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Tea4Me
08-29-2019, 08:08 PM
Anyone else see that message about Loyalfans.com in the C4S admin? I'm confused.... Does C4S own/run Loyalfans? I saw this tweet...https://twitter.com/RealLoyalFans/status/1166425384969261056 and the 70% commission on clips caught my eye. ??? Why can't we get that on C4S *if* they also own Loyalfans?? Is it just a ploy to get people to sign up and post their content on that new site?

Classy_Katy
08-29-2019, 11:59 PM
They sent an email to people on Nexocams

NexoCams is Evolving into
Loyal Fans!

You know the old saying, which came first: the chicken or the egg? Almost two years ago we released NexoCams, a small "egg", a unique platform that was in some areas still in the early stages of development, but it has grown into something amazing.

Over the last several months we studied all of the requests and feedback that you left for us, and we're excited to say we've made your requests a reality. You may have also noticed that we have not rolled out any major updates to NexoCams, and you've probably asked yourself why?

We have been working behind the scenes, day by day, to create something bigger and more robust. A platform that will revolutionize the way you interact with your fans and help everyone increase earnings while still having fun. With that the proverbial "chicken" has arrived as the site grows and transforms into a new version called, Loyal Fans. We've taken the idea of an update to the site to a whole new level!

Loyal Fans is no longer defined as just an adult / fetish cam platform, with its unique features and open platform it opens the doors to all types of artists, including mainstream too.

laurielegs
08-31-2019, 07:16 PM
I ONLY accept custom video requests from iwc, but if c4s offered a custom video form I'd be very happy.

I wish they also did something cool with nexocams. IWFC is absolutely better.

I really believe a custom video order form is the #1 thing clip creators need most and what has been missing from Clips4sale. I'm disappointed that the site is working on so many things I have zero use for and after all these years there is still no integrated way for a customer to place an order for a custom clip.

It's ridiculous that nearly ALL the smaller sites have this capability built in and Clips4sale still has nothing.

I'm going to contact support and suggest this yet again and I hope some of you will join me. I don't really think the staff understand how much we need this and how much money we and they are losing by making this so clunky and difficult.

laurielegs
08-31-2019, 09:12 PM
They sent an email to people on Nexocams

NexoCams is Evolving into
Loyal Fans!

You know the old saying, which came first: the chicken or the egg? Almost two years ago we released NexoCams, a small "egg", a unique platform that was in some areas still in the early stages of development, but it has grown into something amazing.

Over the last several months we studied all of the requests and feedback that you left for us, and we're excited to say we've made your requests a reality. You may have also noticed that we have not rolled out any major updates to NexoCams, and you've probably asked yourself why?

We have been working behind the scenes, day by day, to create something bigger and more robust. A platform that will revolutionize the way you interact with your fans and help everyone increase earnings while still having fun. With that the proverbial "chicken" has arrived as the site grows and transforms into a new version called, Loyal Fans. We've taken the idea of an update to the site to a whole new level!

Loyal Fans is no longer defined as just an adult / fetish cam platform, with its unique features and open platform it opens the doors to all types of artists, including mainstream too.


I tested this out today - video looks good when you go live, but nobody can see you unless they are one of your followers even when in public chat! It's very odd how it's set up.

Classy_Katy
09-01-2019, 12:07 AM
I really believe a custom video order form is the #1 thing clip creators need most and what has been missing from Clips4sale. I'm disappointed that the site is working on so many things I have zero use for and after all these years there is still no integrated way for a customer to place an order for a custom clip.

It's ridiculous that nearly ALL the smaller sites have this capability built in and Clips4sale still has nothing.

I'm going to contact support and suggest this yet again and I hope some of you will join me. I don't really think the staff understand how much we need this and how much money we and they are losing by making this so clunky and difficult.

They have an aversion to us making custom clips - they made various changes to make it harder for this to happen, hiding our store and contact details. They do not understand that we also sell our custom clips on C4S and that they are usually very popular. Years ago Neil talked about introducing a way to sell custom clips through the site but nothing come of that...there was a question over whether we or they should pay C4S' commission.

PixiieGirl
09-01-2019, 06:28 AM
custom clips are great, it'd be nice if they added a way but tbh, atm I just get C4S custom clip folk to pay elsewhere with a higher commission anyway

also, C4S really picked up for me in August, I dont upload a huge amount but had a few customs to put up. I think the fact Ive switched to 1080 and moving gifs, plus advertising new releases on my twitter, has really helped

laurielegs
09-01-2019, 06:03 PM
custom clips are great, it'd be nice if they added a way but tbh, atm I just get C4S custom clip folk to pay elsewhere with a higher commission anyway

I really think even with clips4sale's cut we would make more if it were easier for customers to order due to increased volume of sales. When you throw roadblocks in front of customers a lot will tend to give up. If they can just click and order its so much better.

fetishqueen
09-02-2019, 03:33 PM
I'm all for making things easier for buyers but how do you ladies deal with custom orders that include stuff you won't do? I very often find that initial enquiries for customs don't go anywhere because they ask for something I'm not happy to do or is not allowed. What do you do if they have already ordered and paid?

I guess you can have a list of do's and don'ts but it wouldn't be 100% comprehensive!

Classy_Katy
09-02-2019, 09:52 PM
I'm all for making things easier for buyers but how do you ladies deal with custom orders that include stuff you won't do? I very often find that initial enquiries for customs don't go anywhere because they ask for something I'm not happy to do or is not allowed. What do you do if they have already ordered and paid?

I guess you can have a list of do's and don'ts but it wouldn't be 100% comprehensive!

We shouldn't be taking payment until we're happy with the requested clip...there would need to be a way for communication to happen before payment. Our charges will depend on the content as well as the length of the clip, too.

MxtressValleycat
09-05-2019, 05:53 AM
I'm all for making things easier for buyers but how do you ladies deal with custom orders that include stuff you won't do? I very often find that initial enquiries for customs don't go anywhere because they ask for something I'm not happy to do or is not allowed. What do you do if they have already ordered and paid?

I guess you can have a list of do's and don'ts but it wouldn't be 100% comprehensive!

I only accept content negotiation before they pay, if they've already paid then decide they want something else they need to pay for another custom. If they request something that is a hard limit for me I won't do it, if someone is an arse after paying I refund then block.

Kody_
09-07-2019, 09:24 PM
Helllooo! I made a discord for those of us that make clips and content, would be great to get a chat space going so if you’re interested, the link is https://discord.gg/3nCS4HH

ericachronic
09-09-2019, 10:32 AM
Any one not gotten their payout paper check yet? I usually get mine around the 5th or 6th...and it is now the 9th. I will probably give it a few more days but I have always gotten them like clock work.

SFHS
09-09-2019, 12:16 PM
Any one not gotten their payout paper check yet? I usually get mine around the 5th or 6th...and it is now the 9th. I will probably give it a few more days but I have always gotten them like clock work.

Haven't gotten mine yet. Maybe there is a delay because of Labor Day. Hoping it comes tomorrow.

Tea4Me
09-09-2019, 02:55 PM
Haven't gotten mine yet. Maybe there is a delay because of Labor Day. Hoping it comes tomorrow.

Oh yeah, good thinking! (I never really think of Labor day as a holiday...) Yeah, I usually get mine around the 6th or 7th and it wasn't here today. Funny...I was thinking about posting on here and asking others as well.

SFHS
09-10-2019, 02:01 PM
No check in today's mail.

SFHS
09-11-2019, 09:30 AM
My check arrived today.

Tea4Me
09-11-2019, 03:35 PM
My check arrived today.

Same. (Although yesterday there was a bit of cussing going on... lol)

caramelcraze
09-12-2019, 01:26 AM
is anyone else having issues with the roll over clip maker? it refuses to change the image for me. like i'll select something, save it, and nothing happens.

CityGirl2019
09-16-2019, 04:24 PM
I'd like to open a clips4sale studio, but part of the signup process asks for government ID for international users (Canada). Is this normal? I feel weird about giving my legal ID to an adult site. Why do they need this information?

Julie D
09-16-2019, 04:49 PM
It's not just international. Everyone has to provide official, legal ID. C4s is a business and we are independent contractors. They will send you checks or pay directly to your bank etc. They need to know who you are in real life. In addition, they need to confirm you are of legal age. Yes, it's "an adult site" but this is a very real business, both for c4s and those of us who are clip makers.

PixiieGirl
09-17-2019, 01:37 AM
All legit adult sites will ask for ID, they have to be sure you’re not underage

Natalie0523
10-06-2019, 10:40 AM
Neil giving a live announcement on Clips4Sale on Wed Oct 9 @ 7pm. I wonder what it is. Any ideas?

MxtressValleycat
10-06-2019, 10:51 AM
Neil giving a live announcement on Clips4Sale on Wed Oct 9 @ 7pm. I wonder what it is. Any ideas?
Haven't the foggiest but that time sucks for UK peeps :/

graciejames
10-06-2019, 03:20 PM
What the hell is wrong with the uploader?

I'm trying to upload a big 12 minute clip, so it takes 20-30 minutes to upload to 100%.. BUT once it's done that, it goes back to 0% and starts loading again all the way from zero?!?! What the hell..

I tried switching browsers in case it's that but I dunno?

It definitely uploaded because I went to the upload new clip page again, and when I clicked the drop-down to add an already uploaded clip, the clip was in there, but when I select it to add it, the page doesn't update.. E.g the 'time' and 'price' options aren't able to be clicked on.

Any help? I am close to throwing my laptop out the window

fetishqueen
10-06-2019, 03:50 PM
What the hell is wrong with the uploader?

I'm trying to upload a big 12 minute clip, so it takes 20-30 minutes to upload to 100%.. BUT once it's done that, it goes back to 0% and starts loading again all the way from zero?!?! What the hell..

I tried switching browsers in case it's that but I dunno?

It definitely uploaded because I went to the upload new clip page again, and when I clicked the drop-down to add an already uploaded clip, the clip was in there, but when I select it to add it, the page doesn't update.. E.g the 'time' and 'price' options aren't able to be clicked on.

Any help? I am close to throwing my laptop out the window

I get this from time to time, not often but I feel the same when it happens and it's always when I've got lots to do! The best thing I've found is honestly to leave it if you can and try again a few hours later.

Tea4Me
10-06-2019, 05:26 PM
Neil giving a live announcement on Clips4Sale on Wed Oct 9 @ 7pm. I wonder what it is. Any ideas?

I don't know but I was wondering whatever happened to the monthly newsletters? And I thought one of them made mention of 'new changes' for clip producers....which never came. Ah, here is the last newsletter.....December 2018: https://blog.clips4sale.com/b/newsletters-from-neil/

From January 2018 newsletter: "So I have decided that it is time to make a huge investment in C4S and to rebuild … rebuild from the ground up. Start fresh and build a site that is not only up to speed with today’s technology, but a site that can take us well into the future."

It's now October 2019....where are the changes?

Glamourmilf
10-08-2019, 08:11 AM
Neil giving a live announcement on Clips4Sale on Wed Oct 9 @ 7pm. I wonder what it is. Any ideas?

I really hope they will be addressing the new law going in effect in California, prohibiting independent contractors.

PixiieGirl
10-08-2019, 09:15 AM
I really hope they will be addressing the new law going in effect in California, prohibiting independent contractors.
could be, tho I wouldnt count on it too much as we where never given any info re: the UK porn law changes - I emailed and asked for advice/info re: it when the bill passed and got told they complied with current laws already - which wasnt helpful lol

justsometwat
10-09-2019, 01:58 PM
Hopefully something good, my sales are so so so slow this month so far !

MxtressValleycat
10-09-2019, 03:55 PM
It's midnight on a Wednesday and I'm exhausted so I hope this is a decent announcement and not "We're adding a tiny update to Nexo cams"

justsometwat
10-09-2019, 04:06 PM
Announcing - (as of yesterday) entered into a partnership with MindGeek.

Neil not leaving - staying with the site - just a strategic partnership.
Want to make changes and bring in new tools and increase sales and traffic.
Want growth, protected content (from piracy, to better protect)
"This will project us into the future"
"Just trust me, have an open mind."
Goes on to say that people copy and clone it, that he knows what he is doing - has been doing it for 17 years. Asks that we take time to think about it, even if not happy with it yet.

Not verbatim -
Is this a sign of financial instability? No, but other platforms have has it happen, but this is not the case at all. Not for my bottom line, but benefiting everyone.
What, if any, changes will we see from a performer's perspective? Better admin tools, revamped admin, better tools to analyze of sales. Easier for people that only care about adding clips. Seems to mean more streamlined. Customers can buy more and faster, better search tool. Better tools for finding piracy and protecting content.
Isn't Modelhub a competing service that MindGeek runs, would this conflict? MH does not affect us at all, MH is not fetish oriented as C4S is. C4S has the fetish base, so they aren't competition. MH does not affect C4S growth.
Does this partnership mean that we will have a separate store on MindGeek? No. Not at all. Team is just getting bigger, but will not have a new admin on MindGeek.
What exactly is MindGeek's role in the partnership? They are bringing the experience, technology into play. Role is to help with SEO, coding, bringing traffic, infrastructure, exposure. "MindGeek is one of the top 50 sites in the world and number one in adult."
Will this change payout percentages? Everything stays the same. "Will you see more revenue? Well, that's the goal." "Putting jet fuel on this fire". Helps with increasing money by adding MG to the mix.
Will this affect content and what will be allowed? The controller of the content is the bank, visa, mastercard. Things have changed in the past, but out of C4S hands. MindGeek is not coming into this saying some content needs to be scrubbed or not allowed. As long as you follow TOS there is no issue.
Documentation, age verification will not change.
What is the time table for change? Will be a timeframe, but not ETA. Rolling out features. So no change all at once, I guess.
How does MindGeek benefit? Growth for C4S, but benefits for both sides. Is in the game with C4S. Mentions "strategic partnership" a lot. They have reason to help. Question not really answered.
What will this do to LoyalFans? Loyalfans is different company all together. Didn't want to crowd C4S with too much stuff. C4S is great the way it is, but needs growth. LoyalFans is different from this completely, nothing to do with it. "Wanted them separate and not mixed together."
PIRACY TOOLS IN ADMIN - better protect content, not have to search tubesites - MindGeek will be reason why this is easier for performers. Webinars will be done in the future with more updates, some telling about new tools and how they are used - fingerprinting content. Easily found and blocked from being uploaded.
Any long term plans for 401k, retirement plans? Wanted to do webinars with people that can help with learning how to do this. "Not possible."
Payment processing? Any other payment processes? Intermark still paying you via same methods - ACH, check, etc. Do want more than once a month payments, but currently discussing - not a definite.
Doesn't MindGeek own a lot of tubesites? People are used to free porn, will this conflict? They have been adapting to "not free all of the time". It started with free and accumulated great traffic and do own tube platforms but they will help C4S in a roundabout way. Paying for porn is a priority for people now.

MxtressValleycat
10-09-2019, 04:09 PM
Oh great, I'm now exhausted and finding out I can no longer avoid being involved with Mindgeek who I have been desperately trying to avoid wherever possible due to their scummy business practices.

Peachy.

Luna66
10-09-2019, 04:34 PM
This is huge news! I can't tell yet if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

laurielegs
10-09-2019, 05:00 PM
Partering with Mindgeek. Wow. Seems like a very odd partership - Isn't Mindgeek the one responsible for making millions in stealing our content and making money off our work?

In bed with the enemy? lol

Classy_Katy
10-09-2019, 10:49 PM
Partering with Mindgeek. Wow. Seems like a very odd partership - Isn't Mindgeek the one responsible for making millions in stealing our content and making money off our work?

In bed with the enemy? lol

Mindgeek?! WTF?!

MxtressValleycat
10-09-2019, 10:55 PM
I think having slept on it the thing that's disappointed me most about this is that a lot of the things that look good on the surface (it'll be quicker and easier to get stuff taken down from tube sites! We're going to make it so your first google search result isn't a tube site! etc etc) are solutions to problems that were caused by Mindgeek in the first place.

PixiieGirl
10-10-2019, 01:33 AM
Oh ffs, like whether this is good or not remains to be seen but morally I’m pissed at this :/

boyru
10-10-2019, 08:04 AM
Why should we suffer from pirates and clip thieves?
These refunds were due to fraudulent use of a credit cards. The scammer was able to get the downloads before the system caught him. Since the orders must fraudulent we have to refund the charges. We have blocked the email and credit card from future purchases on the site.

But he (bastard!) has finished the downloads of the best clips.

What should we do? Chargeback forgiveness does not present any more...

justsometwat
10-10-2019, 08:58 AM
Reading the conversations on twitter makes me worry. I already feel like Pornhub feels inconvenienced by me emailing them to move pirated content to my account so I can get fucking paid on them not verifying uploaded content. To avoid them publishing my name on DMCA'd videos I just move them to my account and delete if I want. 95% of my pirated content comes from IWC downloads and like 4% from ManyVids, then maybe 1% from C4S, so the piracy thing doesn't really help. IWC dabbled in fingerprinting, but look where that got them. Most of my pirated content came from when they added that stupid 8 second long IWC intro to all videos.

I can't say no to more traffic, but right now that doesn't matter - it will matter if we see results.
I am all for a more streamlined admin. Hell, I'd be happy if C4S didn't still look like it was out of the 90s. I was so turned off by the site when I first looked at it 8 years ago! I thought that no one would ever see me, but I do pretty well. Less so now that femdom and humiliation is such an oversaturated market. Too many MTV documentaries making people think they can just flip you off and demand money (but I digress).

SEO help would be great, currently my model name search comes up like this -
C4S store
Pornhub
Pornhub
Twitter
PIRATE SITE
PIRATE SITE
PIRATE SITE
IWC
ModelHub
PIRATE SITE

I spend a LOT of time DMCAing on my own because I want the videos down NOW, not when C4S can get around to it, but the help would be nice. I don't think it will make much difference though. Once a video is up it spreads like wildfire. Before you know it it is on 500 sites, many of which aren't DMCA compliant anyway.

I do wish they gave more info on WHY they partnered, what is MindGeek getting from this other than "it's mutually beneficial". Sure MG gets to enter more into the fetish market, but do they really NEED to?

boyru
10-10-2019, 09:08 AM
there are hundrerds russian boards where poeople trade with stolen clips
they are ignoring dmca and mails from owners
they sale my clips using BTC (and other) :(

PixiieGirl
10-10-2019, 02:25 PM
I just really dont trust mindgeek, they lobbied for the shitty age ID laws in the UK purely to make them more money, blergh

Classy_Katy
10-10-2019, 11:53 PM
I just really dont trust mindgeek, they lobbied for the shitty age ID laws in the UK purely to make them more money, blergh

I guess that at least means C4S would be compliant!

justsometwat
10-22-2019, 10:04 AM
Good God this month is so bad. I'm like $500 behind where I should be. This is so discouraging!

MissAdriana
10-22-2019, 10:18 AM
Good God this month is so bad. I'm like $500 behind where I should be. This is so discouraging!

Same I uploaded 31 new clips last month didn't even make payout. Hard to tell if it's just the fetishes I'm doing they don't like right now, or are bored of, they were all my top 5 selling categories, maybe they were drowned out but other new top content, maybe it's just a slow month and they will sell better later.... -_-

SFHS
10-22-2019, 11:19 AM
Good God this month is so bad. I'm like $500 behind where I should be. This is so discouraging!

This month is terrible for me too. At this rate it's gonna be my lowest grossing month in over a year and less than half of what I made last October.

BBHMM
10-22-2019, 11:53 AM
This just popped up from the admin. Look out y'all:

EMAIL SCAM ALERT FOR STUDIO OWNERS
We have been advised that emails are being sent from a scam GMail account (Clip4sale info <clip4sal @ gmail.com>) with the subject: "We have very good news!" which invites our studio owners to join a fake "ClipsyBonus System" by clicking a link. DO NOT CLICK THE LINK OR VISIT THE WEBSITE!
Do not reply to anyone using a non-clips4sale.com email address. All of our studio support and official Clips4Sale staff members have email addresses such as: [email protected]
Before clicking on links or sending any documents via email, please make sure you are always replying to an email address ending with @clips4sale.com, and please report any suspicious emails to us immediately.
Remember To Verify: When you reply to an email, always take a moment to verify the actual email address you are replying to. Most email programs will show you the actual email address when you hover your mouse over the email address in the TO field if you do not see it clearly in the message header.
At no time will you receive an unsolicited e-mail from Clips4Sale asking you for your studio log-in credentials.
Any sensitive and/or confidential information requested by Clips4Sale Staff would be directly from our @clips4sale.com email or through your admin area.
We DO NOT use free email accounts (gmail, hotmail, yahoo, aol, etc.) to contact you. If you receive a suspicious email asking for your authentication credentials or sensitive and/or confidential information you should decline the request and alert us immediately: Toll Free: 1-855-246-3226 or Direct: 1-727-498-6509 or visit:
If you have been contacted by anyone asking for documents or if you have mistakenly replied to an e-mail phishing scam, please forward any and all emails you have received and/or sent to us at: [email protected]
Thank you –
Clips4Sale Management
Clips4Sale.com

justsometwat
10-22-2019, 03:39 PM
Based on my sales report from last year I am having the same kind of month, I ended up earning 3x as much in the final 10 days than I had in the first 2-3 weeks of the month. I am HOPING that happens again this mont. My other sites are doing really well, I don't want them to make up for the shitty month I am having, I want it to be extra :(

Last month for me was pretty good, but I have a feeling things can get really shitty for the rest of the year. Last year my November and December was pretty nice, but I lost a few regulars because of their personal reasons like having a baby or losing a job. That's gonna hit pretty hard I think.

BustyLark
10-23-2019, 07:48 PM
I am literally at $8 :(

Victoria_Gray
10-27-2019, 08:02 PM
I am looking for more clips sites atm. Currently on IWC & Waiting for MV to approve me.

Just curious if anyone knows if C4S will be putting up chargeback protection? Also, is individuals, do you get hit with chargebacks much?

I know I don't get chargebacks with my PSO side, but am worried someone will do this clip side. Thanks guys!

PixiieGirl
10-28-2019, 02:58 AM
I don’t earn tonnes, but I’ve only had one chargeback ever

There was an issue a while back with tonnes of people getting hit by them but I think that slowed? They do also cover some CB I believe but I forget the criteria