usually have mine on very low so that only I can hear it...the guys might catch a beat every now and then...I don't like it too loud anyhow because it distracts me too much.
As a comparison, on SM, models can play music but have to turn it off if they accept a TV GOLD SHOW and there can't be any logos or anything on the walls of brand names, etc....
CourtneyRaine
05-18-2013, 09:58 AM
Thank you Jane, and please don't think that I am singling you out when I say it makes me crazy. I'm more upset that the site is not doing anything about it one way or the other, because I agree, when I was able to play music it always helped with my mood and to keep my energy up.
And yes, CMB has definitely stepped up their game! For the past month or so when I cash out on a Monday-Thursday I have been getting it the next day before noon, I am loving it!
cherryblossomsinspring
05-19-2013, 12:39 AM
Hey Cherryblossomsinspring,
This policy was recently changed but hasn't been promoted because we are working on some communication issues that we are aware of. We now allow models to sell custom private videos as long as the user pays you for the video on Naked.com. We are working on building this functionality into the site and it should be rolled out in the near future.
Best,
Fabio
Naked.com
Thank you Fabio
Are they going to do something about the music ban? The low playing music doesn't work for me because I still get a pop up " NO MUSIC" .
cherryblossomsinspring
05-19-2013, 01:52 AM
So I don't blame the girls that are getting away with it. Obviously the site must turn a blind eye to some based on traffic or ratings.
Even someone posted about having their dog or cat on cam. I couldn't do that here at all. Once my cat showed up in my backround I got an immediate alert to get him out of the screen view. I'm not nude when he shows up either so that's not the issue.
As I said I can't be mad at other models that get away with it. There was even a girl negotiating sex in person all in free chat. Did anyone say anything to her? Nope plus I'm not a rat either but still if you're going to do that take it private. It's bad enough I get asked to meet up for sex on that site more than any other site I've ever cammed on.
cherryblossomsinspring
05-19-2013, 01:55 AM
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if that's the case Naked really needs to make that known to every model because like I said, very recently I have seen a girl playing music and an admin came into her room and told her she needs to turn it off. Why would they do that if music is now okay? Also, I asked Fabio upthread a few months ago and he said very explicitly that it is not allowed. If they're going to start changing the rules they need to send a mass memo.
As far as copyright claims, SOPA, PIPA, and CISPA. That's all I have to say about that, and I think naked is very smart for preventing problems before they happen. As the law stands right now a station that publicly performs any copyrighted song without the proper licenses can be held liable for damages up to $30,000 — or in extreme cases up to $150,000 — for each song played without authorization. (http://www.splc.org/knowyourrights/legalresearch.asp?id=112) Is that likely to happen? No. Is it possible? Yes.
The whole Sopa pipa thing I don't really feel applies to camming. If you have a radio station on then anyone that puts that station on will hear the same music. I think the alternative is making the guys turn on the station, put yours on, mute all sound and hope the hell there isn't lag when you're dancing to the song.
The only real issue is if someone records you and puts up your video lets say " on a tube site" then that's where things become and issue. This is the only real issue I see happening for some of the bigger cam girls on the site have tube vids.
CourtneyRaine
05-19-2013, 10:50 AM
^Call me paranoid (okay, I KNOW I am paranoid!) but with file sharing sites getting shut down for copyright infringement I am so not trying to risk it. I remember January before last when SOPA/PIPA first started being talked about as it pertains to camming and everyone becoming really cautious. I was on SM at the time via a studio and when I expressed concern the studio owner advised me to not play music at all whatsoever to protect myself. At first I think a lot of girls were really diligent about that and because most of us find it so much easier to work with background noise and nothing was really happening, girls (myself included) became complacent.
And thanks for letting me know about the pet thing, I always wondered if naked is strict about that. I never let my cat on cam but sometimes he gets a bit screamy when he wants my attention so you can definitely hear him in the background at certain times of night. And when I don't give him attention he will hop up on the bed, walk behind me to the other end of the bed, and hop off- because he is smart and he knows it bugs me when he does that :) Little booger :P I've never had anyone say anything because when he walks across the cam it only ever lasts for about three seconds and it happens maybe once every few weeks, but I'll make an effort to shoo him away if he's looking mischievous.
MissSassyPickles
05-19-2013, 02:26 PM
Regarding SOPA, PIPA & the new CISPA, the issue is that no one really knows for certain what the effects could be. The issue is that they are written to be so opened ended and up for interpretation that there is a huge risk of sites shutting down for ridiculous reasons. THAT is why people don't want them passed. And think about this: what type of sites would be prime targets for people trying to shut down? Porn sites. Something to think consider. Right now it's all speculation but it is something that could really effect cam girls.
Read more in my thread here: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?181860-CISPA-is-back-Camgirls-this-effects-YOU-You-need-to-protect-your-privacy
Anabelle
05-20-2013, 04:31 PM
On the music note: I pay a fee to use a "business" version of pandora which is reimbursed by the bar that I work at. (I control the music via my iPod while I'm at work bartending) This is the same music that I use on all my cam sites in order to avoid these copyright issues, Naked included. It can be repetitive at times, depending on your "station" settings, but you've paid to use the music on a public, international basis. I'm not sure if this is why I've "gotten away" with playing music all the time but if it's not an acceptable "workaround" to the rule, then it absolutely should be and I suggest it to anyone who makes a substantial proportion of their income via camming! I've really embraced Naked lately, appreciate their quick and reliable payments, etc., so I sincerely hope that this "music workaround" continues to work for me and can be used by others.
I've tried to cam without music and it's absolutely miserable!! ..especially if you like to dance! I don't think I could work in silence. It's just too awkward and feels uncomfortable.
Just a suggestion!
laurielegs
05-21-2013, 06:03 PM
That's nice that you are paying and compensating the artists for their music that way, however the real issue is that the site does not allow it, and those who ignore that are really at an unfair advantage. I do wish the site would enforce their own rules.
kittykrane
05-23-2013, 12:33 PM
Ummm...I just read the message about chargebacks. Are they saying that we are now subject to chargebacks on Naked? And how are we supposed to tell which privates are fraud so we can report them??!! That doesn't even make sense...we never know who is a sheister until we get a chargeback! How do you even define "fraudulent behavior"?
I really don't want to deal with another site like IMLIVE and their infamous chargeback policy. :(
CourtneyRaine
05-23-2013, 12:47 PM
For those of you who didn't see the email:
"Hey All,
On a go forward basis, we will be removing model's portion of any member charge back. A member charge back is usually the result of fraud (but can also be because the member was not satisfied). This is an important step for us to take so that we can all work together to minimize fraud and make naked.com the best site out there!
There is a new column in your stats called "adjustments." We will use this column to reflect any adjustment made to your account. This will include all fraud charge back deductions, and any bonuses you may have received. Your adjustment amount will deduct or add onto your model payout. Please keep in mind that charge backs can sometimes take several months to go through, so the deductions you see may be from privates that happens in the past.
The important thing for everyone to remember is REPORT FRAUD AND SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR. We if can prevent a charge back, everyone wins! Be active in reporting fraud and closing out privates you know are fraud. Feel free to write in or call in any time with questions or if you need tips."
What. The. Actual. Fuck. So they're not only going to deduct your pay for fraudulent credit card transactions, but also if "the member was not satisfied"????? How is this supposed to make the site better???? I can just see it now, a guy will repeatedly ask a model in private to do anal who clearly says she doesn't do anal, he continues with the show anyway, and at the end request a refund because he wasn't satisfied. Or a guy will tip for a pussy flash and then say he wants his money back because he it didn't look the way he thought it would and he's not satisfied. Fucking bastards.
I am just curious why this is coming now? Is naked losing so much money that this is a desperate attempt to recoup some losses? I'd rather them get rid of that daily contest bonus than punish us all like this. Hell, I'd even rather they lower the % slightly and continue protecting us from chargebacks. I'm sorry but when I go to work and do my job I expect to get PAID for that job, especially a job as potentially damaging as getting naked on the internet. This is why I've never worked for a site with charge backs, and why I will officially be transitioning away from naked. What a shame.
kittykrane
05-23-2013, 12:53 PM
^^^ I'll probably be joining you then...I don't make a ton of money on NAKED, but the 50% was nice...Yes, I'd rather have 40% too every week and NO BONUSES just to work for a site that doesn't have chargebacks. It's very concerning...
And seriously, what kind of "tips" can they offer??? There is absolutely NO WAY to know if a member is going to initiate a chargeback..
ConnyLove
05-23-2013, 01:03 PM
I saw it coming....we were talking about that with Courtney a couple of days ago. They have U$30000 to give away monthly to the same models but now we have to cover chargebacks and unhappy clients.I even think that the whole idea of giving away such a big prizes have brought fraud to the site. Bye bye naked .
kittykrane
05-23-2013, 01:11 PM
^^^ same stuff as IMLIVE...now who is going to want to work for them?? I guess just the ones who get the prizes every month . That will help those models with THEIR chargebacks, but the rest of us just get screwed.... It might be time to haul ass back over to IFRIENDS for the 35% guaranteed payout/no chargebacks and build up my guys again..Only thing I hate there is that you have to have $100 to hit payout.
ConnyLove
05-23-2013, 01:21 PM
^^^ same stuff as IMLIVE...now who is going to want to work for them?? I guess just the ones who get the prizes every month . That will help those models with THEIR chargebacks, but the rest of us just get screwed.... It might be time to haul ass back over to IFRIENDS for the 35% guaranteed payout/no chargebacks and build up my guys again..Only think I hate there is that you have to have $100 to hit payout.
And the worst thing about chargebacks is that you don't know if they are real, as we don't have any contact with the clients , we don't know if they are not happy about a private, we don't know their names / card numbers etc, so when sites pass a chargeback to a model she has no way to know if it is genuine.
laurielegs
05-23-2013, 04:02 PM
I saw it coming....we were talking about that with Courtney a couple of days ago. They have U$30000 to give away monthly to the same models but now we have to cover chargebacks and unhappy clients.I even think that the whole idea of giving away such a big prizes have brought fraud to the site. Bye bye naked .
Well that sucks. They really are becoming another site like ImLive (ImDead).
Definitely they could stop the stupid prizes then and cover the chargebacks that are not the model's fault. Most of the time it's just a viewer who realizes he can get a free show, NOTHING to do with anything the model does.
This is making Streamate look even better to me now.
cherryblossomsinspring
05-24-2013, 12:13 AM
LOL ARE THEY SERIOUS?
The biggest issue I have on naked out of any other site is that many of the guys there are looking for IN PERSON SEX. I have guys take me private just to question me to death about where I am or putting their contact info in the private within the first 5 seconds. Now they want to add chargebacks onto the plate? This site is going to be dead fast. I even worked the holidays and it was a total nightmare. I even saw another model have some guy call her a lying bitch on twitter feed because he found out she's local . Yup bitch was supposed to log off and go fuck him for $150. How dare she! pfft!
First off they changed the site to be just like another MFC when privates were always easy to get. There was only a few models that did free chat shows but the vast majority of members I had didn't have an issue paying for a private. After this an influx of MFC models hit the site and I already knew it was a matter of time before getting privates became extra work. Now no one wants to spend money on privates and would rather tip $2 to show themselves on cam for 30 mins. My c2c rate is higher but I notice the guy will stop playing with himself , talk , play again all to prolong having a quasi private for 1 lousy tip.
The block feature doesn't even work. You block someone log off and they're back in your room. I blocked a guy 33 times in the same night.
Then the whole "charge the guy for im feature" yet don't give the model anything for it. Those IMs have never turned into paying customers. It's always the guy or couples that are shopping for sex for money deals.
Then they got rid of music?
Now I need to get charged back because some loser felt his private was an intro into escorting and of course since I declined his wonderful bareback offer he's going to take his money back? Whoa .
Guess the only way around this is to lie your ass off. Tell all of these men you'll meet up with them in maybe 60 days. Hopefully by then the charge back will be too late to happen.
Via Flaminia
05-24-2013, 10:23 AM
Really sucks to think I could be working for free at any moment. I don't think I can tolerate that so I'll probably leave.
Apparently they have a big fraud/chargeback problem or this wouldn't be happening? I don't know a whole lot about chargebacks (my other site is SM, protecting me from them), I'm sure they happen everywhere, but it's a red flag that they can't (or won't) find another way to deal with it, like the ladies said above.
Geez. I was just starting to make good hourly on the site, and I landed my first whale last week. I'll be sure to take these people with me when I leave.
CourtneyRaine
05-24-2013, 10:32 AM
Definitely they could stop the stupid prizes then and cover the chargebacks that are not the model's fault. Most of the time it's just a viewer who realizes he can get a free show, NOTHING to do with anything the model does.
EXACTLY. I'm sorry but this isn't like some regular store where a customer buys a tangible item, they don't like it, they return it for a refund and the store gets to resell the item to recoup the loss. Once I show you myself naked and masturbating I can't take that back! Now the viewer has gotten the show they want, for free, and I'm out time, money, and I've given up a hugely intimate part of myself? How about no. Ugh, this just INFURIATES me! I really feel that the only time a chargeback should be given is when the credit card is actually stolen, none of this "member was not satisfied" bullshit. What about models not being satisfied because we're being taken advantage of? Yeah good luck with that, naked. And if a credit card is reported stolen, again, that is NOT my fault. I have no way of knowing that, unless a guy is stupid enough to announce that he's stolen his parent's credit card but would anyone ever do that? No. If I give a service, I need to be paid for that service, especially considering the risk I am taking of being pirated and put on tube sites and having people I know watching me bang myself every single time I go online. This is about as dumb as a waitress serving a huge party, getting tipped $100 cash, then the next week the manager sees the party's check bounced and demands the waitress to give back the $100 she EARNED to help management recoup their losses. Fuck that. Sorry for my language I am just SO heated.
I am especially royally fucked because I can no longer work on SM. Well I can but I am with a studio that REFUSES to release me (tried going through DP too and even they couldn't help me). If I go back to SM I'm going to be stuck with that studio and making only 20%, which means I'd net $60 for every $100 that I would have earned otherwise. But you know what, even that is looking better than naked now because at least that is guaranteed money. It's like I am going to get taken advantage one way, or get taken advantage of another. I had MFC close my account when my cam score dropped into the 400s and if I go back again I'll have to reopen that account with the same horrific cam score. Why can't there be more cam sites that treat their models FAIRLY???
Cherry, I've only been on naked since September and I have noticed it has declined a lot since I first stared, I can't believe how much it sounds like it changed. I don't get an inordinate number of guys asking me for in-person meet ups compared to other sites I've been on so at least I should feel lucky for that. The really fucked up thing is, I actually will do public shows if I reach my goal. I guess I am going to have to stop doing them now. If a guy takes me private and I get a chargeback so I don't get paid that is going to be bad enough. I really am not trying to do a show where 50+ guys are watching me at once and I end up not getting paid. Just trying to minimize my exploitation as much as possible here. My customers are going to be pissed but oh well, I have to protect myself since clearly the site is not doing that.
ETA: Even more fucked up part for me: I can't quit naked entirely just yet since I have a bill that is being automatically being deducted from my CMB Paycard once a month for the next few months. Just a few more months. Fuck. I really need some advice on whether or not to go back to my SM studio, please PM me if you have any input.
Via Flaminia
05-24-2013, 10:41 AM
And if a credit card is reported stolen, again, that is NOT my fault.
Exactly. Business owners know-- it's called the price of doing business. One word. Self-insure.
Only a greedy pig would self-insure like this. I guess I'm heated too, for all the reasons stated above by everyone. I work too hard to have it come to this. The contest winners/teacher's pets/ass kisses will stay on the site, and all of the good performers will leave. Naked will get the site they deserve.
laurielegs
05-24-2013, 10:57 AM
I would consider staying with the site if they offered to cover all chargebacks for a lesser percentage.
Otherwise very soon I will be concentrating on switching to other sites.
ConnyLove
05-24-2013, 10:57 AM
Yes last week there were big fraudulent tips in the room of a girl who was the number 1 of the contest. I really want to hear more about the chargebacks for unsatisfied clients, I think that is a serious matter which needs to be explained in detail. The email was too short and doesn't cover in which cases a client can ask for a refund.
Via Flaminia
05-24-2013, 11:09 AM
Yes last week there were big fraudulent tips in the room of a girl who was the number 1 of the contest. I really want to hear more about the chargebacks for unsatisfied clients, I think that is a serious matter which needs to be explained in detail. The email was too short and doesn't cover in which cases a client can ask for a refund.
I think you are right about the daily contest inviting fraud. I didn't even consider that until you mentioned it yesterday- I was too busy trying to make a living and it never occurred to me. I always found the contest annoying and a total set-up.
kittykrane
05-24-2013, 11:23 AM
Maybe the CB's won't affect us little people? I guess I'll believe it when I see one and then I'll be like "adios muchachos". Is there some kind of rigging going on with the contests that is causing fraudulent activity???
CourtneyRaine
05-24-2013, 11:29 AM
Yes, I think it would be much smarter for them to offer girls: a) 50% with no chargeback protection, or b) a lower % with guaranteed chargeback protection. Doesn't another site do that already? I'd be willing to stay on for a lower % but guaranteed earnings. I mean, SM has an abysmally low 35% but so many girls love the site anyway. But then, SM has a hell of a lot more quality traffic than naked does so they can get away with it.
Something I mentioned to someone in a PM before this announcement of theirs, I didn't want to post this publicly but now that it's a non-issue I might as well: I always kind of wondered how the site would deal with fraud, especially as it pertained to the contest. I mean, what would stop a girl from getting someone she knows to agree to tip her a huge amount one day, charge it all back, and the girl would split her 50% + contest winnings with the person who helped her? I honestly do not know how prevalent chargebacks are but I'd think if one girl has an inordinate number of cb's she should be investigated and dealt with. No need to punish every model! And even that is problematic because how would you *know* the girl is being deceitful? What if it's a fan of hers who genuinely wants to spend a lot on her but then gets buyer's remorse, or maybe his wife founds out and he has to lie and say it wasn't him who bought credits on a cam site, his card was stolen, refund! I guess my point is even if something looks suspicious, if it is a one time huge amount in question there is really no way of knowing if the girl is a scammer or an innocent victim.
CourtneyRaine
05-24-2013, 11:34 AM
Is there some kind of rigging going on with the contests that is causing fraudulent activity???
That is honestly something I wonder myself. I had never even heard a whisper about chargebacks or fraudulent activity until very recently. I do have a friend who is a first row model on there who won hundreds of $s in a contest once and I know she'd never rig it, she worked her butt of that week putting in crazy hours, but that was when the contests were still weekly. Maybe the thought of $500 extra a day got some people thinking a little deviously? Who knows. It does just seem odd to me that so many changes are happening now.