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Tea4Me
01-02-2019, 01:46 PM
TROLL: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

justsometwat
01-02-2019, 01:46 PM
I am just not going to try to discuss things with you anymore. You ask for advice and when you get it you shit all over it, never say thank you, and just keep trying to pry into lives of others and their earnings though it is obvious to everyone but you that it really means nothing. This isn't just an anonymous forum, lots of cam girls openly contribute with their cam names, discuss their side businesses, and generally are open with who they are.

You frequently put down other people in this horrible way, like none of us are treating this as a business - which MANY of us are. Most of us do this full time and have for years, but for you to constantly say things that demean us will not get us to be helpful with you. It's a string of insults with the way you say things and how you respond, so I am peacing out from your posts.

Jessicas_DoE_x
01-02-2019, 01:49 PM
Amen! (It's also none of anyone else's business....)

Ok, no looking to argue with anyone,
But just out of curiosity then, if that's the case what barometer do you compare your sales to, to assess whether you are truely achieving the full sales-potential which your studio could do?


As every single other business in the world (or atleast in the UK) compares their sales to other company's sales.
They also compare their specific product sales to other company's sales of that same product, during that same period.

All of that information is publicly accessible by anyone, online, via CompaniesHouse directory, and so it's standard procedure for every company to be able to review and see exactly how much all other companies in their same industry are making each month.

But so it just surprises me why people in this thread are all so hyper-secretive (although as I mentioned in a previous post, maybe you Americans have very different customs about business privacy compared to what is the norm in England). :)

Jessicas_DoE_x
01-02-2019, 01:53 PM
I never put anyone down, simply asked a perfectly legitimate question. :)

No-one forced you to have to respond.
There is no law saying that YOU personally must respond to every single post in this forum.

I see dozens of posts in this forum which are not of interest to me but so guess what, I just gloss over them and don't provide any answer/response to them.
But so if you don't want to provide answers to any of the stuff which I ask, well no-one has ever tried to force you to.

Just don't comment if you aren't interested in the subject ~ Simple as that. :)

AlyssaJ
01-02-2019, 04:30 PM
A question: I have since my start at C4S offered a mp4 and a wmv version, both in full HD 1080. The mp4:s have always sold most by far, but this last year it seems barely anyone want wmv:s anymore. I like the chance of more exposure with two posts (but not more, that feels spammy) but of course I'd rather offer a format someone actually might want. I am now thinking of skipping wmv:s all together and instead offer a small size mp4 version, for those who wish faster download/mobile viewing. What is your experience with SD versions, is there a fair share of customers who actually choose them?
And I can't decide if I should try 854x480 or 960x540, do you think it matters? (I'm thinking 720 wouldn't be difference enough as a small size)

Iris Keenkade
01-02-2019, 04:42 PM
A question: I have since my start at C4S offered a mp4 and a wmv version, both in full HD 1080. The mp4:s have always sold most by far, but this last year it seems barely anyone want wmv:s anymore. I like the chance of more exposure with two posts (but not more, that feels spammy) but of course I'd rather offer a format someone actually might want. I am now thinking of skipping wmv:s all together and instead offer a small size mp4 version, for those who wish faster download/mobile viewing. What is your experience with SD versions, is there a fair share of customers who actually choose them?
And I can't decide if I should try 854x480 or 960x540, do you think it matters? (I'm thinking 720 wouldn't be difference enough as a small size)

I do 4K MP4, SD MP4, HD WMV, and SD WMV. 4K definitely sells the best, with the occasional HD. Every now and then I get an SD sale, but I order my videos so that all SD content is placed last. So a customer has to either click my latest update, or search for SD specifically to see them. Overall, it's pretty rare for me to see an SD sale, probably less than 1% of my overall sales. My SD size is 480p as well.

fetishqueen
01-02-2019, 04:51 PM
If you look at the top few stores, they are all using different resolutions and different formats, some I've never heard of! One store only seems to be offering WMVs and some both. I have ummed and ahhed over this many times and never really come to a satisfactory conclusion!

SFHS
01-02-2019, 04:55 PM
December was a disappointment for me. Not only did I make less than last December I also made less than last month which was also a disappointment. The last few months I was making huge gains over the previous years months and December killed that momentum. I also noticed I was getting way less traffic to my store. I consistently get over a thousand views a day to my store but over 10 days last month I fell below that. Thankfully my store views are back to normal and I'm hoping I can go back to making big gains again.

Iris Keenkade
01-02-2019, 04:59 PM
December was a disappointment for me. Not only did I make less than last December I also made less than last month which was also a disappointment. The last few months I was making huge gains over the previous years months and December killed that momentum. I also noticed I was getting way less traffic to my store. I consistently get over a thousand views a day to my store but over 10 days last month I fell below that. Thankfully my store views are back to normal and I'm hoping I can go back to making big gains again.

Same. I may have done this to myself thinking on it some more. Previously my videos were more femdom, with some BDSM elements. My last few were definitely more "romantic" or "worship" in nature.

justsometwat
01-02-2019, 05:03 PM
Do y'all have links in your description for the other file types? I am re-releasing my larger videos into a smaller resolution and bitrate, but I'm also scheduling them for a time when I'd not normally to see what happens.

I'm linking back to the original resolution since its better quality. I'm hoping it brings more attention to my stores by hitting a different group of customers that I might normally get.

Iris Keenkade
01-02-2019, 05:05 PM
Do y'all have links in your description for the other file types? I am re-releasing my larger videos into a smaller resolution and bitrate, but I'm also scheduling them for a time when I'd not normally to see what happens.

I'm linking back to the original resolution since its better quality. I'm hoping it brings more attention to my stores by hitting a different group of customers that I might normally get.

I don't do this, but I really should. SD -> HD and HD -> SD. I'll have to go dig to see how to do the embedded link thing.

Tea4Me
01-02-2019, 05:18 PM
I gotta say....after January 15th, I am going to miss the CID code and the ability to earn 75% with each sale. Since they said these codes would be "forever" codes, I'm hoping they are planning more contests in the future....with the 75%! (Or more!!! lol) It would be nice if there was a way we could earn that permanently or something.

AlyssaJ
01-02-2019, 05:46 PM
Jessica: I see your point, but I think if you re-read your posts you might see that you could ask those questions in a more humble and non-competitive tone :)

We all work at this in various ways, so no it's not as simple to compare as one might think. Outing numbers can also be risky business-wise as lurkers might see it as proof of one's quality as a studio/performer, or opposite - feel that we earn too much for a "simple job" and not wanting to support that particular studio/performer.

To give you somewhat of an answer on my part - when I started at C4S in the end of 2016, I worked almost full time making clips the first half year, posting almost one new clip a day, trying out categories. I have gradually slowed down because of other commitments and also I got more effective and learned what's worth doing. Since I have another full time job (I know, I didn't have much free time...) I have a steady income and the luxury of experimenting and just having fun with clips. I have never done camming or anything like it before, I do however have a big interest in fetishes myself. First, I barely sold anything but after half a year I started making what in some places is a good monthly income, but I live in an expensive country in an expensive city and I also love my vanilla job too much to quit it and go full on clip making. I also would have had to work a lot more for the same income compared to my vanilla job and I don't know how long I could have kept up. Instead I now post 1-2 clips a month, making in total roughly 1/3 to half of what I did as best, but I make a LOT more per hour spent now.

My clips don't sell nearly as many times/clip as yours Jessica - some sell over 10 times and some have never sold. I haven't counted my average since there are too many factors for that to be relevant. Some fly to the top in their categories with just a few sales which makes them sell even more. In other categories a clip doesn't even get on the list with the same number of sales. 5-12 min clips sell double or triple compared to longer clips. But the longer ones are more expensive of course which make you climb the studio top list instead. Some clips are customs, and since I charge 10USD/minute for those, they have already made me more than my average clip before even being posted.
I am pretty sure I benefit from the variety of clips in my studio, with some clips being more odd (than usual lol), but making my studio unique.
I only do fetishes I really enjoy. I have no production costs. I spend a few days a month on C4S which makes a good extra income. Of course I do want my clips to sell and tweak them to what I know some of my regulars like - but I also still experiment wildly, partly for fun and partly to keep fresh and find new things that sell. External online marketing is key if one wants to make it big. But I have decided not to care about that for now since my production is so small. But you never know. I might lose my vanilla job - C4S is an awesome backup.

So one can be business minded and serious without doing all the things you "should" to be successful. There is simply no point for me to compare to anyone else but myself :)

AlyssaJ
01-02-2019, 06:07 PM
I do 4K MP4, SD MP4, HD WMV, and SD WMV. 4K definitely sells the best, with the occasional HD. Every now and then I get an SD sale, but I order my videos so that all SD content is placed last. So a customer has to either click my latest update, or search for SD specifically to see them. Overall, it's pretty rare for me to see an SD sale, probably less than 1% of my overall sales. My SD size is 480p as well.

Yeah I also place the wmv:s like that in the back of my store so the clips don't double up in normal view, and was thinking to do this with SD:s. But 1% shows to me it's not really a wished for format either. I'll try it with some upcoming bundles though and see, because these get too huge with wmv.

AlyssaJ
01-02-2019, 06:11 PM
If you look at the top few stores, they are all using different resolutions and different formats, some I've never heard of! One store only seems to be offering WMVs and some both. I have ummed and ahhed over this many times and never really come to a satisfactory conclusion!

I know lol! They are all too different to draw any conclusions. Some clearly break rules as well... Still, C4S states that the two most wished for formats are mp4 and wmv, but I wonder what they base that on.

DonaDiabla
01-02-2019, 06:55 PM
Yes, December was an great overall month for my clip store. As much like yourself, I will be getting far ahead schedule this year for my clips. I can't wait to upgrade my animation clips this year as well. Much of luck to you, Justsometwat :)


I made 1400$ in Dec - which was a pretty great way to end the year because the month started off garbage. About 60% of my sales were with my CID link, shame they all weren't! I am glad that I am taking a break for a while though, I am really struggling with motivation. I am going to try to get as far ahead of schedule this year so I can be more active and hopefully get a vanilla job to actually get out of the house. I am nervous, but maybe that will help to keep me from burning out like I have this last year.

justsometwat
01-02-2019, 07:26 PM
I gotta say....after January 15th, I am going to miss the CID code and the ability to earn 75% with each sale. Since they said these codes would be "forever" codes, I'm hoping they are planning more contests in the future....with the 75%! (Or more!!! lol) It would be nice if there was a way we could earn that permanently or something.

Oh man, that would be so great. I earned a few hundred extra bucks from that code. If only sites could always pay out 75% I'd be so happy!

I am also really looking forward to the bundles, saves me from having to edit together videos and reupload them! I hope it's a worthy feature.

Classy_Katy
01-02-2019, 11:01 PM
Do y'all have links in your description for the other file types? I am re-releasing my larger videos into a smaller resolution and bitrate, but I'm also scheduling them for a time when I'd not normally to see what happens.

I'm linking back to the original resolution since its better quality. I'm hoping it brings more attention to my stores by hitting a different group of customers that I might normally get.

I used to do this but got out of practice. I'm not sure they noticed the links. It's really hard to tell if they're buying by category, size or format.

Djoser
01-03-2019, 02:53 AM
OK we've been through the debate about disclosing earnings. I can see several sides to the issue, but I'm always going to choose the members' privacy over the ideal sharing all information route.

Thanks to everyone for all the various input.

Now let's drop it. ;D

AlyssaJ
01-03-2019, 06:46 AM
I used to do this but got out of practice. I'm not sure they noticed the links. It's really hard to tell if they're buying by category, size or format.

I post the second format (wmv) after the mp4:s, so I link to the mp4 in the wmv description only, or I have to edit the first mp4 description also. I did that in the beginning, but my wmv:s never been nearly as popular so now I don't bother. I also put the wmv:s in the back of my store so only mp4:s are listed if store is entered with default settings. AND I prefer them buying the mp4 since the quality is slightly better (because this is my original format) My guess would be that most customers can play both and buy the first one they come across. They are directed to the mp4:s but many come in on the clips directly (and not the studio first) so it seems at least a group of those actively choose format.

SophiaSylvan
01-03-2019, 07:17 AM
Do y'all have links in your description for the other file types? I am re-releasing my larger videos into a smaller resolution and bitrate, but I'm also scheduling them for a time when I'd not normally to see what happens.

I'm linking back to the original resolution since its better quality. I'm hoping it brings more attention to my stores by hitting a different group of customers that I might normally get.

I keep feeling like I should do this, because when I get hits from alternate categories from my mobile clips, I feel like they might have bought the HD if they had found it. But I really don't need the extra work of going back and linking. Sigh. Anyone have any thoughts on whether this is worth it? Guys who know our stores can just search for them but....

justsometwat
01-03-2019, 07:22 AM
Maybe test it out on videos that have more than one type and are actively getting sales or try with new ones and see? I'd test it out on 5-10 videos and see if there's a difference. If so it might be worth the time.

It's very tedious going back and adding them later on.

Classy_Katy
01-03-2019, 09:27 AM
I keep feeling like I should do this, because when I get hits from alternate categories from my mobile clips, I feel like they might have bought the HD if they had found it. But I really don't need the extra work of going back and linking. Sigh. Anyone have any thoughts on whether this is worth it? Guys who know our stores can just search for them but....

I really don't think they followed the links to the HD one...or they were happy to buy the smaller size.

SophiaSylvan
01-03-2019, 04:39 PM
I mean I haven't yet tried it. So far I only do "if you liked this you might also like", as a habit, but I'm not sure how worth doing that is either. Guys don't seem to want to follow my excellent, appropriate recommendations ;)

KiaraK
01-05-2019, 07:16 PM
What is the general consensus on updating? How much is too much? I’ve been shooting multiple clips in multiple categories. I do schedule to update daily with 1 new video but I would like to add more without coming across as being spammy. These aren’t the same clips in different formats, they are all unique.

Classy_Katy
01-06-2019, 12:30 AM
What is the general consensus on updating? How much is too much? I’ve been shooting multiple clips in multiple categories. I do schedule to update daily with 1 new video but I would like to add more without coming across as being spammy. These aren’t the same clips in different formats, they are all unique.

For uploading a new clip into a particular category, I used to wait until my previous clip was no longer showing in the carousel at the top of each category but now they hold more clips than they used to, so I would go by when sales slow.

For uploading generally, uploading new clips once or more a day into different categories is fine.

KiaraK
01-06-2019, 09:45 AM
For uploading a new clip into a particular category, I used to wait until my previous clip was no longer showing in the carousel at the top of each category but now they hold more clips than they used to, so I would go by when sales slow.

For uploading generally, uploading new clips once or more a day into different categories is fine.

Thank you! I didn’t want to look or feel like I was spamming. My studio is new so I couldn’t gauge by sales just yet. Tho I’m excited becaue a day after opening someone bought all my clips. Which I know that’s not the norm but it was that little push of motivation that I needed. To be honest, it’s a little intimidating when I see some of the huge studios that use multiple models, professional equipment etc but this thread has been beyond helpful.

Tea4Me
01-06-2019, 11:17 AM
To be honest, it’s a little intimidating when I see some of the huge studios that use multiple models, professional equipment etc but this thread has been beyond helpful.

Don't be. If you look at the top store list on the main page, you will find solo model studios who do it all themselves. It can be done! ;-) But that being said....when you can afford it, upgrading your lighting (not sure what you are using now) is always a great investment and you find find some great kits on Amazon or ebay that will give you plenty of light, decently priced.

As far as updating, do what works for you. It becomes "too much" when you aren't excited to do it anymore and your creativity starts to wane. Don't ever feel like you *have* to update so many times a month. There is no golden rule for that, although many people suggest once a day for visibility/traffic. If you are motivated to shoot/post a lot of clips now, do it! :-)

fetishqueen
01-06-2019, 11:42 AM
The beauty of C4S is that it's open to anyone, the top 50 stores list shows a huge variety of categories, solo performers and studios etc. There doesn't seem to be any overwhelming category that does well above all others.

Also, in terms of the quality of filming and lighting etc, of course good lighting helps without a doubt. However I've seen on MANY occasions the top selling clip on the site to be nothing more than a very large person walking up the stairs and back down again, or something equally simple. Sometimes we can over-complicate what we do, and we need to enjoy it ourselves to be able to continue with enthusiasm and creativity. Customers like what they like and I'm still trying to balance what I enjoy creating with making as many sales as I can...not there yet! :)

And I agree, there is no right or wrong amount to upload. Each clip is also an 'free' advert for your store, that's how I see it.

MissAdriana
01-06-2019, 12:28 PM
Oh man, that would be so great. I earned a few hundred extra bucks from that code. If only sites could always pay out 75% I'd be so happy!

I am also really looking forward to the bundles, saves me from having to edit together videos and reupload them! I hope it's a worthy feature.

Wow can't believe I've NEVER thought of editing them together myself even though I've seen other studios do it I guess I assumed it was all new content. A few hundred extra is amazing! The code gave me nothing extra I will have to try promote it out more


I keep feeling like I should do this, because when I get hits from alternate categories from my mobile clips, I feel like they might have bought the HD if they had found it. But I really don't need the extra work of going back and linking. Sigh. Anyone have any thoughts on whether this is worth it? Guys who know our stores can just search for them but....

If you feel like it is that much work then it might not be worth it for you but I always do this whenever I can if I remember. It just saves them the extra work of searching because it's linked right there in plain sight. Worth the time for me.

KiaraK
01-06-2019, 12:43 PM
Don't be. If you look at the top store list on the main page, you will find solo model studios who do it all themselves. It can be done! ;-) But that being said....when you can afford it, upgrading your lighting (not sure what you are using now) is always a great investment and you find find some great kits on Amazon or ebay that will give you plenty of light, decently priced.

As far as updating, do what works for you. It becomes "too much" when you aren't excited to do it anymore and your creativity starts to wane. Don't ever feel like you *have* to update so many times a month. There is no golden rule for that, although many people suggest once a day for visibility/traffic. If you are motivated to shoot/post a lot of clips now, do it! :-)

Right now I’m doing make shift DIY lighting with regular household lamps lol and making use of daylight hours but plan on investing in lighting soon. I cam as well and it’s something I should have already invested in but finances have been tight. And thank you for the encouragement!

KiaraK
01-06-2019, 12:48 PM
The beauty of C4S is that it's open to anyone, the top 50 stores list shows a huge variety of categories, solo performers and studios etc. There doesn't seem to be any overwhelming category that does well above all others.

Also, in terms of the quality of filming and lighting etc, of course good lighting helps without a doubt. However I've seen on MANY occasions the top selling clip on the site to be nothing more than a very large person walking up the stairs and back down again, or something equally simple. Sometimes we can over-complicate what we do, and we need to enjoy it ourselves to be able to continue with enthusiasm and creativity. Customers like what they like and I'm still trying to balance what I enjoy creating with making as many sales as I can...not there yet! :)

And I agree, there is no right or wrong amount to upload. Each clip is also an 'free' advert for your store, that's how I see it.

I actually think this may be one of the better clip sites for me. I know it differs for everyone but I did look at some of the top 50 and it is very diverse. Wish I would’ve taken the leap sooner. Only a few days in and I’m more hopeful than I am about some of the other platforms. I love to see others doing well and looking at top studios, hopefully I will be there one day. Something to work towards.

KiaraK
01-06-2019, 08:46 PM
Y’all I swear I’m not a troll, I know it’s more than likely beginners luck as I mentioned before but my store went live on the 4th. I had sales on the 5th and just checked my email and got more!! I went to look at the top studios in my main fetish and I am in the top 50!!!! I have read and read about c4s forever from all of Sinnas helpful posts to the thread that Larkin started quite awhile ago. I’m sorry for ranting here but I’m on cloud 9 at the moment and even though my family knows what I do, they don’t get the significance. I am so grateful for this online community!!!

fetishqueen
01-07-2019, 01:34 AM
Y’all I swear I’m not a troll, I know it’s more than likely beginners luck as I mentioned before but my store went live on the 4th. I had sales on the 5th and just checked my email and got more!! I went to look at the top studios in my main fetish and I am in the top 50!!!! I have read and read about c4s forever from all of Sinnas helpful posts to the thread that Larkin started quite awhile ago. I’m sorry for ranting here but I’m on cloud 9 at the moment and even though my family knows what I do, they don’t get the significance. I am so grateful for this online community!!!

That's really great! And you are not trolling, that's something else entirely...well done! :)

boyru
01-07-2019, 08:53 AM
why we are not protected from pirates?
i had a massive order and today i have a chargeback for this amount
but this bastrad got all those clips

wtf is going?

AlyssaJ
01-07-2019, 12:48 PM
What is the general consensus on updating? How much is too much? I’ve been shooting multiple clips in multiple categories. I do schedule to update daily with 1 new video but I would like to add more without coming across as being spammy. These aren’t the same clips in different formats, they are all unique.

Congratulations to your spot on the category list! :) It took me a lot longer to see myself on the lists and I remember that awesome feeling.

If you check the dates of the clips on the first page of categories, you'll see that some popular fetishes only has a few days, or even a day, before a clip is out from the main page. Other niche categories can be months or even a year or more. Customers rarely browse through older pages, so it's desirable to always have a clip on that first page. It's awesome to post daily, but vary categories and don't post too often in a category that is slower. It's not bad to do so, but those clips won't get as many sales as if you time them to push you up after a while when you have dropped in the list.
This is very generally speaking of course and things change constantly. Some categories don't have many studios but a high demand, so it will look like the category is slow but in fact clips sell. And the opposite - some categories look so easy or popular to shoot that many studios try them only to discover there aren't enough customers to buy the clips.
If you have lots of time to make clips, go ahead! You can also save up clips and put them on auto-post. That way you can go on vacation or whatever and still post daily :)

KiaraK
01-07-2019, 03:10 PM
Congratulations to your spot on the category list! :) It took me a lot longer to see myself on the lists and I remember that awesome feeling.

If you check the dates of the clips on the first page of categories, you'll see that some popular fetishes only has a few days, or even a day, before a clip is out from the main page. Other niche categories can be months or even a year or more. Customers rarely browse through older pages, so it's desirable to always have a clip on that first page. It's awesome to post daily, but vary categories and don't post too often in a category that is slower. It's not bad to do so, but those clips won't get as many sales as if you time them to push you up after a while when you have dropped in the list.
This is very generally speaking of course and things change constantly. Some categories don't have many studios but a high demand, so it will look like the category is slow but in fact clips sell. And the opposite - some categories look so easy or popular to shoot that many studios try them only to discover there aren't enough customers to buy the clips.
If you have lots of time to make clips, go ahead! You can also save up clips and put them on auto-post. That way you can go on vacation or whatever and still post daily :)

Thank you! That really is great advice. Idk if it is helpful in analyzing but I looked at the top studios in my category to see how often they updated. But, I think it just confused me a little more lol. Some post daily and some do not but I noticed those who don’t post daily have thousands of clips and are also in several different categories so it does not necessarily hurt them as they are more established IMO. I honestly thought it would take months to get there so now I’m just like what do I do? Thus far I have scheduled daily updates in the categories I’m top 50 in and am also trying to create clips in other categories that may be of interest for me. I worry about being unable to remain in the top 50 and sales diminishing as quickly as they started.

justsometwat
01-08-2019, 11:50 AM
New rules for allowed video types and formats


Allowed File Types as of March 01, 2019
In an effort to reduce the amount of obsolete file formats currently on Clips4Sale, management has reviewed the last six (6) months of file formats uploaded to our servers. After reviewing the upload data, we have found that there are many formats, which were previously allowed, that are obsolete with current technology. As of March 01, 2019 the following five (5) video formats and one (1) audio file format will be the only allowed formats uploaded to our servers.

MP4 (recommended video)
WMV (video)
AVI (video)
MOV (video)
MKV (video)
MP3 (audio)
MP4 is the #1 format uploaded by studio owners, as well as the #1 format purchased and downloaded by customers. WMV follows as the 2nd most popular for upload and download, and then AVI, MOV, and MKV round out the top five (5) file types. The only allowed audio format will be MP3 as it's the #1 audio format uploaded and downloaded.

FILE TYPES NO LONGER ALLOWED AS OF MARCH 01, 2019
3g2
3gp
asf
divx
flv
m1v
m2t
m2ts
m2v
m4a
m4v
mpa
mpe
mpeg
mpg
mts
ram
rm
rmvb
rv
swf
ts
wav
xvid
IMPORTANT NOTE: We will not be removing any currently uploaded and activated content in the above noted formats, but as of March 1st you will not be able to upload any of the file types listed and you will not be able to activate them on your store.

STREAMLINING CLIPS4SALE
As Clips4Sale moves into 2019, we are working on not only streamlining the site for both customers and studios, but we also want to make the entire Clips4Sale experience cleaner and easier to use as well. The new search will allow a customer to quickly and easily see all new content on the site with our new search page.

One comment we get from many studio owners is that some studios spam old or duplicate clips and try to do fake updates. That is a very important issue to us as well because it hurts the customer experience. The new search will also allow our Staff to find studios who are spamming the system with multiple format updates. We want to stress the rules again for all studios when it comes to adding clips, you are only allowed two (2) file formats per unique clip. We suggest choosing an HD MP4 as one of them.

BEST UPLOADING PRACTICES & RULES FOR CLIPS4SALE
1. File Format: The maximum allowed is TWO (2) FORMATS per Unique Clip. We strongly recommend that your clip is exported as an MP4 in the highest resolution available to you. The most popular and preferred file format is: MP4

WARNING: Do not spam updates by adding miscellaneous and duplicate clip formats or more than two (2) versions of the same clip to the site.
Studios that abuse clip updates to be featured repeatedly on the "Recently Updated" lists will have their clips deleted from the servers without notice.

In addition, studios who continue to violate this rule will have their stores blocked from being advertised in the Recently Updated lists - stores will no longer appear on the lists once blocked.

2. File Specifications: The following are the stated specifications for all video clips:

• Clip file size must be no greater than 4GB
• Clip file duration must be greater than 2 minutes.
• Clip file size must be greater than 1MB.
• Clip file name may contain only alphanumeric (abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz 0123456789), hyphens, and underscores (e.g., my_vid_1432.mp4)
• Clips file names should NOT have any additional periods (e.g., myvid.1432.mp4)
• Minimum clip dimensions are 320X240

3. Resolution: You should be focused on uploading the highest resolution clips possible, which would be 4K clips, and if you do not yet have the ability to film in 4K then the highest possible resolution should be your sole focus for any editing and updating.

4. Clip Time/Length: Avoid cutting clips 10 minutes or less into smaller parts. Try to have clips which are 10 minutes+ in length as they tend to be the more popular length purchased by customers.

5. Clips Descriptions: Always write a clip description that is at least three (3) full sentences which accurately describes what is happening in the clip. Customer feedback has shown us that they rely on the clip descriptions almost as much as the clip image or clip preview when deciding whether or not to purchase a clip.

6. Custom Keywords: Always list the model's name as one of your custom keywords in your clips. It's the easiest way for a customer to find their favorite model when searching on the site.

Clips4Sale Management
Clips4Sale.com

Julie D
01-08-2019, 12:54 PM
Wait, has the "Only 2 different formats per clip" always been the rule? If people have more than two versions of a clip are y'all going to delete them or just do two versions going forward?

Iris Keenkade
01-08-2019, 01:00 PM
Wait, has the "Only 2 different formats per clip" always been the rule? If people have more than two versions of a clip are y'all going to delete them or just do two versions going forward?

I'm slightly confused - especially this line:


WARNING: Do not spam updates by adding miscellaneous and duplicate clip formats or more than two (2) versions of the same clip to the site.

Does this mean we should only be doing, for example, 1 HD MP4 and 1 HD WMV only? Or can we still do the 1 HD MP4 / 1 HD WMV / 1 SD MP4 / 1 SD WMV for a total of 4 clips. Previously I've done 2 formats, 2 of each for a total of 4 and pushed the SD versions to the back of my clip store. I'd prefer to just do 1 4K, 1 SD, but it's been a bit of an arms race where it feels like everyone is doing 4 uploads per clip, and sometimes splits the clip in half so you effectively have 8 uploads for 1 video.

Iris Keenkade
01-08-2019, 01:01 PM
why we are not protected from pirates?
i had a massive order and today i have a chargeback for this amount
but this bastrad got all those clips

wtf is going?

This happened to me and I had to submit piracy reports over and over again for about 2 months before they seemingly went away. They keep popping back up though :(

Iris Keenkade
01-08-2019, 01:44 PM
Sorry to be so spammy, but I reached out to C4S for clarification and Justin from Customer Support wrote back the following:



Iris,

The new rule is for a maximum of 2 formats per unique clip. We suggest HD mp4 as it is the format that is downloaded the most. While we recommend all HD content now, if you want to do HD and SD and keep mp4 and wmv, you could do HD mp4 and SD wmv. Anything that is in your studio already can remain.


So it looks like 2 clips total. Just a heads up ladies!

fetishqueen
01-08-2019, 02:10 PM
Sorry to be so spammy, but I reached out to C4S for clarification and Justin from Customer Support wrote back the following:



So it looks like 2 clips total. Just a heads up ladies!

I always thought it was 2 in total but someone said otherwise recently, good to have clarification!

Classy_Katy
01-08-2019, 10:55 PM
I always thought it was 2 in total but someone said otherwise recently, good to have clarification!

It used to be 2 formats in 2 sizes, making 4 in total.

I think whoever wrote this notice doesn't know the difference between format and size, and doesn't realise that we were allowed 4 clips.

boyru
01-10-2019, 02:35 PM
i add only ONE compilation for clips since i have started
~30 clips (of 2100 unique) i add in 2 compilations: regular 1920x1080 and "regular+crop" 1920x1080 (2x longer)
20 minutes original clip for $12.99 as example
and 20+20 minutes original+crop clip for $17.99 as example

boyru
01-12-2019, 01:02 AM
my suggestion

it will be fine if we update with 2 compilations per unique clip
1920x1080 or 3840x2160 in mp4. price=A
and
1280x720 or 1600x900 in wmv, price=B
A>1.33*B

Classy_Katy
01-12-2019, 03:49 AM
It's better to have the MP4 as a smaller size so that people can download it to their phones.

bootiebabe
01-12-2019, 04:05 AM
I think that two formats for each clip is all that is needed anyway, this has been the rule for a while now, any of you that are doing more than that are spamming to get in multiple categories which to be fair I know why your doing it to get more exposure but the customer does not like this and really all you end up doing is looking desperate. This should have always been a rule, 2 formats means just that - for example wmv mp4! If your clip is popular it will sell in either format and that's a fact, plus you will get more exposure by only having it in one of these as the more the clip sells the more chance you have to be in the top 50 selling clips

CatBBW
01-12-2019, 03:30 PM
It's better to have the MP4 as a smaller size so that people can download it to their phones.


About sizes.... What sort of size am I supposed to be aiming for per min? And my resolution is usually 854x480, should I be aiming for higher?

(example: my most recent upload was 210 MB for 6 mins at 854x480 res)



This latest announcement has made me realise I could be doing a heck of a lot better in terms of both the above...

Thanks all :)

Classy_Katy
01-13-2019, 11:16 PM
I think that two formats for each clip is all that is needed anyway, this has been the rule for a while now, any of you that are doing more than that are spamming to get in multiple categories which to be fair I know why your doing it to get more exposure but the customer does not like this and really all you end up doing is looking desperate. This should have always been a rule, 2 formats means just that - for example wmv mp4! If your clip is popular it will sell in either format and that's a fact, plus you will get more exposure by only having it in one of these as the more the clip sells the more chance you have to be in the top 50 selling clips

The rule was 4 clips in total - 2 formats and 2 sizes in each format.

It is very easy to find suitable categories for 4 versions of one clip, especially when you have several categories for the same fetish.

This is the previous statement on the subject:

CLARIFICATION
To clarify yesterday's broadcast message regarding clip formats, please note that the message was seen by ALL producers, it was not directed at any individual studios. Broadcast messages are sent to ALL open studios on the Clips4Sale network of sites.
Our intension was not to force any studio owner to use only MP4 or WMV. Our recommendation is to try to only use two (2) formats per unique clip. However, you can do HD and SD versions of each format which would equal four (4) clips, if you feel the need to offer more options. Or if you shoot in MOV, you could do MOV and MP4, in both HD and SD as described above.
What we are trying to avoid are duplicate clips added in obsolete formats for the sole purpose of spamming the main and category list pages.
We are trying to explain the importance of correctly uploading formats which are not only relevant to current technology, but also directed toward the changes we are making behind the scenes at Clips4Sale which will enable customers to get clear and correct results from their searches. Our ultimate goal is to increase your visibility as a studio when a customer searches for the content you produce and allow the customer to get the best results when they visit Clips4Sale.
PLEASE NOTE: You do not need to delete anything currently in your studio. It is not retro-active this is just a recommendation as we move forward.
We know that some studios have been using multiple versions to increase their time on the recently updated lists, we have noticed others do it because they are trying to stretch out their content, and some studios also do multiple formats of the same clip believing that our search tools only use the main CLIP CATEGORY and disregard the RELATED CATEGORIES - which is incorrect.