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Tsani
09-07-2015, 01:16 PM
I figured as much, but I just had to ask :) Thanks for answering!
Kim - Cam4
09-07-2015, 01:21 PM
You're more than welcome hon.. any time..
JaneBurgess
09-07-2015, 04:31 PM
Pretty sure PP wont be added. PP doesnt want to be used for most adult transactions, its a high risk on their end.
I've been working the site fairly consistently for the past 9 months. These are my opinions and I'm not going to hold back for fear of embarrassing Cam4 reps.
It's a very strange site, and very difficult to hustle. I did horribly the first 6 months. I vowed to quit and did quit three dozen times out of frustration. Only the hourly bonus kept me going. Even after 9 months I still have trouble, but I did find a couple decent tippers who occasionally make up for numerous $5 days. I definitely cannot survive on Cam4 alone. Sorry Cam4 reps, but even after 9 months of weekly camming the great tippers just aren't there. It's very hit and miss. There are tons and tons and tons of freeloaders barking commands at you.
Take everything you know about performing and toss it out the window. Nothing that works reliably on other sites seems to work reliably here. Find a hustle that worked today? Great. Tomorrow it won't work, so now you try something different. What works is unpredictable. The only real working strategy is to build up a subscriber following. That takes time, consistency, and working social media sites. The Cam4 "performer training" often mentions building up a subscriber following is important. Subscribers are important elsewhere too, but on other sites it's just not as critical. I made money on day one on Streamate even with no subscribers, no fans, and no prior history. I've done this on other sites: LiveJasmin, Cams, and Chaturbate, but that was not the case with Cam4.
There's only two reasons I keep working Cam4. 1) Their fast bank payment method. 2) The 50-59% payout.
The bank payment is very nice. You can cash out whenever you want, and you get the money between 3 to 6 business days. Three calendar days are for tokens to clear a probation period. Three business days are for Payoneer to bank transfer. And best yet, I'm tipped with tokens a customer purchased a week ago, then they already went through the probation period, so I could get them as fast as 3 days (instead of 6).
Frankly, I think sites that payout 25% to 35% are abusive. Cam4 is very fair with their payout rate. The 50-59% payout is approximate depending on what token bundle the customer buys. The more tokens they buy, the less they pay for them, so the payout ratio changes.
A few other comments.
Cam4's interface is nice. You can block people even if they're offline (a perpetual annoyance on Streamate).
I rarely get privates, and I can count on one hand the number of privates I've gotten. I don't do very well with token shows. I make the most by selling Skype shows for tokens. However, Cam4 customers have a considerably lower tolerance for pricing. I end up charging 50% less than what I do on Streamate. Despite trying, I can't entice Cam4 customers to pay more. However, it's not too bad because Cam4's payout makes up for a lot of it.
When I set my prices for Skype shows, I only care about the net rate I receive (not the gross rate). So, my Cam4 net rate is about 25% less than the net rate I receive on Streamate. It's also lower because I align my prices to the bundle prices Cam4 sells. They sell bundles in 50/100/250/500/1000 tokens. 250 tokens would be too much, so I drop down to the next level: 100 tokens. Also, generally we charge less for block shows than minute shows, so a 25% reduction is pretty reasonable if you think about it that way.
Another major annoyance is the number of customers who keep harassing you to accept PayPal. It's unbelievable how many customers I've turned away because I refused to break the rules and expose myself by going offsite through PayPal.
Cam4 reps: Please find a way to accept PayPal as a payment method. You're leaving tons and tons and tons of money on the table. A lot of the customers are Europeans without credit cards and that's the only way they can pay.
I think Cam4's weirdness stems from their history. If I recall correctly, it originally wasn't a token site. All the performers were "enthusiasts" who performed for free, so I think that set an expectation that's been hard for Cam4 to shake even after all these years. When customers are trained to expect free stuff, they are more difficult to convert to paying customers.
As for customer support, I contacted them a few times for various things. My questions and problems got answered and solved quickly so they're good on support.
As for chargebacks, I did end up losing some money from chargebacks. It only happened twice in 9 months. The total chargebacks to total earnings ratio was about 1% to 1.5%. Hardly noticeable to be honest. Chargebacks only happen during the 3 day probation period. After 3 days, you're protected.
So, given all the roses and thorns, would I recommend you to signup to Cam4 as a performer?
Yeah. I guess. Give it a go.
But remember it's an odd one. If you need a secondary site to work, it's good as a backup. It won't be your primary until after you've built up a fan list so don't expect to be working it as your main site out of the gate. Also, the payout is very favorable so I really like that part. Overall it's a difficult site that requires a ton of patience.
Kim - Cam4
09-07-2015, 05:27 PM
Hello Ms Jane.. long time no see hon.
We are actually looking into getting Paypal added as a payout method. Fingers crossed.
Kim - Cam4
09-07-2015, 06:24 PM
Hello Ms Jane.. long time no see hon.
We are actually looking into getting Paypal added as a payout method. Fingers crossed.
KatyBoleyn
09-07-2015, 10:30 PM
We'd be extremely interested to see how that goes. The recently started spamming me to re-open my Paypal after they closed it when I did my inquiry on the matter a few months ago.
Kim - Cam4
09-08-2015, 04:30 AM
Hello Katy,
I will let you know as soon as I know more information.
Kim
JaneBurgess
09-08-2015, 12:36 PM
Hi Kim. How are you?
Hello Ms Jane.. long time no see hon.
We are actually looking into getting Paypal added as a payout method. Fingers crossed.
Kim - Cam4
09-08-2015, 01:02 PM
I'm doing well Jane.. how are you doing? Ready for fall?
JaneBurgess
09-09-2015, 09:08 PM
I am ready, so over the AZ summer. I also popped on the site and realized I have $137 I never cashed out, so I just did. I also broadcasted a few minutes and was tipped 35 tokens which equaled $3.50. So Im guessing we are paid a dollar per every 10 tokens. Is that right?
I'm doing well Jane.. how are you doing? Ready for fall?
Kim - Cam4
09-10-2015, 06:53 AM
I know, I'm so glad Autumn is here and am praying for LOTS of snow here this year. Last year we were like in the Bermuda triangle - snow all around us but not on us.
And yes.. 1.00 per 10 tokens.
Femmestudent
09-10-2015, 08:03 PM
Kim,
I have not received my bonus payment come through yet, can you look into this for me?
Kim - Cam4
09-11-2015, 12:08 AM
Sure.. did you write to me today Femme? I know I've heard from two people today and I am looking into theirs.
Bristol
09-24-2015, 09:53 PM
New problem with cam4. I have this guy who keeps harassing me during my shows. I ban him and then he comes back with a clone account. Ban that and he keeps coming back. He's made about 15 accounts. I've reported them all and asked customer support to do something--no response. And he's not even a tipper so it's not like there's a reason to tread lightly with him.
This guy is SERIOUSLY fucking with my ability to do shows. I can't keep him out of my room. And he's too sneaky for moderaters to figure him out because they're not usually aware of his M.O.
I really wish I could ban him by IP address. If he keeps doing this, I may have to quit cam4. I'm not making enough to make this shit worth dealing with. I could just focus more of my attention on streamate and chaturbate.
Kim - Cam4
09-25-2015, 12:24 PM
Hello Bristol,
I'm sorry to hear you are having an issue. Without knowing who it is or any of the background it's hard for me to comment. Please feel free to email me the details at
[email protected]
Have a great weekend everyone!
Femmestudent
10-04-2015, 02:40 PM
Just had a killer hour on cam4. SM was super slow for me because of NFL I suspect, so I thought why no try Cam4, I have the bonus and Ill at least make a few tips. Bam hit a small whale there! Whats our term for a small whale? Tuna? Cod? regardless thank you cam goddess!
Kim - Cam4
10-08-2015, 08:23 AM
Thank you for sharing your experience Femme! Let me know how you continue to do hon..
Kim
JaneBurgess
10-08-2015, 03:07 PM
How do you get traffic on the site into your room? I log in and I get like 15 guys if I'm lucky.
Femmestudent
10-08-2015, 08:20 PM
I don't do anything to direct traffic, I let them take care of that. Ive actually found a bitchy personality makes me more cash their than a sweet one
sheshe
10-10-2015, 05:57 AM
I been working on Cam4 for almost a year but today I received a PM from Cam4 admin saying Welcome to Cam4. Lol weird.
Kim - Cam4
10-17-2015, 05:36 AM
*laughs*.. You know Femme.. I've noted that. I think they like a challenge at times.
Sheshe.. It is just a friendly hello from us to you to let you know we're here if you need anything!
Have an awesome weekend Ladies!
cat2015
10-18-2015, 09:02 AM
I am new in here, I applied for a cam4 account a few days ago, but unfortunately my account has been shutted down by CAM4 2 minutes after , I would like to konw the VPN service cause problem? i living in china,i have to use VPN to sign up with any modeling acount.
caramelcraze
10-18-2015, 05:42 PM
I am new in here, I applied for a cam4 account a few days ago, but unfortunately my account has been shutted down by CAM4 2 minutes after , I would like to konw the VPN service cause problem? i living in china,i have to use VPN to sign up with any modeling acount.
I don't work cam4, but I had this problem on another site. If your vpn is routed through a high risk country, it can cause problems on some sites. hopefully Kim will chime in, because i've always wondered about vpn use on this site.
Kim - Cam4
11-06-2015, 10:45 PM
Hello Cat.. If you could be so kind as to private me your user name I will take a peek at your account.
You can send me an email at
[email protected]
Thank you Caramel.. maybe one day you will give us a whirl!
Bristol
11-09-2015, 12:38 PM
Guys keep asking me if "I'm game" or "got game" or just plain "game?". I can't figure out why they're doing it. I ask them what they mean by "game" but they don't respond except for one who did respond last night. He said he didn't type "game". He had no idea what I was talking about. I don't know what's going on here or if Cam4's in-chat translation has a bug.
Or maybe "game" actually means something? But I never see it on other sites. It's really quite irritating not knowing what it is or why guys keep typing it in chat.
Tsani
11-09-2015, 01:10 PM
Could be their text censors. They may have been saying something that's banned there such as mother, sister, dog, or any other family relation or animal. Or something else entirely that's not allowed. I'm not sure why they would replace the text with "game" though... I've had issues with their text censors before so probably asking support what that's about might help. Maybe next time they say that, ask if they're actually saying "game" or something else.
caramelcraze
11-28-2015, 07:16 PM
I'm setting up an account and have a question: Am I missing the direct deposit option, or is there only wire? I see that you can route it through payoneer, but I don't see the charge for US models on the bank transfer chart ANYWHERE.
ShyCamgirlBB
12-09-2015, 10:29 AM
Pulling myself from Cam4. I found two recordings of me from two different privates that I did earlier this week....
It had info about the stream on the top left corner. I think Cam4 sells it's private shows to this site for whatever reason. If it was just one show, then I would have guessed it could have been the customer but I'm suspecting Cam4. Msg me for the link.
shyoncam
12-16-2015, 11:08 AM
Can someone tell me what is the chirpy sounding thing you hear sometimes on this site? Its not a tipping noise because I looked at my earnings remained at zero after I heard that. And is there a way to turn these random sounds off? I was thinking of trying this site again but I like to use a Ohmibod in my shows so I need to be able to completely silence the non tippers.
Bristol
12-16-2015, 06:05 PM
Can someone tell me what is the chirpy sounding thing you hear sometimes on this site? Its not a tipping noise because I looked at my earnings remained at zero after I heard that. And is there a way to turn these random sounds off? I was thinking of trying this site again but I like to use a Ohmibod in my shows so I need to be able to completely silence the non tippers.
The "Star Wars" chirping sound? I think it's supposed to be a nod to the movie. It plays when you begin broadcasting and whenever you change the goal or title text. I just go to the desktop volume control and turn the volume down for Firefox, since I load Cam4 in Firefox. Although, it might be good "cam strategy" to keep it on so the customer gets tip feedback through the video stream.
I made and account a few weeks ago but couldn't pull myself to try it. Today, finally, I logged on and staying for a while as my old site has completely fucked up. Is there any tip I could use?
- I am currently studying so I can't dedicate more than 1, 2, some days 3 hours per day to camming. Is it worth it in this site?
- I saw many girls also do skype shows and lots of guys asked me for it. Yep or no?
I made and account a few weeks ago but couldn't pull myself to try it. Today, finally, I logged on and staying for a while as my old site has completely fucked up. Is there any tip I could use?
- I am currently studying so I can't dedicate more than 1, 2, some days 3 hours per day to camming. Is it worth it in this site?
- I saw many girls also do skype shows and lots of guys asked me for it. Yep or no?
And how the hell do privates work?! *rage* Are they supposed to invite me to a private and I'll get tokens depending on the time? Is there a way the chat can end without giving me my tokens??
Bristol
12-17-2015, 10:08 PM
I saw many girls also do skype shows and lots of guys asked me for it. Yep or no?
I sell skype shows for tokens. I usually make more selling skype shows than in-site privates, even though my skype shows are at a discount. In-site privates are just rare for me. Customers will pressure you to switch to paypal. Don't do it. It will reveal your true identity (not to mention against terms of service). Try to set your rate to match or be close to the token bundles customers purchase. They come in 50, 100, 250, 500, 1000 bundles. If they have to purchase 250 tokens for a 150 token show, they might be discouraged from following through. Tokens are worth double 10¢ than what they are on other sites 5¢, so factor that into your prices. Look around and see what other girls are charging.
Are they supposed to invite me to a private and I'll get tokens depending on the time?
Yep. You get a popup request to private. The customer has to initiate if you want to get paid. If you initiate, then you would pay him. Just a warning though, don't use Chrome on Cam4. I was for several weeks and every time I got a private request, it would refuse to start when I clicked accept. I switched to Firefox and it worked from then on. I lost at least $75 in privates due this Chrome bug.
Is there a way the chat can end without giving me my tokens??
No. Tokens that accumulate by minute are yours (not including the 3 day wait for the tokens to clear). Disconnecting won't erase tokens earned so far.
Kim - Cam4
01-17-2016, 06:18 PM
@Bristol - thanks as always for your help hon. I sent you a private message with a question as well.
@anni - Did you get all your questions answered hon or do you still have some questions regarding privates?
@ShyCamgirlBB - I sent you a private message as well with a question. I do want to be very clear, Cam4 does not record or sell our performers streams. We never have done this nor will we. What may be an issue is a bug and I'm interested in finding out if it's being done, how it is so that it can be stopped immediately. Feel free to respond to my private message hon or you can write me at any time at
[email protected]
SweetJulia
01-17-2016, 09:36 PM
Hi, I was wondering if they were still offering base pay and, if so, how much and for how long? Thanks :)
Kim - Cam4
01-25-2016, 12:10 AM
Hi, I was wondering if they were still offering base pay and, if so, how much and for how long? Thanks :)
Hello Julia!
Please send me an email so I can find out some additional information to better answer your question. You can mail me at
[email protected]
Talk soon!
Kim
Sam38g
01-25-2016, 01:00 AM
I went to the site just now, had a pop under for live jasmin and bottom of the page was streamate white label. Found that to be very strange. Please explain.
Was going to sign up cause I liked cam4 responses on xbiz forums, now I don't know
SweetJulia
01-28-2016, 12:55 AM
Hello Julia!
Please send me an email so I can find out some additional information to better answer your question. You can mail me at
[email protected]
Talk soon!
Kim
Email sent :) in the meantime, can any girls on here answer? I'm impatient lol. Plus, I can split them with another site offering hourly pay.
Tsani
01-28-2016, 01:57 PM
It really does depend on some factors, you're best to wait for Kim to reply for accurate answers.
This is my limited knowledge on the subject: I think it only applies to new models who haven't ever streamed there before and the rate and eligibility depends on your location (country)... I think. I'm pretty sure the program has changed since I was on the site. When I joined (years ago), it was $10 an hour for US models for your first 100 hours. Also, if you took a break for a month or so, they would remove you from the hourly program and you couldn't get back on. Also they would remove you if you just sat there with the camera zoomed in on a body part or something and didn't interact with the site members at all (so no voyeur). But like I said, that was years ago and I don't have any info on the current program.
The program is intended to help you out and encourage you to work there while you get used to the site and the members and build your following. It's like any other token site in that you need to actively interact and build your following to make decent money.
SweetJulia
02-02-2016, 07:49 PM
Hi-I did email Kim and am still waiting for an answer :(
LustyLark
02-03-2016, 11:37 AM
I too would like to know about base pay as I am looking for another site
JenniferNorth
02-03-2016, 11:42 AM
All you guys trying to get in contact with Kim: I did Cam4 in 2014, and you really have to stay on top of her. I had issues where she said I was in the program, and I wasn't (or at least my earnings didn't reflect that), so I gave up. I would just stay on top of her every few days or so-that's what I had to do to get answers. I hope it's improved since then!
DelishIrish
02-18-2016, 01:57 AM
Hmm, I'm wondering if it's worth it now to sign up, after Sam's post didn't get a response... *raises eyebrow
jasmine22
02-26-2016, 10:33 PM
How long did it take to receive your first check?
LustyLark
02-26-2016, 10:42 PM
I don't know as I never had a response about base pay so I never signed up.
Tsani
04-17-2016, 12:17 PM
Adding this discussion to the thread: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?209400-Be-careful-Cam4-stole-my-money
I know Kim occasionally posts in/watches this thread so I'd be curious to see what she has to say about this or if she can help with the situation.
Kim - Cam4
04-17-2016, 01:01 PM
Hello Sam!
Please don't let the adverts keep you from the site! These are shown to people who have either not logged in or are a basic member.
Let me know if you have any other questions hon.
Kim
Kim - Cam4
04-17-2016, 01:04 PM
Ladies,
If you wrote to me and have not heard back, then I did not receive your email. Please write me back and let me know here that you have so I can look for it. I always reply to mail received, promise.
My email is:
[email protected] or you can add me to Twitter @cam4_Kim and DM me there. I will be happy to answer any questions you may have.
Thanks again Tsani!
Kim
Kim - Cam4
04-17-2016, 01:13 PM
By-the-way ladies.... In the past some of you commented that you did not like the private show rates. We have updated our private show prices to give you more freedom! You can now select a range from 12 tokens to 120 tokens per minute giving you way more flexibility with your earnings. Spies rates have also increased!
If you try the new rates I would love to hear your feedback!
evecandauli
04-19-2016, 10:26 AM
Dear,
Thanks to all my colleagues that supports me
The guy ensure to me that the credit card was not stolen (even he sent funds directly to my credit card & the operation was done normally & he puts his name/ adress & confirm to me that he was the sender) so it sure now that cam4 stoles my 1000$.
Any way cam4 (kim) pretend that he answers of all mail that he received in this thread.
you can see below that he never answer me when sending mail:
44749
You can see that also by his answer that he accept to ban people from the first time without reason (this is something normal for cam4).
Best regards.