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SFHS
01-28-2020, 03:44 PM
Not getting sales emails again today.... (Sales show in admin though).

I didn't get one sales email yesterday but it came through about 24 hours later. Today I've been getting all my sales emails.

Tea4Me
01-28-2020, 03:56 PM
Not getting sales emails again today.... (Sales show in admin though).

I started getting sales emails again this afternoon. And then I got all of the ones I didn't receive earlier, all at once. I thought that was kinda odd. Usually when I don't get the notifications for the sales when they go through, I never do end up getting a email for them.

Natalie0523
01-28-2020, 11:15 PM
I also had a sudden influx of sales emails today.

Question...a customer would like a joi custom video of me holding and showing old porn magazines. Obviously the people in those magazines will be shown in the video so I'm assuming this is not allowed? Since I'm making money from the video, right? Thanks.

The more I think about it, the more I realize this would be copyright infringement. My brain is slow today lol.

boyru
02-01-2020, 08:34 AM
i started 2020-Jan in TOP-300 studios and finished 2020-Jan on 3000 place :(
why sales were so extremely bad in the end of January?
i update every month with 34-37 new clips

CatBBW
02-01-2020, 09:18 AM
i started 2020-Jan in TOP-300 studios and finished 2020-Jan on 3000 place :(
why sales were so extremely bad in the end of January?
i update every month with 34-37 new clips

Money's tight after Xmas. Especially the couple of weeks leading up to payday.

SFHS
02-02-2020, 07:41 AM
The website has been acting bad for over a week now. I keep getting kicked out of my store admin page and have to log back in, for about a week now it hasn't been posting store updates and sales to Twitter, and this morning I go look at my sales page and it's showing three days of sales but today is only Feb 2nd.

Tea4Me
02-04-2020, 06:08 PM
So....I finally went over my sales goals and such for January. The month started out great and ended well, but there was a strange slow spell mid-month. Normally January is one of my best months, but not this year. It was not horrible, but the slow days (which felt a tad unusually slow for January) did bring the overall sales down from where I thought/hoped it would be.

I didn't let it demotivate me though as I know sometimes it happens and then there is an upswing again (as there was). But it was unexpected as it's usually a better month.

I'm curious how it was for others? I know Katy said it started out good for her too, but the the sales pick up towards the end for you? Did you keep updating regardless?

SFHS
02-04-2020, 09:43 PM
So....I finally went over my sales goals and such for January. The month started out great and ended well, but there was a strange slow spell mid-month. Normally January is one of my best months, but not this year. It was not horrible, but the slow days (which felt a tad unusually slow for January) did bring the overall sales down from where I thought/hoped it would be.

I didn't let it demotivate me though as I know sometimes it happens and then there is an upswing again (as there was). But it was unexpected as it's usually a better month.

I'm curious how it was for others? I know Katy said it started out good for her too, but the the sales pick up towards the end for you? Did you keep updating regardless?

Was terrible for the first half (so bad I thought I was gonna have my worst month in over two years) but then the second half rebounded to where January was just slightly disappointing. Thankfully that late January sales boost has carried over into February and Super Bowl Sunday was in my top 5 sales days of all time on C4S.

Classy_Katy
02-04-2020, 11:38 PM
My sales in early January were high enough to more than make up for the dry spell that followed, thankfully. It did pick up for me again at the end of the month but it's very quiet again now. I haven't been able to film for a while but I still manage to excede my payout most months. It's interesting seeing how sales are when I am not influencing them.

I agree it is hard to keep filming when sales aren't happening...it might be best to hold back on clips that you know should sell very well, until sales pick up again, and upload your regular clips in meantime to keep things ticking along or take the opportunity then to try out new categories.

Julie D
02-17-2020, 11:47 AM
I also had lagging emails in Jan. And my payout was $18 short which they say they're talking to the programmers about?
My Jan was disappointing but within an acceptable range. Started ok then trailed off. This month is very grim for me.
My strategy has been to not release a clip when one or two are doing well. Once it slows I post something new. It has always worked for me, personally. I can't film enough to post daily or sometimes even weekly and it's never been a problem.
This month (unless it majorly picks up) will be my worst by a WIDE margin. I've already released more than I usually do, including a few that I would expect to do at least fairly well.
I do think there's always an element of the unknown as far as sales but I'm scratching my head because this is so off track for me.
I had one thought but I hesitate to bring it up. I don't know if it's the porn equivalent of an old wives tale or if there's something to it. Idk, maybe I'm gasping at straws for an explanation since my sales are about what I'd expect in a week and it's now the 17th.

Tea4Me
02-17-2020, 12:35 PM
My February has been really good so far, with Valentine's Day being one of my best sales days ever!

PixiieGirl
02-17-2020, 01:34 PM
I hardly upload due to my net but uploaded 5 new clips including a B/G up both C;S and manyvids and none of them sold

Yet my crap old 640 B/G scene sold last week, disappointed tbh I was really proud of it and it took a lot of courage for my partner to film with me :/

yumei
02-17-2020, 03:35 PM
ummm sorry guys, but when c4s changed price that shows up at store?
Whe i set up price 7.99$(when upload and edit file) it shows as 9.83$ at main paige of my store;>

CatBBW
02-17-2020, 04:53 PM
ummm sorry guys, but when c4s changed price that shows up at store?
Whe i set up price 7.99$(when upload and edit file) it shows as 9.83$ at main paige of my store;>

OH INTERESTING!! Mine have had a price increase too! WTF??

justsometwat
02-17-2020, 05:04 PM
That's the price with VAT included. I got a sales email that said VAT was included in the price of the sale.

CatBBW
02-17-2020, 05:14 PM
That's the price with VAT included. I got a sales email that said VAT was included in the price of the sale.

Should be INCLUDED though, not added on top :-\

Why have they suddenly added VAT on top of the price?

SFHS
02-17-2020, 06:00 PM
I just got two orders. One from the US, no VAT. One from Austria and it's got the VAT. So is the VAT only on orders from outside the US? Is this free extra money or do I have to pay this extra money to some government? I don't understand this at all.

caramelcraze
02-18-2020, 04:07 AM
I just got two orders. One from the US, no VAT. One from Austria and it's got the VAT. So is the VAT only on orders from outside the US? Is this free extra money or do I have to pay this extra money to some government? I don't understand this at all.

If you are from the US, it's added to the sales price for those customers out of the US and do not effect your earnings (so if you were going to earn 4.99 on a clip, you still will earn 4.99). believe you just pay taxes on your earnings as usual, as you are not making anymore off the sale.

CatBBW
02-18-2020, 04:52 AM
Why have they suddenly started doing this? Why was there no announcement? All my prices look too high now, a 6.99 clip is showing to me in UK as 8.39.


EDIT: I've asked them through the support, will let you know what they say.

CatBBW
02-18-2020, 05:13 AM
Well I got a reply. I asked why the prices are displaying higher in the store than what I choose. NOTE I did not say anything about taxes, but the reply (below) gives the impression that I seem to be baffled about online taxes...

(PS: I'm in UK, which isn't part of the EU - wonder if I should point that out... ;D )


________________________________________

Hello,

As of February 17, 2020, VAT was added to the website. It is EU countries for the time being but will shortly be the U.S and Canada too. This means when browsing the website from EU, the clip prices already include VAT and so does the checkout page.

Yes. Online taxes are now a standard and are being implemented across many platforms, not only on Clips4sale.com.


Regards,
Clips4Sale.com

CatBBW
02-18-2020, 05:14 AM
I replied asking why no announcement, they replied saying it's coming today.

caramelcraze
02-18-2020, 05:28 AM
I replied asking why no announcement, they replied saying it's coming today.
Super unprofessional of them not to mention this beforehand. I literally just had a sale and saw the mark up.

PixiieGirl
02-18-2020, 07:47 AM
Im not seeing this on any of my other clip sites either :/

boyru
02-18-2020, 12:34 PM
we can forget about good sales
80% of VATs are greater than 16% (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax)
so, our clips will be very expensive
but my U.S. billing on pay site does not follow VAT rules

CatBBW
02-18-2020, 03:30 PM
So, they've announced it. However. I'm in UK which left EU at the end of January, so surely the VAT rules don't currently apply? Yet I am seeing the price with added tax?

__________________________________________________ ____

VAT & Tax Added to Clips4Sale

As of February 17th 2020, VAT (value-added tax) was added to the website. VAT is an EU requirement and is paid in full by customers. For the time being only EU countries will be paying VAT, but we will soon be adding tax on purchases from the US (in states which have an e-commerce tax) and Canada too.

As a customer browsing the website in the EU all prices displayed and on the checkout page will already include VAT. This is a requirement from the EU government for VAT to be included in the price.

In the US and Canada it will be added on to the sub-total of the transaction. Again, all taxes are paid by the customer.

As a Studio Owner you will see VAT, and soon Taxes (where applicable), on your email sales receipts.

Your commission will always be on the sale price before VAT and Taxes are applied.

Online taxes are now a standard and are being implemented across many platforms, not only on Clips4Sale.

We will update all Studio Owners when US and Canadian Taxes go live on the website.

Clips4Sale Management
Clips4Sale.com

PixiieGirl
02-18-2020, 03:58 PM
So, they've announced it. However. I'm in UK which left EU at the end of January, so surely the VAT rules don't currently apply? Yet I am seeing the price with added tax?

__________________________________________________ ____

VAT & Tax Added to Clips4Sale

As of February 17th 2020, VAT (value-added tax) was added to the website. VAT is an EU requirement and is paid in full by customers. For the time being only EU countries will be paying VAT, but we will soon be adding tax on purchases from the US (in states which have an e-commerce tax) and Canada too.

As a customer browsing the website in the EU all prices displayed and on the checkout page will already include VAT. This is a requirement from the EU government for VAT to be included in the price.

In the US and Canada it will be added on to the sub-total of the transaction. Again, all taxes are paid by the customer.

As a Studio Owner you will see VAT, and soon Taxes (where applicable), on your email sales receipts.

Your commission will always be on the sale price before VAT and Taxes are applied.

Online taxes are now a standard and are being implemented across many platforms, not only on Clips4Sale.

We will update all Studio Owners when US and Canadian Taxes go live on the website.

Clips4Sale Management
Clips4Sale.com

While we’ve left the EU were in a transition period, so we’re still bound by EU laws until that ends

boyru
02-18-2020, 10:54 PM
I see +VAT when open my studio from VPN located in UK

Classy_Katy
02-19-2020, 10:38 AM
It really hit clip sales on Adultwork when they added VAT.

sexysusie
02-19-2020, 05:54 PM
Interesting page https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/vat-rules-for-digital-services-paid-social-media

A clip from which states:

I'm curious because I know a friend who's accountant has informed them that they may be liable for any VAT due and looking into the model that these companies operate it seems to be incorrect.
For example according to the guidance document:

"Digital platforms and accounting for VAT"
If you operate a digital platform that third-parties sell e-services through, you’re liable to account for the VAT on those sales unless you meet all of the following conditions:

/digital platforms and everyone else involved in the supply must identify who the supplier is in their contractual arrangements
/invoices, bills or sales receipts must identify that supplier and the service supplied
-digital platforms must not:
/authorise the charge to the consumer
/authorise the delivery
/set the general terms and conditions of the sale
-If you do not meet all these conditions:

/you must treat the sales of third-party e-services as if they were your own
/you must declare any VAT that is due
/the responsibility for accounting for any VAT moves back to the person who supplied you if you’re giving intermediary services to that person

Gumroad (an online selling platform)'s take on it:
52809

Anyone with more inclination to go through this whole rigmarole again than me is more than welcome. Will be watching with interest...

Victoria_Gray
02-19-2020, 08:59 PM
So, they've announced it. However. I'm in UK which left EU at the end of January, so surely the VAT rules don't currently apply? Yet I am seeing the price with added tax?

__________________________________________________ ____

VAT & Tax Added to Clips4Sale

As of February 17th 2020, VAT (value-added tax) was added to the website. VAT is an EU requirement and is paid in full by customers. For the time being only EU countries will be paying VAT, but we will soon be adding tax on purchases from the US (in states which have an e-commerce tax) and Canada too.

As a customer browsing the website in the EU all prices displayed and on the checkout page will already include VAT. This is a requirement from the EU government for VAT to be included in the price.

In the US and Canada it will be added on to the sub-total of the transaction. Again, all taxes are paid by the customer.

As a Studio Owner you will see VAT, and soon Taxes (where applicable), on your email sales receipts.

Your commission will always be on the sale price before VAT and Taxes are applied.

Online taxes are now a standard and are being implemented across many platforms, not only on Clips4Sale.

We will update all Studio Owners when US and Canadian Taxes go live on the website.

Clips4Sale Management
Clips4Sale.com


The tax is based on where something is sold, not which country you are in. I have had to deal with EU, US, UK, Canadian taxes on stuff in my vanilla life before. It's annoying, but... govornments want their money, yo.

Victoria_Gray
02-19-2020, 09:04 PM
Just my 2c, C4S were always responsbible for this, but probably hadn't invested the money in setting up their system to charge taxes based on where people were buying from. I don't think this could come back to bite us in the ass because we were never our responsibilities in the first place.

naomi_doll
02-19-2020, 10:03 PM
In the U.S. it is based on the state. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2019/10/02/new-sales-tax-rules-take-effective-this-week-in-more-than-a-dozen-states/amp/

PixiieGirl
02-20-2020, 02:44 AM
Ive still not heard of any other clip selling site doing this?

PixiieGirl
02-20-2020, 05:32 AM
Manyvids, streamate and adultwork all charge vat on video sales. I haven't checked other clip sites. It is usually added to the total at checkout. C4S is displaying prices inclusive of VAT rather than adding it on at checkout. SM even charges VAT on everything including live shows so if you charge $5 a min guys in the EEA are charged $6 a min.
Really? I had no idea! Thanks that’s interesting I never realised guys where paying less on C4S than my other sites!

SuperPookie
02-20-2020, 05:41 AM
Manyvids, streamate and adultwork all charge vat on video sales. I haven't checked other clip sites. It is usually added to the total at checkout. C4S is displaying prices inclusive of VAT rather than adding it on at checkout. SM even charges VAT on everything including live shows so if you charge $5 a min guys in the EEA are charged $6 a min.
I charge roughly $6 per minute on SM & I had a guy yesterday swearing my rate was showing to him as $9 per minute.

Classy_Katy
02-20-2020, 09:17 AM
Manyvids, streamate and adultwork all charge vat on video sales. I haven't checked other clip sites. It is usually added to the total at checkout. C4S is displaying prices inclusive of VAT rather than adding it on at checkout. SM even charges VAT on everything including live shows so if you charge $5 a min guys in the EEA are charged $6 a min.

They shouldn't charge VAT on live video. Adultwork did this at first but then did their research and refunded the customers.

sexysusie
02-20-2020, 05:37 PM
Nope live cam, live phone and custom videos are outside the scope but not everybody realizes that. See the thread i posted on the last page. We need to be following what platforms such as etsy are doing as they run a similar platform to the camsites where they charge or take a % from sellers but it's the SELLERS who deal direct with the customers. So technically to comply with vat rules all sellers would need to be vat registered in the countries they sell to, hence vatmoss system, BUT that's impossible as not all sellers will meet the threshold to need vat registration in their country vatmoss doesn't cover every possible scenario, and all digital product sales are under constantly shifting definition. But yeah in terms of EU VAT, anything not "wholly automated" falls under the same conditions as live webinar, online teaching, doctors advising their patients online etc. So long as there is human negotiation/interaction between seller and customer it should not be subject to VAT.

Vlodina
02-21-2020, 02:54 PM
This VAT thing is really not helping my sales. :/ I don't really want to put my prices down. And I hate the random figures, eg $7.23. *angry face*

SuperPookie
02-21-2020, 05:13 PM
I haven't made a single sale since this. I guess I'll have to price all the videos from now on $1-$2 cheaper.

boyru
02-22-2020, 05:52 AM
i hope customers will use vpn located in cheapest VAT countries :)

lilly90xxx
02-22-2020, 05:52 AM
I am really worried that this VAT thing will kill my sales completely :( There are studios that can afford higher prices, like studios from the top 50, dominas, studios with some hardcore sex scenes, etc, basically, people with big following, doing some extreme stuff, customers will buy their clips anyway.
But for a girl like me doing some basic fetish stuff, with no nudity...who's gonna pay 14,39 for a 10-minute clip where I am showing my hands? 11.99 was a quite reasonable price for that kind of clip. It's not like they will pay 20$ more, but even that 2-3 dollars more will be too expensive for a lot of my customers.And I can't afford to lower my prices, +1$ was a standard for years, customers were ok with that. I am not making tons of money, just a little bit more than the average salary in my country ( but still making clips for that money was better than spend 8 hours in normal work) and lowering my prices for 2 dollars, if it sums up, it will be a quite big loss for me.

PixiieGirl
02-22-2020, 06:02 AM
Hm the thing is re: lowering prices, if this has already applied to MV & IWC anyway then our prices should still be in line with what is paid elsewhere so I don’t think we’d need to?

I got a refund yesterday for a pretty pricy clip :( is it worth me emailing C4S to find out why?

Classy_Katy
02-22-2020, 07:01 AM
My sales lately have all been from the US...not sure if that means VAT is putting off my UK customers or if it's just slow generally for me.

When Adultwork added VAT, it totally killed my movie and gallery sales. They have picked up since but it's taken a long time.

I'm not lowering my prices, the standard rate is already cheap and less than I charge on Adultwork, which has different pricing.

boyru
02-22-2020, 09:54 AM
I am really worried that this VAT thing will kill my sales completely :( There are studios that can afford higher prices, like studios from the top 50, dominas, studios with some hardcore sex scenes, etc, basically, people with big following, doing some extreme stuff, customers will buy their clips anyway.
But for a girl like me doing some basic fetish stuff, with no nudity...who's gonna pay 14,39 for a 10-minute clip where I am showing my hands? 11.99 was a quite reasonable price for that kind of clip. It's not like they will pay 20$ more, but even that 2-3 dollars more will be too expensive for a lot of my customers.And I can't afford to lower my prices, +1$ was a standard for years, customers were ok with that. I am not making tons of money, just a little bit more than the average salary in my country ( but still making clips for that money was better than spend 8 hours in normal work) and lowering my prices for 2 dollars, if it sums up, it will be a quite big loss for me.

You are right!
Absolutely exclusive my clips have prices up to $2.5/minute and now i don't see any reason to buy 40 minutes clips for $125 (old price was $105)
You are luck Girl, if " just a little bit more than the average salary in my country ( but still making clips for that money was better than spend 8 hours in normal work)". Here in russia over 50 millions of us survive in poverty :(

Jessicas_DoE_x
02-22-2020, 05:27 PM
VAT calculation

Rather than us all wasting our time talking about how big cunts C4S are for having done this in the way they have done, lets just focus on how to correct the pricing ourselves??

VAT rate is currently 20%...
So C4S have added 20% onto the cost of each clip (charged to the customer)...
Therefore we need to reduce the price we would originally of sold the clip at by 20% so that the price in the store will show at the price we would of always sold at/our customers are used to paying.

https://www.calculatesomething.com/vat/

justsometwat
02-22-2020, 05:46 PM
I am absolutely not reducing my clip prices. VAT and taxes will be across the board for EU and North America so people will have to get used to the extra tax.

If I have a video that is normally 9.99 and I lower the price by 20% then it is now priced at $8. Now I lose an additional 40% so I have now made $4.80. Now I need to put aside 35% for taxes. I have now made $3.12 on what should be a $9.99 video.

Fuck that.

Jessicas_DoE_x
02-22-2020, 05:56 PM
I am absolutely not reducing my clip prices. VAT and taxes will be across the board for EU and North America so people will have to get used to the extra tax.

If I have a video that is normally 9.99 and I lower the price by 20% then it is now priced at $8. Now I lose an additional 40% so I have now made $4.80. Now I need to put aside 35% for taxes. I have now made $1.68 on what should be a $9.99 video.

Fuck that.


It's a fucking horrible situation for us yes | But the simple reality is that you will either have to do it, or you will simply lose a huge number of customers.
As when they are used to always having to pay $17 per clip, and so begrudingly did that every week/month for years, but then suddenly discover that ''you have raised your prices'' (as that is how they will view it), they quite simply will buy less clips/others will cease buying and instead go to other stores which produce similar content but have taken that 20% hit onto themselves.

Everyone can do whatever they want with their own clip-store, but being stubborn sadly won't earn people money | As a huge number of clip stores will reduce prices, and so customers WILL go there instead.


I personally am gonna have to slash my prices by 10% to try mitigating this.
Don't want to, but I know that when this is added to all USA sales too (90% of my customers), if I don't adapt I will just lose customers, regardless of how much they love my content.

PixiieGirl
02-22-2020, 05:58 PM
VAT calculation

Rather than us all wasting our time talking about how big cunts C4S are for having done this in the way they have done, lets just focus on how to correct the pricing ourselves??

VAT rate is currently 20%...
So C4S have added 20% onto the cost of each clip (charged to the customer)...
Therefore we need to reduce the price we would originally of sold the clip at by 20% so that the price in the store will show at the price we would of always sold at/our customers are used to paying.

https://www.calculatesomething.com/vat/
VAT is different in different countries

tbh Im just leaving mine - if they've been paying it all along on other sites and I didn't realise they can pay it on C4S to lol

oh they mention that theyll be adding US sales tax depending on state to - I dont think we can work it like this tbh cause it's gonna be a different amount for different places

Vlodina
02-22-2020, 06:02 PM
I don't want to reduce my prices but also I simply refuse to go through over 1500 clips changing the prices!

PixiieGirl
02-22-2020, 06:05 PM
I feel like this would be better if they did what every other site does and add it on at checkout so it's clear it's not for us - maybe that can be suggested?