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PinkKittie
12-02-2011, 07:30 PM
Corset training is starting to peak my interest. I've tried finding info through google, but there's hardly anything on the web! What's up with that?
I've got the basics...steel boning, 4" smaller, go slowly, don't lace it so tight it's uncomfortable, wear it as often as possible, etc. But my main question is....Will a few years of corset training to reduce the waistline result in a permanently reduced waistline? Or does it only reduce the waistline as long as its worn? My second question: what style corset is used for this? Can a waist cincher style be used? Or another underbust style? Or only overbust styles? Does the style depend on how many inches the wearer wants to lose?
I used to have a nice hourglass figure before I started weight lifting but now that I've gained so much muscle around my core, my figure is starting to look like a stick.
setian
12-02-2011, 08:48 PM
Good question that I was about to answer. There are several corset shapes out there, it is CRITICAL to choose the right one for your natural shape and desired effect. The most well known being the hourglass and conical styles. There are a few good websites out there with better demonstrations of this but below is a very rough idea, you get the jist.
http://waistcorsetgirl.hubpages.com/hub/Corset-Training
I will look for the good links. In meantime, yes, 4 inches is the starting point until you master it. Some women go down to 16in. I believe Dita von Teese is one but she is a slight woman in general. Effect last but not permanent and unless you are super hard core the uncorseted effect will only be a few inches until the body relaxes.
Check out custom corset sites for more info, usually owners love to chat by email or telly if they aren't at a show.
PinkKittie
12-03-2011, 05:13 PM
Helpful! Thank you!
I think a waist cincher is what I need. I just want to take 2" max off of my waist line and if I can avoid moving my ribs that would be preferable.
Naida
12-08-2011, 04:38 AM
There is no way to spot reduce fat. Fat will come off where it will come off.
There is no way to naturally spot reduce. However, there is lipo, as I have been repeating throughout this thread.
Also even though many of you may swear by this corseting and lacing techniques. You do understand that you are morphing your muscles, internal organs, and skeletal system, which in the long run will affect your healthy- in a bad way.
Can you site a modern study that proves these changes are negative ones? Because you sound like another chump who bought into the myth that corsets are dangerous.
Just like all aesthetic based body mods, corsetting could be dangerous. To sum up my argument regarding the bad reputation corsets have- "guns don't kill people, people kill people." A tattoo or piercing, when properly executed, has no bearing on a person's health whatsoever. But when a scratch artist with a dirty needle does a tattoo, it's like every disease and bacteria from hepatitis to staph throws a fricking Mardi Gras parade.
A human female's core muscles and internal organs are designed to shift in order to accomodate a child, so that argument is moot. The skeletal system doesn't fully calcify until well into your 20s (any deviation from the "normal" skeletal system prior to this, granted that it was not an injury or certain other factors, will generally not have a noteworthy impact on health), and the bones most effected by corsetting are the ribs- which, even when fully calcified, are still flexible enough to be remolded safely. In fact, corsetting has been shown to improve the health of the spine because you are forced into proper posture while wearing one.
To be fair, I can see two potential problems with corsetting- muscle atrophy and too much pressure on internal organs. But both of these are caused by user error, not the corset itself.
-In waist training, you wear the corset at all times except when showering and exercise. Any smart waist trainer knows that you are supposed to exercise your core regularly.
-Organ damage is caused by tight-lacing, not waist training. Tight-lacing is when a woman cinches her corset excessively light. The pressure applied during waist training should be comfortable, sort of like a firm hug. Women who tight-lace some times apply enough pressure that they cannot eat, have problems breathing and fainting has been known to happen. If a corset is ever uncomfortable, you are doing it wrong!
Also I am surprised you only commented on the fact that these girls want shape. Rather than commenting on how they may possibly disfigure themselves.
Why should you be surprised that she commented on shape in a thread clearly titled "If you want to contour/shape your waist"? An aesthetic shape is what we are here to discuss, not dieting or weight loss. The only reason weight loss was even mentioned was to clarify that these "gimmicks" do not result in fat loss. And more over, who are you to say that what we're doing is "disfigurement"?
Have you ever had a tattoo? A piercing? Waxed? Shaved? Tanned? Dyed your hair? Cut it?
I personally believe that tanning is disfigurement because it has been proven to be bad for you and your skin. Some Native American tribes would say that you have disfigured yourself and that you are not a man for cutting your hair.
Quit acting sanctimonious and provide some worthwhile input, or take your judgements elsewhere.
/rant
www.romantasy.com
The lady that owns this, Anne, knows EVERYTHING about waist training!
setian
12-13-2011, 10:56 AM
^^^^ YES YES YES
that's what i was remembering
Dddallas
03-04-2012, 08:06 PM
Ok, so you went from 210 to 200.... CONGRATULATIONS!!! You went from ultra fat ass to fat ass....
WOW!!! LOL.... you're a fucking bitch that is all. And no I'm not fat, more then likely in better shape then you considering your lack of confidence. The girl could have had a baby or something.
Naida
03-05-2012, 11:40 AM
you're a fucking bitch that is all. And no I'm not fat, more then likely in better shape then you considering your lack of confidence. The girl could have had a baby or something.
Was there a need for this post when apologies have already been made and everyone else got off the drama?
Discuntent
03-05-2012, 03:02 PM
is it true that wearing corsets cause varicose veins? i'm pretty ill versed in this sort of thing and didn't know if age was a factor either. but still!
Sophia_Starina
03-06-2012, 11:29 AM
is it true that wearing corsets cause varicose veins? i'm pretty ill versed in this sort of thing and didn't know if age was a factor either. but still!
Never heard of this. Never experienced it either.
Sophia_Starina
03-06-2012, 11:30 AM
I've avoided responding to the initial post because, quite frankly, I did not know where to even begin.There is so much misinformation that my mind... sort of just... you know... exploded.
:faint:
Thankfully, DesuvsDeath, Naida, TatianaX, and a few others were the voices of reason. Cheers!
AmazingAmazon, I have nothing against you, however, the technique you discuss isn't going to contour or shape a persons waist. I'll break it down step by step:
1. Anti-Cellulite creams are a scam. None have been proven to be effective. If one were effective, everyone would be using it. There is evidence that some forms of massage can improve cellulite can loosen the fibers and connective tissues that cause cellulite as well as assist a persons lymphatic system in eliminating excess fluid. A massage regimen can make skin look smoother but it has nothing to do with the cream.
3. These cinchers don't "give you more shape", they compress the skin. If you have ever worn a pair of jeans that are too tight, you'll notice marks on your waist after you take your jeans off. Those marks aren't permanent. They will puff out again once the you remove the pressure source. Even if you wore those jeans over night, or for 3 weeks, within a few hours of taking them off, your skin will plump back up.
2. & 4. Saran wrap, sauna suits, and seen-on-tv cinchers like "Slim Away" can't provide long term results. All they do is mess with your body's ability to cool itself. Since you stay hot, you sweat more, when you sweat more, you lose water weight. I wouldn't worry much about health issues with a garment that only covers your abdomen, but if someone were to utilize a sauna suit or wrap their thighs and arms with plastic wrap, they could experience some gnarly side effects like dehydration and heat exhaustion. I also worry that prolonged exposure to sweat and moisture could cause irritation, chaffing, and heat rash. (Training corsets, designed for long-term wear are usually constructed out of breathable fabric to avoid perspiration from building up on the skin).
5. It is interesting to me that you mentioned working out while wearing this garment. My initial thought was that 3 weeks of working out would certainly cause a person to become slimmer, more toned, etc. But it has nothing to do with the creams or the belt.
Epilogue: It seems that you're attributing your results to a cincher when you're probably improving the appearance of your skin by massaging your problem areas regularly and losing weight by exercising consistently.
Corsets are expensive. Corsets can be uncomfortable (well designed, custom-fitted corsets shouldn't be uncomfortable, but yeah they are pricey). That being said, corset training is very very very very very different from what you are describing above.
Waist training gradually alters the shape of your rib bones and cartilage. It alters the position of internal organs. It also weakens abdominal muscles (which inevitably results in a lower muscle mass-- and makes one look slimmer). Corsets do compress the skin... but that is where the similarities with your technique end.
I have been wearing corsets on and off for over 10 years now. I've gone from a 26.5" waist to a 20" waist when corsetted, 24.5" when uncorsetted. I wore them 23 hours a day for months at a time. However, without consistent wear, the ribs & cartilage spring back to a normal shape so even this is not a permanent solution. It is a longer term solution, yes, but it is in no way permanent.
I just wanted to clear the air.
All the best!
S_S
So you like the corset for shrinking your rib cage? I have an oversized ribcage that I want to be smaller....
Sophia_Starina
03-06-2012, 12:41 PM
So you like the corset for shrinking your rib cage? I have an oversized ribcage that I want to be smaller....
Wearing a corset can alter the shape of your rib cage. It takes a long time and requires daily wear.
Extreme modification (like in the pictures below) is likely the result of consistent wear over the course of a woman's lifetime, or at least several years.
I wouldn't ever suggest wearing a corset to achieve a set result.
The way I look at it, wearing a corset is a good idea if you like wearing corsets.
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Naida
03-08-2012, 06:11 AM
I wish I knew that you were a corsetter before, Sophia! Would have been nice to discuss results with some one who has first-hand experience. It's awesome that you've managed to achieve a demi-permanent 2 inch reduction of your waist.
I did a lot of research when I was a teen about corsets (thanks to the gorgeous Dita von Teese) but have continued to put it off because of the high cost. Now that I'm older and could possibly afford it once I go back to dancing, I've given it some pretty serious thought again. The one question that I simply can't avoid is- how did corestting affect work?
Sophia_Starina
03-08-2012, 09:00 AM
The one question that I simply can't avoid is- how did corestting affect work?
I've put a lot of thought into this exact question.
The simple answer is that wearing a tight-lacing/waist-training corset is not conducive to dancing... like at all.
I have worn a 22" underbust corset at the club a handfull of times. It wasn't a super-heavy-duty corset, it had a zipper in the front, the waist reduction didn't seem off-putting or too extreme for customers. It sorta looked like this: http://www.lovecorsets.com/blue_brocade_underbust_waist_training_corset.htm
The club I worked at at the time was really lax on dress code (aka there really wasn't a dress code). I wore a pretty bra, thong, and lace shorts... when the guy bought a dance I'd remove the bra... ta-da! topless dance.... the corset would stay on, I left the shorts on too... Some of my dance moves were limited but it wasn't that big of a deal. Since my attire was novelty in and of itself guys didn't need to see me getting crazy acrobatic with the dance moves.
Okay, now for the bad news. The laces are insanely annoying. They are long, it looks like you have a tail growing out of your ass or wires hanging out of your vagina depending on the angle someone is looking. No matter how neatly, tightly and attractively I tied the laces in the back they somehow managed to snag on something during a dance, unravel, or bunch up in a stupid fashion. If I removed the corset I would have to loosen them to put it back on again anyway so it's not like I could cut them off or glue them into a bow.
Inevitably a customer would ask me to take off the corset. I'd push for a generous tip or private room... if he bites I'd oblige. However, corset marks aren't cute (at least to most guys), example: http://goingstagg.tumblr.com/post/4166605277/corset-skin-marks-behind-the-scenes-of-a and the marks stay on my skin for the better part of an hour.... which limited the outfits I could wear if I chose to take the corset off and switch into something else.
Okay, so afterwards, I'd have to put the corset back on. It is a major pain in the ass and by virtue of wasting my time, costs me money. I can slap on a tube-dress in 0.59 seconds... a corset takes much longer (even if it was about 2 minutes or so). And keep in mind... the corset I'm talking about has a zipper.... I can't even imagine how long it would take to close a peg & loop type of busk... in a dark club.... when there is money to be made.... OMG! I would get so frustrated!!!
So yeah, unless you have generous corset enthusiast customers that want to admire you in your corset (not out of it), I wouldn't suggest wearing a tight-lacing corset at work.
Naida
03-08-2012, 10:58 AM
Cute corset! I had no idea that the marks they left were that bad though. Have you ever tried a liner underneath? That might help with the markings, if you haven't.
I think it might still be worth trying out for me. What I'm really hoping to change through wear is more my ribs than my waist. After all, the clubs I'm looking at don't have poles on their mainstages, and I don't do acrobatic shit for lapdances.
Oh, and strings. I know that you actually NEED to have fairly long ones to get in and out, but couldn't you have cut them to just a shorter length instead of "off"?
Sophia_Starina
03-08-2012, 11:43 AM
Cute corset! I had no idea that the marks they left were that bad though. Have you ever tried a liner underneath? That might help with the markings, if you haven't.
I think it might still be worth trying out for me. What I'm really hoping to change through wear is more my ribs than my waist. After all, the clubs I'm looking at don't have poles on their mainstages, and I don't do acrobatic shit for lapdances.
Oh, and strings. I know that you actually NEED to have fairly long ones to get in and out, but couldn't you have cut them to just a shorter length instead of "off"?
A liner doesn't make sense in the club. Too much to take off and to put back on. I wear liners (tank tops) when I wear corsets at home... I still get marks. It's mostly for sanitary purposes. That way you don't end up with skin cells, perspiration, etc. all over your $400 corset. It also allows your corset to slide smoothly when you tighten it... otherwise you may get pinched. A thin camisole doesn't do much in terms of protecting your skin from the indentations caused by steel boning.
As for the laces.... I never took a course in knot-making. I am way too worried about snipping something necessary off. You need to use a lot of the length of the laces to loosen it sufficiently and to have enough of a length to get your hands on laces themselves. The laces aren't loose ends, they are loops (bunny ears)... and I don't want to risk cutting something vital. This video explains the process better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=ta5n1R6X06E I'm sure there is a way to do it so that you can shorten the strings but still have a functional corset. I'm not going to experiment with my investments, though. ;)
Edit* Another video that demonstrates how to lace a corset with a modesty panel... I always buy corsets with modesty panels... they prevent pinching and unsightly skin from poking out of the laces. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKoJu1Kiksk
Prettyxgirl
05-18-2012, 02:29 AM
My boyfriend is in the airforce and he says some girls do it when its time to meet certain measurements. He says its very unhealthy though because its very dehydrating.
Naida
05-18-2012, 03:27 AM
So I decided that I'm going to go through with corsetting. It'll probably take a lot longer for me to get any results, since I won't wear them at work, but the real reason is more of a fashionable aesthetic than a modification. Just thought I'd update on that.
Dddallas
05-18-2012, 11:18 PM
I think I want to corset train
Sophia_Starina
05-19-2012, 12:54 PM
My boyfriend is in the airforce and he says some girls do it when its time to meet certain measurements. He says its very unhealthy though because its very dehydrating.
What?
LibraSnake
05-19-2012, 07:48 PM
Is 22 too old to make my ribcage smaller with corsets?
Naida
05-19-2012, 11:42 PM
No, 22 is not too old. But you do have to take a lot of factors into consideration when using corseting for modification.
How much time are you willing to invest into corseting? This is a lifestyle change. Basically the only time you don't wear the corset is while showering. Most serious waist trainers wear their corset during exercise, but you should also take it off to do core exercises to prevent muscle atrophy. So you're looking at wearing it 20+ hours a day, seven days a week, all fifty-two weeks out of the year.
How much money are you willing to invest? What most women think of today as a "corset" uses plastic stays, which are useless for modification. You need a corset made from fairly rigid materials (most commonly satins, silk, leather, etc) and steel boning. These corsets don't come cheap and you're probably gonna want/need multiple. Are you ready to invest several hundred to several thousand dollars?
Are your expectations realistic? Unless you plan to corset for the rest of your life, results are demi-permanent at best. Even in the olden days, when women wore corsets from childhood, the changes made to their bodies by the years of compression come almost completely undone within a year or two. With the ribs never becoming completely rigid, even after they're considered fully developed/calcified, they will spring back into their original shape once you stop corseting.
There are multiple other factors to consider, but these are the three I would pose first to anyone who's only just begun thinking about corseting.
Jay12
08-02-2012, 08:06 PM
I'm 5-9, and I looked chubby at 145.
210 would make your BMI 31 - into the obese range. 170 could look hot on a girl with the right frame, but even that puts you slightly above the 'healthy' bmi group...
It would also depend on your bone structure and muscle mass. I'm the same height, but at a 145-153 pounds I look like those anorexic runaway models but at 170 I look very good.
Jay12
08-02-2012, 08:15 PM
What?
Using the Saran Wrap to reduce the waist. Not just in the USAF, but that's like a DoD thing in general.
LadyMoon
08-05-2012, 04:24 AM
I wore the same jeans model for ages and I swear it shaped my waist, in a way I didn't wanted it to! I had a noticeable line in my tummy fat so I stopped wearing those same jeans for some time and I think the line has gone away some.
CalliopeQuinn
08-10-2012, 03:40 AM
I've been making corsets since i was 16. I always wanted to waist train and tight-lace but thought that the world would think me mad if i walked around all day in a corset! I made my wedding dress, though, and i made myself a custom underbust s-curve with a 6 inch reduction. I'd made myself a mock-up in the process of fitting, and then i finished it off and used it to train a few months in advance of the wedding. Even with about 4 months of training, I barely made it through the reception. I just love the look of the s-curve corsets...but they have gotta be the worst, physically. Most of the historical injuries from them weren't from the compression but because of the abnormal back bend causing slipped discs. I would not recommend long term wear of any corsets or corset styles with the words "s-bend" "gibson girl" or "edwardian". They are meant to force your hips behind you, and though it looks great, your spine isn't 'sposed to go that way.
As far as i understand, as costume designer, corset enthusiast and history buff, one of the reasons that corset training can be demi permanent has very little to do with getting rid of fat and everything to do with putting it on. Your body has an easier time depositing its fat in a spot that's not compressed....so the places that are compressed are easier to KEEP skinny than they are to MAKE skinny, if that makes sense. That's why your jeans may have changed your shape over time. The waistband area probably stayed roughly the same size as when you started wearing them, but the flesh above the waistband wasn't compressed, so more fat was deposited there. The best way to reshape the FAT on your torso (not speaking about ribcages and organs!) is to lose as much of it as possible and then corset as you put back on 10 lbs or so. Those ten lbs get distributed everywhere that isn't being squeezed and slowly it starts to change your shape. Just my 2cents as someone who has been wearing, making and loving corsets for over a decade. :) Happy lacing!
miss1dancypants
08-15-2012, 02:25 PM
do you think that if you did waist training for 2 years and got the reduciton that you wanted wearing the corset 23/7 that you could maintain this by wearing hte corset only while you sleep?? would love to waist train but not if the results aren't permanent after a certain amount of time with small maintenance. doesn't seem worth the commitment and sacrifice of normal clothes and breathing for two years. lol
Naida
08-19-2012, 04:29 PM
I've never heard of some one trying to do it that way, dancypants. I imagine that it wouldn't work very well at all. Depending on the results you're going for, it can take anywhere between several months to several years of waist training for you to even get where you want to be IN the corset. Trying to maintain those results by wearing it for approximately 8 hours while you give your waist another 16 to come undone? I just don't see that happening. I'm sure you could maintain some small amount of reduction, but certainly not by more than a couple of inches.
I can tell you for certain that the sacrifices you'll be making will be time and money, not breathing. Some women like to tight lace, which could affect your breathing. Tight lacing is generally frowned upon because of the increased risk of damaging organs that you don't give enough time to shift into a safe position. Every corset enthusiast is guilty of tight lacing at least once during her time in corsets (you can't blame them for wanting to drop an extra inch or two for a special occasion) but it is NOT something you do on a daily basis. When you're properly waist training, the pressure should feel more like a firm hug than a serious squeeze. If you have issues breathing, it means you need to loosen your laces a bit! As for clothing- you should still be able to wear most types of normal clothes. Long term trainers who end up with a tiny waist may find it necessary to have a tailor cinch in some things at the middle, but most trainers find that they usually only need to go down a size or two in their day-to-day clothes.
We definitely need Sophia to weigh in, since she has trained before.
I plan to eventually make corsets a large part of my personal wardrobe. However, because of all the time that I wouldn't be wearing them (like work or regular visits to the lake/beach in summer) I have given up on the idea of any actual modification over perhaps a couple of inches.
JoJoX
08-20-2012, 06:32 PM
its funny how some members can get away with talking hardcore shit, while others get banned for expressing a harmless opinion. (looking at the first few pages)
Sophia_Starina
08-21-2012, 10:54 AM
do you think that if you did waist training for 2 years and got the reduciton that you wanted wearing the corset 23/7 that you could maintain this by wearing hte corset only while you sleep?? would love to waist train but not if the results aren't permanent after a certain amount of time with small maintenance. doesn't seem worth the commitment and sacrifice of normal clothes and breathing for two years. lol
I've never heard of some one trying to do it that way, dancypants. I imagine that it wouldn't work very well at all. Depending on the results you're going for, it can take anywhere between several months to several years of waist training for you to even get where you want to be IN the corset. Trying to maintain those results by wearing it for approximately 8 hours while you give your waist another 16 to come undone? I just don't see that happening. I'm sure you could maintain some small amount of reduction, but certainly not by more than a couple of inches.
We definitely need Sophia to weigh in, since she has trained before.
Sophia_Starina here! Weighing in!
Miss1dancypants, you are asking about wearing a corset 23/7 for an extended period of time and then wearing the corset overnight in order to maintain the waist reduction achieved.
Waist reduction, via corset training, is not permanent. Sure, you can delay the inevitable rebound by wearing a corset or some other sort of compression garment overnight.
Cartilage can be compressed but it will spring back in time. The rate at which this will happen depends on your particular morphology.
Naida is right... "I'm sure you could maintain some small amount of reduction, but certainly not by more than a couple of inches."
This statement is spot on ^^^
And....
As I've mentioned before,
I wouldn't ever suggest wearing a corset to achieve a set result.
The way I look at it, wearing a corset is a good idea if you like wearing corsets.
Sophia_Starina
08-21-2012, 10:56 AM
its funny how some members can get away with talking hardcore shit, while others get banned for expressing a harmless opinion. (looking at the first few pages)
What are you talking about?