View Full Version : So frustrated with OHC.
FelixGirl
05-06-2012, 12:41 AM
Wow, I would love it if you pasted the link to her "excuses"...
ClassyBabe
05-06-2012, 01:54 AM
I'm sure Violet has a reason why she is like that. I trusted Abbie, for a long time. She is really good at telling you what you want to hear...
o0Pepper0o
05-06-2012, 05:16 PM
you'd have to join the forum and also get model approval to get to the model part of said forum to hear her response
In short she said that shes worked with Violet for many years, paid her rent when she couldn't, paid a limo tab of 900 for her at an event a few years ago where she took pills and alcohol and i assume puked all over the limo and passed out...ect ect talked about Violets character and how she's not surprised she turned on her but is definitely hurt by it because of all the things she did to help her career.
I mean it's just she said he said but Abbie said nothing of anything until mud started getting slung and only to those of us from OHC on the new SAM thread.
Look I don't know Abbie.. I've been in this bizz for only a few months now. I'm a fast learner, but that by no means gives me the ability to divine who was in the wrong.
Either way OHC is back up as well as OHCTV [sean got to keep them when they did lawyer split fun] and as for Abbie and the money? Shes in the US and OHC models get paid out from Canada. So she couldn't touch the money. She unwisely but Leigh and Sean in charge of it. To me, even if Abbie IS untrustworthy, that says she's at least not lying about not being able to do much about the money itself. It's her money as well. I'd be pissed.
roast
05-06-2012, 06:21 PM
Money is transmitted electronically regularly - money knows no country borders in the 21st century. Her being in another country is a strange excuse for technologically sound performers to just accept?
As joint-owner of a business banking account, her name would be on the banking account as someone who could access it - you cant just transfer ownership of a bank account with just a password. If she formally signed over control, that is worrisome in of itself of her decisionmaking ability bc it means something went wrong - but she shouldve stepped down as co-owner if that is true? So, why didnt she.
Asides from that, her professionalism and boundaries are important to question - not how it was nice of her to help out a struggling performer? This is the adult industry - self-interest is king? Was she helping other models who were struggling or just her top ones. Probably just the latter because tbf all of her actions of giving (if it is true) this model money are driven by self-interest:
1. you cant have one of your top performers homeless or it'll: a. ruin your brand as being a upscale & financially successful site. b. your top performer who works at home wont be able to work. so it is in her best interest to keep her housed.... so she works.
2. you cant bring one of your top performers to an adult entertainment event and not provide transportation, if you do, it is on you as the boss to pay for it? her bringing up a limo bill seems strange if she needed that model for promotional purposes. I doubt anyone put a gun to her head to say "buy a limo"?
3. adult conventions are full of partying, it is how people often network. that model getting drunk seems irrelevant to why performers never got paid?
An adult webmaster giving these excuses on some clandestine site that she runs that you have to be verified to even see (when she must be well aware she is being torn apart on a bunch of forums) should reallllllly raise your bullshit detector. If I were to guess she started this site to collect the models who still believed her - and her explanations are full of no professional explanations or screenshots or quarterly earnings reports or anything and just a lot of martyrdom of a sweet kind maternal figure? Give it a few months and a new site will be launched by her, probably with all of these model's capital.
IDK I know you said youve only bee working a few months - but she was an adult webmaster who ran a site for a number of years. Aboveall, she was your boss. If she made poor financial decisions and blames others for them somewhere where those ppl cant defend themselves and shows no proof - she is giving you her own performance review that she lacks professionalism and business sese. Basically her excuses alone should raise your heckles. A story to tear at your heartstrings is something to share between friends - not from employer to employee. In no other work environment would "I gave this drunk so much money selflessly, she used me, and I cant even access the money to pay you all even though I used to be able to as co-owner but randomly decided to give up control to others" be acceptable?
Ive seen site owners try to get close to performers or appeal to model's emotions to excuse poor business behavior and often women fall for it way too fast because we're socialized to be overly empathic. Some people exploit this strategically (even other women). If all of this is true: why didnt she leave earlier?
Why not ask this model for a loanrepayment? Why not leave after she lost control of the banking info? If she knew the site was in poor hands and she kept giving up more and more control or she was making bad decisions she couldve just left the company before things got this bad? Why wait until now after things blew up to make her own forum, make excuses, etc? OHC was being accused of shady behavior for awhiiiiiile, so if she is mentioning these signs of bad things to come (giving a model $ and not being surprised that mode would 'turn', giving up banking info) why not bail out earlier? Why did it all have to come to a head *now* when OHC didnt have the clearest reputation beforehand? If Sean/Leigh werent trustworthy, how did she know them? Why even get into business with them originally? Why work with them for so long? What was the falling out over? Why did models have to chase their money before and that was OK but suddenly she decided it was unacceptable?
Like, has she addressed problems models had within the past few years at all or is it just about this kerfuffle? If she knew she was making bad decisions - why did she make them and is only excusing it now? You cant be both super wise and super naive simultaneously and yet still manage to have no room for wrongdoing, something is off. Why go to such great lengths to position yourself that way?
IDK give it a few months and she'll be asking you guys for money to launch a new venture - it sounds like she is priming you guys for a hustle. Having her own forum to talk to you all in a way that google cannot index seems even weirder.
I guess what Im getting at is: dont believe everything someone is telling you especially if they will only do it privately. I feel like people get scammed a LOT in this industry, and here is someone who had a part in the latest mega-fuckup and she is saying basically none of it was her fault and she was dicked over just like all of you.... if you read profiles of cults and other scams, I mean, it hits all of the marks: 1. Im just like you (familiarity) 2. In fact Ill tell you a secret (making you all feel special) someone you all knew took advantage of me (destroy one of your heroes) 3. Only we can discuss this here together away from prying eyes (transparency) in our own little community (exclusivity)
IDK, maybe extreme and perhaps Im way too cynical (probably) - I feel like camgirls get hustled a lot and it sucks. I cant know if this is true or false (just like you said) just trying to cast some doubt on your or anyone believing this wholesale -- just trying to add in some healthy skepticism and a reminder that this was a business, not a charity? Sorry if this sounds condescending Im just basically trying to say: just be careful out there?
(Note: I am not saying I know anything beyond what most already know or am I displacing blame from her co-owners who have very obvious responsibility or even that I know she is fibbing--- just that this situation just seems too shady)
The bottom line in this biz as well as the vanilla entertainment world is money talks and bullshit walks. You are only as good as your last project. There are no friends in business. Don't take that to be cold it just means take everything that's not in a contract with a grain of salt and remember people are looking out for themselves. I learned this in the corporate world and it applies here. I have been with my girl for five years and we still sign contracts when we do anything together. You can love a person in this business but don't for one second take your eye off your money. At best Abbie has demonstrated decision making skills that are NOT good. I wouldn't want to work for anyone who made that many mistakes where my money was concerned. She might be the sweetest person in the world but if she can't run a business she can't.
vanillamist
05-06-2012, 07:25 PM
When looking into all of this I came across a discussion on another forum in which forum members discussed how Abbie used to pretend to be a smokin' hot Egyptian-descent camgirl and would stream a totally different person's webcam... but then she slipped up somewhere and it was revealed that she was faking the whole time and is really a middle-aged fake liar. Googling her name brings up tons of interesting drama and goodies from over the years. Check out CamWithCarmen's freeones thread as well. Lots of shit gone down in there about Abbie.
o0Pepper0o
05-06-2012, 08:57 PM
ok, this is what she wrote, and btw I'm not a gullible lil lady. I actually don't trust any women at all. I have HUGE issues with women in general and actually feel pretty bummed out that I was born a female at times as in my experience most women are catty/manipulative/shallow
I by no means just "believe" her, but at the same time I certainly don't automatically "not believe" her. She was nice enough to let us all know what was happening and to grab our payment info [screenshows] before Sean took it all down.
Anyways, i digress, this is what she said:
I just want to clarify a few things. I never wanted to get into public drama, but there are so many inaccuracies flying around right now.
I long had suspicions about accounting practices going on within the OHC / LCC company. Because the bank accounts were in Canada and I am in the USA, I never really was able to be hands on in that aspect other than being able to look up things. That is my fault for not being more proactive in that area.
Over the last few months more and more complaints came in about affiliate pay, model pay, and other bills. It gradually became worse and I finally got to the point where I decided to dig a bit deeper into things late last month. I was able to print copies of our bank statements and discovered some very concerning things. As a result of my findings, I hired an attorney (Marc Randazza) to help me weed through all of this BS and I left the company.
If I had the ability to pay people back when I started having concerns about the problems, I would have done so. However, the banking stuff was in Canada as I mentioned. I could log into the account, view things, do EMT payments, but not wires or ADP (only Sean had access to the ADP software). To the people who are in doubt saying that I am blaming Sean for what is my doing, you are wrong. I have the bank statements to prove it.
I realize people are angry and upset. They are legitimately owed money. I have been trying to work out a resolution with Sean, but am finally to the point where I'm done trying.
I am retaining control over xoEve, CamWithCarmen, VeronicasVice, CamerellaCams, Luxxxie, SweetVic, and my own SAM projects. Sean is retaining LiveCamCash, OnHerCam, OnHerCam.tv, OnHerCamNetwork, GotGisele, and Viorotica. I am in the process of moving my stuff off his servers. All other outstanding matters will have to go through the legal system. I'm just worn out on the public lynching and assumptions.
By no means am I giving up at all. I'm a tough girl. And these things motivate me to work even harder. These things will pass.
It's a tough time, especially when you see models you used to work with and helped out bashing on you. I get that they are mad as well. But I have also gone above and beyond with some girls....helped girls pay mortgages, helped with legal matters, paying a $900 limo bill after one popped pills and got drunk and puked all over, etc. When I am in a position to help, I always have and will continue to do so. I certainly wish I could do more right now.
This is really all I have to say about things. I'll let things play out via the courts. I'm not asking anyone to trust me. That takes time. But I do believe actions speak louder than words and I will continue to produce awesomeness online despite what others may think.
IMVioletDoll
05-07-2012, 12:39 AM
you'd have to join the forum and also get model approval to get to the model part of said forum to hear her response
In short she said that shes worked with Violet for many years, paid her rent when she couldn't, paid a limo tab of 900 for her at an event a few years ago where she took pills and alcohol and i assume puked all over the limo and passed out...ect ect talked about Violets character and how she's not surprised she turned on her but is definitely hurt by it because of all the things she did to help her career.
I mean it's just she said he said but Abbie said nothing of anything until mud started getting slung and only to those of us from OHC on the new SAM thread.
Look I don't know Abbie.. I've been in this bizz for only a few months now. I'm a fast learner, but that by no means gives me the ability to divine who was in the wrong.
Either way OHC is back up as well as OHCTV [sean got to keep them when they did lawyer split fun] and as for Abbie and the money? Shes in the US and OHC models get paid out from Canada. So she couldn't touch the money. She unwisely but Leigh and Sean in charge of it. To me, even if Abbie IS untrustworthy, that says she's at least not lying about not being able to do much about the money itself. It's her money as well. I'd be pissed.
I won't be too hard on you, because I know how manipulative Abbie can be. . .
Let's just clear some things up though, shall we? Abbie has never paid my bills. She's never given me money outside of what I was owed for my work.
Did I pass out after taking my prescription pills and having a few drinks while at an adult industry event? Yes. It happened. I'm not ashamed, and I don't feel like that one night of my life sums up my character. A lot of girls end up getting drunk at these events unfortunately. There's random webmasters and affiliates pouring drinks down models throats. And although Abbie had a rule that we were never to attend an event without her, (because of quote "poaching webbies" and for safety reasons) I never saw her stepping in when things got out of hand. And uhh. . . models were always charged expense fees out of their checks for these trips. So I'm pretty sure that I paid my part for that limo. lol
I could elaborate on that a lot more, but I won't bother. I take full responsibility for what happened that night. I can't handle my liquor. I was also at least 10 lbs under weight at that time of my life due to on going health problems. Add that to exhaustion from the traveling, and dehydration from the dry heat in AZ, it was really irresponsible for me to even have one drink that night. I spent 12 hours in the hospital and ended up with massive bills. I find it more despicable that Abbie is using that sad moment of my life to sum up who I am. It has absolutely nothing to do with my work ethic, or the reason we parted ways business wise. I left viorotica.com and OHC last year, because it was clear that I was being stolen from. I'm not the only model who chose to leave for the same reason.
You mentioned yourself that you don't know her. Let's see how you feel after you've known her for 6 years like I have. She's sitting in her private forums trying to get girls on her side, because she'd be ripped apart by many the people she's screwed over in this industry if she attempted to defend herself in public. I don't think anything I've done should be considered "slinging mud". I'm only stating the truth. I haven't stooped to name calling or lies. She on the other hand has hacked models twitter accounts, deleted her own twitter, and basically gone into hiding. And she's telling lies to defend herself, but that's typical Abbie.
I can't put 6 years of history with this woman into one post. I need to read through the rules here more thoroughly, but I have links I could share as well. If it's allowed.
IMVioletDoll
05-07-2012, 01:35 AM
When looking into all of this I came across a discussion on another forum in which forum members discussed how Abbie used to pretend to be a smokin' hot Egyptian-descent camgirl and would stream a totally different person's webcam... but then she slipped up somewhere and it was revealed that she was faking the whole time and is really a middle-aged fake liar. Googling her name brings up tons of interesting drama and goodies from over the years. Check out CamWithCarmen's freeones thread as well. Lots of shit gone down in there about Abbie.
True. I worked with her when she was young, thin, Egyptian "Abbie Sadek, real name Tahirah", with only one son and working for CWH. Why I worked with her after I found out she lied about who she was in order to get a guy to fall for her and make her partner of his company, well. . . shame on me. Desperate times.
She used photos and videos of some girl for years, no one knows who the girl was. Made up an entirely different life. She's just like all of those weirdos around the net who steal photos of more interesting, more attractive people to run fake profiles for attention. Only she's worse than that. I used to think it was just sad. I felt bad that she was so unhappy with herself that she had to pretend to be someone else, but now I see it as dangerous. She's hurt too many people. She is a pathological liar to the extent of it being frightening.
ClassyBabe
05-07-2012, 04:56 AM
She is manipulative. And I felt allways bad when I had this thought about her, because she looked like a caring person, who really wants the girls around her to be happy. Now I know she just tries to emotionaly effect you.
She was prepared for this leaving. For us, she promised positive changes and traffic, just to keep us there on empty ohc. I was also preparing myself for leaving , because I could see what's going on and I gave myself 2 month to see if something positive will happen or not. Maybe it's our destiny was, that this all happened. Anyway I remember she told us to start advertise lcc and the solo models sites (I knew that these solo models already left but she said, don't care about it just advertise). Then she told us, we made some killing money with these affiliate programs. This money has dissapeared.
BUT she had money to make this (quite proffesional looking) video
http://www.freecamsexposed.com/122/?r=1008862.5.GR.34.blog
Then she started her own projects, concentrating on outside things, instead of OHC. Which is ok, I understand ,but still then pay the girls from those money that you make outside of ohc! You were the owner!
"Over the last few months more and more complaints came in about affiliate pay, model pay, and other bills."
I don't know what to say, as I see there were allways problems with model pay especially when the girls left ohc. Why is that? Revenge? Or probably ohc was already having financial problems and payed the active girls from those money who left? Is that a normal behavior for a company??
"I long had suspicions about accounting practices going on within the OHC / LCC company. Because the bank accounts were in Canada and I am in the USA, I never really was able to be hands on in that aspect other than being able to look up things. That is my fault for not being more proactive in that area."
She was the owner but she didn't know what's going on with the most important part of the business: the money!!?? And we should believe that? Girls were writting all the time on forum, that they don't get answers from payment. LCC checks were dissapearing all the time, from the beginning.
She is smart, experienced and has been in this internet business for years, I don't believe that she is tricked and naiv or just made mistake. The end.
And from now on I'm going to concantrate on my own business and watch the secret and attract money :P, because this shit just takes my energy. Actually I'm lucky because I didn't loose too much :)
o0Pepper0o
05-07-2012, 11:44 AM
hmm...interesting.
Well either way thanks for the added info ladies ^-^
IMVioletDoll
05-07-2012, 12:31 PM
She is manipulative. And I felt allways bad when I had this thought about her, because she looked like a caring person, who really wants the girls around her to be happy. Now I know she just tries to emotionaly effect you.
She was prepared for this leaving. For us, she promised positive changes and traffic, just to keep us there on empty ohc. I was also preparing myself for leaving , because I could see what's going on and I gave myself 2 month to see if something positive will happen or not. Maybe it's our destiny was, that this all happened. Anyway I remember she told us to start advertise lcc and the solo models sites (I knew that these solo models already left but she said, don't care about it just advertise). Then she told us, we made some killing money with these affiliate programs. This money has dissapeared.
BUT she had money to make this (quite proffesional looking) video
Then she started her own projects, concentrating on outside things, instead of OHC. Which is ok, I understand ,but still then pay the girls from those money that you make outside of ohc! You were the owner!
"Over the last few months more and more complaints came in about affiliate pay, model pay, and other bills."
I don't know what to say, as I see there were allways problems with model pay especially when the girls left ohc. Why is that? Revenge? Or probably ohc was already having financial problems and payed the active girls from those money who left? Is that a normal behavior for a company??
"I long had suspicions about accounting practices going on within the OHC / LCC company. Because the bank accounts were in Canada and I am in the USA, I never really was able to be hands on in that aspect other than being able to look up things. That is my fault for not being more proactive in that area."
She was the owner but she didn't know what's going on with the most important part of the business: the money!!?? And we should believe that? Girls were writting all the time on forum, that they don't get answers from payment. LCC checks were dissapearing all the time, from the beginning.
She is smart, experienced and has been in this internet business for years, I don't believe that she is tricked and naiv or just made mistake. The end.
And from now on I'm going to concantrate on my own business and watch the secret and attract money :P, because this shit just takes my energy. Actually I'm lucky because I didn't loose too much :)
Haha. She's still trying to make money off of mine and Gisele's former sites. And shes posting explicit photos of my vagina all over public forums and her tumblr in order to get sales. It was stated in our contract that she was not allowed to do this. I was to have say in what photos went public, and those photos were for members only. Then again, they broke our contract from the beginning by not paying me on time and taking random "expenses" out of my pay. :-\
Both Sean and Abbie were sending DMCA notices to Facebook and MyFreeCams very recently, over photos that were self shot in my own home! I have the forwarded Emails as evidence. Why would she do something like that if she has nothing to do with LCC/viorotica.com? If she's trying to make Sean look like the only crook in this fiasco, she's doing a very poor job.
vanillamist
05-07-2012, 06:44 PM
@IMVioletDoll - pretty sure the Terms on LiveCamCash say that affiliates are NOT ALLOWED to post explicit content (nude only, but not explicit) and further more never ever allowed to post Carmen topless and yet... your explicit content is being shown, as well as plenty of pictures of Carmen topless. Furthermore on FreeOnes Abbie was always adamant at making sure Carmen's content was removed from there if it violated her terms (ie: people begging for nudes/vag shots). Now video clips from her private shows are being posted and no one is giving a damn.
Smh. Abbie has always been nice to me... but after all of this started happening and doing some futher googling around... it's just smoke and mirrors.
IMVioletDoll
05-25-2012, 02:14 PM
If you want the truth about Abbie Sadek/Jennifer Redheart, look no further than these threads.
IQ is private, but worth reading if you make an account. Abbie basically showed up, lied some more, and ran away once she was called out. She's yet to appear on GFY, (probably because it's public).
She can hide behind SAM all she wants. The truth is out. I feel for her current models. :(
ashiepants
05-25-2012, 02:40 PM
If you want the truth about Abbie Sadek/Jennifer Redheart, look no further than these threads.
http://m.gfy.com/showthread.php?&t=1066869
http://iq69.com/t49452-p10-livecamcashcom-is-dead.html
IQ is private, but worth reading if you make an account. Abbie basically showed up, lied some more, and ran away once she was called out. She's yet to appear on GFY, (probably because it's public).
She can hide behind SAM all she wants. The truth is out. I feel for her current models. :(
I just read the gfy thread...Luc's involved in all of this too? :( I love Luc, was such a cool guy, hung out on a few occasions as friends... blah :/
IMVioletDoll
05-25-2012, 02:44 PM
Hi Ashleigh. :)
I'm not totally sure. I'm just going by what I was told on that. To be fair, he's probably a paid admin. Maybe he followed Abbie for income. I agree, he's a cool guy.
thearaxie
06-08-2012, 08:23 AM
Just putting this out here, for girls on this thread who used OHC. It seems whomever is running the site now is charging all the old credit cards/bank accounts on file. If you get any messages about this, just tell the customer to chargeback through their back.
Decalyn
06-08-2012, 08:38 AM
Just putting this out here, for girls on this thread who used OHC. It seems whomever is running the site now is charging all the old credit cards/bank accounts on file. If you get any messages about this, just tell the customer to chargeback through their back.
OTL
What a mess.
FelixGirl
06-15-2012, 10:02 PM
Yikes, OnHerCam.com looks weird now. It has a ton of girls "online" but it looks like its a studio for some other camsite or something...
Thanks of the info Violet and Araxie.
It's sad how things unfolded with OHC.
la petite sexy
06-17-2012, 03:08 PM
I wanted to say this in like page one of this thread and never did. I think it's time for a class action lawsuit. I'm not really familiar with how that works but I'm sure if all the former models put their heads together we can figure it out. Where's Pornlaw???
vanillamist
06-24-2012, 11:41 AM
The plot thickens:
Today, Abbie Sadek's number one model "Evelyn Cates" (aka xoEve) tweeted that she is "holding off on a new solo site or working on my old one". Both the old (xoeve.com) and new (evelyncates.com) were to be owned by Abbie Sadek.
Maybe Evelyn is finally seeing the light?!
FelixGirl
10-08-2012, 08:59 PM
Woah double woah dafuq, I was going through who xogisele's people who she follows because I was looking for interesting twitters... and I found something interesting alright!
Apparently Abbie Sadek has inspired a twitter to calling her out on the scams!
https://twitter.com/abbiesadeklies
and it links to a tumblr
http://abbiesadeklies.tumblr.com/whoisabbie
CRAZY!
FelixGirl
10-08-2012, 09:10 PM
http://abbiesadeklies.tumblr.com/ this is the right link, crazy! crazy! crazy!
catgirl
10-09-2012, 06:18 PM
abbie is making new sites- sweet ass models and sweet ass angels. sweet ass angels has old content of violet, gisele etc.. kinda sad really, she's just trying to get as much money off of that content/those sites as she can. looks like she made a new site for eve- knowing how abbie is, she probably made one anyway, even after eve told her not to.
are these girls so desperate for solo sites that they just don't care? sheesh
EvilChick1989
10-11-2012, 05:33 AM
Lmfao that's what Abby looks like? This bitch wouldn't let bbws on her site and she looks like that? Lmfao I'm sorry I just had to add that. What a pig both mentally and physically!
BlasianBytch
10-11-2012, 08:56 PM
Lmfao that's what Abby looks like? This bitch wouldn't let bbws on her site and she looks like that? Lmfao I'm sorry I just had to add that. What a pig both mentally and physically!
well, I found a lot of chicks like her in the biz are there to live vicariously through others... it would make her feel like shit to see girls her size be desired when she doesn't feel she is. I see it all the time. :O
la petite sexy
10-16-2012, 11:45 AM
Any updates on what's going on with the site/who owns it? I want my content removed!!
vanillamist
10-16-2012, 04:33 PM
I doubt you will ever have your content removed unless you hire some class action lawyers.
Gisele and Violet are not at all involved with the new SweetAssModels crap, but SAM is promoting like they are. CamWithCarmen has said many times live on cam that she is not affiliated with any website at all, but Abbie and SAM maintain that she is a part of CarmenBella.com.
CamerellaCams/Busty Camerella IS with camerellacams.com and bustycamerella.com. Eve Cates/xoEve IS a part of the new website as well as xoeve.com because she is actively promoting it on her own tumblr/twitter/myfreecams room.
I was banned from the SAM forums (not that I was even an active participant ever) because I posted about the Gisele/Violet situation on my tumblr and how they're not a part of SAM, lol hilarious. Violet seems to be done with solo sites (for now?) but Gisele is now xoGisele.com and it will be going live soon.
No idea what's going on with some of the others like Ari Dee and Elouise Please, though I know Ari announced she was "getting a solo site" over a year ago and there's still nothing at all to show for it. Sweet Victoria is now, apparently, Victoria Rayne and she is "getting a solo site" too but who knows.
vanillamist
10-16-2012, 04:36 PM
There's also this:
http://adult-industry-thieves.tumblr.com/
ClassyBabe
10-27-2012, 12:37 AM
abbie is making new sites- sweet ass models and sweet ass angels. sweet ass angels has old content of violet, gisele etc.. kinda sad really, she's just trying to get as much money off of that content/those sites as she can. looks like she made a new site for eve- knowing how abbie is, she probably made one anyway, even after eve told her not to.
are these girls so desperate for solo sites that they just don't care? sheesh
I sent them two email. I asked Abbie to remove my profile. They just made a profile for me on that site without asking me, and now nobody answers my messages!!!!! Fuck Abbie! I'm very angry. I'm sure she also didn't ask Giselle or Violet or the other girls. How she dare to do that?!
bubblegumbitch
10-27-2012, 07:28 AM
i cant believe that i had actually considered signing up with these creeps a year ago, glad i didnt. it seems like anyone who signed up for OHC and/or worked on projects with abbie has been screwed over by them simply keeping and re-selling your content and/or not paying. i think a class action lawsuit would be the only way for you girls to come together to get ur money back and content removed. maybe gisele and violet cant cuz when they signed her contract, they were selling they're rights away to her? did you guys sign a contract with this site? does it specifically say owning and re-selling content even if you were to quit the site? you guys should seriously be lawyering up if possible. she owes someone over 3k here on the board! i would be seriously be looking into the legalities if thats the case. she is a ripoff artist and will keep doing it until enough ppl get word of her scumminess and not work with her anymore. i would at least be speaking to a lawyer if i were you gals.
SpencerS
10-27-2012, 10:16 AM
This is a long thread and I'm not sure if this has already been discussed or figured out but on the first page girls were talking about not getting their pay checks until 90 days after they leave. From what I know about being an Indie contractor for various music companies, here is California law regarding paychecks:
Employees who quit without giving prior notice must be paid their wages within 72 hours. Employees who provide at least 72 hours notice of their intention to quit must be paid their wages on their final workday.
If the employer does not comply with California law, former employees are eligible to compensation in the form of penalties paid by the employer. For every day that final wages are not completely paid, the employer is liable for penalty wages equivalent to the employee’s daily wage, up to a maximum of 30 days.
You girls realize you can sue correct? If you have not received your paycheck by 72 hours after leaving they are in liable for damages beyond that. Doesn't matter where they are based out of, if they have contractors in different states they must follow the states laws regarding pay for whatever state you live in. Not sure what other states have this law. Also, it stands to reason that in CA, non-compete clauses are irrelevant, therefore I would also check into being paid less if you were on another site, as this would probably also be illegal. IANAL ( although I have been studying law on my own for 10 years) but I know my rights when it comes to shit like this.
I would be happy to provide info regarding whatever state you are in about your paycheck laws and how to write a legal based letter to retrieve your last pay check. No one should be made to wait for money they made.
ShellyConnors
10-27-2012, 12:06 PM
^I don't know much about this, but you say "employees"... camgirls aren't employees of any sites. We're always independent contractors. Does that rule still apply?
SpencerS
10-27-2012, 02:28 PM
Fuck, you're right. It's employee only, I got confused because when I dealt with a situation like this I was mis-classified as an IC. For an IC, you would have to re read your contract. If it states anything about payments, like lets say it states " You will be paid every friday" your last check must be paid to you on the friday you were supposed to receive it. If there is a clause about holding last payments then you have to abide by that. Otherwise, if there is nothing about when you will be paid, technically speaking they could hold that check as long as they want. If there is a copy of the contract floating around I will happily review it for you. Otherwise, you would have to take them to small claims court, which I assume would be next to impossible because if you won't live in the same state, you'll be doing a lot of traveling for something that may not pan out. Also, serving said company can be tricky especially if the people running the site are shady. Furthermore, there may be a clause in your contract about legal issues, so if you lose in small claims you might have to pay them for time and effort and any cost associated with it. If however the money is over $5k, that will then go to criminal court and you're gonna need to pony up for a lawyer.
before you do anything, refer to your contract. If you have reason to believe they have broken said contract after that, you should fire off a legally worded letter citing breech of contract issues, not just through email but a registered letter with delivery confirmation to whomever is listed as the owner of said business. Give them 30 days to comply, if no response it's time for small claims. The letter shows you're serious and a lot of the time it's enough to scare the pants off someone, especially trolls like this bitch who think they can't be found.
loveshooks
10-27-2012, 02:36 PM
^^^^edit: we were writing at the same time :)
but yeah, you're right. There are a ton of factors involved in deciding whether it's worth it to sue, but state/federal employment laws aren't one of them. Employment statutes pertaining to employees generally don't cover independent contractors
Also keep in mind that the laws of one's state/nation aren't relevant to any potential lawsuit. The venue needs to be the state in which the company was registered, and the laws of that venue will prevail. You also need to determine who you can actually sue, and the laws of the venue are important in this as well.
I learned alot about this topic over the summer due to my situation with my old cam site. In my case I decided it's worth it to pursue, but I couldn't make an educated decision on that until I knew exactly how the law would be applied in my specific circumstances. I really suggest all of y'all do the same. Since so many of you were ripped off and are dealing with your content being used without your involvement, band together and research what your options entail.
Thieves keep stealing until they're stopped. If you're prepared to invest some time (and probably some $$$) you can stop it.
Feel free to PM me for some specific tips on research sources/questions to ask a lawyer/issues to consider if anyone wants em. I'm really sorry to all of y'all who got f%#ked over
SpencerS
10-27-2012, 02:58 PM
FYI: This may help a bit.
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ONHERCAM.COM
Created on: 26-May-08
Expires on: 26-May-13
Last Updated on: 25-Apr-12
Registrant:
21957894 Nevada Inc.
8040 Excelsion DR, STE
Madison, Wisconsin 53717
United States
Administrative Contact:
DeFreitas, Sean
[email protected]
21957894 Nevada Inc.
8040 Excelsion DR, STE
Madison, Wisconsin 53717
United States
+1.4166160187 Fax -- +1.8883678448
Technical Contact:
DeFreitas, Sean
[email protected]
21957894 Nevada Inc.
8040 Excelsion DR, STE
Madison, Wisconsin 53717
United States
+1.4166160187 Fax -- +1.8883678448
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CHOOPADNS.COM
NS2.CHOOPADNS.COM
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
However, a search for "Nevada Inc." in Wisconsin turns up zip, or at least not with names connected to what I've read here, that address pulls up an account firm ( I believe) and the phone number is from Canada. What this tells me is that this is all very underhanded and done in a criminal manner so no one can be found to blame for shit. I'll keep looking but that's my first finding/ thought.
SpencerS
10-27-2012, 03:01 PM
Haha well my mistake kittens, the company is not "Nevada inc." it's "21957894 Nevada inc."
Company Name: 21957894 NEVADA INC.
Status: Active Filing Date: 04/11/2012
Entity Type: Domestic Corporation File Number: E0206882012-0
Filing State: Nevada (NV)
Company Age: 6 Months List Due Date: 04/30/2013
Registered Agent:
Business Filings Incorporated
311 S Division St
Carson City, NV 89703
Lookup Address on Google Maps
SpencerS
10-27-2012, 03:10 PM
TADA! http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=FerWpEVNUP5leGewq0r8sA%253 d%253d&nt7=0
There you go. All you need to know about said business. You will have to contact SEAN DEFREITAS for any legal matter.
SpencerS
10-27-2012, 03:19 PM
Sean also owns http://www.trifectacreations.com/
interesting, a legal document against all the parties, filed in Canada:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CB4QFjAAOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Flegwebmasters.com%2Fforums%2Fatta chment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D75%26d%3D1337843887&ei=gF2MUMqqL4L1iQKMhoHQBA&usg=AFQjCNGd2zGJczUeJT5Y496c0eWpkCkTig
catgirl
10-27-2012, 05:01 PM
dayam- so someone is taking her to court? awesome! it's about damn time!
bubblegumbitch
10-27-2012, 09:26 PM
^ i heard somewhere in another thread (cant find it, err uh) that sean is the one who sued her. (trifecta) is sean. maybe someone can come in here and fill in the blanks on that. (hopefully)
vanillamist
11-03-2012, 01:31 PM
Lots of info here, including Gisele and Violet speaking up:
m.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1066869&page=1
ClassyBabe
11-11-2012, 12:54 AM
Ok, so this is what Abbie wrote about Sean's case:
As you know, I left Trifecta in April 2012 after substantial concerns over accounting and theft by Sean. Sean and Alex decided to tell everyone the fall of Trifecta was my fault, blah blah. What most people didn't know is that we had an Investor (Andrew) and basically formed Great North Online Marketing (aka GNOM). I was always told that Andrew invested $250k into our company. I would learn through this investigation it was more like a million bucks (yes, I typed that correctly).
So anyway, Sean told Andrew that I was the reason for the company collapsing. He said I stole all the money, websites, and all this other shit to try and cover up his substantial fraud. Keep in mind, Sean and accounting was all up in Toronto and I'm down here in Seattle. I had no access to move any money etc from our bank accounts. All I could do was check balances and statements. These statements are actually a portion of what tipped me off to the theft by Sean....in addition to a 1099 that I received in my personal name and social security number from Epoch for six figures ($xxx,xxx.xx) back in January / February.
Andrew sat down with Sean to get Sean's version of events and to help cover his ass, Sean filed that bogus claim against me in Toronto Court. However, due to the substantial paper trail I had, it was rather easy to disprove everything. Not only that, Andrew contacted me directly (Sean never let me talk to Andrew directly and pretty much kept Andrew from me through out our business dealings...everything went through Sean). I found Andrew not to be the bad guy that Sean often wanted me to believe, but a very nice gentleman. I was eager to talk with him and share my side of the story, my findings, etc. I kept every single email, chat log, document, and more over the last 5 years. I opened up every single aspect of those items to Andrew and the investigators. I even had the investigators here in person at my house going over all the emails and documents and chat logs.
So long story short, since about May 2012, there's been an active investigation into Sean and Alex's activities. Because of the investigation, I have been unable to say anything on the matter...even to defend myself against a bunch of malicious lies and BS that some people posted about me. It was hard to sit back and see these things, but the investigation was much more important.
Here's a run down of some what we learned in the investagation.
Sean entered into the investment arrangement with Andrew in 2008 (there used to be a partner named Allen but he left long long ago and fled to China over another lawsuit he and Sean were involved in).
Andrew invested well over $1,000,000.00 over the past few years. Trifecta only saw $250k of that money (that I am aware of, I could be wrong).
Sean lead me to believe GNOM was unhappy with us and produced a document showing that GNOM parted ways with us and we had to pay GNOM back at a rate of $5k mo for the $250k investment. I would learn in the investigation this was forged by Sean. Remember when your pay changed from Great North to Trifecta? This is why.
I would learn that Sean and Alex forged documents for Epoch in my name and an expired ID of mine, but diverted all those funds to the Toronto bank account, thus the 1099 I received for six figures.
Sean wrote numerous checks to himself, Leigh (his brother), Cait (his girlfriend) and Chris Fernandez (who I learned this week is his cousin and the guy behind Sean's new tattoo shop). He wrote checks for his new spa too.
The money Andrew invested originally was to be used for GNOM websites, however, several of the websites funded were Trifecta websites.
Payvision was our primary processor for most of the time. It turns out that Payvision contract is also a forgery by Sean in Andrew's name.
Sean lead Andrew to believe our Payvision account was "frozen" due to high chargebacks. He told Andrew that we had to pay fees and additional payments during this account freeze totaling several thousand dollars a month. This was a lie. Payvision never froze our accounts.
Over the years Sean failed to comply with numerous requests from myself, Andrew and others for a full accounting of our funds and properties. To date, it has never happened.
Sean provided photo shopped Payvision statements to Andrew with false numbers.
Sean fake-hired an attorney named Giles Gosselin out of Barbados to handle the alleged frozen Payvision account (Payvision has dealings in Barbados and all over the world).
Giles Gosselin had substantial email communication with Andrew over several months regarding Payvision.
During the investigation, the REAL Giles Gosslin was located. He had no knowledge of Payvision, any of our companies, etc. The email address used to communicate with Andrew was not owned by him.
The Real Giles Gosselin met with Andrew in person in Toronto over the summer. Giles filed a report with the RCMP about the fraud.
Payvision shut down the account (owned by Alex) after the fraud came to light in July 2012.
Sean also forged a letter to a bank in Andrew's name to merge funds in some bank accounts back in 2011.
Sean provided falsified breakdowns to several of us.
Sean and Alex had complete control over the financial records, processing accounts, computer records, and more.
So because of concerns that Sean et al would potentially destroy records, alter records, etc this action was rushed into court this past Monday. Sean showed up without an attorney. He requested 30 days to obtain counsel. Judge declined and gave him until tomorrow (Sept 14th). In the interim, and order has been placed.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fa3knrsn2r3ojeq/TempOrder.pdf?m
The end
Still this doesn't explain why she is using my content on her site without asking me. Still no answer of course!
vanillamist
11-11-2012, 07:11 PM
Abbie is JUST AS SHADY.
This is not the first time she's been involved with crazy scams. She used to pretend to be a camgirl using the feed of another woman and collecting money off of it.
Never ever trust her. No matter what, honestly.