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Nikki_Fox
08-03-2013, 12:00 PM
thanks given :)
cherryblossomsinspring
08-04-2013, 02:02 AM
Miss_Venture, you already rubbed a lot of us up the wrong way when you took pity on us for being working cam girls, but continuing to rant on this thread in the same way, when a mod here has already stated that it should stay about us working ladies on cam4 and general discussion about it.. you're not giving yourself a good track record, and you actually risk repeating your history by getting into trouble by just ignoring mods wishes.
Would it not at least be better to open up a new thread about your issue? Rather than bringing it here?
You'll be doing yourself a HUGE favor if you keep it short, sweet, and concise.
Use paragraphs and and just don't try to stir things up by hinting at anyone being "pro-cam4" or "biased towards abusive guys" or crap like that.
I don't...
That's exactly why cam4 is not my main site.
Just earlier, on my highest-paying site, I had ONE guy piss me off... He demanded to see my titties. I told him to tip for requests, right as someone else tipped me. He said "Oh look someone else tipped, so now show me your tits". I told that freeloader that I would never show him my titties even if he actually paid me, and promptly banned the fucker.
Actually I wanted to chime in again and yes I'm the same. When I put in over 100 hours into cam4 wanting to make it my main site the members really don't see cam models in the most positive of lights. So unfortunately I had to move on. The hourly cam4 provided was a great incentive to trying out a new site. I was on days for 12 hours trying to figure out what was the best time where spending members would show up. I received everything from " I'm to find models that hate what they do so they can move in with me until they get deported back to their country " to " I'm here to have sex with models in real life but I would never tip them, to of course the " token whore comments" from members that only want to watch and interract for free.
Miss_Venture if you look back in this thread you'll see my very honest comments on my experiences on the site. Cam4 is changing things and many of the members that aren't there to spend on cam shows are a bit upset. I'm used to sites where I don't have to lie to the member and pretend I'm not there to get paid. Other sites the members are fully aware that they are spending money on a service and without that money they will not have that service just like any industry.
With all of that said the bonus was great no other site even offers it also I like the fact that they take the percentage out of what the customer buys in credits rather than taking the percertage from the models. It allows the customer to see that what he tips is exactly what the model takes in. On other sites members forget that even if he's tipping $100, a model may walk away with $50 , $30 or even less from that amount. So again as with all sites there are pros and cons. I may give cam4 another try but I can only do so if I'm split camming on other sites simultaneously.
Miss_Venture
08-04-2013, 03:20 AM
cherryblossomsinspring thank you for your helpful comments. When I have time I will add constructive comments directly relating to the thread but at the moment I am promoting the gay pride weekend in Leeds so very busy. Just having a coffee and looked at the cam4 promo stand. Was very interesting to see what they have have been saying.
Miss_Venture
08-04-2013, 01:02 PM
Kim if you want that cam4 name of that fake admin @cam4greece I just tricked him into giving it to me.
Maybe this time a someone may listen. I hope this post is within the spirit of the thread as it maybe helps other cam4 girls to stay away from him on cam4.
[20:49:48] *ME: Hi sorry been busy again lol
[20:50:14] *ME: Whats your cam4 name ill come say hello
[20:50:26] **NAME EDITED : biglikebong
[20:50:31] **NAME EDITED : im cam4greece
[20:50:38] **NAME EDITED: are you gonna have show?
[20:51:27] **ME: yes I need to go eat frist then Ill have a show if i get time
[20:52:38] **NAME EDITED: sent me here when you will broadcast
[20:53:12] **ME: sure
He has more chance of me being on the moon today then having a show with me
Mods if this post is not in the spirit of the thread then I am happy to delete it.
Miss_Venture
08-05-2013, 12:44 AM
Kim if you remember that girl who is a good friend of mine and I emailed you about her being threatened on cam4 and you just said she needs to email you as you will not discuss others accounts? Discussing others accounts with another I fully understand and agree with but I feel someone from cam4 should have emailed her to make sure she is ok as I gave you her name and info. Please understand some girls are to scared to email a person they don't know as this guy said he knows all the cam4 admins and if she emails them she will be banned. She trusts and has faith in me as she is a good friend so I emailed you instead. Well she had her twitter, and cam4 account hacked by him and now has to make a new one. He put a pic of himself, without face on her twitter profile and hacked her cam4 account so she had to delete it. I respectfully request cam4 give me a contact email of someone else who can deal with this matter as, with the greatest respect, you did nothing. I will pass the contact email onto her. I am so pissed over this as she is a really good friend who I spent weeks helping her get to the top of cam4 and she is so upset.
Mods I hope this post remains as it is in the spirit of the thread as it concerns asking for help for someone from cam4. Support for a cam4 model requested.
[04/08/2013 08:15:09] ME: Good morning NAME EDIT
[04/08/2013 08:22:06] ME: why have u got a male photo on your twitter profile lol
[04/08/2013 08:22:33] ME: Guess that guy blocked me again lol
[04/08/2013 23:21:06] NAME EDIT: hi
[04/08/2013 23:21:15] NAME EDIT: yes
[04/08/2013 23:21:31] NAME EDIT: he hacked me all acounts, my twitter, my mails, my cam4 account
[04/08/2013 23:21:46] NAME EDIT: i had to delete my account on cam4
[04/08/2013 23:21:55] NAME EDIT: now i need to made another one
[08:27:12] ME : Hi NAME EDIT msg me when your back ok..... I am so sorry he did this and I feel I have let you down but I tried to do something about it :( but we need to get him gone.
jessymisspretty
08-05-2013, 04:51 AM
Why you all girls here complain so much for this, i think you should all be thankful to the people that provide you with a way to earn money just from stay at home and do nothing. i really don't get it I am 33 years old mom and i know you all think about money. money isn't everything. so stop complain that much and just do what you do,no company is bad or good.
Miss_Venture
08-05-2013, 05:08 AM
Why you all girls here complain so much for this, i think you should all be thankful to the people that provide you with a way to earn money just from stay at home and do nothing. i really don't get it I am 33 years old mom and i know you all think about money. money isn't everything. so stop complain that much and just do what you do,no company is bad or good.
Hi Jessy and welcome to your view. I hope you won't mind me saying but that's rather insulting calling us "stay at home and do nothing" I work a full time job as well as promote festivals and work in a hospice during my spare time. I, and I am sure many other girls here, are not stay at home and do nothing girls. These companies you talk about make a great deal of money from web cam models and alot of girls make very little but try so hard to earn a living. Without models there would not be web cam sites so its so like any profession be it web cam models, or any other type of models there is a support network for them to vent their views good or bad. Personally I am happy you vented yours that's democracy working. I hope others agree all have a right to share their views on forums like this. Some may agree with views posted some may not but that's the freedom anyone has to express their views. Peace to you Jessy and hope you stay around.
jessymisspretty
08-05-2013, 05:14 AM
Hi Miss_venture i didn't mean to offend anyone, really i am just say that you should keep something for your own if you want, i have talked with a lady that she own a modeling agency, escorts agency and adult websites network in europe and she say to me that performers always are complaining about something, that they are not good at. so they just make the company look bad. Not anyone is good at this šjobš
jessymisspretty
08-05-2013, 05:20 AM
I am planning to open a modeling agency of my own sometime, so if will hire models and they are not good for the job,i will fire them, and then go out on the world talking shit about my agency, I am definitely not agree with that, put yourself in my place, would you like that for your agency that you invested money and hours to create a business?! i would like to hear your answers about this
Miss_Venture
08-05-2013, 05:25 AM
Hi Jessy, again, Thank you for your reply. I worked as a fashion model for a big London agency for many years as well as web cam sites. It is the nature of most workers in any company to try and advise the company on better working practices for the workers and the company. Without feed back web site companies can not improve things for models and themselves. Most web cam site welcome feed back and "complaints" as without them they can not change things for the better for all concerned. If all web cam models just put up with stuff then they will just leave a bad web cam site and the web cam site will fail. That can not be a good thing right? More web cam sites = more choice for web cam models and those web cam sites that do not listen to models "complaints" will close. Jessy please stay around and post as its good to hear so many views on being a cam model. Without change girls would still be pulled around by their hair by stone age man :P
Incantatious
08-05-2013, 05:29 AM
Hi Miss_venture i didn't mean to offend anyone, really i am just say that you should keep something for your own if you want, i have talked with a lady that she own a modeling agency, escorts agency and adult websites network in europe and she say to me that performers always are complaining about something, that they are not good at. so they just make the company look bad. Not anyone is good at this šjobš
Serious question: What would you actually know?
Your first post here says you're here to learn about webcamming, not fart out orders to those you're hoping to get advice from to get help for this "easy way to make money"! ;D
jessymisspretty
08-05-2013, 05:30 AM
Good point, so what you say about those fat guys who own these companies and when someone new come up and want to shine,they just go and fuck him up. greedy assholes ;)
jessymisspretty
08-05-2013, 05:31 AM
I will come back soon, and i will keep you posted with news.take care
jessymisspretty
08-05-2013, 05:33 AM
i just dont like when people abuse, nothing more
Miss_Venture
08-05-2013, 05:33 AM
Jessy with the greatest respect to you I told you I worked for a top London agency for many years. A good agency would not even spend money on a model unless they knew she was right for the job. If I took on a new model I would make sure she was right for the job before I hired her and paid my money promoting her. No I would not fire her if she did not make it I would offer her so much time and help to make sure she did make money as it was me that hired her in the first place. Jessy my advice to you is don't hire anyone unless you are pretty sure they and you will make money. I got turned down by 2 agencies before one a agency took me on and I totally respected their opinion about me. I was not the type of model they where looking for as they wanted more Gothic type models and I am not a Goth.
Thank you again for your post hope my reply helped you. Peace
cherryblossomsinspring
08-05-2013, 07:39 AM
Why you all girls here complain so much for this, i think you should all be thankful to the people that provide you with a way to earn money just from stay at home and do nothing. i really don't get it I am 33 years old mom and i know you all think about money. money isn't everything. so stop complain that much and just do what you do,no company is bad or good.
Wow did I just read this??
First the mumbai escorts pimp and now this character? Where are these people coming from? :O
Kim - Cam4
08-05-2013, 07:42 AM
Good morning ladies -
I hope to hear later today about the bonus' you are all waiting on. I will update as soon as possible.
A general note on how we deal with the issue mentioned above.
We do not discuss a models account on Cam4 with anyone but the model, it is a matter of privacy and also a matter of security. Typcially an account is not hacked but in fact the model has done one of two things:
1. Taken their show to skype and then accepted a file being sent which is usually an exe file or is infected and allows a keylogger to be installed.
2. The model clicks a link, enters their login information and the person now has access to their account.
The unfortunate part is that the people generally use the same password for everything so if you have a twitter account, email, blog, etc this person now has access to all those areas. On more than one ocassion the person that has gotten into the account has actually emailed us from the model's email account.
If as a model you believe this is the case then you should contact either myself or
[email protected] Since the above would indicate someone else has accessed the account we're very careful in matching up information so as not to place a models funds in jeopardy - typcially the account will be closed till we're satisfied we're dealing with the model and that their machine is safe.
Have a wonderful week! I'll be back later with an update.
Kim
Kim - Cam4
08-05-2013, 08:18 AM
I was just informed that if you check your earnings you should see that your bonuses have been posted. I do sincerely apologize for the delay and appreciate everyone's patience.
Thanks!
Kim
Miss_Venture
08-05-2013, 08:32 AM
Kim while I accept some of what you say I would also like to add to it. There is a well know exploit in skype where non of what you stated needs to happen. Some guys, like this freak know this. I am not prepared to show or even talk about it here. But if a mod wants to msg me to inform others or if even cam4 tech want to email me I am happy to tell them. They do not need to download a file or click on any link to obtain an ip. I am most certainly not saying cam4 is in any way responsible for this. I do how ever wish cam4 would investigate and check ips to members when they are informed that the person doing this activity is a member of cam4. I have advised my friend not to do skype shows any more as she will never know if this guy is using another name or not so she is open to this being repeated again. If you check the login ip of the person I informed you about that did this to this person then u will see the login on her account is not from her country and belongs to the person informed about. She has already emailed
[email protected] but all they said is create a new account. The person doing this uses the hotspot shield proxy most of the time but does slip up alot and uses his own ips from Italy. Thank you for your time a full email will be sent from the person in question soon. This person does not type well or speak well in English so its hard for her to communicate fully.
JaneBurgess
08-05-2013, 07:37 PM
Seriously? Are you an idiot? Cam sites are for CAM SHOWS, not for freeloading assholes to beg all day. So yeah people bitch when idiots come on a cam site knowing full well it's not free nudity and act like a tool.
I don't think I saw anyone saw anything about the owners or call them fat. Clearly the sites are in it to make money just like the cam performers are. Unless you actually DO cam shows, don't throw in your two cents.
Good point, so what you say about those fat guys who own these companies and when someone new come up and want to shine,they just go and fuck him up. greedy assholes ;)
JaneBurgess
08-05-2013, 07:41 PM
You mean like most people hate their jobs period? No one has to work on a cam site, I dont see a gun to their head. You can quit at anytime and find another job. Abusive people exist in all walks of life, not just in the adult industry. I REALLY can't stand most of what you posted, it's total bullshit and rude. Don't cam, pretty simple. However you have ZERO right to talk shit about those of us that do cam.
Good morning. I deleted my post and will post it on my web site instead as I take note of your comments Incan. I take pity on no one here I am merely stating many girls have told me they hate being on web cam and only do it for the money and if they had money they would not do it. I am quoting them direct not anyone here. If girls or guys here love being on cam and use it as a job good luck to them all but it is not the same for all girls and guys. Some girls go on web cam to make some money for their drug habits, some are forced to do it by abusive boyfriends, some do it to pay hospital bills but hate doing it. Those are the girls I feel sorry for as they hate doing it but have to. If you girls here make money and play the guys for tokens and have a good time good luck to you keep on doing it but for many girls they hate it. Each to their own.
Why you all girls here complain so much for this, i think you should all be thankful to the people that provide you with a way to earn money just from stay at home and do nothing. i really don't get it I am 33 years old mom and i know you all think about money. money isn't everything. so stop complain that much and just do what you do,no company is bad or good.
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Miss_Venture
08-06-2013, 12:45 AM
You mean like most people hate their jobs period? No one has to work on a cam site, I dont see a gun to their head. You can quit at anytime and find another job. Abusive people exist in all walks of life, not just in the adult industry. I REALLY can't stand most of what you posted, it's total bullshit and rude. Don't cam, pretty simple. However you have ZERO right to talk shit about those of us that do cam.
Hi Jane and nice to feel the love.
1: Many girls are forced to work in the sex industry. I have already posted the reasons why many do. Abusive boyfriends who force their girls to work in the sex industry. In Eastern Europe as well as many other parts of the world many girls ARE forced into the sex industry. Maybe google " eastern girls forced to work in the sex industry" same applies to web cam sites. I have spoken to many many girls who work on cam and not one has said they do it for love. They do it for money or out of necessity or as stated above are forced to . I do not speak for any girls or guys here I am just passing comments about every girl I have spoken to and there are many. Jobs are really hard to find in many places of the world and the wages are very poor but living costs are high. If a girl enjoys being on cam with a dildo up her ass in front of 100's of freeloading assholes all screaming shit like they just escaped from a sex addiction hospital then that is their choice and their right.
2: I hope some if not all will agree web cam sites, like any other working related industry, have a duty of care towards their models. Are you really saying its acceptable in any work place to have some guys to try and blackmail, threaten, abuse, make false reports in order to get tokens back or get the model banned from the web site? Why would a model be any different from any other person working in a "job" ? I feel your doing a disservice to web cam models by implying that any form or abuse is acceptable just because we are web cam models. Would that shit girls have to put up with be allowed in an office job? A waitress? or any other form of "Job"
Web cam sites hold our personal information but what do we know about cam4 and its owners? Most know nothing about who runs cam4 as its made up of a bunch of companies spread out around various countries and that's about all.
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Kim I wish to communicate with the owners of cam4 and be supplied with the information regarding where my information is kept. Please include a contact name the address zip code and all relevant information. You have my email address so please forward onto me this information. I have no wish to email support or help I wish to contact only the owners. lets see if this information is forth coming.
Kim - Cam4
08-06-2013, 05:25 AM
Record keeping information: http://www.cam4.com/2257_compliance_statement
Company information at bottom: http://www.cam4.com/privacy
Miss_Venture
08-06-2013, 06:01 AM
Kim Nihao and thank your for that.
JaneBurgess
08-06-2013, 01:38 PM
Oh bullshit. Most people that work in adult are not forced into the adult industry. They want to work on the industry because they enjoy it or they like the money. If they dont want to cam then they can quit, that's always an option. Most people hate their job and do it for the money, so you aren't talking about anything new. I have friends that work non adult job and they hate it. I guess they were forced into that vanilla job too.
I have yet to meet any cam performer that was seriously threatened. Hello, it's the internet. These customers have no idea who we are or where we live. If you are stupid enough to talk to them off of the cam site, that's your problem if they bother you. Most cam performers bitching about that break the rules so they can make money off the cam site. I've cammed eight years and have never had that issue. Know why? I FOLLOW the rules. You can also block them on the cam site, not hard to do.
If you were so concerned about who holds your info, you should have found out before you signed up on the site. You seem to have a LOT of anger toward other cam performers and Cam4. That's your problem, stop coming on here and talking shit about other cam performers. We don't appreciate nor deserve it.
Hi Jane and nice to feel the love.
1: Many girls are forced to work in the sex industry. I have already posted the reasons why many do. Abusive boyfriends who force their girls to work in the sex industry. In Eastern Europe as well as many other parts of the world many girls ARE forced into the sex industry. Maybe google " eastern girls forced to work in the sex industry" same applies to web cam sites. I have spoken to many many girls who work on cam and not one has said they do it for love. They do it for money or out of necessity or as stated above are forced to . I do not speak for any girls or guys here I am just passing comments about every girl I have spoken to and there are many. Jobs are really hard to find in many places of the world and the wages are very poor but living costs are high. If a girl enjoys being on cam with a dildo up her ass in front of 100's of freeloading assholes all screaming shit like they just escaped from a sex addiction hospital then that is their choice and their right.
2: I hope some if not all will agree web cam sites, like any other working related industry, have a duty of care towards their models. Are you really saying its acceptable in any work place to have some guys to try and blackmail, threaten, abuse, make false reports in order to get tokens back or get the model banned from the web site? Why would a model be any different from any other person working in a "job" ? I feel your doing a disservice to web cam models by implying that any form or abuse is acceptable just because we are web cam models. Would that shit girls have to put up with be allowed in an office job? A waitress? or any other form of "Job"
Web cam sites hold our personal information but what do we know about cam4 and its owners? Most know nothing about who runs cam4 as its made up of a bunch of companies spread out around various countries and that's about all.
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Kim I wish to communicate with the owners of cam4 and be supplied with the information regarding where my information is kept. Please include a contact name the address zip code and all relevant information. You have my email address so please forward onto me this information. I have no wish to email support or help I wish to contact only the owners. lets see if this information is forth coming.
Miss_Venture
08-06-2013, 03:01 PM
JaneBurgess Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Being that I am a Dual National citizen of Britain and the USA the above gives me that right to freedom of speech. And yes if you knew the full facts about cam4 maybe you not say these things. I have no anger towards any cam performers many left cam4 and went to other sites after finding out what happened on cam4. You do not know the full facts and my posts did not tell the full story. All I will say is the guy who made all this bull I swatted like a fly and my posts were directed to cam4 not any performer. Yes I came here to vent about how cam4 treated me and many other girls when they faced issues on cam4. Girls on cam4 face abuse every day and cam4 tell us to report such abuse and it will be dealt with. Why have a so called support email for cam4 if its just not going to be used? A guy makes threats off cam4 and on skype. This person tells this guy unless he stops he will be reported to his company. Wtf has that got to do with cam4? Nothing as its off cam4. Most have said, including you, off site is nothing to do with cam4. This big spending cam4 asshole then goes crying like a baby to cam4 that some poor little girl is abusing him so cam4 ban this model based on shit. Sorry but that's a bullshit for cam4 to treat anyone. The model reports this asshole for abuse to many girls on cam4 and off Cam4. Off cam4, I agree is fuck all to do with cam4, but abuse on cam4 is cam4 deal when its reported.
So 3 models reported this guy for threats made on cam4. The asshole sends in fake shit from skype, thats off cam4, and the models get banned with out any proof just fake skype logs that are easy to edit. Kim says she has screen caps of this so I give my full permission to show all here these so called screen caps of a poor little 300LB asshole thats being threatened by 3 little cam4 girls. Sorry same rules apply to guys. Don't like a girls room don't go in it and ignore the model. Guy can ignore, silence, stay the fuck away and do all these things u tell me to do he can do. He can block the girls on skype he can block on twitter he can just stay the fuck away. But no he wines like a little kid and emails kim and the girls get banned and the asshole left cam4 on his own as many of my friends turned against him when they found out. He now hangs his sorry ass over CB site. Many girls have been banned on cam4 after guys have emailed about girls scamming them. WTF spend your tokens take your chance if they think a model is scamming them don't give tokens. Most guys complain to cam4 about a girl scamming them when in fact that girl will not do wtf he asks her to do in pvt. Make the rules before u pay for a pvt guys if the model does not agree go to another model. But soon as a big spending guy sends a email into cam4 she takes the side of the poor little guy. Cam4 makes nothing from a model only from paying members who buy tokens. No wonder cam4 take the side of the guys and to hell with the models. One of the top models on cam4 left as cam4 admin did not support her and went to CB and many others have left as cam4 supports these big spending creeps who abuse girls and the model gets banned for reporting it. Jane I wish U would speak to many others before dissing my posts. Many many will tell u the same. Do you cam on cam4? I think not.
Infact as I am typing this another model is on my skype pissed off as she got a warning email after some asshole complained she left when her goal was reached! NO kim she left as cam4 is as buggy as shit so she crashed and could not get back on cam!
quote "I got a nasty gram for cam4 and told me I could be banded if I keep on changing the goals wtf me blame if cam4 crash me
[01:49:16] NAME EDIT : and it was a gold member and they listen to him and i don't think he was tipping"
Have a real good day now and hope you make a ton of money. I respect your right to post what you like please respect mine. We can agree to disagree thats a simple truth in life. Peace.
Miss_Venture
08-06-2013, 03:32 PM
Just a small post to let you know cam4 models take tokens to have shows on skype and cam4 know about this fully. All cam4 don't allow is models to advertise paypal on cam4 as if a model uses paypal they don't get the money. Jane you are very wrong about skype being off site. Cam4 have banned many models after some creeps complain that they did not get the skype show they payed tokens for. Cam4 give the tokens back to the member. So if skype is off cam4 limits and cam4 have no jurisdiction over models doing shows on skype then why ban them and give the tokens back to the crying members? Kim I hope you can answer this as I know many girls who have had their tokens given back to members after they have had skype shows off cam4 limits.
Kim Question, why does cam4 take the tokens away from models if a member complains about a poor skype show from a model? She says it was good he says it was shit so u take the tokens away from the model. Kim I know this is true. How? Cam4 did it to me a few times thats why. I had good skype shows then the creeps ask for something we refused to do as my skype show rules are very clear. So cam4 give the creep back his tokens. WTf is that fair?
JaneBurgess Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Being that I am a Dual National citizen of Britain and the USA the above gives me that right to freedom of speech.
Free speech doesn't protect you from being told to shut up. It protects the government from telling you to do so (and even that freedom is somewhat limited). The constitution has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. The ignorance is making my brain explode.
Kim Question, why does cam4 take the tokens away from models if a member complains about a poor skype show from a model? She says it was good he says it was shit so u take the tokens away from the model. Kim I know this is true. How? Cam4 did it to me a few times thats why. I had good skype shows then the creeps ask for something we refused to do as my skype show rules are very clear. So cam4 give the creep back his tokens. WTf is that fair?
Now you are bringing up legitimate concerns and issues with cam4... I advise you just quit cam4. You obviously have many issues with it's faults. It'd be for your mental health (and ours) to just leave cam4.
ConnyLove
08-06-2013, 05:52 PM
It'd be for your mental health (and ours) to just leave cam4.
AMEN!!
JaneBurgess
08-06-2013, 06:56 PM
Duh about Paypal. I haven't seen any cam site that allows you to take funds away from them and use PP. As for Skype it should be known that if you chose to do a show on there the cam site can't monitor if you actually did the show. They can't see your Skype to see if the show actually happened. If a customer did complain about it, then yes they usually give the money back. That's the risk you take when you do a show off of the cam site. Not sure how anyone can be shocked by that. I'm sorry but there are shady cam performers just like there are shady customers.
I also have the freedom of speech to tell you to shut up. If you don't like camming, then don't do it. Don't come on here and talk crazy about other cam performers. You don't seem on top of your game and that's your fault. Yes I do cam on there and I have no issues. I control my room, I chose to do what I want and I DONT do shows via Skype. No one had threatened me because their ass knows better and I also would just block their dumb ass if they did. I won't post on and on and on about how they suck and all my issues over and over again. I would QUIT the site, stop talking badly about other performers and move on.
Just a small post to let you know cam4 models take tokens to have shows on skype and cam4 know about this fully. All cam4 don't allow is models to advertise paypal on cam4 as if a model uses paypal they don't get the money. Jane you are very wrong about skype being off site. Cam4 have banned many models after some creeps complain that they did not get the skype show they payed tokens for. Cam4 give the tokens back to the member. So if skype is off cam4 limits and cam4 have no jurisdiction over models doing shows on skype then why ban them and give the tokens back to the crying members? Kim I hope you can answer this as I know many girls who have had their tokens given back to members after they have had skype shows off cam4 limits.
Kim Question, why does cam4 take the tokens away from models if a member complains about a poor skype show from a model? She says it was good he says it was shit so u take the tokens away from the model. Kim I know this is true. How? Cam4 did it to me a few times thats why. I had good skype shows then the creeps ask for something we refused to do as my skype show rules are very clear. So cam4 give the creep back his tokens. WTf is that fair?
Kim - Cam4
08-06-2013, 07:15 PM
Qurl - in response to your highlighted quote -
Tips are refunded only after an investigation is done and we believe that the tip should be returned. If a performer opts to take their show out of the site we have no way of knowing that show was done. Currently if a show is done in Skype and someone writes with a complaint that tip will be returned. However, the model also has the option to dispute that refund by providing us with proof the show took place and on more than one occasion we have reversed a refund. Refunds are based on the facts we're presented with, not on the amount of tokens someone purchases.
Please note: When performers write to us an ask if Skype shows are permitted we're upfront in telling them that shows done outside of the website cannot be verified so if a complaint is received a refund is issued automatically. We always suggest they use the private show software or a gold membership to do private shows within the site.
As for bans - as a business it is not in our interest to remove either performers or tippers, however, there are times that it is necessary if we are presented with proof of behavior that is contrary to the good of the site. Typically a single complaint will result in a warning, if complaints are received from multiple members (performers or tippers) of the same type of behavior and the warning is ignored the account is removed.
Kim
Qurl - in response to your highlighted quote -
Tips are refunded only after an investigation is done and we believe that the tip should be returned. If a performer opts to take their show out of the site we have no way of knowing that show was done. Currently if a show is done in Skype and someone writes with a complaint that tip will be returned. However, the model also has the option to dispute that refund by providing us with proof the show took place and on more than one occasion we have reversed a refund. Refunds are based on the facts we're presented with, not on the amount of tokens someone purchases.
Please note: When performers write to us an ask if Skype shows are permitted we're upfront in telling them that shows done outside of the website cannot be verified so if a complaint is received a refund is issued automatically. We always suggest they use the private show software or a gold membership to do private shows within the site.
As for bans - as a business it is not in our interest to remove either performers or tippers, however, there are times that it is necessary if we are presented with proof of behavior that is contrary to the good of the site. Typically a single complaint will result in a warning, if complaints are received from multiple members (performers or tippers) of the same type of behavior and the warning is ignored the account is removed.
Kim
Kim I thank you for your response. I personally never ever take shows onto skype (I actually really like your new private chat feature). I was just saying this was a more valid cam4 concern that what Miss Venture was talking about before. Some sites will allow offsite shows and never refund a custie who complains about then. This info has solidified my decision not to take shows off cam4 onto skype.
Thanks for the info and explaining the policy regarding skype shows!
Incantatious
08-06-2013, 11:51 PM
"Help! I have been BFFs with this tiger for 2 years. He was my BFF! But yesterday, whilst I was playing around with his tail, he bit me in the ass!
Wait.. You're a professional tiger tamer for a living? I am so sorry that you need the money that much that you would resort to having to train tigers! How many would do that if they had $1million?...
But anyways, I hope that you will now listen to my lengthy tale about how this tiger bit me so hard whilst I was playing with his tail... What?! Why aren't you listening to me?! You are biased towards tigers biting peoples asses!"
You see my point?
Miss_Venture, stop playing with the tiger, (be happy it ditched you for life if you hated it!) and stop pestering the professional tiger trainer.
Look for a different animal - one that you get along with - and put all your attentions on that, instead.
Miss_Venture
08-07-2013, 01:27 AM
Incantatious you stated "Miss_Venture, weren't you banned from cam4 altogether? " how would you know the status of any of my accounts unless cam4 leaked anything? I stopped going live on cam4 way back in may 2013 as I voted with my feet and did not agree with cam4 supporting abusive members who make up fake emails and toss them into cam4 and they trust these fucktards. I dont give a flying fuck about cam4 and never ever want to or will cam on that nasty fucked up site again. So no I do not want to be welcomed back nor have any wish to ever cam on their again.
I was one of the top girls on cam4 and always made top spot on page 1 and made on average 150$ for an hour on cam each and every time as as well as between 2000 and 4000 people in my room so if I was so shit why would I have so much support? Get a grip please. Included among my best, online friends, as well as having them all on skype, are the other top girls on cam4. These names are not secret and I have no wish to use their real names but girls like (name edited) who was a top gold star girl on cam4 quit cam4 for the same issues that alot of us girls suffer on there. Now she hates cam4 and is on CB and doing well.
Now coming to the main point. Girls complained about a certain guy on cam4 who was a gold member and a big spender. I sent in complaints about him and many girls did as well. He was left to carry on his shit and sent in fake emails to kim crying like a little baby. Kim emailed me warning me about some shit he sent in and I thought wtf and so did other girls.
I sent kim back a email asking wtf this is all about as this creep is abusing girls on site and offsite.
One of my brothers came back from serving over seas and saw what this little shit had been doing so he sent this creep a skype msg telling him if he did not stop he would email his company about his actions. Being an Arab and a Muslim he is not supposed to even be on cam4 as its against his company policy as well as his religion. Telling me how happy he is USA and British soldiers are being killed by the Taliban in the name of Islam then going on cam4 watching naked girls and all that shit. Sorry thats bullshit! Thats why he uses a VPN to hide while he abuses others.
So after this Bullshit warning from Kim the following day I left for the week to promote the gay pride weekend in Leeds UK and was not even on cam4! Yes I was on skype via my cell phone but not talking to this little shit.
While I was in Leeds I noticed the CAM4_UK so called admin had unshared me on skype so I thought something was up as this admin asked for my home address as well as got so far up my ass he could not get any further kissing it.
When I came back home I found another bullshit email from kim stating she had received other complaints about me. This was totally impossible, unless someone else used my account and thats not likely.
So my point is I was done with cam4 the moment kim took the side of some creep. Other girls moved to other sites as well over it. Kim ask (names deleted) the list goes on plus over 2500 followers on my cam4 friends lists as well as over 70k of followers on my old twitter account. Can they all be wrong? Most knew about this creep as I told them about the issues. I was told to email Kim as someone who is very close to Kim so i did. A fat lot of good that did.
Kim had no right to close my account, based on this bullshit fake crap he sent in even though I was done with cam4 anyway and my friends all knew this and steal my last remaining tokens. So no I do not want to ever cam on cam4 again I made that clear by my last cam show way back in may 2013. 100's of gifts from guys who support me, 100's nice msgs on my chat wall. Kim you supported a guy that is a fucking creep and as u did nothing about him we did and drove his ass out of cam4. Like i said before 2 years on cam4 on and off, 20 years as a fashion model. Helped start and setup one of the first web cam sites 10 years ago and not one single issue until this creep came along.
Kim you got played by this creep simple fact. Look at your model count? Well down as many are sick and tired over this bullshit. How many girls on cam4 make 150$ for an hour or so now? Not many. How many girls make 4000 views? Not many. Cam4 have killed the site the moment they went for mass users to generate income from advertizing. Cam4 is freeloaders and freaks heaven now simple truth.
Kim its impossible to ban someone from cam4 in any case. Yes you can remove the profile of a model but cam4 can never ban anyone from it. I noticed my miss_venture profile is still live on your data base. How about deleting it altogether?
Someone gets their profile removed for bullshit reasons. They just come back on another name and carry on talking to their friends simple. Kim how can you prove anyone that has their profile removed and comes back on another name is really the same person? You cant so its futile trying to ban anyone.
Jane i am not looking for support from anyone here I am over the age of 21 and can look after myself. Every one here is just a person online not real life. But I 100% support you all for your right to your opinions and to bash my posts thats cool but does it effect me? Nope not one bit. Rather u bash me then someone else who wishes to vent a view.
Jane with the greatest respect to you I checked your cam4 profile and seems your not doing very well on cam4. I wish you luck and hope it picks up for you. Maybe i will get one of my guys to send you a gift as seems you do not have any. Its nice to have gifts as shows how much guys think about a girl. Jane I mean that sincerely its nice to have gifts and hope you get some soon.
I will sit back, drink a coffee and wait for the next group of responses. Debate is a good thing right? But it does not pay my bills or support my lifestyle. But its all good keep it coming. Don't hate participate its not real life no one died. :) :)
Miss_Venture
08-07-2013, 02:20 AM
Incantatious thank you for your helpful comments. I was talking exclusively about cam4 not any other sites. 150$ is good for cam4 most make shit there. What Jane makes on other sites is of no concern to me I am dealing only about cam4.
I hope Jane makes a million $ on other sites good luck to her I hope she does well on them. But I was merely pointing out cam4 is dead man walking due to their excessive amount of freeloaders who don't tip and drive the good guys away.
I watch and talk to many girls still on cam4 and many are making shit. What is so wrong about sending someone over to give a few gifts to Jane to show there is no hard feelings and this is not personal? I have tipped many many girls on cam4 and given them gifts. If you want to twist my words that is up to you but if u sent over a gift I would be happy to take it as money in the bank. It was just a nice gesture that was all please dont take it the wrong way.
Many girls are struggling on sites so any gifts are helpful right ? All I see is girls saying how bad they doing on cam4 so I was just showing support by having a gift sent that is all. :)
Have a great day!
loveshooks
08-07-2013, 02:26 AM
Debate is a good thing right?
You aren't "debating"
Agreed
@Miss_Venture, you are not a cam chica and you do not work on cam4. Apparently now you did once work cam4, even though during your (now self-deleted) introductory posts you claimed not to be a mere token whore, instead camming simply for 'fun'.
Kim has made it very clear that she doesn't discuss model accounts publicly so you will not get the answers you seek from her here, and aside from one or two helpful posts the rest of your posts are rants about internet trolls. This forum and this thread are full of information on how to prevent key-loggers, deal with trolls, etc, and you choose to read and apply none of it, instead posting stream of consciousness soliloquies. If you want advice on how to deal with trolls, read.
I dont give a flying fuck about cam4 and never ever want to or will cam on that nasty fucked up site again.
^^^excellent choice. As such, there is no need for you to monopolize a thread for a site you do not work. If you want to learn how to deal with internet bullies, read and post in those appropriate threads. None of your issues with random Skype trolls are in any way unique to this particular site, and based upon the policy of returning credits to any customer who complains, accepting Skype shows on cam4 seems like a pretty unwise idea. It's a bad policy and chicas need to be aware of it. We've covered that, and we're moving on now.
If you continue to monopolize this thread with second hand stories and generalized rants you will be permanently removed from this site because ish is getting ridiculous. It ends here and now with this post.
Miss_Venture
08-07-2013, 03:05 AM
Loveshooks thank you for your eloquent reply. I am fully aware kim will do shit about my posts I am not as stupid as I am playing myself here. I have stated that there is not much I do not know about how to handle guys who abuse. Remember I said I helped start the first live model web cam site so am fully aware of the issues. My point is very clear. On skype I have many following me and they read my posts. I am big enough to defend myself against these creeps and idiots but many models are not. Many do not speak English or type it very well and they need help to deal with these type of guys. My point has always been when a Model complaints to kim or cam4 they do not take it serious as many many girls have told me this and provided emails to this effect. The point some are missing is when a model does report abuse, as thats why the abuse button and the support email is there for, why take the side of the abusive guy and not the models? My previous posts were just rants to get the attention of the group and they sure worked well. Thats why I deleted them as they were a smoke screen to lead onto the main points. So now we have many many gurls posting here and thats a good thing right? The more bashing I get the more debate can be had and thats what a forum is about right?
From now on all my posts will concern relevant points about cam4 and how they treat models. If you want me to bring over many many models from cam4 as well as members to ask questions about cam4 then this can be done. Cam4 has be warned by many trading bodies to clean up its act or face being shut down so surly that is a debate that is relevant? Among many others.
Kim I gave you the full skype name of the fake cam4 Greek admin who uses twitter to get girls to send him naked pictures after telling them he is the cam4 admin for Greece. I gave you his twitter name his skype name and his cam4 name yet he is still on cam4 faking girls to contact him on skype and twitter in order to fake them into posing naked for him. Why is he still allowed to do this when U have all the relevant information to ban him? Sure he can just come back on a new email and a new name but that's not the point. It would take me less then a day to have his account removed from twitter and skype. Kim u can act on cam4 concerning him and we can deal with him on twitter and skype.
*me shakes head*
Sam38g
08-07-2013, 08:34 AM
Cherry I am happy to either post a screen shot of him asking for my home address as well as the Dm from twitter asking me to contact him on skype and he 100% is a cam4 admin as he does the cam4UK blogs and twitter. I reported this to him as well direct and he did nothing.
He asked. He did NOT tell you where you lived. Which would be a threat. Grow a thicker skin, cause many will ask many times over & over again for phone numbers, real name, address & skype.
It is always a mistake to give out a number to bring in more tips, cause it does make them think they have more than a chance. EVen if it is a throw away phone or sims card. You say you do it for fun, but clearly for TIPS aka MONEY he got your skype address & phone number which guess what? makes you a cam girl doing it for money just like the rest of us. Sooooo please stop acting like you are better than the rest of us & doing it as a fun time hobby.
Cause honestly if you truly felt threatened & since this is just a fun hobby you would stop doing it & find something else to do in life for fun.
LMAO if girls fall for guys telling them they are admin for a cam site on twitter & they fall for it is on them.
At some point in life, you need to take responsibility for your own actions.
You can't complain to a cam site for stuff their member do off of it like SKYPE! When you decided to take the relationship off site it was your choice. When you decided NOT to block him on skype even after threats, it was YOUR choice.
To assume we all must do this because we are forced into it & YOu ONLY you did it for fun is just bananas.
I love camming. Just because I love my job & do well at it doesn't mean I will ever do it for free.
And to think you were a top cam girl because you made $150 an hour, laughable. While I have never worked for cam4, I can tell you there are plenty of cam models who make more than that per hour. Don't get me wrong it is good money, but hardly top girl money for a cam girl.
Since you don't work for cam4 anymore I fail to see what goes on there is any of your business. You don't own the company, you don't have stock in it either. Please for your well being just move on. If other models/friends have issues with that particular company, guess what they can either work it out with admin or work for a different cam company.
Some how I make money on cam withOUT ever giving out skype or my phone number.
If you are looking for justice & fairness, welcome to the world. It often isn't.
Be happy the checks cleared & have fun.
Smooches,
Sam
Maybe this isn't for you.
Also if you are a model wouldn't this hurt your career?
Sam
Miss_Venture
08-07-2013, 10:22 AM
Well Hi Sam and thank you for your comments. I am sorry but most of what you said is wrong, with the greatest respect.
Point 1: You said " LMAO if girls fall for guys telling them they are admin for a cam site on twitter & they fall for it is on them."
My reply, this guy is 100% a cam4 admin and works for cam4_UK I have his email and skype as well as his twitter. He is not a fake admin he is 100% for real. Ask Kim about the @cam4_UK admin.
Being a cam4 admin, I feel he should not even ask for a models home address when that model has a working relationship with a cam4 Admin. I know him only from cam4 so would never give my home address out to him.
2: Sam again with the greatest of respect I never felt threatened by this idiot if u read my last post I stated most of what I put about that was a smoke screen to get to the main issues. Those issues being some retarded idiot fakes emails and gets others to send them into kim at cam4. So kim she sends out emails to the models based on bullshit fake emails sent in by a creepy freaky turd of a guy. Come on what threat is a model to a 300LB guy? Any guy that fakes emails complaining that a MODEL is threatening him needs a good kick in the ass. He had the same choices as me to block me, not come to my room, not msg me and all the things you said I can do. One rule for me and one for him? What a pussy emailing cam4 about some little cam4 girl making threats to him. Oh please come on lol.
Point 3 : 150$ an hour on cam4 is a big amount considering alot only make 20 to 30$ for hours. 150$ an hour is nothing to top girls on other sites or in the modeling world I totally agree. But I am talking only about cam4 and cam4 only.
Point 4 I would love to talk to all of you in private as this site prevents me putting names and emails and stuff but soon I will make another web site and post the whole lot on there including emails from cam4 to us girls.
I have posted my twitter account and my skype ID to discuss this fully come chat and find out the real deal. Come to my skype room where many others know the deal on cam4. Go look on cam4 and find out how much the girls make there. You will be shocked how shit it is with the freaks, retards and freeloaders. Thats unless you have been there already and left it.
Sam 20 years in the model business I have a very thick skin but many girls do not and cam4 treats most girls like shit there when they complain. Those girls are who I am doing this for not so much me.
Kim and girls u know whats funny? I wrote a 3 page document that cam4 asked me to write on the feedback and ALL my points have been implemented now on cam4. Thats a good thing right? Girls can now have more options.
Keep on bashing me that is ok by me. Bashing me here just makes me stronger.
Sam I wish you every success in the field you chose to work in and I really hope you make a alot of money.
Please remember I did alot of behind the scene work on cam4 so see it from a models view and cam4 view.
If you knew what information I was asked to find out about models and pass on its shocking. I never did pass it on!
Jinja
08-07-2013, 11:12 AM
Why are people still giving this chick the attention she is clearly desperate for?
loveshooks
08-07-2013, 11:14 AM
that was interesting
I just want to clarify why a member has been banned. The member was not banned for criticizing a cam site, the ban was based on two factors:
1) repeatedly disregarding moderator requests to not monopolize a thread with generalized stream of consciousness posts
2)
My previous posts were just rants to get the attention of the group and they sure worked well. Thats why I deleted them as they were a smoke screen to lead onto the main points.
um....yeah. Posting insults to gain attention is not ok here.
something helpful did come out of this bizarre threadjack though...
1) chicas who work cam4 need to be aware that they perform Skype shows at their own risk. Frankly I think the cam4 policy is horrible but it is what it is. At least it's out in the open here now that chicas who perform Skype shows with cam4 customers risk having their funds refunded to any loser who complains.
2) anyone can create any Skype or twitter name they choose. I could change my own Skype account name to 'Cam4' if I wanted. The important name is the underlying Skype handle, the one located on the profile page. That can't be changed at will.
I'll probably add some threads on how to deal with trolls/bullies at some point today for anyone (ahem) who wants to read them.
edit: I just reread through some of the more rational posts in this thread, and there is already a ton of info right here regarding how to deal with (and disengage from) internet trolls and bullies. Thank you to everyone who posted useful information.
Incantatious
08-07-2013, 11:28 AM
that was interesting
I just want to clarify why a member has been banned. The member was not banned for criticizing a cam site, the ban was based on two factors:
1) repeatedly disregarding moderator requests to not monopolize a thread with generalized stream of consciousness posts
2)
um....yeah. Posting insults to gain attention is not ok here.
something helpful did come out of this bizarre threadjack though...
1) chicas who work cam4 need to be aware that they perform Skype shows at their own risk. Frankly I think the cam4 policy is horrible but it is what it is. At least it's out in the open here now that chicas who perform Skype shows with cam4 customers risk having their funds refunded to any loser who complains.
2) anyone can create any Skype or twitter name they choose. I could change my own Skype account name to 'Cam4' if I wanted. The important name is the underlying Skype handle, the one located on the profile page. That can't be changed at will.
I'll probably add some threads on how to deal with trolls/bullies at some point today for anyone (ahem) who wants to read them.
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I appreciate the work you do here loveshooks.... putting it lightly. :3
Fallenangel2904
08-07-2013, 12:38 PM
This thread gave me a major head ache so I just stayed away. Halaluah it's over and it can go back to normal!! Thanks loveshooks for restoring order.
JaneBurgess
08-07-2013, 06:59 PM
First off I haven't been on there long and clearly you are the one not doing well on there. If I recall you are the one crying on here about that site, not me. I don't care about gifts sent on a cam site, nor comments. I care about quality cam shows and making money my way. Like I said I run my room, not the customers. You should try it sometime. It's also not the main site I work on.
LH edit: Jane you totally have the right to defend yourself so I didn't touch that. I have removed the more biting commentary in response to her last unkind post towards you though. The ban hammer arm gets tired after a while...we'll re-ban her as many times as it takes but let's not make it irresistible for her to return.
Nikki_Fox
08-07-2013, 08:32 PM
yea she was irritating but she is gone so lets let her rest in peace
JGB2009
08-08-2013, 10:14 PM
Anyone else having problems logging in or after u manage to get logged in it boots u off and it tells u to refresh? Anyone having those problems cause it is driving me crazy and I decided its not worth putting up with :-(
EllieGold
08-14-2013, 12:39 AM
I cammed about a week and a half ago and the bonus has not shown up yet. Tips have though. Is this normal?
Kim - Cam4
08-14-2013, 06:57 AM
Hello Ellie -
Have you heard from Adriana? I want to be sure you were signed up for it. Usually everything should be posted to your account no later than Thursday. Did you start midweek perhaps?