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Jessicas_DoE_x
02-22-2020, 06:06 PM
VAT is different in different countries

tbh Im just leaving mine - if they've been paying it all along on other sites and I didn't realise they can pay it on C4S to lol
oh they mention that theyll be adding US sales tax depending on state to - I dont think we can work it like this tbh cause it's gonna be a different amount for different places

Other site store's have had it priced in automatically for many many years though, and so the prices listed were standard/same as c4s list prices to the customer.

From the customer's side if they are used to buying your new release every 2-weeks for $xx, but suddenly when they now login to buy the clip they see all my prices have risen by $5, the pure simple reality is that they WILL BE PUT OFF by this, and so whilst some will still pay that $5 extra cost per every clip, a large percentage of customers will just reduce the quantity/regularity at which they buy clips due to this.

I'm just gonna reduce all my clip's prices by $1 usd for now.

#

I have asked clips4sale when the VAT for USA customers will start, they say they don't have a set date yet.

Jessicas_DoE_x
02-22-2020, 06:07 PM
I feel like this would be better if they did what every other site does and add it on at checkout so it's clear it's not for us - maybe that can be suggested?

That would be a brilliant idea.
Lets just hope they do it, and do it very soon.

PixiieGirl
02-22-2020, 06:14 PM
Other site store's have had it priced in automatically for many many years though, and so the prices listed were standard/same as c4s list prices to the customer.

From the customer's side if they are used to buying your new release every 2-weeks for $xx, but suddenly when they now login to buy the clip they see all my prices have risen by $5, the pure simple reality is that they WILL BE PUT OFF by this, and so whilst some will still pay that $5 extra cost per every clip, a large percentage of customers will just reduce the quantity/regularity at which they buy clips due to this.

I'm just gonna reduce all my clip's prices by $1 usd for now.

#

I have asked clips4sale when the VAT for USA customers will start, they say they don't have a set date yet.
to be honest I had no idea they charged it until someone said in here the other day! its weird cause I promote my C4S and MV and plenty go for MV even though it would have been more expensive!

Ill send them an email suggesting it tomorrow - late here lol, maybe if more of us do theyll listen? (I mean the applying it at check out thing)

justsometwat
02-22-2020, 06:16 PM
I highly doubt that I will lose customers. Manyvids was already charging VAT and my customers have continued to buy my content even when I raised my prices. Not a single one of them complained when I charged more. Quite a lot of mine use mark up codes as well. I have even had people tribute me more back when they find out that I am not making more than 60% of my commission.

I think people's fan bases are strong enough that they aren't suddenly going to other sellers just because prices are slightly lower. The content probably won't be what they are used to.

Until this is a standard thing and we can see how it affects us we won't really know. I think lowering our prices right out of the gate is a bad idea. People will expect all prices to be less than $1/min and wonder why we wouldn't have charged less in the beginning. Lowering our prices immediately sets a bad precedent for the future. I don't think it is going to be as bad as people are making it out to be.

It's an increase in porn prices, not life saving medicine. They will get over it.

sexysusie
02-22-2020, 06:23 PM
It's a fucking horrible situation for us yes | But the simple reality is that you will either have to do it, or you will simply lose a huge number of customers.
As when they are used to always having to pay $17 per clip, and so begrudingly did that every week/month for years, but then suddenly discover that ''you have raised your prices'' (as that is how they will view it), they quite simply will buy less clips/others will cease buying and instead go to other stores which produce similar content but have taken that 20% hit onto themselves.

Everyone can do whatever they want with their own clip-store, but being stubborn sadly won't earn people money | As a huge number of clip stores will reduce prices, and so customers WILL go there instead.


I personally am gonna have to slash my prices by 10% to try mitigating this.
Don't want to, but I know that when this is added to all USA sales too (90% of my customers), if I don't adapt I will just lose customers, regardless of how much they love my content.

This is counter intuitive. It means you'll work harder/have to produce more just to make the same.

Not fair that producers have to miss out or take a step down in earnings. Stay put there's nothing forcing guys to pay, they will do it if they want to regardless of your price.

Tea4Me
02-22-2020, 06:55 PM
I highly doubt that I will lose customers. Manyvids was already charging VAT and my customers have continued to buy my content even when I raised my prices. Not a single one of them complained when I charged more. Quite a lot of mine use mark up codes as well. I have even had people tribute me more back when they find out that I am not making more than 60% of my commission.

I think people's fan bases are strong enough that they aren't suddenly going to other sellers just because prices are slightly lower. The content probably won't be what they are used to.

Until this is a standard thing and we can see how it affects us we won't really know. I think lowering our prices right out of the gate is a bad idea. People will expect all prices to be less than $1/min and wonder why we wouldn't have charged less in the beginning. Lowering our prices immediately sets a bad precedent for the future. I don't think it is going to be as bad as people are making it out to be.

It's an increase in porn prices, not life saving medicine. They will get over it.


^^^^^^^^^ ALL OF THIS ^^^^^^^^

I create unique fetish content (as do all of us) and no way am I lowering my prices to cover a tax that customers are used to paying on all other goods and services. Clips are a LUXURY. Loyal customers understand this and I highly doubt they are going to 'go elsewhere' for something that is out of our control.

boyru
02-22-2020, 09:56 PM
I create unique fetish content (as do all of us) and no way am I lowering my prices to cover a tax that customers are used to paying on all other goods and services. Clips are a LUXURY.

Me too. But my customers know about U.S. billing (my pay site since 2001) without VAT taxes. And they ask me to sell HOT clips on that place, not on C4S. What should I do?

boyru
02-25-2020, 11:21 AM
Before VAT: earnings ~$23/day.
With VAT: earnings ~$10/day.

PixiieGirl
02-25-2020, 11:49 AM
You’ll need a longer time frame to draw any meaningful conclusions - I totally forgot to email my suggestion of adding VAT at the checkout, will do it Thursday when I get back from trip

boyru
02-25-2020, 09:56 PM
You’ll need a longer time frame to draw any meaningful conclusions - I totally forgot to email my suggestion of adding VAT at the checkout, will do it Thursday when I get back from trip

I see the difference since first day of VAT added to checks.
80% of visitors shocked, when see $20.39 for 30 minutes clip.
I need to film 25 minutes long clips, to sell them with lowest price ($13.99 without VAT).
But 25 minutes of MOUTH FETISH or VORE is really hard for Girls.

PixiieGirl
02-26-2020, 12:54 AM
I’m just saying to get meaningful data you need to give it longer

My degree is in research the data you have now won’t be that meaningful - give it a month at least

boyru
02-26-2020, 02:33 AM
...
- give it a month at least

Okay, let we see!
Thank You!

SFHS
02-26-2020, 08:08 AM
Anybody else showing zero hits on their store today?

justsometwat
02-26-2020, 08:11 AM
Mine is but I wonder if it's connected to the issue with uploading?

CatBBW
02-26-2020, 08:33 AM
Anybody else showing zero hits on their store today?

Yep! Thought I was invisible.

takiaya
02-26-2020, 12:45 PM
Anybody else showing zero hits on their store today?

Mine shows 21 hits today and one $2 my part sale lmao. I have had 13 updates go live this week so far and only one sale @[email protected]

Jessicas_DoE_x
02-27-2020, 01:11 PM
There must seriously be a few real thickos working in the clips4sale management team, for them to have thought it was a smart idea of add this increased VAT price onto the prices we the producers list clips at | Rather than adding it at checkout (like every other company does) :: With it clearly marked as being a 20% added VAT cost!

Whilst yes time will show the impact, it would just be naive, foolish, and quite frankly delusional for anyone to genuinely believe that you (we) won't get less sales because our customers are all so loyal and love the content we produce... ect

My content for my core-brand truely is unique (no other brand does anything similar too it even), and so I do have a very loyal customer base of 25-30 customers who buy every single new match video release every 2-weeks, and have done for 2-years now!

But so whilst they will still love my content after the price-hike, and so will keep buying it, they WILL for 100% certain fact be put-off by having to pay a higher price for the exact same content as previously, and so WILL try to delay the gap between purchases for as long as possible (as in their mind this content is now costing them more thus less 'inviting/desirable' to buy).


If anyone on here truely believes your customers won't mind at all/It won't lower your sales per month at all then you either are a fool for thinking that :: Or are a fool for not having just hiked your own prices by 20% 1-year ago! LOL
(As with your logic you'd of made 20% more money over this past year if you'd done so)

#

I'm not aiming that at anyone on here just to say, plus get we are all in the same boar being fucked over by clips4sale...
But hopefully if enough people bombard them with emails demanding for our list-prices to not be changed / and instead for VAT to be added at checkout + clearly marked as being a VAT tax added by clip4sale (not by us) they may listen! *_*

justsometwat
02-27-2020, 01:44 PM
I'd imagine that we would make less sales when someone adds $20 worth of video and goes to check out and now it is $24. Personally I would rather see how much I am paying before I get to the checkout, maybe I didn't budget for an extra 20% and there it is. Should there be a disclaimer for VAT? Yes, there could be a pop up that the customer has to acknowledge that says that there is a VAT charge and that it is added to the store's prices to show you what you will be paying for the video altogether (clip price + VAT).

Calling us naive, foolish, and delusional isn't nice, you have absolutely no idea what will happen, because it hasn't been going for very long. It's also just plain rude. Your opinion isn't any more valuable than anyone else's nor does it make us wrong and you right.

I spoke with a customer today that asked me which site I preferred, I told him which one gives me the higher cut. He said he preferred one of the other sites but would make up the difference in other days - tributes, gift cards, gifts, etc. He clearly does not mind giving me that 20% difference, so why would he care when it's out of my control? Many others have this same mindset - it's not the model's fault so why punish them?

I have been doing this for almost 10 years. I started off not charging very much and have been increasing prices over time. I have done around 20% price increases - as I have said - and not a single person complained, nor did my sales become negatively impacted.

Will some people be put off? Sure, but if they want the videos they will have to get used to VAT and e-commerce tax where applicable because it's unavoidable. You do not know for sure that they will have spending gaps, that is information gathered over time, not a couple weeks, but a larger amount of time to gain any real insight into how things are. Sales wax and wane for a very large portion of us. Some have stellar months when others are having shitty months, then reverse. Some months are just genuinely bad. Right about now I'd imagine sales will start becoming impacted because it's tax season. Some might even be waiting on their refund to spend more, so it's hard to say what is causing issues here - if any at all.

I am right on track this month in terms of earnings.

You come in here and insult people, but act like you're not. It wouldn't be very nice if I told you I thought you were stupid for lowering your prices by 20% to offset the additional VAT charge even though it was only JUST implemented. EU customers KNOW about VAT, they understand how it works. None of them should be surprised at the additional cost as US states with E-commerce tax shouldn't be either.

Jessicas_DoE_x
02-27-2020, 02:02 PM
I have done around 20% price increases - as I have said - and not a single person complained, nor did my sales become negatively impacted.

You come in here and insult people, but act like you're not. It wouldn't be very nice if I told you I thought you were stupid for lowering your prices by 20% to offset the additional VAT charge even though it was only JUST implemented. EU customers KNOW about VAT, they understand how it works. None of them should be surprised at the additional cost as US states with E-commerce tax shouldn't be either.


Ok well if that's true why don't you just increase ALL of your clips prices by an extra 20% more now then??
*Since as you say it wouldn't have any impact on your sales, as all your customers would still be totally fine to pay that higher price.


I haven't lowered my clip prices yet, but will probably reduce them all by $1, and then send a bulk-email to all my customers letting them clearly know again that it's clips4sale who have added this extra charge onto all their clips not me, but from my side as a ''gesture of good-will'' I have reduced the price of all clips down by $1.
*That $1 reduction is gonna be pretty minimal to me (based on selling 50-60 clips per month on average) | However will hopefully go an extremely long way in terms of customer-service/loyalty, as will show my customers that I am on their side & done what I could to actually mitigate the price-hike for them.


If your customers would all be totally fine with paying 20% more than what you have been charging them, And you genuinely believe you could hike your prices by 20% without it reducing your sales at all...
Well I then just find it extremely bizzare & baffling why you haven't already hiked your prices by an extra 20%?? ;D

TXCamgirl
02-27-2020, 02:20 PM
Does anybody know where I can buy cheap gay porn pictures with 2257 information to use in my videos? I know c4s was suppose to crack down on people using them without having the copyrights and 2257 information but I still see tons of performers using pictures they found on Google.

I'd rather due it legally though.

justsometwat
02-27-2020, 02:27 PM
As I have said several times before I HAVE increased my prices. I don't know why I need to keep saying that? There's a big difference between having a site throw a 20% vat charge on your clip prices and increasing your pricing by 20% because you decided to.

Why wouldn't you have reduced your prices by $1 if you think it would help with customer loyalty? If you can afford to charge less, why aren't you?

I have gone through my clips and increased all of my prices, I did this last year.

Jessicas_DoE_x
02-27-2020, 02:49 PM
I meant why didn't you increase them why ANOTHER 20% (ontop of your previous price increase) before this 20% vat increase came along??

As you say you increased all your prices by 20% previously, and that this extra 20% price rise (enforced by clips4sale) won't have impact on your sales....
But so if you honestly believe that why didn't you just set all your prices at this current price yourself months ago?? ;D


And the reason why I didn't previously reduce my prices by $1 is because there was no issue which would/will rattle customer loyalty, until now! 8)
I/everyone else set our prices at the levels we chose..., and for months/years our customers have been used to paying those prices, and thus accepted them.
(Ofcourse everyone would prefer to pay less for a product which they want | But retailers ofcourse always try to find the ''equilibrum sales-price'', and I had found that).


Yes I could of reduced my prices previously (and did sample lower/higher prices when I 1st started), but my current pricing of $17.99 for clips featuring 2-girls & lasting 9-13minutes length turned out to the the 'equilibrum sales-price', and thus I used that pricing structure.

I could ofcourse reduced my prices by $1 previously, but had no need to, as it wouldn't of brought in more new customers (purely meant i'd of earnt less £ per month).
But now with this 20% price-hike (so $2.5 - $4 increase per clip) will be a smack in the face to all loyal customers, who are now gonna be forced to pay out more money every month for the same product.
And so producers who display arrogance towards them by saying:
''Well my videos are a premium luxury, so this price hike is your problem not mine, if you ain't willing to pay more then f**k off as I ain't gonna budge at all from my side to help mitigate this price-hike, instead you have to bear 100% of the brunt yourself!'' ...... Will hopefully suffer badly financially as a result of this! ;D:D

naomi_doll
02-27-2020, 02:56 PM
And so producers who display arrogance towards them by saying:
''Well my videos are a premium luxury, so this price hike is your problem not mine, if you ain't willing to pay more then f**k off as I ain't gonna budge at all from my side to help mitigate this price-hike, instead you have to bear 100% of the brunt yourself!'' ...... Will hopefully suffer badly financially as a result of this! ;D:D

Why would you happily wish that your peers would suffer badly financially? Even if you disagree with them, thats just nasty.

justsometwat
02-27-2020, 03:01 PM
Good God, there's no reasoning with you. Reading comprehension. This is one dumbass conversation that is absolutely going nowhere. I don't like going in circles, you're free too but I'm not. Have fun lowering your pricing to appeal to the angry masses. I'm sure it works well for you.

Jessicas_DoE_x
02-27-2020, 03:06 PM
Why would you happily wish that your peers would suffer badly financially? Even if you disagree with them, thats just nasty.

They are not ''my peers'', are simply just random anonymous people who happen to run a business/clip-store in the same industry as I do.

I have met & worked with 100s of people in this industry, and whilst a few people are ones who I actually like & think highly off, the majority are girls who I merely 'tolerated for the duration I needed to', but not people who I personally would seek to have any form of contact or association with beyond that.
(I know lots of people get all mushy about others who happen to work in this industry for some reason | I am not one of those people though!) lol


And the reason why I hope people who display arrogance suffer financially is because I personally have an extremely low dim view of those people | And so find it mildy amusing when they get stung as a result of their own arrogance! ;D8)

Djoser
02-27-2020, 05:57 PM
...I have met & worked with 100s of people in this industry, and whilst a few people are ones who I actually like & think highly off, the majority are girls who I merely 'tolerated for the duration I needed to', but not people who I personally would seek to have any form of contact or association with beyond that.

Well then, why are you here? Associating with people in the industry.

Classy_Katy
02-28-2020, 06:40 AM
There's another way of looking at lowering your prices...your customers may think you're saying - "I don't think you can afford my clips with VAT added and I'm going to partonise you by lowering the prices" or "I don't have faith in the quality of my clips to think you will still buy them at an extra cost that you're used to paying on other purchases" or "I don't think you have any taste and you just buy clips that are cheap, and a single dollar is enough to make the difference to you."

PixiieGirl
02-28-2020, 07:19 AM
its all personal choice and circumstances ultimately - clips aren't the majority of my income as I cam - and thats where I make most of my money. Heck, C4S isn't even my main clip site anymore either - so Im just gonna leave my prices. They're industry standard pricing, and my customers have been paying VAT elsewhere anyway - and happily so/not going to C4S even though they wouldnt have had to pay VAT. I dont think theres any need to attack folk over what they choose to do ultimately, its none of my business how others run their business tbh

CatBBW
02-28-2020, 07:22 AM
I've lost my "Studio Global Rank #" even though I have had recent sales (one just a few hours ago). I just have the standard message that you see when you haven't had recent sales.

Anyone else?


EDIT = C4S are looking into it.

Tea4Me
02-28-2020, 09:22 AM
I just wonder when they are going to fix the upload issues....?

SFHS
02-28-2020, 10:03 AM
I just wonder when they are going to fix the upload issues....?

The whole store administration area has been running poorly all of February. I'm constantly getting error pages and right now on my sales page February 26th is missing.

fetishqueen
02-28-2020, 10:44 AM
Well said Pixiie!

Don't feed the troll, people.

Kayden
02-29-2020, 04:45 AM
It shows more than double what the VAT rate in my country is? Anyone else? I think couple of days ago it showed correctly.

27.99 clip shows as 40.98 (yikes)

27.99*0.21 (VAT in my country)=5.88
27.99+5.88=33.87 not 40.98

PixiieGirl
02-29-2020, 06:39 AM
It shows more than double what the VAT rate in my country is? Anyone else? I think couple of days ago it showed correctly.

27.99 clip shows as 40.98 (yikes)

27.99*0.21 (VAT in my country)=5.88
27.99+5.88=33.87 not 40.98
its showing correctly in my country (UK)

MissAdriana
02-29-2020, 09:28 AM
These uploading issues need to be fixed this is ridiculous. What is taking so long and why? They must only have 1 person and not a team thatch the only way I can understand it's taking so long ... unless the new VAT screwed up the upload system maybe ?

Candy_Women
02-29-2020, 02:07 PM
These uploading issues need to be fixed this is ridiculous. What is taking so long and why? They must only have 1 person and not a team thatch the only way I can understand it's taking so long ... unless the new VAT screwed up the upload system maybe ?


I agree, upload issues should be prioritized. Today, I can't add clips to my store again :(

lilly90xxx
02-29-2020, 03:10 PM
I agree, upload issues should be prioritized. Today, I can't add clips to my store again :(


Hmmm...I was uploading my files yesterday and today just fine, using the uploader in the admin area, so that's weird, I thought they fixed that for everyone :P Yesterday I was seeing that pop-up notification that there is a problem and they are working on it, today it's not showing anymore.

But definitely this month was full of problems with uploading for me like it was taking ages even when I have a great internet speed, or it was ending uploading a file and starting uploading it all over again...
Sometimes I feel they just can't fix things properly, every week is a new exciting glitch ;D

HelenaVixen
03-01-2020, 10:42 AM
Hi everyone I apologize if this has been mentioned or talked about (I read pages before this but couldnt find anything but then again I'm pretty much blind lol) but has anyone noticed a decrease in sales since VAT had been introduced? I know some ladies in here mentioned it a little before but good god ever since it's been pushed, I've gotten little to no sales. At first I thought it was something wrong with my clip store bc the difference is absolutely drastic but it seems to be okay. Also, the clips that are selling are from other countries when beforehand they were mainly from the United States. I went from having about 15 sales a week to about 4. Thank god I'm on other platforms bc this couldve really hurt me. And all the other platforms I'm on are working and making sales fine. Its clips4sale that's been acting crazy.

CatBBW
03-01-2020, 02:59 PM
Hi everyone I apologize if this has been mentioned or talked about (I read pages before this but couldnt find anything but then again I'm pretty much blind lol) but has anyone noticed a decrease in sales since VAT had been introduced? I know some ladies in here mentioned it a little before but good god ever since it's been pushed, I've gotten little to no sales. At first I thought it was something wrong with my clip store bc the difference is absolutely drastic but it seems to be okay. Also, the clips that are selling are from other countries when beforehand they were mainly from the United States. I went from having about 15 sales a week to about 4. Thank god I'm on other platforms bc this couldve really hurt me. And all the other platforms I'm on are working and making sales fine. Its clips4sale that's been acting crazy.

Yes. Both sales and store views have fallen off a cliff. I am sitting it out and not changing anything and waiting for customers to get used to it etc.

justsometwat
03-01-2020, 03:20 PM
My sales and hits all seem pretty normal. I've gotten a lot of sales from places that are charged vat. I typically get a lot of customers from places that do charge vat and I haven't seen any decrease in that.

I'm sure once the initial shock is gone people will return, especially if vat and e-commerce tax is a common thing across all adult websites :)

FindomAlexandra
03-01-2020, 10:25 PM
Clips4sale owner is very helpful with questions and inquiries once I contacted Neil he answered immidiatly

HelenaVixen
03-02-2020, 02:19 PM
Yes. Both sales and store views have fallen off a cliff. I am sitting it out and not changing anything and waiting for customers to get used to it etc.

Thank you so much for responding! Meant to say that most of my sales come from out of the country instead of the US but....words lol I really hope it goes back to normal after a couple of weeks. This reminds me of when Ubereats started adding a "service fee" like we wouldnt notice. I got mad and deleted the app.


Only to add it back once I was lazy and hungry that following week lol.

I'm still mad though. But I likes my food to come to me. Hopefully customers will feel the same.

Jessicas_DoE_x
03-02-2020, 02:59 PM
Thank you so much for responding! Meant to say that most of my sales come from out of the country instead of the US but....words lol I really hope it goes back to normal after a couple of weeks.


The simple (but true) reality is that it's not the additional 'sum of money' which would/is putting guys off buying clips now | It instead is ''the principle'' of it.

I personally am a male producer (commercial level) so honestly can tell you exactly how the male mind truely works in regards to porn, as trust me some of the posts in the last page seriously haven't got a clue how us blokes actually think when it comes to paying for porn. ;D


No guy has ever ever ever ''enjoyed'' paying for porn, however a very small percentage of the male population are willing to pay for content which is catered specifically to their exact fetish, plus is content of a theme/style which simply isn't available for free on pornhub.
So none of our customers actually 'want to pay' for the conent we producer, but are willing to do it as they know we provide top quality content which is exactly what they seek.


I personally run 4 different brands/clip-stores, with my biggest brand having approx 40 regular customers who buy every single new match video release (1 per every 2-weeks).
I have always priced my clips at premimum pricing ($17.99 - $21.99 for 8-12 minute clips) | But yep for 2+ years I have topped my category every single week with virtually every single new video release, as customers were/are willing to pay premium for content which is simply not available from anywhere else in the exact same theme that I produce content.

However whilst guys are willing to pay for our content, and so in the grand scheme of things paying an extra $2-3 per clip won't bankupt them, it's not the cost that is the issue, it's ''the principle''!
They are used to coming to our clipstore every 1-2 weeks, paying the exact same fixed-price, and getting the video in return.
HOWEVER now suddenly when they come to your clip-store they are shocked to see that you've increased your prices up by $2-3, and so they now are having to pay more money for exact same thing | And thus ofcourse they won't be amused or happy about that! :-X
You probably have a favourite pizza shop where you go & buy your pizzas from | But whilst you may love their pizzas, if next time you went in you saw they have hiked their prices, whilst yes you will still keep buying pizzas from there as you like their taste, in your mind you would now try to 'delay the gap between purchases' by as much as possible (even if only sub-conciously) due to that higher price.


The best advice I can share is that COMMUNICATION MATTERS now! :)
It may seem like a pretty hollow gesture to you, but seriously for those customers on your mailing list, if YOU message them explaining to them clearly that it's clips4sale adding this charge, you personally are disgusted by the fact that clips4sale are charging them the customer more, make it clear that not a single penny of that money is going to you, and that you personally are on the customer's side and want to try offering them clips for the lowest price you possibly can afford to.... THAT will mean a massive amount to your customers.

I personally have sent out 3 emails to my customers over the past 2-weeks (1st explaining to my UK & EU customers why prices had been hiked + making it clear that it was c4s fucking them over not me / 2nd saying the same for USA guys, but letting them know I was on their side so would cut all my prices by $1 as a gesture of customer-appreciation for their loyalty / and then 3rd today letting them know that the $1 price drop has now been done)....
And have already had a few messages back (via Twitter) from customers saying my gesture means a massive amount to them, as it makes them feel that I actually value & appreciate them as loyal customers.


Everyone in this industry is a lone-wolf, running our own businesses, and so it makes no real difference to me what prices other producers sell their content at.

But hopefully this post will benefit some of you by making you understand that even if you aren't willing to reduce your prices at all, merely just messaging your customers and empathising with them + actually apologise to them for this price hike by c4s, will genuinely mean alot to your customers.

lilly90xxx
03-02-2020, 03:12 PM
One thing I noticed - the prices in our stores are higher, yes. But if you go to your store using that "new" advanced search, the prices are the same as always and the vat is added at the checkout...So it's just how some of us wanted it to be, but to be fair I don't know how many customers use that "new c4s", and now it can be even more confusing for them.

HelenaVixen
03-02-2020, 03:15 PM
The simple (but true) reality is that it's not the additional 'sum of money' which would/is putting guys off buying clips now | It instead is ''the principle'' of it.

I personally am a male producer (commercial level) so honestly can tell you exactly how the male mind truely works in regards to porn, as trust me some of the posts in the last page seriously haven't got a clue how us blokes actually think when it comes to paying for porn. ;D


No guy has ever ever ever ''enjoyed'' paying for porn, however a very small percentage of the male population are willing to pay for content which is catered specifically to their exact fetish, plus is content of a theme/style which simply isn't available for free on pornhub.
So none of our customers actually 'want to pay' for the conent we producer, but are willing to do it as they know we provide top quality content which is exactly what they seek.


I personally run 4 different brands/clip-stores, with my biggest brand having approx 40 regular customers who buy every single new match video release (1 per every 2-weeks).
I have always priced my clips at premimum pricing ($17.99 - $21.99 for 8-12 minute clips) | But yep for 2+ years I have topped my category every single week with virtually every single new video release, as customers were/are willing to pay premium for content which is simply not available from anywhere else in the exact same theme that I produce content.

However whilst guys are willing to pay for our content, and so in the grand scheme of things paying an extra $2-3 per clip won't bankupt them, it's not the cost that is the issue, it's ''the principle''!
They are used to coming to our clipstore every 1-2 weeks, paying the exact same fixed-price, and getting the video in return.
HOWEVER now suddenly when they come to your clip-store they are shocked to see that you've increased your prices up by $2-3, and so they now are having to pay more money for exact same thing | And thus ofcourse they won't be amused or happy about that! :-X
You probably have a favourite pizza shop where you go & buy your pizzas from | But whilst you may love their pizzas, if next time you went in you saw they have hiked their prices, whilst yes you will still keep buying pizzas from there as you like their taste, in your mind you would now try to 'delay the gap between purchases' by as much as possible (even if only sub-conciously) due to that higher price.


The best advice I can share is that COMMUNICATION MATTERS now! :)
It may seem like a pretty hollow gesture to you, but seriously for those customers on your mailing list, if YOU message them explaining to them clearly that it's clips4sale adding this charge, you personally are disgusted by the fact that clips4sale are charging them the customer more, make it clear that not a single penny of that money is going to you, and that you personally are on the customer's side and want to try offering them clips for the lowest price you possibly can afford to.... THAT will mean a massive amount to your customers.

I personally have sent out 3 emails to my customers over the past 2-weeks (1st explaining to my UK & EU customers why prices had been hiked + making it clear that it was c4s fucking them over not me / 2nd saying the same for USA guys, but letting them know I was on their side so would cut all my prices by $1 as a gesture of customer-appreciation for their loyalty / and then 3rd today letting them know that the $1 price drop has now been done)....
And have already had a few messages back (via Twitter) from customers saying my gesture means a massive amount to them, as it makes them feel that I actually value & appreciate them as loyal customers.


Everyone in this industry is a lone-wolf, running our own businesses, and so it makes no real difference to me what prices other producers sell their content at.

But hopefully this post will benefit some of you by making you understand that even if you aren't willing to reduce your prices at all, merely just messaging your customers and empathising with them + actually apologise to them for this price hike by c4s, will genuinely mean alot to your customers.


Holy shit, great post!!! Seriously, one of the first things I've said when prices change randomly is "Its not the money ITS THE PRINCIPLE!" I never thought about it being applied to this situation. Amazing advice, I'll be messaging my email list today and lowering my price a bit to show I genuinely appreciate them. Again, thank you!

Djoser
03-02-2020, 05:11 PM
I personally am a male producer...

You are apparently registered as a female member. We need to straighten that out as it's totally against the rules here.

Jessicas_DoE_x
03-02-2020, 05:37 PM
You are apparently registered as a female member. We need to straighten that out as it's totally against the rules here.

When I 1st started in this industry I was working in association with my former girlfriend | But as back then she was doing more social media stuff than me she setup accounts on forums (such as this) using her details/gender. :)
Myself & her parted company 1.5 years ago now though, and she now has no involement or stake whatsoever in any of my businesses or brands.


Ultimately this website is purely a message board forum, nothing more, and so whatever gender people may choose to identify as is quite frank irrelevant/makes no actual difference to anyone! ;D

There isn't the ability for people to change gender in the control panel on here though | But if you as admin wish to change my account's gender to male, well I personally have no issues with that, as am fine to identify as a male. :)

justsometwat
03-03-2020, 07:12 PM
I wonder if all of the issues on the back end like upload issues, stats being messed up, studio emails not working right, etc are all a sign of them making behind the scenes changes. They announced the MindGeek thing then didn't really say anything again.

After that survey they did asking about features and stats I wondered if they were trying to implement those. I hope so! They had some nice features that would really help with gathering info on sales.

That or they fudged it all up when they added the coding in to adjust prices to show VAT. :p

laurielegs
03-04-2020, 07:53 AM
I wonder if all of the issues on the back end like upload issues, stats being messed up, studio emails not working right, etc are all a sign of them making behind the scenes changes. They announced the MindGeek thing then didn't really say anything again.

After that survey they did asking about features and stats I wondered if they were trying to implement those. I hope so! They had some nice features that would really help with gathering info on sales.

That or they fudged it all up when they added the coding in to adjust prices to show VAT. :p

I hope that's what it is.

I'm really disappointed they never did anything with Customs4u when they bought it. It just redirects to clips4sale front page, useless. Still no way for a customer to just click and buy a custom like I was hoping.

justsometwat
03-04-2020, 08:06 AM
I had completely forgotten about C4U! I was really excited when they bought it. It was finally a way to make money with customs and be able to advertise it on c4s.

I get a good number of customs from iwantclips, I am sure my clips4sale customers would love being able to order videos through c4s too.

It kinda seems like they aren't going to do anything with it.