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MissJu
07-22-2017, 09:08 PM
I have had huge refunds, I dont want to disclose and discourage people from working.

Sam38g
07-23-2017, 09:14 AM
I looked there were more than I thought.
Wow

Tea4Me
07-23-2017, 12:19 PM
I'm curious as to some of the details of all of these big chargebacks and if they are related in some way. Like....were the sales done in July and chargedback in July? Were they big sales or just a lot of small sales? And were they refunds or chargebacks? (Personally whenever I get a refund, I always ask a C4S what it was for refunded for)

I know whenever I get a big clip order and the customer has never purchased from me before, the first thing I do is live chat with a C4S rep to see if they have a (purchase) history with C4S. Usually they block/freeze/hold big FIRST orders and need proof of identity before they let the order go through. And usually the rep mentions that, if not, I ask them about that. If the customer refuses to offer proof of ID, then the order is refunded in the next day or two.

Cam_Model_Jess
07-24-2017, 09:10 AM
From what I understand, currently the issue is refunds for fraudulent purchases. It seems that in a lot of cases the site is recognizing these fraud charges as fraud, then sending the transactions for refunds. It can take a few days for the refund to come through on your account though. Sometimes the customers are able to download the clips (usually when it's a big-time scammer who has super fast internet) but sometimes the site blocks the downloads. I think the main problems are that 1. You don't know if they were able to download unless you write/call in. 2. It's discouraging when you get so many refunds that every purchase is suspect & you can't get excited about it.

I've seen a few ladies say they're getting hundreds in refunds/chargebacks (one lady had $600 last month & $700 so far this month), and at that point, it's hard to even want to upload anything or to check your sales, knowing that a significant portion of the money will disappear.

xoxoBambi
07-24-2017, 10:38 AM
Hey there,

So I have a quick question about c4s. So I got a refund this morning from a guy who bought 6 of my videos yesterday. I am wondering what is the difference between a refund and a chargeback. I am kind of irritated because basically he was able to watch all my videos for free ya?

Tea4Me
07-24-2017, 10:47 AM
Hey there,

So I have a quick question about c4s. So I got a refund this morning from a guy who bought 6 of my videos yesterday. I am wondering what is the difference between a refund and a chargeback. I am kind of irritated because basically he was able to watch all my videos for free ya?

I believe refunds are done by C4S and chargebacks are done by the banks. I *think*. Had he ever purchased from you before? I would first contact C4S and see why he was refunded. Sometimes C4S will refund a transaction if it appears to be fraudulent. They will do that before it can come back as a chargeback. IF the customer has purchased from you before (meaning he has done other clip orders than the 6 clips), and then he did this refund (and for some BS reason), I would have C4S block him from buying your clips again. Also ask the C4S rep if the customer *was* able to download your clips because if they refunded it because of suspected fraud, perhaps they disabled the downloads as well. It never hurts to ask.

xoxoBambi
07-24-2017, 10:54 AM
Thank you for the response, yes I just messaged them to ask why he was refunded. He has never bought anything from me before. Just the 6 videos yesterday.

MissJu
07-24-2017, 01:01 PM
Hey there,

So I have a quick question about c4s. So I got a refund this morning from a guy who bought 6 of my videos yesterday. I am wondering what is the difference between a refund and a chargeback. I am kind of irritated because basically he was able to watch all my videos for free ya?
He didnt steal it to just watch it. He stole it to profit from it.

xoxoBambi
07-24-2017, 01:18 PM
MissJu ugh I hate that shit. Do you ladies have anyway to go about finding if your vids are posted elsewhere? Or do I just have to search for them on every porn site?

Tea4Me
07-24-2017, 01:54 PM
MissJu ugh I hate that shit. Do you ladies have anyway to go about finding if your vids are posted elsewhere? Or do I just have to search for them on every porn site?

Ugh. It's SO time consuming because guys don't always use your name when they repost them. I usually start off by doing a Google search (All, Videos, Images) for my name (that I shoot clips under) and then add keywords and just see what I find. There are some sites...Pornhub, Motherless, Spankbang (are a few) that I've seen quite a bit of C4S content on and so I look there. But again, guys don't always post the title of the clip or your name, so then you have to search through general stuff to see if your stuff is posted. Like I said, time consuming.

xoxoBambi
07-24-2017, 02:50 PM
Tea4Me thank you much for the response. Yes I can see how it can be time consuming as hell!! I have found one of my fart vids posted on Youtube of all places, I actually didn't find it one of my guys found it and it didn't show my face at all so I ended up putting a link to my c4s store in the comments on there after telling the guy who originally posted it that my vids are for personal use only, I do believe that my link on there got me some business though lol but ya I hate how these guys think its okay to just steal our content that we worked hard to create and then just profit off them. Irritates my life!!

takiaya
07-24-2017, 05:32 PM
Tea4Me thank you much for the response. Yes I can see how it can be time consuming as hell!! I have found one of my fart vids posted on Youtube of all places, I actually didn't find it one of my guys found it and it didn't show my face at all so I ended up putting a link to my c4s store in the comments on there after telling the guy who originally posted it that my vids are for personal use only, I do believe that my link on there got me some business though lol but ya I hate how these guys think its okay to just steal our content that we worked hard to create and then just profit off them. Irritates my life!!

Its not hard to get youtube to take your videos down. Flag the video and send youtube a message.

Ugh I got a bunch of chargebacks/refunds this morning. So disappointing. I wrote a long angry message to clips4sale support. I know they don't care but it pissed me off so did it anyway. This month I really worked hard to get my clips4sales back up and to look at my dashboard and realize 10% of all clips sold this month were refunded really irks me. This is the only site I have this happen on. Don't tell me clips4sale can't afford chargeback protection. Or atleast offer us something like iwantclips started doing, for an additional fee, I think its 5% on iwantclips, all chargebacks are covered.

takiaya
07-24-2017, 05:36 PM
Its not hard to get youtube to take your videos down. Flag the video and send youtube a message.

Ugh I got a bunch of chargebacks/refunds this morning. So disappointing. I wrote a long angry message to clips4sale support. I know they don't care but it pissed me off so did it anyway. This month I really worked hard to get my clips4sales back up and to look at my dashboard and realize 10% of all clips sold this month were refunded really irks me. This is the only site I have this happen on. Don't tell me clips4sale can't afford chargeback protection. Or atleast offer us something like iwantclips started doing, for an additional fee, I think its 5% on iwantclips, all chargebacks are covered.

Just got an email back from support, they are forwarding it to Neil to discuss chargeback protection. I'm curious as to what his reply will be.

xoxoBambi
07-24-2017, 05:46 PM
Just got an email back from support, they are forwarding it to Neil to discuss chargeback protection. I'm curious as to what his reply will be.

Yes I want to know what can be done as well. Its so upsetting when I am stoked to make some good sales and then log in the next morning to see refunds. Very discouraging.

justsometwat
07-24-2017, 05:57 PM
If they allowed you to choose between opting into a charge back protection at say 5% or you just continue to get them as they are now. I wouldn't opt in. Not if they aren't going to fix this. It's a serious problem and it has to be costing them a lot of money and definitely loyalty.

Like we've all said before, this just isn't happening on other sites so clearly c4s needs to sort it. If I had to pay an additional percentage to help precent this then there's not way I'd do it. Especially since people can download the videos until they have been caught, I'd be paying extra to still be pirated :(

takiaya
07-24-2017, 06:30 PM
If they allowed you to choose between opting into a charge back protection at say 5% or you just continue to get them as they are now. I wouldn't opt in. Not if they aren't going to fix this. It's a serious problem and it has to be costing them a lot of money and definitely loyalty.

Like we've all said before, this just isn't happening on other sites so clearly c4s needs to sort it. If I had to pay an additional percentage to help precent this then there's not way I'd do it. Especially since people can download the videos until they have been caught, I'd be paying extra to still be pirated :(

Honestly though if someone wants to pirate your stuff they can buy the clip, not get a refund, and then upload it everywhere anyway. Theres no way to stop pirating. I would be happy with no loosing the money in the first place.

justsometwat
07-24-2017, 06:35 PM
At least then I'd have gotten paid for that video. It's especially scummy if they charge back the video or use a stolen card so I'm out the video and the sale.

I've had people buy $200+ worth of videos and pirate them but never get a refund. It sucks that now I have to dmca these videos on a million sites and yeah I can get them banned so they can't buy again, but at least I wasn't totally ripped off.

MissJu
07-24-2017, 06:43 PM
Its not hard to get youtube to take your videos down. Flag the video and send youtube a message.

Ugh I got a bunch of chargebacks/refunds this morning. So disappointing. I wrote a long angry message to clips4sale support. I know they don't care but it pissed me off so did it anyway. This month I really worked hard to get my clips4sales back up and to look at my dashboard and realize 10% of all clips sold this month were refunded really irks me. This is the only site I have this happen on. Don't tell me clips4sale can't afford chargeback protection. Or atleast offer us something like iwantclips started doing, for an additional fee, I think its 5% on iwantclips, all chargebacks are covered.
Also if that scum monetized your video you can get the money from youtube for that video.

takiaya
07-25-2017, 10:54 AM
woke up to multiple large orders that were all refunded. Sent another angry email to support. If this continues I will be pulling all my videos down. At this point I now have about 1/3 of all sales this month refunded. Where is all these guys coming from all of a sudden? Never had this happen till this week.

takiaya
07-25-2017, 11:20 AM
woke up to multiple large orders that were all refunded. Sent another angry email to support. If this continues I will be pulling all my videos down. At this point I now have about 1/3 of all sales this month refunded. Where is all these guys coming from all of a sudden? Never had this happen till this week.

So support says they got a bunch of new customers and they are putting holds and issues refunds for all their purchases until they can prove they are who they say they are. Supposedly downloads are suppose to be blocked.

takiaya
07-25-2017, 12:32 PM
MissJu ugh I hate that shit. Do you ladies have anyway to go about finding if your vids are posted elsewhere? Or do I just have to search for them on every porn site?

Start with your cam name, cam names, clip store names, etc., If you are on mfc there one that had mfc in the title if the site and it had most girls that cam on it there, motherless is also a big one, normally the guys tag it with your cam name. If you have any identifiable tattoos, if you do specific fetishes etc you can search those things but it takes way to long. I watermark my stream and guys with upload it with the watermark or zoom it in to where the watermark isn't shown. It's a headache. Normally the ones easy to find has your name in it. Google search. Anyone that is a customer and wants to find you for free will search your cam name anyway and that's where you loose the most money. Why buy your video when they do a search for your name and it comes up free.

MissJu
07-25-2017, 06:59 PM
woke up to multiple large orders that were all refunded. Sent another angry email to support. If this continues I will be pulling all my videos down. At this point I now have about 1/3 of all sales this month refunded. Where is all these guys coming from all of a sudden? Never had this happen till this week.
They sucked dry all those subscription websites to the point that some left the business. Now they try to ride our necks.

Classy_Katy
07-25-2017, 10:06 PM
Start with your cam name, cam names, clip store names, etc., If you are on mfc there one that had mfc in the title if the site and it had most girls that cam on it there, motherless is also a big one, normally the guys tag it with your cam name. If you have any identifiable tattoos, if you do specific fetishes etc you can search those things but it takes way to long. I watermark my stream and guys with upload it with the watermark or zoom it in to where the watermark isn't shown. It's a headache. Normally the ones easy to find has your name in it. Google search. Anyone that is a customer and wants to find you for free will search your cam name anyway and that's where you loose the most money. Why buy your video when they do a search for your name and it comes up free.

Sometimes your stats will reveal where some clips are too.

Sam38g
07-25-2017, 10:30 PM
Eventually, some smart ass will come into free chat & post a link to those videos that are stolen & on a tubesite.

Sam38g
07-25-2017, 10:31 PM
So support says they got a bunch of new customers and they are putting holds and issues refunds for all their purchases until they can prove they are who they say they are. Supposedly downloads are suppose to be blocked.

A bunch, how interesting. Which means it was planned & organized. C4S won't be the only site they hit over the rest of this year. If it is on that level, which I suspected it would be.

Tea4Me
07-26-2017, 09:35 AM
A bunch, how interesting. Which means it was planned & organized. C4S won't be the only site they hit over the rest of this year. If it is on that level, which I suspected it would be.

I don't know if you remember that Clips4free site, which was basically a dup of C4S, but with pirated clips! Someone or someoneS had to be responsible for that site and all of this recent fraud makes me wonder if someone is is doing something similar.... or planning to.

5000
07-26-2017, 05:49 PM
MissJu ugh I hate that shit. Do you ladies have anyway to go about finding if your vids are posted elsewhere? Or do I just have to search for them on every porn site?

If you are going to search on every porn site you can save yourself some work by saving and re-using the search queries you use.

For frequently updated sites, like the large tube and piracy blogs, I keep a text list of ~200 site URLs with pre-filled out search queries sorted to show the most recent uploads. The search strings would be performer names and fetish video terms like:

http//www tube site name com/video/search?search=clips4sale&o=mr
http//www tube site name com/video/search?search=giantess&o=mr
http// content aggregator .tv/stream/firstname+lastname%20%23newlinks

etc.

Then on whatever schedule you like, copy/paste that entire list into the "Open Multiple URLs" browser extension and it will load everything into separate tabs which you can quickly navigate through with a visual scan as recent infringement will show up at the top of each page. This way you can check a lot of sites in just a few minutes.

5000
07-26-2017, 05:57 PM
woke up to multiple large orders that were all refunded. Sent another angry email to support. If this continues I will be pulling all my videos down. At this point I now have about 1/3 of all sales this month refunded. Where is all these guys coming from all of a sudden? Never had this happen till this week.

There is a Latvian piracy site that has gotten incredibly aggressive in just the past two months with buying and being the first to post very new clips4 content in order to generate file locker referral revenue through keep 2 share and hotlink cc premium download signups. This may be them. I've looked through some sales data and cannot find a single correlating name. I think its a ring of people pooling together as they are careful to re-compress the video files first or someone using multiple stolen credit card numbers.

I can pm you and anyone else the site name if you want it.

takiaya
07-26-2017, 06:12 PM
Sure you can send it to me. I'll take a look


There is a Latvian piracy site that has gotten incredibly aggressive in just the past two months with buying and being the first to post very new clips4 content in order to generate file locker referral revenue through keep 2 share and hotlink cc premium download signups. This may be them. I've looked through some sales data and cannot find a single correlating name. I think its a ring of people pooling together as they are careful to re-compress the video files first or someone using multiple stolen credit card numbers.

I can pm you and anyone else the site name if you want it.

takiaya
07-26-2017, 06:14 PM
Eventually, some smart ass will come into free chat & post a link to those videos that are stolen & on a tubesite.

The first time I ever saw myself on a tubesite was because this happened xD.

MissJu
07-26-2017, 06:29 PM
There is a Latvian piracy site that has gotten incredibly aggressive in just the past two months with buying and being the first to post very new clips4 content in order to generate file locker referral revenue through keep 2 share and hotlink cc premium download signups. This may be them. I've looked through some sales data and cannot find a single correlating name. I think its a ring of people pooling together as they are careful to re-compress the video files first or someone using multiple stolen credit card numbers.

I can pm you and anyone else the site name if you want it.
Yup thats Latvian fucker and 1 chinese fucker.
Latvian always going for 30-40$ mostly american CC.
Chinese one got it all australian mostly, canadian, brazilian CC. he is not shy at all his average 80$.

PixiieGirl
07-27-2017, 01:52 AM
There is a Latvian piracy site that has gotten incredibly aggressive in just the past two months with buying and being the first to post very new clips4 content in order to generate file locker referral revenue through keep 2 share and hotlink cc premium download signups. This may be them. I've looked through some sales data and cannot find a single correlating name. I think its a ring of people pooling together as they are careful to re-compress the video files first or someone using multiple stolen credit card numbers.

I can pm you and anyone else the site name if you want it.

can you PM me please :)

Sinna (2pee4you)
07-27-2017, 02:47 AM
Glad I am not hit by this. I am having a $2 day followed by a $5 day, but I get to keep it ALL!

by the way, what is going on with the SW login? I have to log in 30 times in a row until it finally "gets" it and then I get thrown out again.

PixiieGirl
07-27-2017, 03:20 AM
Glad I am not hit by this. I am having a $2 day followed by a $5 day, but I get to keep it ALL!

by the way, what is going on with the SW login? I have to log in 30 times in a row until it finally "gets" it and then I get thrown out again.
couple of $0's the last few days for me - but then I did accidentally miss an upload and I'm like, 2 sales from my monthly best earnings so fingers crossed lol

Tea4Me
07-27-2017, 09:12 AM
A few more tweets on the Refund issue...

https://twitter.com/AshleySinclair0/status/890220919943303168

https://twitter.com/AshleySinclair0/status/890315028959817728

https://twitter.com/pornlaw/status/890312871661273088

takiaya
07-27-2017, 09:28 AM
Yeah the refunds are rediculous. I put some serious hours into uploading clips there this month. My highest earning month there all year. But to look and see a little ove 1/3 of all sales were refunded/chargebacks it's like is it really worth it? I was excited about passing $200 to get daily pay and even after the chargebacks I'm still well over $200 but how does that even work with the refunds? Whereall those videos go? C4S says the downloads were blocked but another girl said all her from this month were on tube sites so obviously they aren't blocking the downloads. How much money will it really cost me in the long run? How many hours do I have to spend getting videos taken down?

MissJu
07-27-2017, 02:45 PM
Fuck the refunds. My issue is stolen videos. In may I have got so many refunds lets say you have 100 vids and lets say they all got stolen within a week. Now that person posting them on his website and earns money.
My guess why c4s lately got so many refunds is....
1)Iwantclips covered their hole. Because before they used to get looted. Most clips which used to get stolen came from IWC.
2)As I said about pirates before they sucked all those sub sites. Watching videos is much easier than film them.
3)someone is trying to ruin a reputation of c4s.

Tea4Me
07-27-2017, 04:33 PM
Just thinking out loud.......I find it hard to believe that other sites don't have chargebacks. Ever. Or do we just not hear about them? Do some other sites have some kind of rule that if you sign up for them, you can't ever say anything negative about them on social media, or what?

And yes MissJu, I remember quite a few people mentioning on this thread that a lot of their pirated clips came from IWC (because their watermark was on the clips).

I don't know why anyone still does a subscription (aka paysite) anymore in 2017. It's so easy for guys to do a site-rip and take all the content in the members area.

C4S has been around forever and it is the original clips site that a lot of others have used as a template to make their own clip sites. Yeah, it's not the prettiest site around (lol), but time and time again when doing comparisons with other sites, people have said....they get the most sales from C4S and the most traffic. If they were screwing people around all of these years, I don't think they'd still be around today. So yeah, people mentioning all of these chargebacks on social media DOES look bad and it would be nice if C4S would make SOME kind of statement. Even if it's just to clips producers in an announcement in the admin area.

SFHS
07-27-2017, 04:46 PM
It's not C4S's fault that chargeback and refunds are happening but something has changed and fraud is becoming more prevalent on their website and they have to start putting in safety measures to combat it. About 8 months ago I had someone from Russia buying all my femdom, cbt, and ballbusting clips and getting chargebacks on them within an hour. It was so bad I stopped filming those clips. Then a few months ago I shot a clip in that category and then the fraudulent orders returned. Now I don't shoot those type of clips because I don't want to deal with fraudulent sales.

justsometwat
07-27-2017, 07:19 PM
I've only ever gotten two chargebacks on KB in 2 years and on IWC I haven't gotten any, at least not since they started Chargeback protection. Before this year on C4S I had gotten 5 chargebacks from 3 people and 5 refunds from 3 people (probably all one actual person though). My first chargeback I ever got on C4S was in 2015 after my store had been open since 2012. The other 9 happened in June, August, and December of 2016.

This year I have gotten 2 chargebacks (from 1 person in April) and 51 refunds from 11 people (most of which were all from the same 1 person committing fraud), 2 refunds were from March, 9 in May, 35 in June, and so far 5 this month, though it looks like I might luck out and end without anymore, but I fully expect to get some next month from some that were bought this month.

PixiieGirl
07-31-2017, 04:04 PM
ergh when you think a new video type your trying will sell well but it doesn't sell at all in 3 days
dang!

Natalie0523
07-31-2017, 11:33 PM
ergh when you think a new video type your trying will sell well but it doesn't sell at all in 3 days
dang!

Yes this happens to me too. I've learned to be patient because sometimes it's delayed. The video won't sell and then suddenly two days later it will sell and pick up momentum sales-wise. I suppose there are all sorts of factors coming into play of why it takes a few days to start selling.

Random question regarding featured clips...how often do you guys change them up? Personally, I usually leave them up for about a month, let them expire and then change them once I see them disappear. I want to get into the habit of alternating them at least once every two weeks. Maybe that will make a difference. What's your experience?

Sam38g
08-01-2017, 04:16 AM
ergh when you think a new video type your trying will sell well but it doesn't sell at all in 3 days
dang!

If you are brand new in that niche, you may not have the traffic to generate sales to that video. It may take several videos for that to happen.

PixiieGirl
08-01-2017, 04:24 AM
If you are brand new in that niche, you may not have the traffic to generate sales to that video. It may take several videos for that to happen.
it was more of a sub-niche within my main category, but thats a great point - I'll try a few more and see how it goes :)

Classy_Katy
08-01-2017, 08:09 AM
Random question regarding featured clips...how often do you guys change them up? Personally, I usually leave them up for about a month, let them expire and then change them once I see them disappear. I want to get into the habit of alternating them at least once every two weeks. Maybe that will make a difference. What's your experience?

I used to change them weekly but I was updating daily in those days so I can't compare with now. These days I will set them for a month or more but I add quite a few so that they rotate. I do find them worth having up.

PixiieGirl
08-01-2017, 08:18 AM
is using featured clips useful? I've never actually used them

Classy_Katy
08-01-2017, 11:16 AM
is using featured clips useful? I've never actually used them

Like I said, I think so. Try it and see if it makes a difference for you. Gives them other clips to see rather than just the first clip on the page when they first land.

PixiieGirl
08-01-2017, 11:36 AM
Like I said, I think so. Try it and see if it makes a difference for you. Gives them other clips to see rather than just the first clip on the page when they first land.

Ah sorry I missed the last part of your post! Thanks!

SFHS
08-02-2017, 04:55 AM
Well July was a shit month. My sales dropped about 40% from June and I only did slightly better than last July. The only thing that saved me was that I had my best month ever on IWC. Hopefully August will be better.

Anybody get an invitation to xHamster Premium? I guess they're getting into the clip selling game. I might try it out by uploading some older content and seeing how it does.

Felicia[FightServ]
08-02-2017, 01:44 PM
Well July was a shit month. My sales dropped about 40% from June and I only did slightly better than last July. The only thing that saved me was that I had my best month ever on IWC. Hopefully August will be better.

Anybody get an invitation to xHamster Premium? I guess they're getting into the clip selling game. I might try it out by uploading some older content and seeing how it does.

I did, but I wasn't sure it was legit. Has anyone here tried it?