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AlyssaJ
01-11-2017, 03:52 PM
Btw, I told my mom and not-close friends I have a vlog about "this and that". Everyone blogs nowadays so people are not like "oh I have to see that, whats your url" I don't want to lie when mom asks me what I'm up to but I don't want to tell her about fetish porn (she does know I'm into uniforms though lol) so I can truthfully say I'm editing, updating etc, without going into detail. She's not that nosy though and not into internet. If anyone wants to see something I'll tell them it's on a paysite for something they are not interested in. To my colleagues I have said it's on a foreign pay-channel about something mundane, simply because I have done that once and it might as well be that. A lie yes..but a white one. It would also explain studio equipment, though people know I used to work with non-porn short film videos/commercial in the past also so nothing strange.
edit: made it not so specific. One can never be too careful with identity.
DonaDiabla
01-11-2017, 04:28 PM
Sorry but what do you mean by actor's behaviour?
100% success = 50% video quality + 30% actors behaviour + 10% clips description + 10% c4s outside promotion
i have a lot of incredibly cruel videos (1999-2002 years) in 320*240 resolution, but noone want to buy them because of very-very bad quality
please place emphasis on purchase of the good camera :)
boyru
01-11-2017, 04:41 PM
Sorry but what do you mean by actor's behaviour?
scenario, charm, attractiveness, understanding of the role
PixiieGirl
01-11-2017, 05:14 PM
I think your light is ok, but with webcam you get a bluish light from the computer screen, and you are also more limited with no additional light. So, any strong, moveable light is good, like a work light. I also know some bloggers use a light therapy lamp, but those tend to cost as much as a camera light. BUT, they are mom-friendly because they come with an excuse haha. Daylight is the prettiest light but might not fit the mood of what we do lol. Morning and evening sun is super sexy and pretty, but unreliable.
AND, some guys probably like the bluish webcam-lighting because they associate that with camgirls. So really depends on your style I'd say.
I did actually have a lamp I used for camming that gave me like a, idk nice even smooth very white (good for the alt thing I think haha) skin tone and stuff but the bulb blew, I'll have to replace it tomorrow haha
thanks again for the advice :) x
also I do some vanilla work for a website and their magazine, thinking about it I could say its for filming promo for that!
Classy_Katy
01-11-2017, 10:53 PM
do you have any specific lighting recommendations for use with a HD webcam? I think that should be my first port of call cause the lighting in my room really sucks in some places and I dont wanna just film all my clips in one space in the room haha - only issue is I'd need it to be small cause I'm living with my boyf in his mums flat so I dont wanna 1) have to explain why I need it or 2) clutter up our space cause his room isn't huge
I use my HD webcam and a special daylight lamp that I bought years ago for Seasonal Affective Disorder...so it stays out and has a valid purpose. It has a handle and a long lead, so very portable.
Classy_Katy
01-11-2017, 11:00 PM
I should probably just learn to make gifs so I dont have to use the inbuilt gif maker tbf hahaha
I use still images and make them into a gif with Photoscape.
PixiieGirl
01-12-2017, 04:18 AM
I use my HD webcam and a special daylight lamp that I bought years ago for Seasonal Affective Disorder...so it stays out and has a valid purpose. It has a handle and a long lead, so very portable.
my mum used to have one of those but they make me feel really weird, headachy and dissociated D: I haven't tried one in years tho I'll see if they're more barable for me now haha
thanks :)
Ruedel
01-12-2017, 06:08 AM
I use two 30W and one 50W industrial led spotlights(summary equal to 750W of regular lamps). It's enought to make any room full of light and costs only about 30$ overall.
boyru
01-12-2017, 06:20 AM
i use my own studio (27 sqm) and professional lightening OSRAM with total 5000 watts of light :)
i pay ~$200/year for additional electricity and ~$200/year for the new lamps
PixiieGirl
01-12-2017, 06:32 AM
my sales seem to be getting more consistent already - like I earnt more last money but it all came from one big sale, where as I'm getting small sales every other day this month
I'm very excited hehe
MissJu
01-12-2017, 03:31 PM
i use my own studio (27 sqm) and professional lightening OSRAM with total 5000 watts of light :)
i pay ~$200/year for additional electricity and ~$200/year for the new lamps
That much of light for THAT small room is just a little bit too much, 1000 is more than enough!
I work with fresnel, led panels, spot lights.
boyru
01-12-2017, 04:15 PM
That much of light for THAT small room is just a little bit too much, 1000 is more than enough!
I work with fresnel, led panels, spot lights.
i use the scattered light
i don't use directional light since it blinds people
and i film with shutter speed faster than 1/100, instead of 1/50
MissJu, what is Your digital camera for filming?
MissJu
01-12-2017, 05:17 PM
i use the scattered light
i don't use directional light since it blinds people
and i film with shutter speed faster than 1/100, instead of 1/50
MissJu, what is Your digital camera for filming?
panasonic g85
boyru
01-12-2017, 05:26 PM
panasonic g85
it is great camera, i dream about it
i still using: sony ilce-a7_II, panas x920, panas fz1000
but i too want panas g80/g85 or gh5
You are lucky Girl!
MissJu
01-12-2017, 06:09 PM
it is great camera, i dream about it
i still using: sony ilce-a7_II, panas x920, panas fz1000
but i too want panas g80/g85 or gh5
You are lucky Girl!
I have g80 too. I just like more g85, focus works better! I'm waiting for g5 to be released. I had gh3 it was ok, I liked it.After I bought g7 it was a nice little camera and sharper than gh3.After I sold them and bought gh4, it was ok too.I got also g80 too.
I didnt like Panasonic camcorder, colors were weird but it was sharp.
I absolutely HATE canon over advertised junk, I have a camcorder which was 6000$ I literaly used it 3 times that garbage just died with tape inside. I tried to open that crap and cant.
Same pile of absolute SHIT sony can join it and sit together in that loser corner failed for its colors.
There is no luck!I work hard for my money, I care for the quality!
justsometwat
01-13-2017, 06:18 AM
I hope they bring the ADD/DEL uploader back. I deleted some videos and now there's a TON of canceled videos listed in the dropdown box for my uploaded videos and I have no clue how to delete them without emailing them with a list of which to remove.
Is there another way to delete these videos on my own? I tried in my FTP, but it denies me access to doing this.
boyru
01-13-2017, 07:33 AM
The issue is that both studios and C4S staff can not delete files due to a server move and the programmers need to verify everything copied over properly.
Currently the ability to delete any content (files) from a studio has been removed while the programmers finish their work.
We have been told this will be allowed again soon (perhaps in a few weeks), however we do not have a timeline for this to happen.
Once we do know more we will be able to update all studios with a broadcast message in the admin.
They are moving to new servers with 10PB disk space, i guess.
10PB=10.000TB=10.000.000GB
my store has 650GB of clips, 5000 active stores with 650GB in each store => 3.250.000GB
but i know stores with 5000 clips and 2.500GB
they need more disk space
fc16g interface allows to copy files with speed up to 2gb/s
so they need up to 30 days for this
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-13-2017, 09:28 AM
I hope they bring the ADD/DEL uploader back. I deleted some videos and now there's a TON of canceled videos listed in the dropdown box for my uploaded videos and I have no clue how to delete them without emailing them with a list of which to remove.
Is there another way to delete these videos on my own? I tried in my FTP, but it denies me access to doing this.
I have the same problem. It's getting so crowded that I have started putting numbers at the beginning of my clip name to find them more easy. But soon there will be too many clips with numbers and I'll have to use underscores at the beginning or something :P
It's not only the transferring of the clips, it's also the corruption issue that makes this take so long.
Luna66
01-13-2017, 09:40 AM
Wait, am I missing something? I too have a bunch of clips in the dropdown box when I'm uploading clips, but you can just type in the first few letters of the name of the clip and it will come up. In the past it was just a dropdown list and it wasn't searchable, but now it is. Is it not the same for everyone or am I missing something?
justsometwat
01-13-2017, 09:58 AM
I deleted a bunch of videos so no one can buy them and when I did that they put the files back in that drop down box. If I wanted I could select that file and make a new listing for it. I want to delete those files from the drop down but since the add/del was removed I have no way of removing them.
That's all :)
AlyssaJ
01-13-2017, 10:14 PM
I have tried to see my banner when it is scheduled for display in various cats, but never saw it despite repeatedly refreshing the page. I figure "your banner is displaying" still means the 1-3 banner spots switches between several banners, but if so, howcome I mostly see just one same banner in one spot (for some other studio), sometimes for the entire time my banner was supposed to display. Does one banner show f.ex in an area of the world? Anyone know how the banner rotation system works?
boyru
01-15-2017, 04:45 AM
i have a question for pricing
i see that 90% of stores sale 1920*1080, 1280*720, 960*540 for one price
but here, in russia, we must pay 3.3x greater ($10) for IMAX film session, than for ordinary film session ($3) in the small hall
so i am not able to sale unique video in highest resolution for lowest price
AlyssaJ
01-15-2017, 08:31 AM
i have a question for pricing
i see that 90% of stores sale 1920*1080, 1280*720, 960*540 for one price
but here, in russia, we must pay 3.3x greater ($10) for IMAX film session, than for ordinary film session ($3) in the small hall
so i am not able to sale unique video in highest resolution for lowest price
Yes most studios that offer different resolutions have the same price for the same clip no matter the resolution. If the SD would be cheaper I think most would choose that. It's "only porn", not an aesthetic experience for most. For a big screen projection or TV, HD is important but most watch porn on computer or phone where the difference is marginal. SD has the advantage of smaller file size as well. Offering the choice of different resolutions (and formats) is a service to the customer, which hopefully increases sales and exposure. It's like having different sizes and colors of T-shirts in a clothing store.
boyru
01-15-2017, 09:15 AM
Yes most studios that offer different resolutions have the same price for the same clip no matter the resolution. If the SD would be cheaper I think most would choose that. It's "only porn", not an aesthetic experience for most. For a big screen projection or TV, HD is important but most watch porn on computer or phone where the difference is marginal. SD has the advantage of smaller file size as well. Offering the choice of different resolutions (and formats) is a service to the customer, which hopefully increases sales and exposure. It's like having different sizes and colors of T-shirts in a clothing store.
i work on premium 27 inch LED monitor and i see differece between SD and FHD
i laugh when see 7 minutes clip in 2 variants: 290MB 1920*1080 and 210MB 120*720
5660kbps is nothing for 1920*1080 encoding, 4096kbps is a perfect for 1280*720 encoding
my 1920*1080 clips are compressed with crf=20 and bitrate always greater than 9600kbps (up to 18800kbps for outdoor shootings)
the result is
1280*720 with 4000-5600kbps has better image quality, than 1920*1080 with 4800-6800kbps
determinant factor is kbit per square pixel
1280*720 4600kbps ==> 0.005kbit/sqp - winner
1920*1080 6400kbps ==> 0.003kbit/sqp - looser
if we want 1920*1080 be a winner, it might be compressed with 10400kbps bitrate, and 7 min clip will be 531MB
justsometwat
01-15-2017, 09:48 AM
It's this shit that is why you aren't making any money. I film in 1080 and convert to 4000 bitrate and my videos are super high quality.
You're fighting over shit that doesn't matter. If you're driving over people and trampling them, do you really think people will noticed the difference in bit rate?
You are trying to justify high prices over and over again but if you've got a $40 video that doesn't sell because not enough people are interested in your fetish does it matter if it's $10, $40, $100 in the end?
Quality is important, yes, but not every resolution and file type. If people want the video because that's their fetish they will buy it as long as you aren't recording with a potato in the dark.
PixiieGirl
01-15-2017, 09:50 AM
It's this shit that is why you aren't making any money. I film in 1080 and convert to 4000 but rate and my videos are super high quality.
You're fighting over shit that doesn't matter. If you're driving over people and trampling them, do you really think people will noticed the difference in bit rate?
You are trying to justify high prices over and over again but if you've got a $40 video that doesn't sell because not enough people are interested in your fetish does it matter if it's $10, $40, $100 in the end?
Quality is important, yes, but not every resolution and file type. If people want the video because that's their fetish they will buy it as long as you aren't recording with a potato in the dark.
omfg a potato in the dark thats made me laugh so much ahahahahah
boyru
01-15-2017, 10:08 AM
noone excepting the Lady with G85 film high quality videos
99% of us are using bad cameras for filming and bad lightening
you will feel the difference between real clear 1920*1080 (downscaled from 6K/4K source) and bad 1920*1080 filmed on simple camera
they dont buy, because i dont accept their credit cards
credit card payment is absolutely sucks: he can pay, download and refund
i can not let him do it!
they dont want paypal or mail-transfer, because they want to steal my videos free of charge
Luna66
01-15-2017, 10:24 AM
IT DOESN'T MATTER! God I wish I wasn't so OCD about staying anonymous on this forum, then I could show you how successful I am with my shitty ass motherfucking webcam. I made nearly 6 figures last year with a Logitech C920. If they want the video and the video isn't awful quality, they will buy it. It doesn't fucking matter, and this is the reason you're not making money. You care way too much about quality, payment methods, girls' bodies etc, and you don't focus on the actual problem, which is that people don't want to buy your videos.
I've given you fucking examples and everything. Tara Tainton's videos are only fucking 404p, and her 20 minute videos are only like 200-300mb, so they're obviously extremely low bitrate as well. And yet she's always in the top 5?
ARGHHHHH I'm so ready for this guy to be banned but he hasn't done anything bannable!
Classy_Katy
01-15-2017, 11:11 AM
Thanks Luna, I feel better about just using my c920 now :)
boyru
01-15-2017, 11:13 AM
Tara's store is a collection of ordinary porn clips
She does good work, but She doesnt shoot crush, trample (girl on man) and much more
i dont trust top50
in the may of 2016 i have earned over $1200 in the first 5 days (first 5 calendar days), but i was
notplaced in top50
p.s. i speak not about c4s and dont ask for advices, i speak generally about video quality/price ratio
PixiieGirl
01-15-2017, 11:15 AM
Thanks Luna, I feel better about just using my c920 now :)
same!
Luna66
01-15-2017, 11:52 AM
You're both welcome! I wrote a long post, but it gave away a little too much and I really wanna stay anonymous. The bottom line is, as long as the video is watchable quality, they'll buy it if they want it. And C920 is definitely watchable quality in 1080p mode :)
AlyssaJ
01-15-2017, 12:01 PM
Lol
Boyru brings good laughs ;D
Some people just won't take advice no matter the evidence... But I do think these topics are good to discuss!
PixiieGirl
01-15-2017, 12:19 PM
do you guys find advertising your store on specific forums for your niche works well? I was researching one and found a forum and thought heck why not try hahah
boyru
01-15-2017, 12:24 PM
objects crush shoes/barefoot - motion and sound quality is absolutely important for barefoot lovers, they will never pay for lowres videos
trampling - motion quality is very important, they like heels traces on face or on stomach, lowres is not welcome here
fuking, blowjobs etc - this videos dont have details whic can be showed in HD or FHD resolution, it is regular sex and nothing more
peeing, lactation - detais are very important, so FHD is welcome here
spandex, latex, vinyl, lycra, pantyhoses, stockings - details are very important, lowres is not welcome
giantess, pov domination, pov glass floor etc - details are not very importnat, 1280x720 is sufficient resolution
are You agree with my notes?
boyru
01-15-2017, 12:25 PM
do you guys find advertising your store on specific forums for your niche works well? I was researching one and found a forum and thought heck why not try hahah
i use them, but 70% of traffic is coming from bookmarks
Classy_Katy
01-15-2017, 01:21 PM
do you guys find advertising your store on specific forums for your niche works well? I was researching one and found a forum and thought heck why not try hahah
It may depend on the forum but one I was on did not appreciate it when another girl came in to obviously sell her clips, it was best with that forum to join as someone who shares the same fetish.
PixiieGirl
01-15-2017, 01:32 PM
It may depend on the forum but one I was on did not appreciate it when another girl came in to obviously sell her clips, it was best with that forum to join as someone who shares the same fetish.
the one I've looked at has a section specifically for girls to advertise clips, but I'll be sure to join in discussions to
Juliette25
01-15-2017, 02:24 PM
Does anyone have a trusted source for adult video editing that they can share? I'm thinking of outsourcing.
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-15-2017, 02:57 PM
I think boyru is just trolling. I don't know why though. I am ignoring him.
I once looked to outsource video editing as well, but the cheapest I found was like $40 / clip. One where I thought he is not using it as an alibi to get clips for free. Now I don't think that is really expensive, but I don't earn $40 on each clip. So not worth it for me.
Speaking of that, I had a nice run in the top 40. Still on #40 right now, but today I am stuck on $11 total, so that'll be it for "at least" 7 days :P
Louise Love
01-15-2017, 03:36 PM
I have tried to see my banner when it is scheduled for display in various cats, but never saw it despite repeatedly refreshing the page. I figure "your banner is displaying" still means the 1-3 banner spots switches between several banners, but if so, howcome I mostly see just one same banner in one spot (for some other studio), sometimes for the entire time my banner was supposed to display.
Something similar was happening to me, it wasn't working even after triple checking that specs, format, name, directory, etc. were correct for the file I was trying to use, which I did in Photoshop. The only way I could get it to work was to upload my banner jpg to the CS4 display banner widget generator as a background image. The one the widget generated worked right away, too bad it made it more pixelated than the file I carefully optimized but oh well.
AlyssaJ
01-15-2017, 03:36 PM
I don't think you'll find any professional editor that would do it for a cut that would be worth it. I used to work in a similar field and it's too costly for a small producer. Within the field it was/is common though to pay with favors, and it is in my current area of work too. Like you help me advertise and I make this photo shoot for you, or I do catering for your event if you design my web page. I will probably ask for web advertising/SEO help from friends and they can get my expertise in return. The work fields I am in are tough businesses and I've done well because I have been able to ask for favors since I've helped others. It's a winning concept :)
I love editing myself but it's very time consuming, especially when you get nerdy and picky with details like I do... I let myself with some clips that are favorites of mine, others I put a deadline ("Alyssa, you have to finish it within this hour, or you have to do punishment cardio exercise") I could easily be burnt out putting effort in details that won't reflect in sales.
I think it's best to find ways to shoot that requires minimal editing. For a simple video I just cut away the initial adjusting, then add title, end text and watermark, those I have saved so just have to paste. I have to admit though - I tend to complicate things myself... XD
AlyssaJ
01-15-2017, 03:59 PM
Something similar was happening to me, it wasn't working even after triple checking that specs, format, name, directory, etc. were correct for the file I was trying to use, which I did in Photoshop. The only way I could get it to work was to upload my banner jpg to the CS4 display banner widget generator as a background image. The one the widget generated worked right away, too bad it made it more pixelated than the file I carefully optimized but oh well.
Hmm. So I take it that you ARE supposed to see it, the whole time, and not someone else's banner? Or how did you know it wasn't working? I wrote my post after I had been in contact with support, and they told me they resized it (even though it had the right specs to start with). I think that is some standard answer. After that the schedule started ticking but I still haven't seen it. I also find it unbelievable that I haven't had a single click from the categories it's supposed to have displayed in (assuming I am reading the stats correctly) I'll contact support again, and after that try the widget (you mean the banner wizard right?)
AlyssaJ
01-15-2017, 04:01 PM
For some reason there is no thanks-button on your post that I can see Louise, but thanks :)
Tea4Me
01-15-2017, 05:51 PM
noone excepting the Lady with G85 film high quality videos
99% of us are using bad cameras for filming and bad lightening
you will feel the difference between real clear 1920*1080 (downscaled from 6K/4K source) and bad 1920*1080 filmed on simple camera
And yet we STILL make $$$$. Imagine that!
Tea4Me
01-15-2017, 05:57 PM
Tara's store is a collection of ordinary porn clips
And yet she obviously has a following because she is consistently in the Top 5-10 on the MAIN PAGE. (pssst....it's more than 'just porn'. She does a lot of fetish/taboo storylines in her clips)
She does good work, but She doesnt shoot crush, trample (girl on man) and much more
And? your point being?
i dont trust top50
in the may of 2016 i have earned over $1200 in the first 5 days (first 5 calendar days), but i was
notplaced in top50
Wait a second....you were telling us all before that you only were making $100 a month before. you can't even keep your own BS straight!
What you'd make on days 6 and 7? Because I believe it's around $1400 in 7 days to get on there but that can fluctuate if other stores are having great sales weeks as well.
p.s. i speak not about c4s and dont ask for advices, i speak generally about video quality/price ratio
Well, once again, this is the CLIPS4SALE thread....
Louise Love
01-15-2017, 05:58 PM
Hmm. So I take it that you ARE supposed to see it, the whole time, and not someone else's banner? Or how did you know it wasn't working? I wrote my post after I had been in contact with support, and they told me they resized it (even though it had the right specs to start with). I think that is some standard answer. After that the schedule started ticking but I still haven't seen it. I also find it unbelievable that I haven't had a single click from the categories it's supposed to have displayed in (assuming I am reading the stats correctly) I'll contact support again, and after that try the widget (you mean the banner wizard right?)
Yes, the banner wizard. LOL. I knew it started with a W. You should definitely be able to see it when it's on display. You might try refreshing the page a few times, clearing your cache/resetting your browser or try in another browser to load the new image.
nattythefattyforsure
01-15-2017, 06:24 PM
I think, rather than spending money on becoming an advertiser, you're much better off spending time becoming an active and trusted member of those forums.
do you guys find advertising your store on specific forums for your niche works well? I was researching one and found a forum and thought heck why not try hahah
nattythefattyforsure
01-15-2017, 06:25 PM
Loving this thread that I only recently found. Thank you for all the great advice.
New question ... I only have one version of each clip (no different formats--they're all mp4's). But the more I read up about c4s the more I feel like this may be stupid and naive. Then again, it seems like a lot of stores in the Top 50 don't repost different formats of the same clips, either.
Am I missing something? Should I go ahead and convert and upload all my mp4s to different formats and enjoy the effortless bump in ratings I might see from it ... ?
Classy_Katy
01-15-2017, 10:47 PM
Loving this thread that I only recently found. Thank you for all the great advice.
New question ... I only have one version of each clip (no different formats--they're all mp4's). But the more I read up about c4s the more I feel like this may be stupid and naive. Then again, it seems like a lot of stores in the Top 50 don't repost different formats of the same clips, either.
Am I missing something? Should I go ahead and convert and upload all my mp4s to different formats and enjoy the effortless bump in ratings I might see from it ... ?
You can do, WMV is popular too and not everyone wants an HD size. Many clips fall within more than one fetish category and sometimes there is more than one category for exactly the same fetish.