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Your wish to not talk to some guys without being paid for it is your choice but please respect many girls do not follow the same rules as you do.
Uh well........ getting paid is kind of the whole ~point~ of this forum....
I just hope nobody records you then tells you they will put it on the internet and alot more.
Chances are you are already on tube sites... recorded by guys other than the one discussed.
And 99% of camgirls have had this threat (with the man thinking he'll get free shows out of it). It's one you need to ignore.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 09:10 AM
Re: Fake complaints due to me deleting master_8020 from skype
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Chapter 4
1: So this abuse carried on. One of my good friends *NAME EDITED* had her birthday and we have been friends for a very long time on skype and cam4. I always go to her room and she goes to mine when we are on. During cats birthday cam4 party master came to her room. As it was cats Birthday I so wanted peace and not have master keep msgs me and being abusive so I msg him first and told him to have a truce today as it was cats birthday. I was a moderator in cats room so it was a warning to master not to start his abuse again or I would just ban him. See evidence 5. I asked for a truce as its cats birthday but all he said was he would not for me. He calls me nothing? Well how funny is that? From wanting me to be his wife and invited to his home. I tipped cat 600 tokens by this time and master was pissed as he wanted to be Mr money bags in the room again and as u can see from his msg he tells me to do it away from from him. Why should I leave cats room?
2: I am cats best friend we talk all the time on skype so as I was mod I banned master as I did not want any issues at all in cats room. As usual the bans did not work and master remained in the room so I decided to leave cats room instead as it was not fair on cat on her birthday to have master making issues in her room. I tipped cat 650 and 3 x 50 gifts a total of 800 tokens so where were the cam4 admins then when I requested help from the report abuse button in the room? I left and the abuser stayed what sense does that make! U can see where I told master to leave on his own and his reply was " Not my decision to make" Well as mod it is my decision to make not his so he tells me to " well try me" so I banned him. You can see as well i am on pvts to mystic as well letting her know about him. She thinks hes just an idiot but master thinks all his "girls" are special to him.
3: So as I stated before I was no longer prepared to put up with master's threats and abuse and cam4 did nothing so one of my brothers msgs master on skype and told him if he did not stop then he would send the logs to his company and they, hopefully, will make him stop!
Cam4 has no right what so ever to interfere on anything that goes on outside of cam4 and cam4 is not the police nor has the right to tell me not to inform my family, my solicitor or any other party about his abuse. And if the advice I am given by my own government to inform his company on his abuse cam4 have no right to interfere on that. If cam4 can not police their own site and protect us girls from abuse, threats and any other kind of abuses then we must protect ourselves.
Chapter 5 to follow
Whyyy oh why would you ever reply to him in that chat? Why even ACKNOWLEDGE him in your friend's room? He wants your attention, positive or negative, and you are giving it to him at this point.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 09:21 AM
Please forgive me as maybe I have been misunderstood a little. Sure cam4 type sites as a source of income for many girls and I am sorry that so many need the money that they resort to having to do web cam sites. How many would do them if they had a million bucks in the bank. I made alot of money as a fashion model and worked for many big agencies and my reasons for now doing wen cam work are not all about money, even though 1700 tokens plus for a few hours work is nice.
Most of my skype guys have known me from my old site and still pay just to talk to me on skype. But I don't always say to them, hey I will only talk if u give me money. U will soon lose many big tippers that way. They pay 100$ one day for a chat or 200$ then I will talk to them for free for a while. I can assure u most the big tippers on cam4 and I know most of them will drop you like a hot brick if they think you taking tokens and using them only for tokens. Among the tippers u get guys who tip big in the room like 2500 plus then they want to just chat on skype a while. This is how it happends.
Nikki_Fox
08-02-2013, 09:29 AM
maybe I am missing something but I have really yet to see the abusive screenshots ?? maybe I missed something in the deleting and adding back but from what I have seen - you are just telling your story - nothing so far IMHO has shown an actual threat - annoying behavior - yes but I must be missing something ???
edited to add - your comment was a little insulting to the ladies here who cam for a living - i'm really sorry that you see the profession in that light but your experience in camming for free does not give you reason to pity the rest of the ladies who dont
quote miss_venture
Please forgive me as maybe I have been misunderstood a little. Sure cam4 type sites as a source of income for many girls and I am sorry that so many need the money that they resort to having to do web cam sites. How many would do them if they had a million bucks in the bank. I made alot of money as a fashion model and worked for many big agencies and my reasons for now doing wen cam work are not all about money, even though 1700 tokens plus for a few hours work is nice.
Most of my skype guys have known me from my old site and still pay just to talk to me on skype. But I don't always say to them, hey I will only talk if u give me money. U will soon lose many big tippers that way. They pay 100$ one day for a chat or 200$ then I will talk to them for free for a while. I can assure u most the big tippers on cam4 and I know most of them will drop you like a hot brick if they think you taking tokens and using them only for tokens. Among the tippers u get guys who tip big in the room like 2500 plus then they want to just chat on skype a while. This is how it happends.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 09:36 AM
Hi gurl thank you for your input. If cam4 bans worked the way they should then this would be alot easier for girls and mods.
U silence a person and they just refresh and come back in again and start again. It was my good friends cam4 b/day party and the last thing she needed was issues in her room. When I saw this creep come In i tried and failed to get him to stop his bull. Why does cam4 have an abuse button to report these creeps? It should not be left to us girls to police our rooms when most the times bans don't work, silence does not work, and admins do not answer our abuse calls. i am sorry but web cam sites make alot of money from web cam models and cam4 owes girls a duty of care when we are on their site.
Since hearing of my issues so many other girls have emailed me and contacted me and left cam4 over it as they have suffered the same.
I thought cam4 was getting somewhere when a cam4 admin, ben, sent me a DM on twitter asking me to contact him on skype as he was so impressed at the way I was promoting cam4. He offered me a job, tokens to spend helping new girls and well as many other perks including giving me a free gold membership. But he ended up being a creep when he asked me for my home address. I am sorry maybe I am wrong but no cam4 admin should ever ask a girl for her home address.
The only people that should have it are the accounts guys when u sign up and have your account AUTH.
laurielegs
08-02-2013, 09:38 AM
Please forgive me as maybe I have been misunderstood a little. Sure cam4 type sites as a source of income for many girls and I am sorry that so many need the money that they resort to having to do web cam sites. How many would do them if they had a million bucks in the bank. I made alot of money as a fashion model and worked for many big agencies and my reasons for now doing wen cam work are not all about money, even though 1700 tokens plus for a few hours work is nice.
Who would do ANY job if they had a million bucks in the bank?
I am not "resorting to having to do web cam sites". That's a pretty insulting thing to say to us. It is a choice and I love the convenience of working from home and making my own schedule.
Everyone in the public eye from webcammers to actresses to newscasters (and yes, even fashion models) will eventually get an obsessed fan, no matter what business you are in. The way to handle them is to block them and stop giving them your attention.
Why the hell would you even cam if you aren't in it for the money and you have an issue with it? Why not just go fashion model then if you are making tons of money that way?
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 09:51 AM
Nikki It was not my wish to offend anyone. I will, hopefully, make this a bit clearer. I talk to many many girls from eastern Europe as cam4 is around 80% eastern Europe girls. Every single one of them have told me they would not do web cam work if they could find a real job in their own country. The average wage there is around 300$ a month and most have to pay for medication and hospital visits. So in order to survive " their words not mine " they have to go on cam to make some money. I totally respect all girls who make a good living on cam as a job and I do not go on cam for free I made on average 1500 tokens for an hour or two. I was just pointing out if we all had a million in the bank would we still do it? Just to clear this up i attach a screen shot that I do not work for free. This was from the last time I went on cam
cherryblossomsinspring
08-02-2013, 09:56 AM
[27/04/2013 18:04:54] miss adventure: Hi Bilal, I'd like to add you as a contact. miss adventure*** Bilal has shared contact details with miss adventure. **l am not a token whore like he wants his cam girls to be for him. The clue is in "master" master_8020 insists on being the master and us girls his little slaves to be purchased with his tokens. Most girls found it hard to refuse his advances as he tips 2000 tokens to them at a time and some alot more tokens. But I am not a person to be purchased and this is what this was all about.
You brought up the term " token whore" . Anyone on a cam site that is being paid by men for sexual fun, attention etc is what the cam4 members that have no intention of spending a dime call "token whores".
It's cute to say well it's nice to get tokens but I don't want them but if that's truly the case you can clearly put on your profile " DO NOT TIP ME EVER I'M NOT A TOKEN WHORE".
The term token whore, cam whore etc are used to make women feel bad for collecting money for their services in the adult industry. I'm surprised you actually used it in a way that some how you're better than cam models because you're just a "normal broadcaster".
Also the guy sent you a pm in another room? Guess what? Many guys do that. It's nothing new. Ohh and another option is wait for it... block or ignore.
You actually kept giving this guy and in for what reason I don't even know.
Here's how you could have finished him off without the 4 pages of drama that transpired
Dropped off skype
Blocked country
Blocked from room.
Change phone number.
You said " He called me" umm last time I checked you have to give someone your number for that to happen. Many cam models have learned not to ever give out their real number for the reasons you so easily listed above. We'll give out google voice or some other throw away phone so the person in question never has access to our real life connections.
The end.
Ohh and yes I caught the bit of " I re-added him back on skype to talk more" . Again all you did was give him exactly what he wanted. He used scare tactics on you to get you to run behind him to stop him. In other words he got you to whore out without even the benefit of the money. Yes he got exactly what he didn't even have to pay for. You attention, fear etc. He used whatever he had to and it worked.
Sorry you got played by this guy so terribly but bad attention is better than no attention at all. He got what he paid for ... well in your case he got it all for free.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-02-2013, 10:12 AM
Please forgive me as maybe I have been misunderstood a little. Sure cam4 type sites as a source of income for many girls and I am sorry that so many need the money that they resort to having to do web cam sites. How many would do them if they had a million bucks in the bank. I made alot of money as a fashion model and worked for many big agencies and my reasons for now doing wen cam work are not all about money, even though 1700 tokens plus for a few hours work is nice.
Most of my skype guys have known me from my old site and still pay just to talk to me on skype. But I don't always say to them, hey I will only talk if u give me money. U will soon lose many big tippers that way. They pay 100$ one day for a chat or 200$ then I will talk to them for free for a while. I can assure u most the big tippers on cam4 and I know most of them will drop you like a hot brick if they think you taking tokens and using them only for tokens. Among the tippers u get guys who tip big in the room like 2500 plus then they want to just chat on skype a while. This is how it happends.
So basically you have to pretend you're there to spend time with them to get money and then be ooh so surprised that they're spending it. This is the very reason guys will go on a forum and say they were scammed because they thought you really were in love blah blah. It's not even fantasy you're selling. Still I understand this is the way of some of the women from that area but I've had guys pop in my room and tell me they up and jumped on a plane only to come to the realization that they took a trip to nowhere land and no one was going to meet them. This is what makes guys turn crazy and fast.
One moment you're saying it's an exchange and the next you're not into it for the money. You're only confusing yourself and your customers. This is why those types turn nasty fast. There are of course some other men that even when you tell them you're at WORK they delude themselves but they were told ahead of time.
It's odd for me to even read "they will drop you like a hot brick if they think you taking tokens and using them only for tokens". It's so strange to read " USING". When does anyone go to work and think I'm USING this company for a paycheck. When that's actually the reason people are there in the first place. Exchange of services, give and take. It's just basic needs vs wants being exhanged.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 10:16 AM
Cherry did u not read my posts ? I stated I gave him a number I do not use and a number from a free sim.
Maybe you are missing the point. We report these guys to the web site admin and we expect them to deal with them.
It should not be left for us to deal with them on cam4.
I blocked his country on options but he uses a VPN so gets around the blocks.
The point here is cam4 should have banned him due to the abuse but they did not as he was a big spender.
I did not know how much information this guy had on me as as when others told me the same things about him after he got nasty I found that he had got hold of a few girls home address's as well their family.
I wanted him to stop and see sense on what he was doing so I tried to talk to him but it was of no use.
If I just blocked him, kept him off skype and all the other things you stated god knows what he would have done as he did so much to others I now know about.
I waited for one of my brothers to come back home from serving overseas and he saw the msgs and took over.
Please do not judge unless the same thing happens to you and you are forced to deal with a person on a VPN that hides their identity so I waited till he dropped his guard and let slip to others where he worked and what he does and they passed that information onto me.
My brother then msgs him on skype with a picture of where he works as well as the company he works for so he told him if this carries on then he will email his company and send them the information.
This creep left cam4 soon after and is now over another site. With out the information others gave me and my brothers help he would still be on cam4 doing the same thing as cam4 did nothing.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-02-2013, 10:24 AM
^ Btw that guy that travelled all the way out to that Eastern European country was not happy at all. He was livid. The model in question made up some excuse that she was away on a family trip etc. He finally realized his hopes of getting a 18 modelesque woman to sleep with his out of shape 2inch cock self wasn't going to happen. Aww poor him. How dare she give up such a dashing fellow. He's the type that spends about $30 a week on cam sites and spend the majority of time pushing his yahoo email address and saying " I want to get to know you better". He's always been a "flashing red light " of he's a problem get him away as fast as possible. I'm polite but I always tell him the same thing because he's that type that thinks persistence works. It will NEVER happen.
Actually go ahead and google cam4 and you'll find those complaints from guys that call gasp " models" scams because they felt the were promised a happily ever after.
Now everything you've posted thus far isn't really any fault of cam4. They provided you with enough tools at least in this situation where you could have stopped this problem right away. You continued on so it was really your call.
Also members of cam4 are notorious for screencaps, recording so if it wasn't this guy I'm pretty sure a dozen or so other guys have many videos of you. It's the nature of business and the fact that just because a few people tip doesn't mean the entire room isn't finding ways to benefit off of you, well other than hand over hand pleasures. There are many guys that will record not even say hello to you and you'll be up on their membership site for downloads. That is so easy to do.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 10:39 AM
Cherry I admire your support for cam4 it is very honorable. How about coming over to my cam4 skype room where so many big tippers are who know what this creep is about and let them tell you what they think about cam4 now. Over 20 of them have emailed cam4 over this guy and cam4 did nothing about him. Normal response we do not discuss accounts belonging to others. Rather then pick holes in what ever i say how about supporting girls so they do not have to put up with this abuse on sites. It is wrong for any girl no matter how old or how she acts for a girl to be threatened or abused while on a web cam site. NO means NO If I tell him to stop abusing and go away that's all I need to say. if he carries on while on a web cam site then we report it to the admin and expect them to deal with it.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-02-2013, 10:43 AM
Are you sure that was really a cam4 admin?
Now don't get me wrong on two sites men that worked for cam companies did get out of line. Trying to create some sort of "lets meet" etc etc and I always put them in their place. If they continued then I just left. No reason to work for a company that has people that are not worried about doing their job but worried about getting laid. So in those cases yes I understand and I left two cam sites over it.
The other issue with the member? Eh I think this one you didn't shut him down right away and instead just kept giving him too much attention. Ignore / block etc.
My issues are with the ones that don't spend and sites where blocks don't even work. At cam4 blocks were working just fine. I didn't have any issues with keeping someone out of my room or just keeping them from finding my profile. Even so you can get your own revolving ip address and keep popping up in a new country. I did that once and it worked wonders.
Still there are always going to be abusive types on cam sites. Or what is sounds like wannabe Doms trying to play control freak. Even revolving Ips are work. The guy would need to change his ip to try and come back in after a block. Then after that he would need to refresh his internet connection and then find the site again. Then he needs to locate your room and start all over again. That works and sure a wigged out stalker will do it but it still buys you time. Your picture showed about 1800 people in it. One post from one guy isn't going to even be a blip on the radar in your room. He'll be buried under dozens of comments from horny men wanting attention themselves.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 11:00 AM
Cherry number one this creep uses a VPN that has many many ips on it as well as proxy servers. I know this as I tracked his ip during a conversation on skype. The ip came from a proxy server socks 5.
2: Sure if the bans worked on cam4 then simple to ban but most times they do not.
When many people in the room anyone can just do a drive by abuse in a room and leave before a mod can get to them.
3: When on cam with many users we can not check each pvt msgs from a gold member as so many. But when we do check them and find disgusting abuse i am sorry but many girls find it horrible and hard to ignore and puts them off.
4: Whats the point in having the report abuse button in a room? We hit it no one comes so they carry on abusing and room drive by abuse.
5: Many of these abusers use many accounts as all they do is load up emails and create throw away accounts. One gets banned so what they remove the cookie reload the page and come back again in a few mins even if a admin does ban them.
6: One of my best friends and a top gold star girl had a guy in her room who posted in caps. "I hope someone rapes you and dumps your dead ass in a river" I took a screen shot and reported it but got nothing back. I still have the email and the screen shot. I am sorry but that is very very disturbing for any one to have posted in their room girl or guy.
A direct quote from cam4
Keep Cam4 Fun!
Remember, bans are used to keep the Cam4 Community safe from abuse, illegal activity, and annoying spammers – they are never taken lightly. If you, like most of the incredible Cam4 Community, are here to have some fun, watch some cams, and meet some amazing people from around the world, then you have nothing to worry about!
Cam4, they want, to be a community to have fun on. Well how about banning those that we report for abuse and not letting them keep coming back to do it again. It is not for us to police cam4 its the job of cam4 to police and help keep us safe.
FuriousAngel
08-02-2013, 11:00 AM
12: I fully understand you are on cam4 and only been there a short while so good luck to you and I hope you make a ton of money. I just hope nobody records you then tells you they will put it on the internet and alot more.
Like qurl already stated, you - and likely all of us who have ever cammed online - have already been recorded, and streamed on some tube site somewhere, or passed around on a niche forum in the backwater hangouts of the internetz. Even way back in the day, when I was doing cam work in the late 90's, the guys would screencap us - and some were stupid enough to tell us that they were doing so.
From the sound of your post, you are not really a "cam girl", so to speak. Not a working one, anyways, but more of a social one. Most femmes on here, however, Are working cam girls, and know the ins and outs, ups and downs of cam sites. Spouting off about girls giving away free chats and whatnot... well, sorry honey, but saying that makes you sound like an amateur (saying that with no ill will intended).
Just listen to what has been said here already: Ignore the guy/block him on any and all sites. Pay him no attention. After a while, he will get bored, and find someone else to bother.
There are always going to be the loose screws like that in this business. When they start showing their true, nasty, colors always always Always Ignore them and Walk Away. Do not feed their trolling. It just encourages them.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-02-2013, 11:01 AM
Cherry I admire your support for cam4 it is very honorable. How about coming over to my cam4 skype room where so many big tippers are who know what this creep is about and let them tell you what they think about cam4 now. Over 20 of them have emailed cam4 over this guy and cam4 did nothing about him. Normal response we do not discuss accounts belonging to others. Rather then pick holes in what ever i say how about supporting girls so they do not have to put up with this abuse on sites. It is wrong for any girl no matter how old or how she acts for a girl to be threatened or abused while on a web cam site. NO means NO If I tell him to stop abusing and go away that's all I need to say. if he carries on while on a web cam site then we report it to the admin and expect them to deal with it.
Oh no I'm not really supporting cam4. I'm not even camming on there at the moment. Too many guys calling cam models ahem... "token whores". My point is that your experience is really not all that new. There are many models that dealt with similar guys in a block / ignore fashion and all sites. They keep trying and when she doesn't bite them move onto their next victim.
There's a guy that has never spent a dime on me and is in my room every time I log in. I have blocked him probably 389 times or some odd number. The block on the site i'm on doesn't work well. All he has to do is refresh and he's back in the room. So all day I have to keep clicking block before he decides to type " boring" or some other nasty comment. It annoys me sure but the site isn't going to change how they work. The had a feature that blocked guys permanently but what happened? They lost traffic. Non paying traffic apparently still serves a purpose of making a site seem busy even if those guys are not spending a dime.
You showed a picture of over 1800 people in your room. The reality is that not even 10% of the people watching tipped you. It probably came from 5-10 guys max which is how free chat sites work. My point is once you understand how sites work you just find ways to side step issues as best as possible.
I also see models on cam4 have moderators in their room even some of the moderators have been banned by members that didn't want them shutting them down. I thought that was rather strange but that's how the site works.
My point is nothing you posted really seems all that " ooh bad cam4" with the exception of the admin contacting you and trying to push for personal information. That was unprofessional of him to overstep that line. Now that would have been something to report with screen shots and all. Then again you said he tipped you so maybe you didn't want to rock the boat on collecting money from him during that time.
Also to add that you have come to the right place to vent. Maybe wrong thread but still we have threads specifically for venting about annoying customers or things customers say. Many models would have been more than happy to help you deal with that situation and find way to keep him at bay. There are dozens upon dozens of women that have dealth with members just like this. My point is it's new to you but many have been there done that and find ways around psychotic customers as best as possible.
Ignoring them is quite effective.
Nikki_Fox
08-02-2013, 11:07 AM
That is very unfair of you to say you are not being supported here . Again , on my opinion you have not shown any proof of abuse or threats - just another of many irritating customers
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 11:07 AM
Cherry I am happy to either post a screen shot of him asking for my home address as well as the Dm from twitter asking me to contact him on skype and he 100% is a cam4 admin as he does the cam4UK blogs and twitter. I reported this to him as well direct and he did nothing.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-02-2013, 11:09 AM
Just yesterday a guy popped in with a screen name that reads" killyourself". He's looking for a reaction. If you get all upset and ooh no aaaggghh then he's won. The point is when you've cammed for some time you laugh alot of these men off as if they are just blips on a screen that don't matter. Every once in a while someone will get under my skin but that's because I allow it. I can't blame a cam site completely for it's members. It's free for anyone to sign up but I do get annoyed with where some of the cam sites advertise. Still my JOB is to get paid as easily as fast as possible.
roast
08-02-2013, 11:15 AM
Miss_venture, you should cam on Omegle only. Seriously. There are boundaries you pick up when you work sites for money that people who cam for exhibitionist purposes dont absorb or understand. And those boundaries are necessary. There is always a small group of guys who become maniacs around sex workers (and you are one when youre on a pay-to-play site) and people who do porn for "fun" cant suss them out and end up getting run over, making massive mistakes (that they wouldnt know are mistakes, and I cant blame you), or guys like this to colonizing their minds. Whatever has transpired here is probably something most members of this forum have endured multiple times over and promptly forget about it or it is less of a big deal in theirs minds, which is why we're kind of not absorbing what... the drama is. It isnt that we dont understand but we're on two different perspectives: to an exhibitionist, guys who are irritating on cam are really confusing and they try really hard to figure them out. To a longtime camgirl, a guy who doesnt pay, doesnt get their phone number, Skype name, no interaction, nothing and the model moves on.
Both of these perspectives are fine.... however, guys who see youre naked on the internet who get any amount of attention after they request it... will keep trying to get it. Camgirls tend to get that more rapidly and ignore. Exhibitionists dont and end up exhausted or upset.
Basically to someone who doesnt have boundaries it is a huge deal. For example, Ive seen many many many YouTube videos from people addressing their "haters" or people not appreciating their time/effort... or people write long blog entries about 1-2 people leaving weird comments on their blogs or FBs. That kind of thing doesnt tend to happen among camgirls who do this for an income so much... or we'd end up making those kinds of videos and blog entries every few minutes. We'd all probably be banned from the site of our choice bc admin would get emails every milisecond.
Camming on a site where guys pay but dont "have to" to see the show brings out ppl who dont know what "no" means, I dont know how else to say it. If you dont want to be a camgirl, think money for camming is dumb, want to cam for fun not profit, dont want your image disseminated - that's totally fine. However, society treats people in the sex industry wth a certain level of ownership and familiarity that youre not anticipating or are even shocked by - which is dangerous to you (which is why youre giving out your personal information and writing the admin of Cam4 long long longggg letters) . This kind of thing, an obsessive fan, especially one who doesnt pay you, is very very very common in camming. Especially on token based sites that are so public and happen in a group environment.
Id suggest you cam on Omegle or other sites like that and keep your face offscreen (bc youll still get screencapped). Those sites are for exhibitionists, not people in the industry. I get Cam4 started off as for exhibitionists but I think they realized they could make more of a profit with camgirls which is why they (we) are slowly indundating the site.... which leaves the exhibitionists having "fun" more vulnerable to guys who are ... abusive and irritating tbh. Exhibitonists and voyeurs are fine but they dont tend to overlap that well with industry workers and their customers (or more to the point their freeloaders). Especially on the internet. Especially if youre before a crowd of people watching. So the few sites strictly for that kind of thing (and even those are overwhelmed with ads for camgirls) tend to have a more intimate environment and guys are less difficult to deal with....... or solicit guys on websites with ads or something. Youll probably get treated better and you can screen them for compatibility.... when you work a hightraffic site where people can watch you anonymously, youre truly before the masses, and the masses are not all operating from your level of common sense. Sex workers get this far too well, exhibitionists who shun sex workers largely dont.
It is like walking into a stripclub in sweatpants and stripping for fun and rejecting the tips (if any) that come your way. Guys who are predatory or bored or confused or obsessive will leech onto you like "ahhh finally a sex worker who isnt about my money! FINALLY, a sex worker I dont have to have normal human boundaries around! I love youuuuuuu" Other (professional) dancers will not help you bc youre out of your element. Guys who have shit to do and want a professional dance will ignore you. The owner of the stripclub will ignore you or throw you out. Youll just be left feeling used with minimal support. It is kind of like that.
Dont expect Cam4 to do much, they wont or cant since you gave him your info so it is out of their hands They may give you lipservice to keep you from blasting their name on sites like this, but nothing substantial is going to happen. And youre in for a huge letdown if you expect them to do anything substantial. Im not trying to be callous but you have to manage your expectations, at the very least block and ignore him. And recognizing that now and moving on is healthier than obsessing over this. If you cant do all of those things, that then youre out of your element. If you give out your info without being shrewder, this wont be the first or last guy who behaves like this. Im sorry youre upsetbut youre not absorbing everyone's careful feedback - maybe you need more sympathy to feel more supported but we're used to this kind of behavior (or are better at dodging it) so we're much more hardened (I guess?) and are just giving out as much advice as we can to move forward. No one shoud be "used to" people being annoying on the internet but unfortunately that's just... what being available to any and everyone entails.
:shrug:
IDK. Best of luck.
Nikki_Fox
08-02-2013, 11:42 AM
Roast - again you have done an eloquent job of assessing and conveying a response to this lady that is on spot. I truly envy your gift. Hopefully miss- venture will see that no one wants to attack her but this forum is a sex worker forum and we see things from that perspective first.
laurielegs
08-02-2013, 11:45 AM
Are you sure that was really a cam4 admin?
That's what I was thinking too. My guess is he's just another idiot pretending to be an admin.
This is a very common trick guys try to pull on almost all sites I've worked on.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 12:09 PM
laurielegs thank you for your kind response.
There are two guys here I am talking about. One is master_8020 the abuser and the other is 100% a cam4 admin.
I reported all this to the cam4 admin and he did nothing I also reported it direct to cam4 as well as on their report abuse button each time he came to my room.
The cam4 admin was the guy who asked me for my address and he was 100% a cam4 admin as I checked before I added him with others who know him. He is supposed to be the cam4_UK model guy but I cant really see what he can do as there are very few girls from the UK on cam4 and most use the UK flag to hide their identity and thats good for them.
FuriousAngel
08-02-2013, 12:14 PM
Did you read the post that roast made? That explains everything, to a perfect "T".
What you are dealing with here, seems to be no more than one of the idiotic nuisance guys, of which there is a plethora of in this industry. They are like puppys who do not understand the term, "No!". With them, it is always, "Give me attention, give me attention, give me attention!!!!!" And that is exactly what you did - you kept giving him attention.
You seem to be making a rather big deal out of this - and, again, I urge you to really take roasts post to heart, read it a few times over if needed. All this guy seems to have done, is bother and annoy you, and generally be a douche. Hon - one of my scariest moments was when I had a customer show up outside of the Whiskey on Sunset, simply because I had made an offhand comment that I would be going to a concert there. This guy drove for HOURS to get to LA, and waited for several hours more, just to see if he could spot me - which he did, when I showed up and was standing in line. He actually came up to me, saying my stage name, and kept telling me that he was so and so from the cam site I worked on, blah blah blah. Seriously freaked me out. Fortunately, there were a lot of people around, so he could not shove his way in any closer, and I was able to get in to the club shortly thereafter. But do you have any idea how freaky that kind of thing is? Taught me a valuable lesson, to be very careful about what I say. Hell, I WISH that that guy had only been an annoying douche, like that one you dealt with. It still gives me the heebie jeebies, over a decade later.
cherryblossomsinspring
08-02-2013, 12:17 PM
That's what I was thinking too. My guess is he's just another idiot pretending to be an admin.
This is a very common trick guys try to pull on almost all sites I've worked on.
Yup I had a guy come into my adultwork chat with the name "aduItworkadmin". He went through his speech that he needed to make sure I matched my description and that I needed to undress to make sure my sizing was correct lol. I blocked him right away and reported him.
Now when you log into direct chat adultwork has this warning in red letters:
"
Server Status : Connected To Server, Ready
System Warning: *************************
1. Watch for members typing fake tips, always verify your tips. Latest scam is tips in free room for Skype show.
2. Watch for fake admins, if a member says he is an admin, then right click on his username and kick him out. Real admins do not show in the connections list and cannot be kicked."
cherryblossomsinspring
08-02-2013, 12:59 PM
Cherry I had a ex boyfriend in life who burned down my garage and burnt the front off my car and stalked me when I finish him. Others have no idea why I used to go on cam and its unfair to judge me just as tokens are not my life. I was getting out of an abusive relationship and came back to cam4 to escape my unhappy life at the time. A few hours sharing and meeting some friends stopped me thinking about how much money he stole from me and what he did to my car and my house when i kicked him out when I found he had got my keys to my office and taken my credit cards and maxed them out over the weekend when I was away. All he got was 3 months suspended sentence and I got nothing of my money back.
So excuse me for being on web cam not just for tokens. I went on to escape as well. Tokens were a bonus and helped but were not the whole reason So I had just come out of an abusive relationship wanted to talk to others who were not real life friends as they are to close to me and ended up with a a creep who would not get away with what he was doing. I expected cam4 to ban him and they did not. So he had all the power and us girls had none.
I came here to share a bad experience with other web cam models so they may not have to put up with what some of us had to put up with concerning this guy and had no idea this kim from cam4 was here but as she is it would have been helpful if she had done more to protect us on cam4. If the moderator agrees I will post her responses to my emails about it.
All I have seen here is support for cam4 and no matter how naive or stupid i may have been thinking this guy was ok I do not deserve my story to be picked and poked about with. The whole thing about these type of guys is how clever they are in deceiving others into thinking how nice they are. In no way can I be to blame her. I came back to cam4 to get away from life for a while and this guy approached me and maybe I did trust him to much but is that a crime? The crime is 100% his for what he did to me and others and I will not make excuses for him and allow me to be blamed for being a bit stupid in half trusting someone.
I am sorry but I really do not feel like showing any more of my story here as I feel I have to defend my actions when he is the one to blame and cam4 for not dealing with him sooner. Yes kim I my brother did tell master he would send all this guys abuse and threats to his company and I support him 100% for saying it. That's like someone on cam4 msgs us girls, and this does happen alot, and telling and asking us if we have small children to go on cam with! Kim its out of cam4 control if we decide to go to the police and report it to them or send to the nasty creeps company! Providing it stops it protects others. Master left cam4 soon after my brother told him he will send the info to his company. Now cam4 girls are free from his threats and crap. But as I keep saying if cam4 dealt with him sooner then we would not have to resort to having to do this!
As stated above I am not happy about posting my story here now due to it being picked and poked over like I am to blame for it all but I will post about this guy and what happen to me was far worse!
When exactly did I judge you for what you like to do with your cam time? You posted a story to tell us beware of cam4 and gave us details on what happened.
You said the guy no longer is on cam4 so we don't have to worry about him then.
Your story has been heard a dozen of times by other posters because many models have had similar situations happen. Still a guy that's trying to send you private messages that you are actually reading is nothing like a guy showing up at an event you're going to and for other models right up to their front door.
The point is your reasons for why you cam for or without tokens wasn't the point. You mentioned " i'm not a token whore" which is what I took issue with. It's as if you're looking down on cam models yet your screen cap clearly shows your topic of " tip if you like" and of course you're not just sitting fully clothed talking about the weather.
There are know abusers on all cam sites, ban /ignore/ block is your weapon.
Oh and to add I used to cam on regular cam sites ( no tokens at all ) too. The difference was that there were no token none whatsoever. Nudity was also against the rules. I liked coming home from a day of working and logged in to see what the latest topics were or what discussions were going on. It was fun but as usual there were dozens upon dozens of guys from countries I would never visit looking for wives, girlfriends etc. Also you always got spammed with the ASL or the look at my cock on cam types. That got old fast and later I just kept my face off cam.There are so many sites like that where you can chat with many members in a day for free.
I decided why go to work, deal with dry cleaning , traffic, oil changes etc when I can work right from home doing exactly the same thing ( with less clothing:) and get paid. So I get paid to cam now. There are pros and cons to every job camming is no different whether you're doing it for free or not.
I agree with roast try out Omeagle no tokens at all and you'll never have to worry about someone trying buy you either. Most of those guys are looking for free fun from any breathing woman that will give it to them and yes they can easily get pushy if they feel they stumbled onto someone that is within their reach.
Nikki_Fox
08-02-2013, 01:57 PM
Just wow - now you are calling girls idiots - and we still have yet to see these threats and abuse that you say you have proof of
roast
08-02-2013, 02:06 PM
Even here - we're saying things you dont like and youre clearly refreshing the page and posting retorts that will largely go nowhere... bc most of us are only posting bc we're bored and/or are procrastinating while youre deeply vested in this. A lot of us have been called idiots or whores before and it does nothing. Haha it is doing nothing now even, so the response you want wont occur. No one is going to freak out and argue with you at the same shrill volume. The right response is to not engage us further if we're not saying what you want (or need) to hear, or better to try to more calmly explain yourself so we can understand why youre so upset.
But instead youre lashing out and bringing the dramz. Which is further entertaining those of us procrastinating, between shows (or bookings or screenings or phonecalls), whatever it may be. You see? Youre just entertainment at this point, if you want to continue to be, go for it I guess but idk if I were in your position Id take a step back and realize the people reading my story of angst and hurt dont care at this point.... and would try to explain myself. Lashing out just becomes internet entertainment and food for the bored. That's kinda unfortunate given how upset you are?
Cam4 reads this thread, if they cared or the issue was easy to resolve, they wouldve done something by now. They havent and they wont. He's not on the site anymore, so Im missing the issue. Hope you use more discretion in the future?
You're incredible trollbait, I see why you attract them (well tbh, you havent really yet, but you will in time.... we all do at least once) , unfortunately this is a pretty brutal learning lesson, and Im sorry youre enduring it for the first time. If Id seen myself the first time someone was annoying to me online Im sure itd look a lot like this. Im positiive, it is very jarring. But most of us are over this hump (ove rand over over again) which is why we're not being as sympathetic as you need I think? The internet is a cold harsh place, it really is, and here you got bits of support you honestly wont get many other places (maybe other camming forums but def not beyond that) but youre not embracing it at all bc we're not saying what you want. . IDK, dont go viral girlie, trolls are pretty merciless and you show all of the symptoms of the ideal bait.
Id suggest you not use your cam4 screen name from here forward tbh. I think you will though. IDK, good luck out there.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 02:25 PM
Cherry token whore was meant about girls that say they will do something at the goal but when the goal is reached they either go offline, say they have a skype show or do not fulfill there goals they made when they have been reached. I made that plain in my post in response.
The stuff this guy did to me and many others is just a part of the whole story but I will continual.
As I posted above this master creep sent fake logs and got his others to send them as well after he left cam4. Kim from cam4 not only did not want to hear my side of the story she sent me an email with a threat to ban me if I carried on making threats to master. Now tell me what is that about. He abuses me and others, I am well within my rights to have one of my brothers step in as he knew how much this creep was upsetting me. In order to finally make him stop my brother told master unless he stops he would send his abuse logs to his company as. Cam4 did not act so it was left to us to. This all happened on skype not on cam4 and cam4 has nothing to do with skype.
So my point is some girls have to put up with creeps and abusers like him but as soon as some one like him emails cam4 and gets others to send in fake emails and its the model that gets a ban warning something is very very wrong with cam4. I was shocked by kims email as I have been on cam4 since 2011 and never has anyone ever complained about me ever. I came back again in Jan 2013 and again no one has ever complained to cam4 about me till master came around.
Kim gave me a warning about a person who does not even have an account on cam4 so I have to ask how can I make threats against someone that does not even have an account on cam4? Kim maybe made mistake in telling me in her email that I made a threat to send logs to a members company. Only one person and one person was that said to and thats master_8020. master was not even a cam4 member when this email was sent so kim is wrong to say this.
Part of kim email to me "I received far too many complaints from members who shared conversations they had with you that included threats to release their personal information, turn them into their employers, etc"
Question does it not seem strange that after so many months of me being on cam4, being asked to help cam4. Kim sending me emails to help her track a guy down who I knew as he said his CC was stolen and he wanted his money back.
Then after all these months of me just being on cam4 and talking and doing my shows the moment master leaves a whole bunch of so called emails turn up on kims inbox accusing me of making threats to members? Come on be real!
The funny thing is when kim sent me the first email about the so called threats to members the following day I left to promote a festival so i was not even on cam4 for over a week yet these emails kept on coming from weird and wonderful so called people. I would so love to name all my friends from cam4 who know full well what master is about and how I am and how much I help and how much I tip others on cam4 to help them get goals and birthdays and such.
I have not even been on cam for over 7 weeks due to all this plus being busy in real life so I spent my tokens on others. Kim check yourself u know this is true. The last tokens I made were on the screen shot I posted and that was over 7 weeks ago.
So facts.
1: The abuser wins the model leaves cam4 nice signal to others that abuse girls and the model will go.
2: In over 2 years on and off cam4 I have never ever had an issue with anyone until master sent kim an email and got others to send in fake emails.
3: Kim you said u have screen caps of me abusing and making threats to other members on cam4. Please feel free to post them here I give u my full permission to do so as I am no longer a cam4 member.
4: I was given a free gold member upgrade by the UK cam4 admin the same one who asks me for my postal address!
5: I complained to you many times about the abuse from some members you did nothing apart from email me back with you will not discuss other members. Yet they remained on cam4.
6: It is not the first time this has happened where models have complained then nothing has been done so they left the site.
7 Telling master we would inform his company if this abuse carried on is 100% true. It was made on skype and not cam4 and what goes on away from cam4 is non of cam4's business. You failed to act against master after reporting him so we had no choice and he went so girls are safe from his nasty abusive ways while on cam4.
8: I have emailed kim many times requesting that my full account be deleted and a confirmation email be sent to me stating this has been done. Why have cam4 not replied to this request?
9 Where did the remaining money go from my account? The members gave it to me it is not yours to steal from me.
10:
11: Maybe cam4 should read about these fact emails as well above!
The bottom line is this. Master left cam4 after we got rid of him for his abuse as cam4 did nothing. I am 100% sure master cried in his emails on how much money he spent on cam4 and how sad I forced him out. Then got others from other accounts he paid tokens to to send in the same type of emails. Well kim I invite you to sue me as u have my address on file but cam4 can hide behind a whole grp of companies based in Holland and many other places owned by surecom. I have never ever made any threats to anyone on cam4 ever! It is not in my nature to do so and after all this time on cam4 do u think I just woke up and thought! Hmm its a nice day let me go on cam4 and find some members to make threats to. Oh please.
Master is 100% behind this and kim you know it. Kim please show these alleged emails here lets see them.
I have no intention of ever going back on cam again but I wanted to let others know about how cam4 treated me as it could happen to anyone else.
email reply from kim
We have made a note and will keep watch. Please feel free to hit the REPORT ABUSE link in a profile/broadcast so the current staff live online can look into an issue.
Thanks,
Kim
Kim again I ask you why bother reporting abuse by hitting the report abuse button when no one does anything about it?!
I wish all web cam girls good luck and hope u make all u want to make and I mean that sincerely
Incantatious
08-02-2013, 02:56 PM
Sure cam4 type sites as a source of income for many girls and I am sorry that so many need the money that they resort to having to do web cam sites. How many would do them if they had a million bucks in the bank.
My real concern for you, (along with my will to invest a ridiculous amount of time dedicated to listening all about how you added someone on Skype, you gave someone your phone number - thus you took business out of cam4s hands and willingly took it into your own personal life - and he called you "wife" or some other non-issue) ends riiiiiiiiiiiight about here. :)
I would hereby like to remind you, that your complete and total ignorance of camming as an actual job, is the ENTIRE reason you ended up in this easily preventable non-mess in the first place! So it's kind of funny that you are turning your nose up at us performers (who, let me also remind you - you are relying on to help you at this point) who are proud business people of a great service and integrity.
You made your bed. Now lay in it. Do not be "sorry" for me; the problem you are going through would never happen to me, because I'm one of those poor little weepy camgirls who makes her sole income come from camming, and I educated myself about what to do about creepy guys, oh say... 3 months? before I even got on cam?
So thanks! ;D
Nikki_Fox
08-02-2013, 03:06 PM
Smoke and mirrors and now we will be denied seeing the evidence - and you call girks idiots in your sentence to state that you didn't call Anyone an idiot - you had an audience willing to listen and view your evidence but instead you have rambled on and on and produced nothing - it is very disheartening to hear you throw about possible rapes and attacks when I have known many ladies in the industry that actually were - please just stop
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 03:13 PM
Incantatious thank you for your kind reply. I am not here for asking for help from anybody I am fully aware most of you are cam4 supporters and thats fine not an issue. I dont need your help or anyone's help. I have 5 brothers and 3 sisters and we can look after ourselves. For you being web cam model maybe a job but for many its a supplement to help with bills. Your point about ignorance of camming? Each time I was on cam I made 2000 users and averaged 160$ a time for an hour or so plus private skype shows from my old site still. Sorry but not many girls make that each time they go on.
If that is ignorance then god bless being ignorant on web cam.
Please check out the girls on cam4 now. Most are making just a few tokens as the big tippers have left due to things like this. Fact the freeloaders, idiots and freaks have taken over cam4 and alot of good models and tippers have left as well. Oh how do i know this? I have most in my skype room so kinda know the deal. Out of maybe 300 normal regular good tippers on skype and cam4 I got hit with one abuser and cam4 did nothing about it that is my point.
Go to cam4 ask in rooms about miss_venture speak to gold guys speak to anyone that knows me all will tell.
You judge yet u don't even know me.
Incantatious
08-02-2013, 03:13 PM
So u see a girl being raped you walk away and do nothing? Sure I could ignore him and do all the other things suggested but that just makes him do the same stuff to another girl. Sorry I am not like that I waited till one of my brothers came home on leave then he went after him. Do you really think I will now post the details of what happened when I am told its just entertainment? I am sorry each year dozens and dozens of girls are raped, abused and killed that work in the sex industry whether that be porn sites, web cam sites, or what ever scene they are into and if thats just entertainment for others then thats just sad. The girl thats abused on a site today can have a knife in her back tomorrow or raped or killed and thats funny and entertaining?
Did you actually just compare your situation with cam4 to someone being raped and abused?
Again: YOU took business OFF-SITE willingly.
Therefore your situation is none of cam4s business.
You have the option to ban him. So do it.
Ban him from your cam4 profile; block him on Skype; change your phone number. End it yourself. Then he won't harass you.
Worried about other girls being harassed by them? Spread the word! - Inform them that they have the ability to ban and block also! Problem solved.
If this guy is threatning you with something other than asking you for your phone number or calling you "wife" (i.e. he has your home address and is telling you how's going to attack you or you know.. an actual threat)
Call.
The.
Police.
I keep reading your posts, waiting to see "and that's when he turned real nasty and began sending me letters through my door about how he is going to harm me..." but I never do. Half the time when I read your huge posts which should fare as descriptions, I feel like I'm not actually reading anything. Just skirting around something.. but no substance. No actual... anything.
If it's just a guy asking you for contact details that you simply just spill out like it's nothing. That isn't abuse, and should not be deemed as such, or compared to actual abuse.
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 03:56 PM
On ending for tonight the proof is out there cam4 big tippers and some good models are leaving cam4 in droves due to this Bull. And cam4 bans do not work I am watching and talking to some friends now on cam4 and numbers are well down and tips are well down as well.
Kim thats lies and u know it. Cam4 do not pay out and I quote " Millions of dollars paid out per month." one big lie that is. I know the top girls who used to work on cam4 and they made at most 500$ a day sometime more but on average 5000$ and most just make less then 10$ a day so how dos that work out to be Millions of dollars paid out per month.?
Miss_Venture
08-02-2013, 04:08 PM
Hey ho
Incantatious
08-02-2013, 04:21 PM
Nikki don't even go there. My kid sister was killed by an abuser so please don't even start with this.
So it's cool for you to associate your situation on cam4 with that of being raped and abused - but if someone has a problem with you doing that... they are being offensive? How does that work? You brought it up. You made that association. You went there.
Your point about ignorance of camming? Each time I was on cam I made 2000 users and averaged 160$ a time for an hour or so plus private skype shows from my old site still. Sorry but not many girls make that each time they go on. If that is ignorance then god bless being ignorant on web cam. Please check out the girls on cam4 now. Most are making just a few tokens as the big tippers have left due to things like this. Fact the freeloaders, idiots and freaks have taken over cam4 and alot of good models and tippers have left as well. Oh how do i know this? I have most in my skype room so kinda know the deal. Out of maybe 300 normal regular good tippers on skype and cam4 I got hit with one abuser and cam4 did nothing about it that is my point.
Go to cam4 ask in rooms about miss_venture speak to gold guys speak to anyone that knows me all will tell.
You judge yet u don't even know me.
So I would "know you" better, perhaps, if I stopped conversing with you directly right here, and instead took to asking other people about you on a camsite? ...Just how much personal information are you throwing around about yourself on cam4?
It's great that you cracked the cam4 hustle, but your earnings on cam4 are not demonstrative of how much you know about camming from any other approach other than how to make money from that particular site. That's the whole core of your situation.. it's the whole point.
But "god bless being ignorant on web cam" - you said it yourself. It's willful ignorance at this point, which is usually particularly entertaining when said person starts trying to belittle others for treating their job with the seriousness it actually requires for these things not to happen.
Nikki_Fox
08-02-2013, 04:22 PM
miss_venture - anyone on this site will tell you i am the first one to defend anyone I feel is being treated unjustly -
you state that we are all for cam4 and in their corner - fact - few ladies on here work there so what motive would there be to defend them ??
we are here to help each other - you came here offering to expose cam4 for not protecting their models - you stated you had screenshots of evidence of threats and abuse that was ignored/allowed by cam4 - instead of posting it - you have used it as a carrot in front of a cart to continue bashing the site - show the evidence - period - if you want anyone to support your position -
you insulted the ladies here and on the cam4 site - maybe it wasnt intentional but it wasnt nice -
i'm sorry to hear about your sister - that is horrible - I just feel that you stating that you were in danger of rape or physical harm is not a statement to be made lightly without something to validate it - and I mean that in the sense that you brought it up -
Nikki_Fox
08-02-2013, 04:23 PM
dbl post
FuriousAngel
08-02-2013, 05:26 PM
What kind of pussy guy emails crying to cam4 about some little girl abusing him?
Let me state this again: Because That is what those types of guys WANT.
- YOU encouraged this behavior in him
- YOU went offlsite with the guy, and fed his addiction to attention
- YOU even went back and unblocked him
- YOU further communicated with him
Darlin, I used to sysop/housemom for more than just a few in-house camsites back in the day. Frankly, if you were one of the girls under my wing back then, I would have sent you home for continuing to feed the drama, and would have continued to veto your camming privileges until you could control yourself with the drama mongering. Sorry hon, but all I see here is a girl who is jonezing for a bit of attenshuns herself. I mean, really - this?:
You can kiss your fat ass goodbye to your job as I will be sending all your logs to my government and they will take action on my request.
C'mon now - that just screams of drama mongering. "Logs to my government"... fucking seriously? For some douche that annoyed you? What the actual fuck.
A girl who cams needs to be in control of her own room at all times. You chose to encourage and keep feeding this douchebag the attention he craved.
Rule of the internetz: NEVER feed the trolls!
loveshooks
08-02-2013, 05:32 PM
@Miss_Venture,
welcome to stripperweb
I'm going to temporarily lock this thread because what this thread is intended to be (info and discussion of cam4 for working camgirls) has been totally taken off track and the conversation is going around and around in swiftly devolving circles. Since this isn't your job this thread probably isn't the place to post, and it's not a place for you to air your issues with non-customers.
I'll open this thread again when I have the time to go through it, but for now please know that posting info about anyone (guys or chicas) isn't ok here. Neither is insulting women who choose to get paid for doing what some do for free. Neither position has any superiority over the other.
thank you to everyone who contributed some really helpful responses
edit: I'm re-opening this thread, but the sidetrack of the situation over the past couple of pages ends here. This is a thread about cam4 for chicas who work cam4, and there's actually some great info on how to handle customers on tip-based sites so I'm not going to edit any of it. The circular posting of the past few pages ends here. It's not fair to the few chicas who do work cam4 and rely upon it as a source of useful information to have this thread drawn off-track.
Incantatious
08-03-2013, 03:41 AM
Miss_Venture, you already rubbed a lot of us up the wrong way when you took pity on us for being working cam girls, but continuing to rant on this thread in the same way, when a mod here has already stated that it should stay about us working ladies on cam4 and general discussion about it.. you're not giving yourself a good track record, and you actually risk repeating your history by getting into trouble by just ignoring mods wishes.
Would it not at least be better to open up a new thread about your issue? Rather than bringing it here?
You'll be doing yourself a HUGE favor if you keep it short, sweet, and concise.
Use paragraphs and and just don't try to stir things up by hinting at anyone being "pro-cam4" or "biased towards abusive guys" or crap like that.
I am interested to know how many girls here really enjoy taking their clothes of for a bunch of sleazy freeloaders who pay nothing, demand the world for free and shout out the most disgusting gross comments a girl can ever hear?
I don't...
That's exactly why cam4 is not my main site.
Just earlier, on my highest-paying site, I had ONE guy piss me off... He demanded to see my titties. I told him to tip for requests, right as someone else tipped me. He said "Oh look someone else tipped, so now show me your tits". I told that freeloader that I would never show him my titties even if he actually paid me, and promptly banned the fucker.
Miss_Venture
08-03-2013, 03:55 AM
Good morning. I deleted my post and will post it on my web site instead as I take note of your comments Incan. I take pity on no one here I am merely stating many girls have told me they hate being on web cam and only do it for the money and if they had money they would not do it. I am quoting them direct not anyone here. If girls or guys here love being on cam and use it as a job good luck to them all but it is not the same for all girls and guys. Some girls go on web cam to make some money for their drug habits, some are forced to do it by abusive boyfriends, some do it to pay hospital bills but hate doing it. Those are the girls I feel sorry for as they hate doing it but have to. If you girls here make money and play the guys for tokens and have a good time good luck to you keep on doing it but for many girls they hate it. Each to their own.
Miss_Venture
08-03-2013, 04:06 AM
Incan I am assuming your highest paying site allows guest accounts so banning him does not prevent him seeing your titties for free :P He just comes back as a guest and see's them. Or creates another account. You can not beat some of these fuckers they know all the tricks. I know creeps on cam4 that have 30 plus accounts they use new emails and user names and just keep on coming back. Easy for others to say just ban the idiots but that does not stop them. Refresh log off login again with new user name and carry on posting shit in the room.
Miss_Venture
08-03-2013, 04:32 AM
I have deleted most of my posts and will take them to another forum. I will keep solely to cam4 relevant topics and posts but if i read something I know is not to be true from cam4 I will put the record straight. Examples being, late payments, no payments, excuses about why accounts just disappear. And so on. They are all relevant to cam4 models or anyone thinking about joining cam4. Please remember I worked on cam4 for a long while and know many many members and models so know the deal inside out.
Miss_Venture
08-03-2013, 08:38 AM
I hope this helps any cam4 models. @cam4Greece on twitter is a fake admin account I have reported it many times. I have also reported his skype name he uses as well as his email account. This account does not belong to cam4 and is fake. I hope this is in the rules here as its helpful for cam models to know fake admin accounts. He tries to get girls to send him naked pics but its fake account. If this post is against the spirit of the thread then please advise. The topic is cam4 and this relates directly to it so lets see.
Nikki_Fox
08-03-2013, 10:08 AM
hopefully cam4 will verify any admin contact information and if this @cam4greece is a valid twitter account or not
Kim - Cam4
08-03-2013, 10:17 AM
Hello Nikki,
We have been in contact with both Twitter and Skype - unfortunately they are not as co-operative as we would like. We have been told by both to have members who are approached by these individuals to hit their "report abuse" and they will look into the matter. All we can do is continue to advise members of this and hope that they follow through with removing these individuals.
One note about skype - you can create
[email protected] and still change your screen name to a Cam4 whatever. It's simply best to write Support to ask if the person is real or fake and hit that report abuse to skype.
Thanks!
Kim
Miss_Venture
08-03-2013, 10:33 AM
Good afternoon nikki it 100% is not an official Greek cam4 twitter account. Cam4 have already verified it not to be as I advised them and they agreed it is a fake account. Just trying help with a smile. What no thank you for bringing it to the attention here? oh my.