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Miss_Bohemian
06-08-2019, 11:59 AM
Hello girls. First of all I want to thank every one of you for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I red this thread to the 258th page, and I plan to continue, it's really helpful.
I know that this was mentioned in later posts, I'm just not able to find, so if someone would like to help me, I'll be very grateful. Which FTP program should I use and how?
I'm currently working with friend on her store but I'm opening my own, and I figured out that I really needs this.
Kind regards��

I use Filezilla (Client) it's 100% free and easy - https://filezilla-project.org/ but I use it for other sites, on C4S I use their site uploader.

Nastyaa
06-08-2019, 12:09 PM
Thank you for answer. What should I write in section Host? And what's Port?
Username and password from store or? I just don't understand

PixiieGirl
06-08-2019, 12:10 PM
I don’t think we have access to FTP on C4S do we?

Nastyaa
06-08-2019, 12:21 PM
I could swear I saw few posts here, but maybe that was from few years ago, I haven't thought about that :D

PixiieGirl
06-08-2019, 12:50 PM
I could swear I saw few posts here, but maybe that was from few years ago, I haven't thought about that :D

I used it once but that was to download all my videos when my laptop broke - they don’t let you use it to upload I don’t think

Nastyaa
06-08-2019, 04:01 PM
Thank you for reply, it made me search and I found option for uploading more clips at once :) it was in front of my nose literally and I haven't seen it..

Julie D
06-18-2019, 06:39 PM
I think I probably have a clip posted on a forum?? I had a spike in hits today and discovered I had a bunch that came from a fetish forum. Interestingly, it is dedicated to a fetish I do not do. There seems to be an adjacent fetish that is not the main one there that I guess some of my clips would fit into. To gain full access you have to register then post a few times in discussions, then wait a few days, then ask permission to have full access. There is a caveat that if you're a producer to contact an admin and you'll instantly be granted access. Of course I do realize that if they are pirating clips they'll be like lol BANNED NO ACCESS. In fact, they seem so secure that it wouldn't surprise me to know they IP ban. It's not a huge forum, stats say under 1500 ACTIVE members.

So what would y'all do? 1: Go undercover and pretend your a guy who's into it 2: go thru the steps while being honest that...you're a woman who i guess is into the adjacent fetish, or 3: contact an admin and say, I see I have fans from here and would like to interact with them? Or I guess 4 would be not to sweat a small forum like that.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts/suggestions!

Edited for spelling and small clarification

Tea4Me
06-18-2019, 10:23 PM
I think I probably have a clip posted on a forum?? I had a spike in hits today and discovered I had a bunch that came from a fetish forum. Interestingly, it is dedicated to a fetish I do not do. There seems to be an adjacent fetish that is not the main one there that I guess some of my clips would fit into. To gain full access you have to register then post a few times in discussions, then wait a few days, then ask permission to have full access. There is a caveat that if you're a producer to contact an admin and you'll instantly be granted access. Of course I do realize that if they are pirating clips they'll be like lol BANNED NO ACCESS. In fact, they seem so secure that it wouldn't surprise me to know they IP ban. It's not a huge forum, stats say under 1500 ACTIVE members.

So what would y'all do? 1: Go undercover and pretend your a guy who's into it 2: go thru the steps while being honest that...you're a woman who i guess is into the adjacent fetish, or 3: contact an admin and say, I see I have fans from here and would like to interact with them? Or I guess 4 would be not to sweat a small forum like that.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts/suggestions!

Edited for spelling and small clarification

#4. Because I could take that time and energy and put it into making new clips and making more $$$. :-)

It sucks, I know. But I also like to believe there are a lot of paying customers that don't visits forums like that and/or don't even know about them. AND/or also like to support their favorite Domme/model/clip producer by paying for their porn.

Classy_Katy
06-18-2019, 10:33 PM
I get hits from fetish sites where they have shared a link to my clip but not the clip itself...I joined one of the sites as myself and joined in discussions - not to sell to them, which goes down very badly but it does have the effect of raising your profile.

Julie D
06-19-2019, 08:03 AM
Thanks for the advice! I admit I'm more curious than worried because it's dedicated to a fetish that I've never even remotely done. I did see hits on an OLD clip that would tie in to the other fetish I saw mentioned there. Even that is just a small incidental thing in a few clips. Part of me is just super curious to know what was posted but my time is very precious right now so whatever. Who knows, maybe someone from there will buy a clip eventually Haha.
Thanks again ladies!

HaydenBlue
06-19-2019, 02:43 PM
Yes, what Classy_Katy said.

I signed up to a few niche forums under my model name, with links in my signature to my sites and just interact with the members and talk about the fetish. Don't go to them just to promote (unless they have a subforum specifically just for that) but you're going to get more traction interacting vs selling. I've had dozens of guys from the forums on I'm tell me they've joined my sites, bought my clips - they do pay. And I've found with most forums the community is very kind, with a few exceptions.

Felicia[FightServ]
06-22-2019, 04:37 PM
Is there an official way to embed a tribute/donations button widget on our external sites?
It looks like it'd be easy enough to build a form with links, but an officially supported way is less likely to break.

EDIT: Just found it. It's on the admin home page under the widget generator.

Mercymcmxci
06-25-2019, 12:41 PM
Hi all, question for my c4s girls. I've begun creating content for the platform with the aid of my boyfriend, mainly face sitting, tickling, generally pretty tame stuff, with the aim of having my 10 clips ready to upload by July 1. I'm curious, how many of y'all with a similar focus (or not) are filming with just one extra pair of hands?

I've been browsing the site for inspo and have noticed a lot of stores produce videos with multiple models. While I have my fair share of open minded friends, my clip store is an undertaking I only really discuss with my dude and one close friend who's helping me film.


Secondary question: For those of you making content utilizing multiple models, how have you found them?

Julie D
06-25-2019, 02:01 PM
I don't work in your categories but I do work with one model (and do solos). I have a few older clips with models who had a passing interest. I honestly don't think having just one affects me.* Guys mentally insert themselves into the male performer role no matter who it is.
As to how to find performers lol if you figure it out tell me. I knew my guy from before c4s because he was into the fetish I work in. We met via craigslist (don't judge!) We do have sex etc for clips so I think you might have an easier time finding someone? In my experience, many guys fantasize about being a performer but just want to talk about it and waste my time. Or they're not, uh, appropriately endowed. Or they get camera shy. As to adding a female performer I've found that even more impossible so far.
* If I added another male performer I could shoot more non-solo clips. We live a good distance apart and only shoot about once a month. Bless him, I get 3-4 clips out of him in a session tho haha.

Tea4Me
06-25-2019, 04:05 PM
I've been browsing the site for inspo and have noticed a lot of stores produce videos with multiple models. While I have my fair share of open minded friends, my clip store is an undertaking I only really discuss with my dude and one close friend who's helping me film.

It's not necessary. I mean unless you *want* to go that route, but it's not necessary for financial success.

Classy_Katy
06-25-2019, 09:52 PM
Many models work alone. I've filmed with my partner a few times but I wouldn't want to film with anyone else.

MxtressValleycat
06-27-2019, 07:19 AM
I was part of my local fetish scene for three years before I opened my clip store, so a couple of the other people in my clips are open minded friends, but also I network a lot. I talk to other performers on Twitter, and quite often do content share (ie: we get together and make a bunch of clips and take half each) with people I've been chatting too. It's cool because clips, but also I've made some pretty good industry friends this way.

fetishqueen
07-03-2019, 03:29 PM
I'm feeling a bit lost with my clips right now. I've been on C4S about 2 years and even though I spend most of my time now making clips in categories I've had the best continual sales in, I never seem to increase my overall earnings. My sales per clip in my main category were higher when I made them once a week than they are now. But the other clips I made never sold as well at all. So main category sales are up now, but as my categories are more limited, sales of other clips are down, understandably I guess.

What I find really tough is the balance between uploading enough content, and also making it GOOD content. I don't think I have time to make more of what I do now and I do this full time.

I see so much about updating as much as you can, and in the past I have updated more than I do now. But I feel that when I did that, I was spreading myself too thin if that makes sense, perhaps making content in categories that rarely sold just to get exposure. Now I make less clips, but they are in the categories I generally do well in but earnings never seem to increase at all.

I feel like I'm completely missing something and I have no idea what it is!! No idea if that makes much sense!

I don't expect to get it right without a lot of trial and error. I just feel I am never really getting it right though and it's frustrating.

lilly90xxx
07-03-2019, 04:45 PM
Well...after 3 years I feel a little bit lost too ;) And I don't know how relevant it will be, but I also need to share my frustration.
I noticed that it doesn't matter if I make more clips (like uploading 2 times a day instead once a day or one clip every two days) I just can't exceed a certain amount of money. Like...my payouts are quite steady and I just can't earn more. Not that I am complaining, since the money I make in my country is a quite good income (I make more than my friends working 8 hours a day in some ordinary job) but still I am not making great, definitely can't afford some lavish lifestyle, that I was expecting when I was young and dumb. Like, when I was starting I thought since I will join the fetish industry, I will make at least 2000$ a month. Well...that didn't happen :D And I know I know...you need to work hard blah,blah,blah...But for me making more clips changes nothing. After 3 years I know what sells for me, my clip quality is quite good, I have some loyal fans...I know that I am doing everything just right. My descriptions are on point (always loved to write), my gifs are nice since I make them myself. But...still not sleeping on money ;D
While I have one friend also on c4s who as a matter of fact uploads twice a day, but like she says for her is quantity, not quality, so she uses a c4s gif generator ( and she even don't pick her images there, just leaves it for the site to do their work, which sometimes makes her gifs starting at some blurry image, weird face etc) her clips are not something spectacular, rather very simple ( not some domme, kinky fetish stuff rather a teeth brushing, high heels clips etc) and she makes a loooot more than me. And I adore that girl, so it's not that I am jealous but more...WTF? We talked about that couple of times and she also doesn't get that :P
And that month? I earned so far 5 dollars, after uploading twice a day when at 1st I saw that money is not coming:D 5 dollars. I am frustrated and nervous since I am always nervous when a month starts at a crappy point.
I am aware that I will not make some crazy money because there are girls that work their butt off, girls that are just glamorous, there is a lot of competition. But it makes me frustrated since, when you are in porn/fetish industry it's obvious that you expect to earn way more than in ordinary job...since that kind of job isn't always fun- sometime's it makes you kind of lonely, sometimes it makes you scared that your family find out (thankfully I have a very open-minded family and all of the people I care about know what I am doing), I hope you get what I am saying.

moneygoddess
07-07-2019, 01:48 PM
I'm assuming/hoping payments are later than normal this month because of the holiday and it isn't some kind of a snafu with my bank account? :)

justsometwat
07-08-2019, 08:39 AM
I got my ACH on the 3rd and I am in the US.

Tea4Me
07-08-2019, 08:49 AM
I'm assuming/hoping payments are later than normal this month because of the holiday and it isn't some kind of a snafu with my bank account? :)

I got my check on Saturday (6th) and I'm also in the states.

moneygoddess
07-08-2019, 11:31 AM
Ouch. I'll do some research. Thanks for the responses. <3

fetishqueen
07-08-2019, 01:52 PM
Ladies & gents! I'm thinking of adding a new format to my uploads, I have religiously been offering MP4 and WMV and I don't intend to change that, but I want to add a new one. I've looked through the top stores to see if any other formats stand out as 'popular' or anything and I don't know, I've seen lots!

I see clips offered in AVI, MOV, MKV and others too. Could any of you recommend which I should go for please?

Also would you say that offering a small version say 320 x 240 would be worth it? Do these sell or is it better to go for HD?

Or even adding another MP4 in a very small format for mobile viewers?

Any input from your experience would be great thanks! :)

Classy_Katy
07-08-2019, 10:37 PM
Ladies & gents! I'm thinking of adding a new format to my uploads, I have religiously been offering MP4 and WMV and I don't intend to change that, but I want to add a new one. I've looked through the top stores to see if any other formats stand out as 'popular' or anything and I don't know, I've seen lots!

I see clips offered in AVI, MOV, MKV and others too. Could any of you recommend which I should go for please?

Also would you say that offering a small version say 320 x 240 would be worth it? Do these sell or is it better to go for HD?

Or even adding another MP4 in a very small format for mobile viewers?

Any input from your experience would be great thanks! :)



I used to upload small versions but I don't think they have much appeal. I feel guilty now when mine sell because the quality is so much poorer and they may not have realised that I have a larger resolution available, eventhough I link them.

You can use those file formats but MP4 is universal and it's better to provide videos that anyone can download and watch.

This is what C4S recommends:

HD MP4 (Original Unique Clip)
SD MP4 (Original Clip in an Alternate Resolution)
HD WMV (Original Clip in an Alternate Format)
SD WMV (Original Clip in an Alternate Format and Resolution)

fetishqueen
07-09-2019, 01:38 AM
I used to upload small versions but I don't think they have much appeal. I feel guilty now when mine sell because the quality is so much poorer and they may not have realised that I have a larger resolution available, eventhough I link them.

You can use those file formats but MP4 is universal and it's better to provide videos that anyone can download and watch.

This is what C4S recommends:

HD MP4 (Original Unique Clip)
SD MP4 (Original Clip in an Alternate Resolution)
HD WMV (Original Clip in an Alternate Format)
SD WMV (Original Clip in an Alternate Format and Resolution)

I vaguely remember that but thanks for posting it Katy, I couldn't see it. My reservation with using a completely new format would be that it's starting from scratch with those buyers, they wouldn't buy anything I'd already done. Perhaps keeping things simple is the way to go!

laurielegs
07-09-2019, 02:17 PM
I feel it's best to stick with hd mp4. From what I understand mp4 works on every platform. Would have to be a pretty crappy phone that couldn't play an HD clip - even Youtube has those. Also I hate how cluttered stores look that have so many copies of the same clip.

Sweet_Sadie
07-09-2019, 05:53 PM
Is there anyone who's strictly audio (MP3)? That's the direction I want to go in.

Classy_Katy
07-10-2019, 12:50 AM
Is there anyone who's strictly audio (MP3)? That's the direction I want to go in.

My MP3s don't sell as well as videos but I tend to stick to the audio only category rather than the video categories, in case they're bought by mistake - although I make it clear as possible that they are audios.

Sweet_Sadie
07-10-2019, 05:24 AM
My MP3s don't sell as well as videos but I tend to stick to the audio only category rather than the video categories, in case they're bought by mistake - although I make it clear as possible that they are audios.

I'm wondering...with more marketing and spreading out platforms I sell these on...would that make a difference.

Julie D
07-11-2019, 05:52 AM
FWIW, I'm sitting on a few to create a 2nd studio. I'm planning on having "audio" in the studio name and starting each description with a bold "Audio Only" header and posting them in the appropriate category. Obv I can't tell you about sales since this is a project that I put on the back burner right now. Just wanted to share my strategy. I feel it will be unambiguous that way so if someone STILL thinks they're getting a video clip...uh...

Girly_Girl
07-11-2019, 06:22 AM
whats the best way to market videos now days?

UKPrincesss
07-26-2019, 04:19 AM
Hi All :)

I've made my own thread about this question I have but just thought I'd add it here too in case I get responses from here since this is the Clips4Sale thread. Here goes...


I'm wondering if anyone could tell me how I find a model release form for Clips4Sale, there used to be one in the admin panel when you log in but it's not there anymore. I spoke to someone on live chat and they said they're not offering the template anymore.

I need to make sure I'm using the correct paperwork, so has anyone else here (particularly from the UK) managed to find a good model release form that Clips4Sale will accept for working with other performers (whether male or female)

Thank you in advance :)

Tea4Me
07-26-2019, 11:15 AM
Hi All :)

I've made my own thread about this question I have but just thought I'd add it here too in case I get responses from here since this is the Clips4Sale thread. Here goes...


I'm wondering if anyone could tell me how I find a model release form for Clips4Sale, there used to be one in the admin panel when you log in but it's not there anymore. I spoke to someone on live chat and they said they're not offering the template anymore.

I need to make sure I'm using the correct paperwork, so has anyone else here (particularly from the UK) managed to find a good model release form that Clips4Sale will accept for working with other performers (whether male or female)

Thank you in advance :)

Well....I did a quick Google search for "Clips4Sale model release form" and I found this site: https://www.cammodelexpress.com/todays-tip-paperwork-for-working-with-other-models/ And if you scroll down to the "Some Helpful Resources" section, the second link provided goes to this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0qrv85tjy6l9oq/Release_Example.pdf?dl=0 which is " the 2257 compliant model release which clips4sale provides as an example form to their content creators". Links 3 and 4 also have little notes about release forms. However, I'm not sure how different it is for the UK..?

UKPrincesss
07-27-2019, 04:56 AM
Well....I did a quick Google search for "Clips4Sale model release form" and I found this site: https://www.cammodelexpress.com/todays-tip-paperwork-for-working-with-other-models/ And if you scroll down to the "Some Helpful Resources" section, the second link provided goes to this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0qrv85tjy6l9oq/Release_Example.pdf?dl=0 which is " the 2257 compliant model release which clips4sale provides as an example form to their content creators". Links 3 and 4 also have little notes about release forms. However, I'm not sure how different it is for the UK..?


Hi Tea4Me

Thanks for replying and passing on those links though I had already come across those when googling. So although you've been helpful it hasn't really helped because its not that I couldn't get hold of clips4sales standard model release (although I cannot get hold of it in the admin section there) its because the girl I spoke to on live chat there said they're not offering that model release for people to use because they don't recommend that anyone uses it now. So yes although you have given me the link to it I'm worried about using that because c4s are saying we shouldn't use it.

She was saying we should all be using a model release form that is custom to us because we're all in different countries and we all film different types of content and each country/region/state/etc has its own rules. I asked her if it was basically out of the question to use a standard model release and she said it was upto me how I wished to proceed just that c4s no longer recommends we do that.

I guess thats why I'm wondering if anyone here, particularly any UK producers that have been using a model release that they've uploaded to c4s that c4s are happy with.

I'm worried I'll start an extra clip store, film a bunch of clips, edit them all, basically do all the work in the background then open up my store (this would be my second clip store) and then c4s ask for my model release forms to be uploaded to their system only then to be told "oh that model release that you found online is the same one that we used to let everyone use and it can't be accepted anymore" or they just get funny with me.

Just really wondering how is everyone else in the UK doing this that is working with another performer? Sorry if what I'm saying isn't making much sense. I just wish I could go ahead and use the one they allowed everyone to use not that long ago. It makes things easier then as they have all the right info on it (I'm guessing since c4s provided it) I could download any other model release and wonder if the wording it in actually covers me or like I say just use the one from the link which is the one they used to provide but then worried if I do they won't accept it when I have to show it to them by uploading it to their system if/when asked to.

Just another thing to add as well, the girl I spoke to on live chat also said a release would have to signed for each clip filmed (I thought I could film say 5 clips in one day just as an example with the same performer and have that person sign one model release form for that bunch of clips as the date on the form would be the same as the date the clips were created) so I've learned that now, that we should have a release signed for each clip (which is not a problem at all, performer just signs 5 copies is my thinking) but here is my query about that too...Say I did use the model release form that c4s used to provide that is also on the link that you, Tea4me provided. There is nowhere on that form that determines which form would belong to which clip. Shouldn't there be a section on it that would ask the producer to state the title of the clip that the performer is giving permission for me to sell and also that the performer is legally over the age of 18 to be filmed in that clip. So again how would I even use that form for c4s if they need a form filled in for every clip if no one could work out which form is for which clip?

takiaya
07-27-2019, 08:39 AM
Hi Tea4Me

Thanks for replying and passing on those links though I had already come across those when googling. So although you've been helpful it hasn't really helped because its not that I couldn't get hold of clips4sales standard model release (although I cannot get hold of it in the admin section there) its because the girl I spoke to on live chat there said they're not offering that model release for people to use because they don't recommend that anyone uses it now. So yes although you have given me the link to it I'm worried about using that because c4s are saying we shouldn't use it.

She was saying we should all be using a model release form that is custom to us because we're all in different countries and we all film different types of content and each country/region/state/etc has its own rules. I asked her if it was basically out of the question to use a standard model release and she said it was upto me how I wished to proceed just that c4s no longer recommends we do that.

I guess thats why I'm wondering if anyone here, particularly any UK producers that have been using a model release that they've uploaded to c4s that c4s are happy with.

I'm worried I'll start an extra clip store, film a bunch of clips, edit them all, basically do all the work in the background then open up my store (this would be my second clip store) and then c4s ask for my model release forms to be uploaded to their system only then to be told "oh that model release that you found online is the same one that we used to let everyone use and it can't be accepted anymore" or they just get funny with me.

Just really wondering how is everyone else in the UK doing this that is working with another performer? Sorry if what I'm saying isn't making much sense. I just wish I could go ahead and use the one they allowed everyone to use not that long ago. It makes things easier then as they have all the right info on it (I'm guessing since c4s provided it) I could download any other model release and wonder if the wording it in actually covers me or like I say just use the one from the link which is the one they used to provide but then worried if I do they won't accept it when I have to show it to them by uploading it to their system if/when asked to.

Just another thing to add as well, the girl I spoke to on live chat also said a release would have to signed for each clip filmed (I thought I could film say 5 clips in one day just as an example with the same performer and have that person sign one model release form for that bunch of clips as the date on the form would be the same as the date the clips were created) so I've learned that now, that we should have a release signed for each clip (which is not a problem at all, performer just signs 5 copies is my thinking) but here is my query about that too...Say I did use the model release form that c4s used to provide that is also on the link that you, Tea4me provided. There is nowhere on that form that determines which form would belong to which clip. Shouldn't there be a section on it that would ask the producer to state the title of the clip that the performer is giving permission for me to sell and also that the performer is legally over the age of 18 to be filmed in that clip. So again how would I even use that form for c4s if they need a form filled in for every clip if no one could work out which form is for which clip?


Ok so c4s has NEVER asked me for a model release and before restarting under a new cam name I had over 300 clips on there and over 50 were working with other ppl. I do have their id etc saved on my laptop but never actually been asked for proof. I think its more a liability thing if someone asks c4s to age verify ppl in your videos or if like one of the ppl in the videos complains to the site they want the video down and the site has to check who has rights to the content. I think they don't recommend using the one for their site cause it talked about exclusive rights etc, most models are more for content sharing or trading or non exclusive rights these days bc since they are in the film they want to be able to use it also.

Tea4Me
07-27-2019, 03:39 PM
Ok so c4s has NEVER asked me for a model release and before restarting under a new cam name I had over 300 clips on there and over 50 were working with other ppl. I do have their id etc saved on my laptop but never actually been asked for proof. I think its more a liability thing if someone asks c4s to age verify ppl in your videos or if like one of the ppl in the videos complains to the site they want the video down and the site has to check who has rights to the content. I think they don't recommend using the one for their site cause it talked about exclusive rights etc, most models are more for content sharing or trading or non exclusive rights these days bc since they are in the film they want to be able to use it also.

That's what I was going to say! Years ago I shot videos with another person and I had them do a model release form, but C4S never asked for it and I never had to upload proof of it either. I always thought they were just to cover our own asses. I also only had the person sign ONE model release form, even though we shot multiple clips together and on various occasions. I always thought the form was just to prove the person was of legal age and gave their consent to be filmed (basically). I couldn't imagine doing one for every single clip. Perhaps doing one per DATE (like if you shoot a bunch of clips in one day), but every *single* clip is a bit excessive I think. And it's also so hard because you talk to 5 different people and you are going to get 5 different responses....lol So, there is that too...

fetishqueen
07-28-2019, 10:21 AM
A mild irritation about a change on C4S that's driving me nuts! Has anyone else noticed the change in the layout of the date at the bottom of the edit clip page where you schedule the clip? Now it only offers you the dates from today.

But that's not what's annoying me, it's the fact that if you have a clip scheduled for tomorrow, and go to the edit clip page to change something else, the date defaults to today. Each time. So if I edit tomorrow's clip and save it, the date is now today (it doesn't change the time, oddly) and if the scheduled time is earlier than now, the clip is now active!!! Twice I've done it by mistake and had to pull it back for re-scheduling.

Only a minor gripe but it's annoying and pointless, C4S!

Classy_Katy
07-28-2019, 10:21 PM
Hi All :)

I've made my own thread about this question I have but just thought I'd add it here too in case I get responses from here since this is the Clips4Sale thread. Here goes...


I'm wondering if anyone could tell me how I find a model release form for Clips4Sale, there used to be one in the admin panel when you log in but it's not there anymore. I spoke to someone on live chat and they said they're not offering the template anymore.

I need to make sure I'm using the correct paperwork, so has anyone else here (particularly from the UK) managed to find a good model release form that Clips4Sale will accept for working with other performers (whether male or female)

Thank you in advance :)

You don't need to worry about it, they only ask for one if a customer makes a query about one of your clips. I asked about this when I joined. I did prepare form but have no idea where it is now as I haven't needed it.

UKPrincesss
07-29-2019, 07:42 AM
Thanks ladies for your responses about my model release question, really appreciate that :)


Tea4Me, I totally understand what you're saying about it being excessive having a release form for every single clip!!! Thats what I was saying to her on live chat, that I thought I could have a release signed for a bunch of clips all filmed on the same day with the same performer. But she said its because each clip would have different content in it. I thought though if all my content is based around the same genre of clips then why does it matter.

Also yes you're right that sometimes speaking to different people on live chat gets you different answers. So I may ask again! :)

Also this is showing that you're right they can contradict themselves as she was telling me that at first they don't ask for the paperwork I would just need hard copies but have them needed if/when asked for BUT also I noticed this in the c4s area in our admins 'contact studio support' section it says....


"IMPORTANT - ALL Studio Owners (US and International) are 100% responsible for keeping model releases and the corresponding model IDs on file for all performers who appear on your studio.

Starting any business on the right foot means that you also need to be aware of laws in both the area in which you are doing business, as well as the country that you live in. We can not offer any legal advice, and you may need to speak to an attorney which can advise you about any local rules and laws which you may be subject to when you begin to film and sell adult content.

Required Documents

All adult content producers wishing to sell clips, photos or videos on Clips4Sale must have on file the following documents:

Signed & Dated Model Release and;

Valid State or Government Issued Photo ID (Driver's License, Passport, etc. clearly showing the performers date of birth).

OR

Licensing Agreement from the legal Copyright Owner, along with all of the performers signed and dated model release(s) and clear copies of the performers valid State or Government Issued Photo ID showing their date of birth.


IMPORTANT NOTICE – International Content Producers are also required to have these documents on file. Any content producer using Clips4Sale’s services that uses a Model Release which is not in English must be able to provide a certified translation, if a document review is requested by Clips4Sale staff."


Link to it too https://clips4salestudio.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360008983174-Proper-Record-Keeping-for-Adult-Content-Producers

See above it say international content producers have to have the paperwork on file so it seems they sort of are asking for them upfront. Or maybe they just have that in writing but if you don't upload them they don't ask? Who knows. Maybe I'm just over thinking it and like you say Classy_Katy maybe I shouldn't worry about it. But I would just hate to have done it all wrong and be in trouble for it or as I say on my last post I'd hate to have it all filmed/edited/uploaded/etc only then for them to pull all my clips down if I've uploaded the wrong paperwork since it says that international producers have to upload it.

Takiaya, Just to add what you said quoted..."I think they don't recommend using the one for their site cause it talked about exclusive rights etc, most models are more for content sharing or trading or non exclusive rights these days bc since they are in the film they want to be able to use it also."

I wonder then if then I could get away with using c4s' release form because I would have exclusive rights as I wouldn't be filming my clips on a content share basis or trading basis. The performer would be hired for that day, then the footage belong to me. So might be ok for me then I guess??

Julie D
07-29-2019, 08:22 AM
IANAL but here's my understanding. Rereading what you posted (the official info) it's saying you must keep model releases in YOUR records, not upload them every time you post a clip with a model. They are only needed if someone were to challenge/question the age of the model. If that happened, you would upload your model release (with your copy of their ID showing they were of legal age at the time of filming) to c4s. Btw, if that happened the only thing c4s would do is affirm FOR THEMSELVES the model was of age. They actually do not tell the reporting party what their conclusion was. In other words, they would not release the "proof" to the reporting party. So you or your model's personal info is never at risk of being shared. I suppose a government inquiry would be different but that's getting too far afield of the question.
The only other challenge I can think of is if someone was using clip of someone without their knowledge/permission. In that case the performer would be challenging the clip but that's not your situation either.
I suspect that c4s no longer offers a generic form for us as a way to cover their ass, and understandably imo. With producers from so many countries, there may very well be legal quirks that their form didn't cover. By offering a form, even with the caveat that you need to research your own situation, they MIGHT be taking on some legal responsibility.
I work regularly with a model for the last 2 years and I kinda used that form as a guideline because how he is reimbursed for performing with me is different from what it said. I also do not get a signed one for each clip. Tbh we are closer to partners than employer/employee but yeah, if anything were challenged I could access a form to upload.
To summarize what I understand and have been doing: Keep the records on file for yourself. You would only have to upload if c4s asks for them.

UKPrincesss
07-29-2019, 09:14 AM
IANAL but here's my understanding. Rereading what you posted (the official info) it's saying you must keep model releases in YOUR records, not upload them every time you post a clip with a model. They are only needed if someone were to challenge/question the age of the model. If that happened, you would upload your model release (with your copy of their ID showing they were of legal age at the time of filming) to c4s. Btw, if that happened the only thing c4s would do is affirm FOR THEMSELVES the model was of age. They actually do not tell the reporting party what their conclusion was. In other words, they would not release the "proof" to the reporting party. So you or your model's personal info is never at risk of being shared. I suppose a government inquiry would be different but that's getting too far afield of the question.
The only other challenge I can think of is if someone was using clip of someone without their knowledge/permission. In that case the performer would be challenging the clip but that's not your situation either.
I suspect that c4s no longer offers a generic form for us as a way to cover their ass, and understandably imo. With producers from so many countries, there may very well be legal quirks that their form didn't cover. By offering a form, even with the caveat that you need to research your own situation, they MIGHT be taking on some legal responsibility.
I work regularly with a model for the last 2 years and I kinda used that form as a guideline because how he is reimbursed for performing with me is different from what it said. I also do not get a signed one for each clip. Tbh we are closer to partners than employer/employee but yeah, if anything were challenged I could access a form to upload.
To summarize what I understand and have been doing: Keep the records on file for yourself. You would only have to upload if c4s asks for them.

Hi Julie D - Thanks for your input too :) Yes you're right that model releases must be kept as hard copy basically and handed over to them/uploaded to c4s only if asked for. So thats good to know. I've also just spoken to person number 2 on live chat just now to see if I got different info to what I got the other day and yes surprise I did. He seemed much more helpful and confirmed that a model release would only uploaded to c4s if asked for just like you said Julie D. He did also confirm though that we do in fact need a release signed for every single clip filmed. So just to reiterate that ladies. I know that would be a pain in the ass but rather just do it if been told that twice plus I've seen that online somewhere too. I did also query about c4s' generic form and said although its not available for us through our admins that it could be found online and download is that ok to use and he said yes! But the other day that other person said its wasn't recommended! The person I spoke to today even sent me links to other places to get downloads. (I'll add them if anyone wants them)

https://www.template.net/business/forms/sample-release-form/

https://www.rocketlawyer.com/document/video-release.rl#

https://www.documatica-forms.com/united-kingdom/photo-video-consent-agreement/form.php

I did ask though if I could just use the c4s model release and customise it (as in put in somewhere the title of the clip being filmed or something) since we have to have a release for every clip! He said go ahead and customise it. I just hope the legal wording at the bottom of that form would be ok?! I'll still do more research but getting a bit further forward.

Julie D
07-29-2019, 02:09 PM
Lol I admit I did NOT know I needed a release for each clip. Luckily I work with a longterm associate so worst case scenario we could, uh, produce one. But good to know going forward!

Classy_Katy
07-29-2019, 09:56 PM
They only want if they ask for it. I don't remember listing individual clips on my model release form, just one form for all the clips by that other person.



Message # 1 from 2019-07-29 17:17:32

CONTENT USE REMINDER
As a reminder, you must own the copyrights (and be able to provide Signed Model Releases and Photo IDs) or have a licensing agreement for ALL content used on your studios and used within your clips.
If you are creating clips where you have taken images or videos from a free online platform (such as, a tube site), or using content you found online (and don't hold the proper documentation for the content) within your clips - that is copyright infringement and not allowed on Clips4Sale.com
Please Remember: You can not use portions of other peoples videos or images, that you do not own the copyright for, in your clips.
If you have content of this type, please immediately remove it and delete it from our servers.
Please refer to our stated Terms of Service: https://www.clips4sale.com/clips/page/termsofservice
3.5.11. Section 2257 Records and Other Documents: All Studio Members must maintain all records required by Title 18 U.S.C. § 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75.1, et seq., as amended (“Section 2257), along with any model releases, license agreements, photographer agreements, and other documentation relating to the legality and ownership of any content distributed through the Site. You further agree to promptly provide copies of all such documents upon our request at any time, in Our sole discretion.

BBHMM
07-31-2019, 12:14 PM
I just want to chime in and say that C4S has had several recent episodes of their Legal Zone webinar that cover a bunch of record-keeping issues. They are available through your main Admin page, from Home go to Messages History, and there is a button to the entire archive of videos at the very top. I don't watch them like I should, but they can be extremely helpful for these kinds of questions. I highly recommend we all watch them. The Legal Zone Series #1 video goes into a lot of good detail about model releases and why they took down the general form they had.

Robert De Niro
08-06-2019, 02:02 PM
Ah, the 2257 chickens are coming home to roost.

here's some reading material

https://www.xbiz.com/features/136187/2257-performer-id-rules
https://www.2257lawyer.com/articles/primer5.html
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257
http://gregpiccionelli.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=202:ten-frequently-asked-questions-about-the-2257-regulations&catid=87&Itemid=1258

anonamiss
08-13-2019, 06:47 PM
Is anyone having issues with the rollover pic & gif makers? With the rollover pic, I will click "capture frame" but the image is just a perpetual loading circle. With the gif maker, I was able to choose several stills and see them all in a row, but when I went to save it, it had an error.

Probably temporary, I'll postpone the clip and try again tomorrow. Just curious if it was just me, or anyone else?

Classy_Katy
08-13-2019, 09:39 PM
Is anyone having issues with the rollover pic & gif makers? With the rollover pic, I will click "capture frame" but the image is just a perpetual loading circle. With the gif maker, I was able to choose several stills and see them all in a row, but when I went to save it, it had an error.

Probably temporary, I'll postpone the clip and try again tomorrow. Just curious if it was just me, or anyone else?

I haven't used it for years but I often had problems with it. The quality isn't very good either so I take my own stills with my edtor and use photoscape to make them into a gif.

BBHMM
08-17-2019, 11:06 AM
How are you all handling payments for custom videos these days? I normally direct people over to IWC, but I'd really like a different option. Any suggestions are appreciated, thanks!

justsometwat
08-17-2019, 11:13 AM
How are you all handling payments for custom videos these days? I normally direct people over to IWC, but I'd really like a different option. Any suggestions are appreciated, thanks!

I ONLY accept custom video requests from iwc, but if c4s offered a custom video form I'd be very happy.

I wish they also did something cool with nexocams. IWFC is absolutely better.