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Kim - Cam4
01-15-2015, 01:21 PM
Thank you for the feedback Jculp! I'm glad to hear you are doing so well...

EllieGold
01-15-2015, 01:31 PM
I have had great experiences with Cam4 this year. I have some followers that tip when I get on.

Kim - Cam4
01-15-2015, 01:35 PM
That's great Ellie. Do you tweet out when you are online?

MissQuirk
01-23-2015, 03:40 PM
Does anyone else wish that there were more flattering options for body type, as opposed to 'large' lmao
Like maybe BBW?

Just a pet peeve I guess.

My first day on was decently successful, but I've had NO luck after that. It's really odd. :/ Maybe I'm not signing on a the right time? Around 8pm pacific?

Tsani
01-23-2015, 03:44 PM
I found that the most successful time for me was around midnight to 2am pacific time lol. And I'm RARELY on at that time, but that time frame seemed to bring in the most tippers for me.

MissQuirk
01-23-2015, 03:45 PM
interesting! That's really helpful actually because that's my slowest time on SM, so that works out really well.
thank youuu! <3

another question. how long are people staying on? and how big are your goals for a cumshow or whatever? I was doing 400 tokens in 1 hr but that was hard to hit. I ended up with 300 in an hour and a half and calling it a day. :S

Tsani
01-23-2015, 03:57 PM
When I was camming there I wouldn't stay on any longer than 2 hours at a time. I'd make it clear I was logging out in x amount of time so if they wanted a show they needed to hurry. Then I'd take a break, eat something, regroup, and either go elsewhere or log back on after a half hour or more.

Coffee
03-18-2015, 07:04 AM
Is it allowed to do a role play on cam4? like School Girl wearing school uniform and all?

Tsani
03-18-2015, 01:28 PM
Is it allowed to do a role play on cam4? like School Girl wearing school uniform and all?

I'm sure that would be fine there, just as long as you're not inferring that you're underage or anything.

takiaya
03-18-2015, 11:28 PM
Uniforms and roleplay is fine.

I use to stay on 4-6 hours unless it was super slow.

The only reason I'm not currently camming here as well is my account is sitting at negative due to a chargeback and I haven't felt like working for nothing long enough to fix it yet.

brittany_bitch
04-02-2015, 02:12 PM
my friend just called me in tears because she signed up with my guidance to cam 4 in november shortly after she was in the hospital for 3 months I know because I sat with her every week and helped her. She got out and got moving and able to dress and bathe and was ready to work again she was on the bonus program. She said something about emailing kim about what days earnings would show up because she has been away and was informed she was removed and there are now "new" requirements.
She was never warned or even notified of being removed which is really a shady and unkind way to do buisness. She now has to submit to these new requirements when she was already on the program which is so very bogus. Does everyone have to do that even if they worked last year into this one?
You do not know peoples circumstances and it is so unfair to remove someones bonus when you have not even emailed them to ask them what is going on them tell them they must meet new requirements. If this is going to remain cam4sbuisness practice it will definitely not sustain many "good" models much longer. This is terribly upsetting and I am warning all of you of how my friend was treated by cam4. Hopefully you will have better experience. Not bashing because I loved cam4 but now I am not so sure.

brittany_bitch
04-02-2015, 02:17 PM
Also I remember going like 3 months between my bonus broadcasts and keeping my bonus. So what are these new requirements because I don't see anything about it here ?
I hope kim or whoever can fix this for her and kim you are still handling the bonus because people are still going to you and you have not posted here about anything new with the bonus nor has anyone else. You could add her back obviously and I think you should or have someone do that and I do not feel she needs to do anything further than what the rest of us on the bonus have done are currently doing because if there were new strict requirements there would be major complaints on this page.

Tsani
04-02-2015, 03:40 PM
I haven't been on the bonus program since probably mid last year, but I remember back then if you went one month without broadcasting they would remove you. They would sometimes add you back if you contacted them and it had been one month, but I took a break from camming for a few months at one point and was permanently removed. As far as I know, these have always been the requirements, but I have no idea what the requirements are now. From what I know, once you've been removed for inactivity you can't be put back on.

brittany_bitch
04-02-2015, 03:44 PM
Well they said she could be added back with the "new" requirements but so far she has not heard back yet. It was not just inactivity though from being lazy or whatever she was in the hospital you know and noone emailed her anyway to tell her if it was inactive she would be removed or an email to say she had been removed so shady imo. She should be added back

Kim - Cam4
05-05-2015, 04:45 AM
Good morning Ladies!

I used to get notes in my email when posts would be made here but haven't in a very long time. So please forgive me for not checking.

Brittany - the rule has always been that if you are off cam for a month or more you are removed from the program hon. If there are extenuating circumstances I have always taken that into account. I am assuming by your statement above she contacted me or someone?

With that said, you know I cannot discuss her or anyone's account with you as that would violate their privacy. If she has a question she should contact me please.

Kim

BeautifulJaleesa
05-06-2015, 11:47 PM
Okay so just to be sure ... when I register for Cam4 .. I broadcast first ... and then ... I send in documentation? I dont even see where it asks me to send anything in though..

BeautifulJaleesa
05-06-2015, 11:57 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nevermind i figured it out :)

BeautifulJaleesa
05-09-2015, 03:37 PM
Question :)
Just to be sure, broadcasters are able to cash out anytime they want Monday-Friday?

LocoLibby
05-12-2015, 08:05 PM
So I purchased an HD webcam and all of my sites except for CAM4 is detecting it when I start broadcasting. I right clicked the picture and clicked settings like the FAQ said but it isn't showing my new webcam as an option. I was using ie at the time. HELP!!!

Kim - Cam4
05-12-2015, 08:08 PM
Question :)
Just to be sure, broadcasters are able to cash out anytime they want Monday-Friday?

Hello Jaleesa! Beautiful name.

Yes, you can cash out every day. I say Sunday through Thursday as you can make a request over the weekend and receive it Monday. Payments requested 12:01 am Friday would not go out till Monday.

I hope that helps.

Kim

Kim - Cam4
05-12-2015, 08:08 PM
So I purchased an HD webcam and all of my sites except for CAM4 is detecting it when I start broadcasting. I right clicked the picture and clicked settings like the FAQ said but it isn't showing my new webcam as an option. I was using ie at the time. HELP!!!

Hello Libby!

Send me an email hon and I will get you set up for HD.

You can read me at [email protected]

Thanks!

Kim - Cam4
06-10-2015, 07:38 PM
Hello Ladies!


Just peekin' in to see how everyone is doing and to let you know about some things happening at Cam4.


1. OUTDOORS camming! I know quite a few sites do not permit this, but we do and they make for awesome shows. Just be mindful not to have others appear in your cam while you're performing.


2. Cam4 Translator! The translator automatically translates all incoming chat to your language so you can easily interact with performers and viewers from around the world. (Major Languages: German, French, Romanian, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch)


3. Fan Clubs! While currently in its testing phase, you will soon be able to offer up a fan club to your viewers. You can read more here: http://www.cam4.com/faq/fan-club


Let me know if you have any questions and how you are doing with the site!


Have a great week guys!

Kim - Cam4
06-15-2015, 08:24 AM
1) What is the Pay percentage and token value?
2) If i join, am I still a free agent to cam with my other sites?
3) Is there a Model rules document?
4) What are the payment options?
5) What is Cam4Ultimate?


Hello Aussie!


1. Each token you receive is worth .10 and you keep everything you receive; we do not take a percentage.
2. Yes, you are a free to cam on other sites. We do not restrict our performers to Cam4.
3. The terms of service which can be found by a link at the bottom of each page contains the rules. We also post the most important rules on the chat window when you start each broadcast.
4. You can be paid by tokens, check, wire, Payoneer and we will soon have another new payment option that I think everyone will like. I will announce it as soon as it's ready.
5. Cam4Ultimate is a white label.


If you have any other questions, please dont' hesitate to ask.


Have a great week!


Kim

BronzedAussie
06-15-2015, 08:37 AM
Thank you :-)
I have just signed up :-)

Kim - Cam4
06-15-2015, 08:38 AM
You are more than welcome Aussie.. and welcome to Cam4!

Kim

Kim - Cam4
06-15-2015, 09:06 AM
You are more than welcome Aussie.. and welcome to Cam4!

Kim

BronzedAussie
06-16-2015, 03:30 AM
Are chargebacks covered?

takiaya
06-16-2015, 11:13 PM
Are chargebacks covered?

Nope.

Kim - Cam4
06-17-2015, 10:56 PM
Hello Aussie,


I apologize for the late reply.


We have an excellent team in place that monitors the site for fraudulent behavior. When charge-backs are found, they are removed and the funds returned to the bank/credit card company.


Most performers know if the person tipping them is fraudulent either from the amount of the tip, country of the tipper, etc and will report them to us so we can remove them immediately.


We are currently working on a program that will deal with these in a slightly different manner but the details are not available at this time.

I hope that helps.

Kim

Bristol
07-09-2015, 05:03 AM
I had previously assumed Cam4's model ranking was strongly influenced by viewer counts. Well, several times now I have seen other models rank on the 1st and 2nd rows with very low viewer counts. The models did not have super high star ratings either, so I suspect star ratings carry little weight. Tonight a model with about 90 viewers was on the 1st row above users with 200 to 415 viewers having equal or higher star ratings. The difference was much greater on other occasions.

I have only a few explanations for this.


The ranking is heavily determined by a model's earnings. Maybe in descending order of earnings, viewers, stars???
The ranking is strongly influenced by a factor unknown to me (such as subscriber count, time online, goal price, private price, category, country of origin, IP location, latency, bandwidth, resolution...)
Cam4's ranking is broken, unfair, or being gamed. I hope it's not this one.



So, is there anyone who could enlighten me on how Cam4 ranks models on the front page and could explain why some models with very low viewer counts shot to the 1st row?

And what can we legitimately do to increase our ranking?

Kim - Cam4
07-09-2015, 08:45 AM
I had previously assumed Cam4's model ranking was strongly influenced by viewer counts. Well, several times now I have seen other models rank on the 1st and 2nd rows with very low viewer counts. The models did not have super high star ratings either, so I suspect star ratings carry little weight. Tonight a model with about 90 viewers was on the 1st row above users with 200 to 415 viewers having equal or higher star ratings. The difference was much greater on other occasions.

I have only a few explanations for this.


The ranking is heavily determined by a model's earnings. Maybe in descending order of earnings, viewers, stars???
The ranking is strongly influenced by a factor unknown to me (such as subscriber count, time online, goal price, private price, category, country of origin, IP location, latency, bandwidth, resolution...)
Cam4's ranking is broken, unfair, or being gamed. I hope it's not this one.



So, is there anyone who could enlighten me on how Cam4 ranks models on the front page and could explain why some models with very low viewer counts shot to the 1st row?

And what can we legitimately do to increase our ranking?


Hello Bristol,

The way performers are displayed on the directory page is in order of the most viewers. If you find a performer that is in first place but has lower viewers and time online then someone from our Tech team is working with that performer as they state they are having a problem. If when we place a performer in that area and they receive no new viewers, then there is an issue and we can start to investigate from our side. If we see that viewers have no trouble entering, then we start by trouble shooting from the performers side.

I hope that helps hon.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.

Kim

Kim - Cam4
07-09-2015, 08:51 AM
I want to add..

When applicable, every fourth cam you will see will be a private or group show cam. We did this to help our members find those performers who are doing private/group shows. In many sites these shows are bumped to the end but we wanted to highlight them for our members who are only seeking these types of shows.

RaeRae
07-12-2015, 06:58 PM
I have to admit, Cam4 is going much better for me this time around. The first time (back almost 2 years ago) it was hard to get guys to talk to me and especially to tip or go private. This time around, it's been easier to make money :) Definitely treating me better than CB has lately to say the least.

Kim - Cam4
07-13-2015, 10:04 PM
Hello Rae!

Yeah, that's awesome news. Onward and upward!

Kim

Femmestudent
07-15-2015, 08:44 PM
Im looking for another egg, is Cam4 still offering the promo they had last summer for new models?

Kim - Cam4
07-15-2015, 09:27 PM
Im looking for another egg, is Cam4 still offering the promo they had last summer for new models?

Hello Femmestudent,

Please contact me at [email protected] and I'll get some information from you and let you know.

Thanks!
Kim

hyori
07-15-2015, 09:34 PM
Does Cam4 pay in CDN or USD? If you are a Canadian model what currency is calculated?

Kim - Cam4
07-15-2015, 09:36 PM
Hello Hyori,

All funds are paid out in USD hon. If you use Payoneer and receive LBT's you can have added to your bank in your local currency.

Kim

SaraLaughs
08-07-2015, 07:50 AM
So I kind of discounted cam4 the last year due to previous complaints about low paying traffic and hardcore exhibitionist chat hosts. But I was creepin' there the other day and was intrigued by the site culture and it did seem like there was some financial action going on.

For those of you who are on cam4, how is it these days? I understand tipping sites tend to be a different/harder hustle than private based, but is it worth the signup overall? Would appreciate any feedback bb's.

Tsani
08-07-2015, 12:46 PM
It's different for different people. Different hustles work on different sites for different people. The best way to know for sure if it's worth it for you is to try it out. There is money to be made there, but you've gotta have a high tolerance for freeloaders and know how to deal with them, just like any token site. I haven't cammed there since before some of the recent improvements and I've heard it's been better since then so you might as well check it out.

SaraLaughs
08-08-2015, 02:42 PM
Fair point :) Mainly I was wondering about (good) traffic on average, but I suppose even if I collect median data, it won't tell me what I really want to know. Thanks!

Bristol
08-08-2015, 11:55 PM
For those of you who are on cam4, how is it these days? I understand tipping sites tend to be a different/harder hustle than private based, but is it worth the signup overall? Would appreciate any feedback bb's.

I've been working the site fairly consistently for the past 9 months. These are my opinions and I'm not going to hold back for fear of embarrassing Cam4 reps.

It's a very strange site, and very difficult to hustle. I did horribly the first 6 months. I vowed to quit and did quit three dozen times out of frustration. Only the hourly bonus kept me going. Even after 9 months I still have trouble, but I did find a couple decent tippers who occasionally make up for numerous $5 days. I definitely cannot survive on Cam4 alone. Sorry Cam4 reps, but even after 9 months of weekly camming the great tippers just aren't there. It's very hit and miss. There are tons and tons and tons of freeloaders barking commands at you.

Take everything you know about performing and toss it out the window. Nothing that works reliably on other sites seems to work reliably here. Find a hustle that worked today? Great. Tomorrow it won't work, so now you try something different. What works is unpredictable. The only real working strategy is to build up a subscriber following. That takes time, consistency, and working social media sites. The Cam4 "performer training" often mentions building up a subscriber following is important. Subscribers are important elsewhere too, but on other sites it's just not as critical. I made money on day one on Streamate even with no subscribers, no fans, and no prior history. I've done this on other sites: LiveJasmin, Cams, and Chaturbate, but that was not the case with Cam4.

There's only two reasons I keep working Cam4. 1) Their fast bank payment method. 2) The 50-59% payout.

The bank payment is very nice. You can cash out whenever you want, and you get the money between 3 to 6 business days. Three calendar days are for tokens to clear a probation period. Three business days are for Payoneer to bank transfer. And best yet, I'm tipped with tokens a customer purchased a week ago, then they already went through the probation period, so I could get them as fast as 3 days (instead of 6).

Frankly, I think sites that payout 25% to 35% are abusive. Cam4 is very fair with their payout rate. The 50-59% payout is approximate depending on what token bundle the customer buys. The more tokens they buy, the less they pay for them, so the payout ratio changes.

A few other comments.

Cam4's interface is nice. You can block people even if they're offline (a perpetual annoyance on Streamate).

I rarely get privates, and I can count on one hand the number of privates I've gotten. I don't do very well with token shows. I make the most by selling Skype shows for tokens. However, Cam4 customers have a considerably lower tolerance for pricing. I end up charging 50% less than what I do on Streamate. Despite trying, I can't entice Cam4 customers to pay more. However, it's not too bad because Cam4's payout makes up for a lot of it.

When I set my prices for Skype shows, I only care about the net rate I receive (not the gross rate). So, my Cam4 net rate is about 25% less than the net rate I receive on Streamate. It's also lower because I align my prices to the bundle prices Cam4 sells. They sell bundles in 50/100/250/500/1000 tokens. 250 tokens would be too much, so I drop down to the next level: 100 tokens. Also, generally we charge less for block shows than minute shows, so a 25% reduction is pretty reasonable if you think about it that way.

Another major annoyance is the number of customers who keep harassing you to accept PayPal. It's unbelievable how many customers I've turned away because I refused to break the rules and expose myself by going offsite through PayPal.

Cam4 reps: Please find a way to accept PayPal as a payment method. You're leaving tons and tons and tons of money on the table. A lot of the customers are Europeans without credit cards and that's the only way they can pay.

I think Cam4's weirdness stems from their history. If I recall correctly, it originally wasn't a token site. All the performers were "enthusiasts" who performed for free, so I think that set an expectation that's been hard for Cam4 to shake even after all these years. When customers are trained to expect free stuff, they are more difficult to convert to paying customers.

As for customer support, I contacted them a few times for various things. My questions and problems got answered and solved quickly so they're good on support.

As for chargebacks, I did end up losing some money from chargebacks. It only happened twice in 9 months. The total chargebacks to total earnings ratio was about 1% to 1.5%. Hardly noticeable to be honest. Chargebacks only happen during the 3 day probation period. After 3 days, you're protected.

So, given all the roses and thorns, would I recommend you to signup to Cam4 as a performer?

Yeah. I guess. Give it a go.

But remember it's an odd one. If you need a secondary site to work, it's good as a backup. It won't be your primary until after you've built up a fan list so don't expect to be working it as your main site out of the gate. Also, the payout is very favorable so I really like that part. Overall it's a difficult site that requires a ton of patience.

SaraLaughs
08-10-2015, 02:57 AM
Thank you so much for that explanation Bristol! Very thorough, I really appreciate it. :)

Femmestudent
09-05-2015, 03:30 PM
Hey is anyone else on here working this site??

I just got signed up and started this week. They have a new promo that they gave me instead of the 10$ per hour/ 1000 hours. They offered me 120$/week for 8hrs a week of work.

I made it through my 8 hours this week. I also made about 60$ in tips in that time. The bonus and tips make it a decent hourly for a first week on a new site but not amazing. Hopefully Ill build up some regular tippers in these 8 weeks.

The traffic is what it is, Im very firm with the doods about need to pay to see the fun stuff.

Kim - Cam4
09-05-2015, 04:48 PM
Thank you Bristol for that wonderful feedback. I like people that are honest and shoot straight from the hip and you did that. Feedback helps us tremendously and we DO listen to our performers/members.

If anyone ever has any questions/problems, always feel free to contact me at [email protected] or you can hit me up on Twitter @cam4_Kim

Have a great holiday weekend Ladies if you're celebrating one!
Kim

SaraLaughs
09-06-2015, 12:55 AM
Hey is anyone else on here working this site??

I just got signed up and started this week. They have a new promo that they gave me instead of the 10$ per hour/ 1000 hours. They offered me 120$/week for 8hrs a week of work.

I made it through my 8 hours this week. I also made about 60$ in tips in that time. The bonus and tips make it a decent hourly for a first week on a new site but not amazing. Hopefully Ill build up some regular tippers in these 8 weeks.

The traffic is what it is, Im very firm with the doods about need to pay to see the fun stuff.

How many weeks is this bonus applicable for? Is it continuous (like you need to work every single week for 8 hours til the bonus ends), or will it carry over if you miss a week? Thanks in advance :)

Kim - Cam4
09-06-2015, 10:49 AM
Hello Sara,

Each region is different. Would you please contact me at [email protected] and I will find out some additional information from you and we can go from there.

Thanks!
Kim

Femmestudent
09-06-2015, 11:02 AM
It lasts for 8 weeks for me. Your the same country as me so I assume you would get the same deal.

Tsani
09-06-2015, 12:08 PM
Is the bonus available to models who used to work on Cam4 but have since retired and deleted their account but want to come back under a new persona/stage name?

Kim - Cam4
09-07-2015, 01:07 PM
Hello Tsani! Long time no talk to...

I'm afraid it's only open to new performers hon.. first time.