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Classy_Katy
01-13-2019, 11:26 PM
About sizes.... What sort of size am I supposed to be aiming for per min? And my resolution is usually 854x480, should I be aiming for higher?

(example: my most recent upload was 210 MB for 6 mins at 854x480 res)



This latest announcement has made me realise I could be doing a heck of a lot better in terms of both the above...

Thanks all :)

When I looked into this some while ago, MP4 640x480 was the size for iphone. MP4s can be played anywhere unlike WMVs but some guys do seem to prefer WMV. Some guys also have slow internet, so a smaller size is more useful for them, too. Really, MP4 HD and SD would be best, except for the guys who prefer WMV for some reason.

CatBBW
01-14-2019, 05:29 AM
When I looked into this some while ago, MP4 640x480 was the size for iphone. MP4s can be played anywhere unlike WMVs but some guys do seem to prefer WMV. Some guys also have slow internet, so a smaller size is more useful for them, too. Really, MP4 HD and SD would be best, except for the guys who prefer WMV for some reason.

How about the size of the file itself? Would that make a difference? So instead of 100MB upload is it better to compress to 50MB? Or best to leave it at 100MB (at the 640x480 res)?

fetishqueen
01-14-2019, 06:47 AM
At the risk of stating the obvious, the ideal scenario is the best quality for the smallest file size, whatever format you are using. Now clearly that's counterproductive because generally the better the quality, the higher the file size.

I use Movavi to export my clips and they come out a lot lower in file size than yours has, CatBBW. I don't know what program you use but I've found it to be great for saving at a useable file size but a decent resolution. Unless you go mad with 4k or something but you will get a vast improvement with Movavi. It's quite fast too. Not free, I think about £60 for the year but so worth it. For example, I'd get a 1280 x 720 6 minute clip the same file size as you have for your SD clip, so you could upgrade the resolution or stay SD and get a lower file size.

I'll stop stating the obvious now! Technical stuff is really not my thing at all so I have to keep it simple for myself!

justsometwat
01-14-2019, 06:48 AM
As long as the video type is supported on your device or will scale properly, 640x480 is way too small. What I saw when I looked at this was:


The currently biggest iPhone is the iPhone 7 plus. It has a 5.5-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit widescreen.

In landscape mode it has a 1920-by-1080-pixel resolution at 401 ppi.
In portrait mode it has a 1080-by-1920-pixel resolution at 401 ppi.
Which is the equivalent of a full HD movie.

Devices will scale videos down to fit properly.

All phones should be able to view mp4 now so I wouldn't go any smaller than 1080 but if you're looking to reduce file size maybe 720. There's a lot of factors that go into file size though, like bitrate, framerate, audio quality, video length, resolution, etc.

I'd go for the highest resolution possible at the smallest file size you can. I tested this out when I switched to a higher reduction but converting many, many times keeping the framerate at 30 fps and by changing the bitrate, lowering it until the file was smaller but it didn't lose noticeable video quality.

Experimenting with converting the video with different settings is the best option, just make sure you keep track of what is what so you can have regular settings when you convert videos again.

Sure people have slow Internet, watch on their phones, or don't want hundreds of gigs of videos so smaller files are better but you're also limiting yourself by making the video's resolution really small, the quality not so great, whatever because most people want decent quality videos.

justsometwat
01-14-2019, 06:51 AM
"any video converter" is free and allows you to add watermarks when you convert. I film my videos via webcam, edit in windows movie maker (had to make custom settings by editing a settings file), and convert/add watermark in AVC. I tweaked file quality, framerate, bitrate, and audio quality until everything looked and sounded great and wasn't a huge file.

CatBBW
01-14-2019, 08:02 AM
Thanks all for the advice. Now, I'm wondering: would it be worth it to go back through my clips and update each with a revised/smaller filesize clip? Or just go forward with the changes and hope the larger/older clipsizes sell?

fetishqueen
01-14-2019, 11:48 AM
Thanks all for the advice. Now, I'm wondering: would it be worth it to go back through my clips and update each with a revised/smaller filesize clip? Or just go forward with the changes and hope the larger/older clipsizes sell?

When I started I used a rubbish program for clip exporting, painfully slow and so all my clips were in SD as I didn't have the patience for anything else! In hindsight I'd love them to be better quality but I don't have the patience or time to go back. We learn things over time and I would say that in an ideal world and you are patient and perhaps don't have lots of clips then yes go back and change them. But in reality you might have a large back catalogue and it's not realistic. I think, just my opinion, that maybe time is better spent moving forward and improving as you go along. Otherwise you may go mad!

CatBBW
01-14-2019, 12:49 PM
When I started I used a rubbish program for clip exporting, painfully slow and so all my clips were in SD as I didn't have the patience for anything else! In hindsight I'd love them to be better quality but I don't have the patience or time to go back. We learn things over time and I would say that in an ideal world and you are patient and perhaps don't have lots of clips then yes go back and change them. But in reality you might have a large back catalogue and it's not realistic. I think, just my opinion, that maybe time is better spent moving forward and improving as you go along. Otherwise you may go mad!

Thank you! Makes sense! I think what I will do is move forward with the new stuff and only go back to update if it turns out my smaller filesized clips are selling better - which of course might just be coincidence or a fluke, but we'll see :)

fetishqueen
01-14-2019, 01:11 PM
There are so many variables, that's the trouble.

Of course, if your new smaller file size clips sell better, it's only useful information if you sell consistently in the same category and similar kinds of clips. And could they be selling better because you are more established, providing better quality clips, or because you know what people buy and target more towards them? So many reasons. Personally I think moving forward and putting my time into new clips, trying to improve as I go along is easier for me. Maybe upgrading previous clips would help too. But which ones to do! The better selling ones sold anyway so why mess with them, and did the not so good selling ones just not sell because they were not that great?

I guess unless you have very few clips already then it's impossible to go backwards. Keep learning and move forward. But I have zero patience and prefer to do new things rather than redo old stuff... I get bored very easily!

Iris Keenkade
01-14-2019, 02:30 PM
FAQ About the New Clip Posting Rules
Why have the clip posting rules been changed?

The clip posting rules have been change to address one common complaint by our customers and that is - duplicate clip spamming.

Customers give us feedback every day on the site via a survey on every clip order receipt, and the main comment they have made is that they do not want to see the same clip over and over again, with the same clip image and the same clip description. They lose interest in the clips and the entire purchasing process. In addition, customers could potentially leave your store and buy from someone else that is not adding so many versions of the same clip, so you could be losing money as well.

By implementing the new clip posting rules and by giving customers the new advanced clip search, they will now be able to find what they want and see a variety of clips from multiple studios which they may not have seen otherwise.
When will the new clip posting rules go into effect?

The new rules for clip posting will go into effect at 12:00AM EST (midnight) on March 1st, 2019.
What are the new clip posting rules?

As of March 01, 2019 studios will only be allowed to post a maximum of two (2) versions of the same unique clip.

You can post an HD versions and SD version - HD MP4 and SD MP4

- or -

You can post two HD versions - HD MP4 and HD WMV

Remember, you can only post two (2) versions per unique clip. We recommend that you choose either HD/SD or HD/HD for your updates.
How many brand new clips can I post each day?

You can post as many brand new, never before posted clips as you like to your store. The new post rules only effect the number of duplicate clips that can be posted.
Remember:

Avoid cutting clips 10 minutes or less into smaller parts. Try to have clips which are 10 minutes+ in length as they tend to be the more popular length purchased by customers. We do consider any clip cut into multiple 2 minute segments spamming, and your store will be flagged for this behavior.
What is a duplicate clip?

A duplicate clip is any copy of the original (unique) clip that is made which alters the file size, file type (format) or file resolution. You are limited to posting only two (2) versions of the same clip as of March 01, 2019.
Example:

mynewclip001_HD.mp4 - this is the original (unique) clip posted in high definition which counts as one version.

mynewclip001_SD.mp4 - this is a copy of the original clip where the resolution has been altered to standard definition and counts as the second version of the same clip.

In this example, no more copies of this clip would be allowed on your store after the HD and SD clips have been posted.
Will the new clip posting rules be retro-active?

No, any clip content currently on the site as of March 1st will remain untouched. The new clip posting rules are not retro-active.

However, if a studio has been flagged for spamming updates prior to March 1st, staff will continue to contact studios to remove any clips which were posted in violation posting rules or have been deemed as clip spam.
What about re-posting old, previously posted clips?

Clip posting rules have always stated that clips can not be removed and re-posted.

All content posted to the site must be new, never before posted clips.

Studios are not allowed to scam the system - meaning we do not allow studios to repost old clip content in an attempt to have a clip featured more than once in the "Recently Updated" lists.
What is the most popular clip format and specs?

MP4

H.264 Video Codec

AAC-LC Audio Codec

16.9 Aspect Ratio (horizontal)
What are the most popular clip resolutions?

HD 1080p (1920x1080) @30fps

Video Bitrate Range: 3,000 - 6,000 Kbps

4K 2160p (3840x2160) @30fps

Video Bitrate Range: 13,000 - 34,000 Kbps

How do I know the correct resolution for my clip?

Industry standard states that it's the height of the video which determines the resolution.

For example, if your clip is 640x360 then it is a 360p video. If your clip is 1920x1080 then it is 1080p video and so on.
The height is more important than width, because you may have 3:4 or 16:9 aspect ratio which could give you different widths for the same height. So the industry standard is to name the resolution by height of video stream and not the width. See other examples in the popular clip resolutions noted above.
What size clip should I consider an SD clip?

480p (854x480 = 16:9 aspect ratio) would be considered a standard definition clip.

Video Bitrate Range: 500 - 2,000 Kbps

If you choose to post in SD, this would be the option we recommend.


Pretty much as we discussed, just now in black and white.

PixiieGirl
01-14-2019, 02:36 PM
Pretty much as we discussed, just now in black and white.

thats really interesting, my HD clips are only 1280x720, maybe once I get back into clips I'll try the res they suggest as the most popular

Felicia[FightServ]
01-14-2019, 05:37 PM
The new search is here. https://search.clips4sale.com/clips

Searching for a term (Boxing), all of TWO clips on the first page that show up have anything to do with the term I input, using defaults.
Neither the term, nor a fuzzy match for the term are in the description, source, or category for the MAJORITY of the results.

The search result item also only has one TINY link to a person's store.

What kind of results are you seeing?

(Edit: Guess tweaks are being done as complaints are coming in, now it's 4 out of 24 are actually relevant :D )

Iris Keenkade
01-14-2019, 05:44 PM
The new search is here. https://search.clips4sale.com/clips

Searching for a term (Boxing), all of TWO clips on the first page that show up have anything to do with the term I input, using defaults.
Neither the term, nor a fuzzy match for the term are in the description, source, or category for the MAJORITY of the results.

The search result item also only has one TINY link to a person's store.

What kind of results are you seeing?

Searching my name yields results (yay). Searching for other tags I use is mixed results, sometimes wildly off. It seems to be grabbing words from not just tags, but descriptions as well.

fetishqueen
01-15-2019, 03:10 AM
The new search SEEMS to be working correctly for me, when I search my store name. However, from the search results page and also when I click on one of my clips, I cannot find anyway to go to my store? It won't send me there, only back to the same search page. That's fine I guess as long as it works properly but I'd like people to be able to go to my store if they want to! Am I missing something?

Felicia[FightServ]
01-15-2019, 04:20 AM
The new search SEEMS to be working correctly for me, when I search my store name. However, from the search results page and also when I click on one of my clips, I cannot find anyway to go to my store? It won't send me there, only back to the same search page. That's fine I guess as long as it works properly but I'd like people to be able to go to my store if they want to! Am I missing something?

Under the price and format boxes, there's one line that says Studio: It has your store number/name and a link to it. That's the only link to our stores.
(I'm looking on desktop, it may be different on mobile).

fetishqueen
01-15-2019, 04:36 AM
Under the price and format boxes, there's one line that says Studio: It has your store number/name and a link to it. That's the only link to our stores.
(I'm looking on desktop, it may be different on mobile).

I still can't see it, where do you mean please Felicia? I'm on desktop too. I can't find any link that goes to our actual store, it all comes back to the new search layout.

(Which I might add I don't actually mind as long as it's working correctly, just be nice to still allow them to go directly to my store too!)

Felicia[FightServ]
01-15-2019, 06:33 AM
I still can't see it, where do you mean please Felicia? I'm on desktop too. I can't find any link that goes to our actual store, it all comes back to the new search layout.

(Which I might add I don't actually mind as long as it's working correctly, just be nice to still allow them to go directly to my store too!)

You are right! When I first checked it out, I could have sworn that studio link went back to the clip owner's store. Now it just loads the store's clips in the search area.

I'm not sure I like that. :(

fetishqueen
01-15-2019, 07:00 AM
I thought I was going mad! Could be worth contacting them to see if they'll be adding a link somewhere to go to our stores. Having said that it's still a work in progress.

They also need telling that on the tab at the top of the screen it says 'Amature Porn' instead of 'Amateur Porn'!

justsometwat
01-15-2019, 09:22 AM
That seems like something that is broken, there's no real reason why it would just return you to the advanced search. I hope they do fix that though.

You can also see why they don't want you to have so many file formats, one of the searches I did brought up a whole page of one store's couple videos, but because they had so many formats it was the same two videos filling up the entire page - all of different formats.

fetishqueen
01-15-2019, 11:18 AM
That seems like something that is broken, there's no real reason why it would just return you to the advanced search. I hope they do fix that though.

You can also see why they don't want you to have so many file formats, one of the searches I did brought up a whole page of one store's couple videos, but because they had so many formats it was the same two videos filling up the entire page - all of different formats.

As a customer it must look a bit rubbish and be annoying to search through. It is also spamming for visibility and giving an advantage to those doing it. And surely for most clips, there can't be more than two correct categories? Some are very specific. The mind boggles! I'm all for limiting the number to two. Two gives you the chance to hit two (related) categories and also two formats or resolutions.

BBHMM
01-15-2019, 11:43 AM
I'm glad I checked in here before I started to revamp my entire clip store!

I totally screwed up my SD versions of my clips and they rarely sell, compared to the HD versions, and I had been planning to re-release a number of clips in updated file types. The new rules would define that as spamming the system, so I got worried. I called customer support, and the guy told me that I could go ahead and re-release the new resolution files before the beginning of March, because it's not a rule violation until then. I also had him put a note on my account that says I'm updating my files and I asked beforehand and got the go-ahead.

If you need to re-do anything, get on it!!

Iris Keenkade
01-15-2019, 12:20 PM
Because of the new search system, I pulled all of my WMV content. It still is on the C4S servers so customers *CAN* download past purchases, but no longer showing up in my store or searches. This has helped searches for my store look way less spammy, and helped overall my page a bit better too. It's a drastic move, but when I looked at my sales data, it was almost all MP4.

AlyssaJ
01-15-2019, 01:32 PM
I tested the new search and it works well when I used very specific words or terms. Even my studio name turned up perfectly - finally! I have told support before that my studio wasn't searchable by it's name, only number (and who remembers that) and only got a bs reply.

AlyssaJ
01-15-2019, 01:49 PM
About the two formats: I don't get what's new? Hasn't the rule been for years that we are allowed two formats, but in two sizes= four versions in total. Or am I missing something? I know many studios post several formats, but I see studios breaking all kinds of rules all the time. Now we are suddenly allowed spamming formats until March?

Personally, I do HDMP4 and a HDWMV only. Except for when I've done bundles, the wmv gets so large in file size so I've done one MP4HD and one SDwmv. But my WMV:s, regardless of resolution, rarely sell. So my recent clip, which is a one hour bundle is in MP4HD and MP4SD. And weirdly, the SD has sold even better than than the HD. This might be a fluke, but I'll try with regular clips and if the MP4SD versions sell more than HDWMV:s, I'll ditch the WMV:s from now on.

I'm also questioning the "go 4K" message. First of all, this means upgrading to expensive equipment for most studios, as the quality would be really bad upscaling to a higher resolution than it was shot in. It would also mean processing a LOT more bits on all ends, and C4S isn't exactly the most glitch free site... While I totally agree on MP4 being most popular, resolutions vary wildly in top50. In the future 4K will certainly be the normal resolution and today's HD will be considered low, but we are not there yet.

Iris Keenkade
01-15-2019, 01:52 PM
About the two formats: I don't get what's new? Hasn't the rule been for years that we are allowed two formats, but in two sizes= four versions in total. Or am I missing something? I know many studios post several formats, but I see studios breaking all kinds of rules all the time. Now we are suddenly allowed spamming formats until March?

Personally, I keep to an HDMP4 and an HDWMV only. Except for when I've done bundles, the wmv gets so large in file size so I've done one MP4HD and one SDwmv. But my WMV:s, regardless of resolution, rarely sell. So my recent clip, which is a one hour bundle is in MP4HD and MP4SD. And weirdly, the SD has sold even better than than the HD. This might just be a coincidence though, but I'll try with regular clips and if the MP4SD versions sell more than HDWMV:s, I'll ditch the WMV:s from now on.

I'm also questioning the "go 4K message". First of all, this means upgrading equipment for most studios, as the quality would be really bad upscaling to a higher resolution than it was shot in. It would also mean processing a LOT more bits on all ends, and C4S isn't exactly the most glitch free site... While I totally agree on MP4 being most popular, resolutions vary wildly in top50. In the future 4K will certainly be the normal resolution and today's HD will be considered low, but we are not there yet.

The new rule is that you can only have 2 versions total, down from 4.

I have put out a few 4K clips, and they have sold well, but I don't think they are selling anymore than the HD versions and they take much longer to export and are twice as big for uploading/downloading. I think, personally, I'm going to stick with HD/SD MP4 for now.

boyru
01-15-2019, 01:58 PM
Are they planning to remove stores with clips only in low resolution 1280*720 and lower?
I am able to film UHD, but i don't have $3800 to upgrade home storage for the UHD sources.

AlyssaJ
01-15-2019, 02:02 PM
Are they planning to remove stores with clips only in low resolution 1280*720 and lower?
I am able to film UHD, but i don't have $3800 to upgrade home storage for the UHD sources.

No they won't remove old content.

AlyssaJ
01-15-2019, 02:07 PM
The new rule is that you can only have 2 versions total, down from 4.


The first message didn't mention resolutions, only formats. But then there was this:

CLARIFICATION
To clarify yesterday's broadcast message regarding clip formats, please note that the message was seen by ALL producers, it was not directed at any individual studios. Broadcast messages are sent to ALL open studios on the Clips4Sale network of sites.
Our intension was not to force any studio owner to use only MP4 or WMV. Our recommendation is to try to only use two (2) formats per unique clip. However, you can do HD and SD versions of each format which would equal four (4) clips, if you feel the need to offer more options. Or if you shoot in MOV, you could do MOV and MP4, in both HD and SD as described above.
What we are trying to avoid are duplicate clips added in obsolete formats for the sole purpose of spamming the main and category list pages.

AlyssaJ
01-15-2019, 02:12 PM
I take it as they are only reminding about the formats since so many break that rule. But often it seems that the more info C4S gives, the bigger the confusion.

And the phrasing "Our RECOMMENDATION is to TRY to only use two formats" now make it seem it's not a rule at all. So nothing will change...

boyru
01-15-2019, 02:16 PM
No they won't remove old content.

Could they remove stores which will update only in 1280*720?

AlyssaJ
01-15-2019, 02:22 PM
Could they remove stores which will update only in 1280*720?

No. They just recommend higher resolutions now.

Iris Keenkade
01-15-2019, 02:27 PM
OMG that's so confusing. I actually did a support ticket two days ago or so when all of this started and was specifically told only 2 files total per video, regardless of format. UGH. I think I'm just going to stick with that, for my sanity.

AlyssaJ
01-15-2019, 02:28 PM
Aaaand I hadn't seen the latest message:

...
What are the new clip posting rules?

As of March 01, 2019 studios will only be allowed to post a maximum of two (2) versions of the same unique clip.

You can post an HD versions and SD version - HD MP4 and SD MP4

- or -

You can post two HD versions - HD MP4 and HD WMV

Remember, you can only post two (2) versions per unique clip. We recommend that you choose either HD/SD or HD/HD for your updates.

....

What is a duplicate clip?

A duplicate clip is any copy of the original (unique) clip that is made which alters the file size, file type (format) or file resolution. You are limited to posting only two (2) versions of the same clip as of March 01, 2019.

Example:

mynewclip001_HD.mp4 - this is the original (unique) clip posted in high definition which counts as one version.

mynewclip001_SD.mp4 - this is a copy of the original clip where the resolution has been altered to standard definition and counts as the second version of the same clip.

In this example, no more copies of this clip would be allowed on your store after the HD and SD clips have been posted.
...

So, that's clear now, only two in total and the two ways recommended is exactly how I do it already.
I take it the "try to only use two formats" message means up until March 1st. Which still is weird since it was always two formats.

fetishqueen
01-15-2019, 02:28 PM
The latest (lengthy!) message I've seen from yesterday went into a lot of detail and stated a maximum of 2 of each clip from 1st March, not 4.

AlyssaJ
01-15-2019, 02:31 PM
OMG that's so confusing. I actually did a support ticket two days ago or so when all of this started and was specifically told only 2 files total per video, regardless of format. UGH. I think I'm just going to stick with that, for my sanity.


Sorry, lol. I hadn't logged in for a while. But yes, they do make things very confusing sometimes. I hardly use support anymore since I got so many contradicting replies to my questions.

Iris Keenkade
01-15-2019, 02:33 PM
Sorry, lol. I hadn't logged in for a while. But yes, they do make things very confusing sometimes. I hardly use support anymore since I got so many contradicting replies to my questions.

Yea I love C4S, but sometimes the messages can get a little mixed. <3

sexysusie
01-15-2019, 04:24 PM
Some fuckwith bought 4 of my clips at once and now i see in my emails they have been refunded????? a) wtf? and b) how do i ban this ip so they can't steal from me again? ty

fetishqueen
01-15-2019, 04:31 PM
Some fuckwith bought 4 of my clips at once and now i see in my emails they have been refunded????? a) wtf? and b) how do i ban this ip so they can't steal from me again? ty

I had this happen with 5 clips on Christmas Day, really pissed me off. I contacted C4S and they said it was a scammer and they had been blocked anyway. I'd contact them directly Susie.

Iris Keenkade
01-15-2019, 04:34 PM
Some fuckwith bought 4 of my clips at once and now i see in my emails they have been refunded????? a) wtf? and b) how do i ban this ip so they can't steal from me again? ty

Start checking google for these clips in a couple of days, there's a decent chance they will start popping up :(

sexysusie
01-15-2019, 04:39 PM
Thanks ladies. On the live chat with them now. They say they have blocked the IP but it was a stolen card so not much they can do re the refund. I will check sites for them and hope for the best.

A question for those of you who do hypnosis - how do you get around this now as c4s don't allow the word hypnosis/ hypno etc? Do you put everything into mesmerize?

Felicia[FightServ]
01-15-2019, 06:07 PM
C4S should go the Kinkbomb route where multiple formats are sub-sections of the video entry. They don't need to do conversions on their servers, just allow us to upload the files attached to the main title. This would clean up the search results, store listings, and make customers who might want SD and/or WMV versions happy. We still get asked for WMV and we still get asked for SD by people who have older systems.

gril
01-16-2019, 03:47 AM
C4S should go the Kinkbomb route where multiple formats are sub-sections of the video entry. They don't need to do conversions on their servers, just allow us to upload the files attached to the main title. This would clean up the search results, store listings, and make customers who might want SD and/or WMV versions happy. We still get asked for WMV and we still get asked for SD by people who have older systems.

+1, that's a great idea

bootiebabe
01-16-2019, 06:27 AM
………….,,....

boyru
01-16-2019, 06:40 AM
Start checking google for these clips in a couple of days, there's a decent chance they will start popping up :(

it is not possible - to find shared clips on web
they can rename them to abstract name and remove indexing of search engines

naomi_doll
01-16-2019, 07:39 AM
A question for those of you who do hypnosis - how do you get around this now as c4s don't allow the word hypnosis/ hypno etc? Do you put everything into mesmerize?

Yes, I just do mesmerize or mind fuck.

SuperPookie
01-16-2019, 01:01 PM
it is not possible - to find shared clips on web
they can rename them to abstract name and remove indexing of search engines

I've had some luck by searching my cam name + fetish. I've found quite a few of mine that way even though the name of the clip is different or simply not named at all

lilly90xxx
01-16-2019, 01:09 PM
What is worrying me right now is, that I was really happy when they announced geo-blocking. I started using it right away for my country. When a customer saw my name in a list of a category, or main page after clicking it it was redirecting him to main clips4sale page. He did't have the chance to see my store, my gifs etc ( which was great for me because that was what I wanted, to prevent customers from my country from seeing my gifs and previews). Now with new search tool, customer can easily see all of my gifs, previews and as a consequence buy my clip. Of course, there were always some people from my country buying- because some of them were smart enough to think what can be wrong. But I felt more protected anyway. I am thinking if c4s people will do something about that...

boyru
01-16-2019, 01:44 PM
c4s pages don't work correctly
can it be a reason of zero sales during last 4 days?

fetishqueen
01-16-2019, 02:02 PM
For some reason the clip number is showing in the top right corner in a tiny blue box, not sure if it was like that before?

Tea4Me
01-17-2019, 09:50 AM
For some reason the clip number is showing in the top right corner in a tiny blue box, not sure if it was like that before?

No. And it looks odd now.