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boyru
07-30-2021, 01:58 AM
very very ... :(
Tea4Me
08-11-2021, 08:37 AM
Whoa! Anyone read the new message in the admin?? (Not the compliance stuff) Any thoughts?
Felicia[FightServ]
08-11-2021, 10:14 AM
Whoa! Anyone read the new message in the admin?? (Not the compliance stuff) Any thoughts?
I've only had limited experience with the Centro network, but am more optimistic about them compared to MindGeek. I wish this could've happened sooner, to be honest.
The compliance timeline might've been more forgiving with Centro compared the MG, since Pornhub misconduct was basically the CAUSE of all the changes.
boyru
08-11-2021, 10:25 AM
Whoa! Anyone read the new message in the admin?? (Not the compliance stuff) Any thoughts?
i have never heard about centro and mindgeek
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
08-11-2021, 11:11 AM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Clips4Sale joins the Centro Family
Clips4Sale Continues to Grow, now with the additional stability and support of Centro!
(Tampa, FL) Clips4Sale (C4S), the video market leader, is pleased to announce that it has been fully acquired by Centro Ventures, the leading adult influencer network and international provider of e-commerce billing. While C4S will continue to operate independently, this acquisition will provide additional stability, support and expertise from the Centro team. C4S looks forward to propelling its growth as both teams work towards their shared goal of successfully serving C4S customers, models, and studios.
“I am excited for this new chapter of Clips4Sale with the growth opportunity that Centro offers in terms of stability, support and processing for our loyal Studios, Models, and Customers.” said Neil, founder of C4S. “I will remain on board to ensure a smooth transition and I am looking forward to the continued growth of C4S with Centro.”
The team at Centro was inspired by the strong potential of Clips4Sale, as well as its dominance in the clip market space. They were further motivated by the opportunity to provide C4S with additional stability and reliable processing through Centro’s products. C4S is similarly excited to collaborate with Centro, a formidable organization that shares its core values: delivering success, fostering community and inclusiveness, and maintaining trust in the clip space.
With this acquisition, C4S will enhance their services and offer top-of-the-line support. This includes the establishment of a 24/7 support hotline to address the needs of studios and educational resources specifically designed to teach creators how to increase traffic, streamline content creation, and maximize payouts, in addition to providing the best possible end-user experience. By leveraging Centro payout services, payouts will soon be bi-weekly, in line with Centro’s diligent payout schedule.
“Clips4Sale has been a force in the industry for the past 18 years,” said Stan D’aman of Centro. “The sense of community they have built with their creators and customers is incredible. We are indeed very excited to have them as a part of the Centro family and intend to continue Neil’s legacy of providing exceptional customer service for C4S studios.”
Both Centro and C4S recognize the importance of providing customers, producers, and models with the best support and most reliable services in the industry. Through this acquisition, they will continue to deliver outstanding products and exceptional customer service.
The C4S operational team will remain in place as part of the acquisition by Centro. In addition, C4S’s current partnership with MindGeek will come to an end at the close of 2021.
All media inquiries about Clips4Sale and their models and producers should be directed to
[email protected]
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
08-11-2021, 11:22 AM
;3240932']I've only had limited experience with the Centro network, but am more optimistic about them compared to MindGeek. I wish this could've happened sooner, to be honest.
The compliance timeline might've been more forgiving with Centro compared the MG, since Pornhub misconduct was basically the CAUSE of all the changes.
The changes are due to MASTERCARD and go into effect for all adult (XXX and Fetish) sites who accept MC as of October 15th. VISA's compliance rules are expected to be in-line with MCs when they are announced.
Robert De Niro
08-11-2021, 07:50 PM
tons of content will be coming down by Oct 15th
doesn't matter if content is solo or 50 people orgy
2257 and model releases are required
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257
this has been required for years but due to mindgeek/pornhub allowing anyone with an email to upload video, cc companies are forcing payment processors to ensure that these are followed and platforms will be going hard to implement this
this is good for legal creators, at least you have time to film new compliant content if you didn't before.
what's bad is this isn't required for pirate sites or pirate enablers such as megaupload, rapidgator, k2c etc.
those who play by the rules get shafted. :O
this is why you need to be HARD on piracy, you're shackled while they enjoy all benefits.
At the bottom of the page it asks for intermediary bank info and i have no idea what that is...can someone help plis!!!
talk to c4s
from what i know about paxum, you only need email address.
boyru
08-11-2021, 11:01 PM
c4s can not protect us from pirate sites!!!
laurielegs
08-11-2021, 11:53 PM
Biweekly payouts will be awesome.
I really hope the centralized dashboard can be a reality soon for those of us who run multiple stores. Would make it so much easier!
naughtybustyteen
08-12-2021, 07:39 AM
Biweekly payouts will be awesome.
I really hope the centralized dashboard can be a reality soon for those of us who run multiple stores. Would make it so much easier!
are they doing biweekly payout now???
Because that would be so welcome.
laurielegs
08-12-2021, 09:34 AM
are they doing biweekly payout now???
Because that would be so welcome.
Not yet, but according to the post:
By leveraging Centro payout services, payouts will soon be bi-weekly, in line with Centro’s diligent payout schedule.
space_cowgirl
08-12-2021, 01:15 PM
I found a good resource for the model consent forms here: https://sophieladder.com/files/
laurielegs
08-13-2021, 08:47 AM
I found a good resource for the model consent forms here: https://sophieladder.com/files/
I'm looking at that form and it looks like you have to put in a video description. Do we really have to generate a different form for every single video? I'm a solo performer and this isn't making sense to me. How can I consent to my own self, lol.
I've emailed C4S. I don't think they are being very clear about how to do this for solo performers.
laurielegs
08-13-2021, 09:04 AM
OK here is the answer I got from C4S support about my solo content:
___________________
Yes, make a Performer Compliance Profile for yourself with your Photo ID and a general consent and content release for all content (videos and images) on your store posted currently and in the future.
We can not provide an example document, we strongly suggest that Studio Owners speak with an attorney in their area so they can draft a legally compliant consent form for the area where you live / shoot. Laws vary in states and countries so there is no generic form to share.
1B of Mastercard’s Revised Standards for New Specialty Merchant Registration Requirements for Adult Content Merchants states:
Requires the content provider to obtain and keep on record written consent from all persons depicted in the content specific to the following areas:
• Consent to be depicted in the content
• Consent to allow for the public distribution of the content and to upload the content to the Merchant’s website
• If the content will be made available for downloading by other users, consent to have the content downloaded
Please join us live on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, at 2:00 pm for our Compliance Webinar with attorney Corey Silverstein and Dariusz to discuss and review some key compliance questions.
space_cowgirl
08-13-2021, 02:34 PM
OK here is the answer I got from C4S support about my solo content:
___________________
Yes, make a Performer Compliance Profile for yourself with your Photo ID and a general consent and content release for all content (videos and images) on your store posted currently and in the future.
We can not provide an example document, we strongly suggest that Studio Owners speak with an attorney in their area so they can draft a legally compliant consent form for the area where you live / shoot. Laws vary in states and countries so there is no generic form to share.
1B of Mastercard’s Revised Standards for New Specialty Merchant Registration Requirements for Adult Content Merchants states:
Requires the content provider to obtain and keep on record written consent from all persons depicted in the content specific to the following areas:
• Consent to be depicted in the content
• Consent to allow for the public distribution of the content and to upload the content to the Merchant’s website
• If the content will be made available for downloading by other users, consent to have the content downloaded
Please join us live on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, at 2:00 pm for our Compliance Webinar with attorney Corey Silverstein and Dariusz to discuss and review some key compliance questions.
Yeah, I'm not sure if the form created by the link to the generator I posted will work, either. C4S sent me the same cut/paste answer. Ugh. Like we are each going to go to an attorney.
laurielegs
08-13-2021, 02:39 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure if the form created by the link to the generator I posted will work, either. C4S sent me the same cut/paste answer. Ugh. Like we are each going to go to an attorney.
I would think an attorney would be a good idea for those who use videos with others in them.
The thing is though, for solo content producers it's not like we are going to sue ourselves for posting our own videos so I'm wondering if just including all those points mentioned in a form is enough.
To me there is no purpose for it except protecting C4S and them having it on file that we consent for them to sell our vids for us and have them downloaded by customers.
boyru
08-13-2021, 10:53 PM
i have just returned from journey, but all of my Girls are outside of city and i can not re-sign english written papers, we sign all of them in russian
most of them will back after Sept 05th (from Greece, India, Turkey, Baikal, Altai)
what should i do?
Growlerpussy
08-13-2021, 11:26 PM
HI,
does anyone know what an "only audio" studio should do? I send C4S a message but they didn't reply yet. Thanks
MissAdriana
08-14-2021, 04:58 PM
We can not provide an example document, we strongly suggest that Studio Owners speak with an attorney in their area so they can draft a legally compliant consent form for the area where you live / shoot. Laws vary in states and countries so there is no generic form to share.
LMFAO alright bye c4s! It was fun while it lasted. I'm sure for some ladies that is actually worth it but not me. I replaced the income from this site awhile ago with other sites and other work. Neither of which require this junk. And thank god I did because sales have plummeted to nothing. Still running your site like it's '99 I see. Literally every other website can provide this document except you.
justsometwat
08-14-2021, 05:33 PM
My sales are god awful and have been for the last year. Every other site is doing great, except c4s. I don't understand what happened there.
kayky
08-15-2021, 03:08 AM
...For the rest of August (10th - 31st) we want studios to review the changes, begin updating your accounts with your Compliance Details, and start creating Performer Compliance Profiles for NEW CLIPS that are being posted. Changes include the following:...
It clearly states that Performer Compliance documents are needed for NEW content only, there is no need to go and edit old clips with documents. Right?
Tea4Me
08-16-2021, 11:48 AM
I've been seeing the comments on here about the poor sales on C4S and I had to chime in with my own experience.
It seemed like something changed last year....more traffic or advertising? My October and December were both record sales months for me. Granted those are usually two of the best sales months out of the year anyway.... But the difference from my previous best months was HUGE.
And again this year, months I didn't put in as much effort and I still had decent sales months. Summers usually aren't great months, but I had my 2nd best June, my best July ever and August is already on track for being my best August ever and it's only the 16th (and August is usually the slowest month out of the 3!).
I realize that this might come off as braggy, which was not my intention and why I was hesitant to say anything at all. But I have to say, I'm really happy with my sales on there. I've definitely noticed a (positive) difference on there in sales and looking back, it all started around October 2020.
space_cowgirl
08-16-2021, 12:28 PM
HI,
does anyone know what an "only audio" studio should do? I send C4S a message but they didn't reply yet. Thanks
I'm interested in hearing what they say. I'm assuming they will want us to do a consent form as a solo performer just like video? I guess?
justsometwat
08-16-2021, 02:33 PM
I dont think it's braggy. Honestly I am glad others have success because that means the site isn't dead. What category do you post the most in? I think that plays into it a lot, so many flocking to the same handful of categories and it's just flooding it making it harder to be seen.
Tea4Me
08-16-2021, 03:47 PM
I dont think it's braggy. Honestly I am glad others have success because that means the site isn't dead. What category do you post the most in? I think that plays into it a lot, so many flocking to the same handful of categories and it's just flooding it making it harder to be seen.
I actually post in a variety of categories and try to add new ones once in a while. Perhaps that has something to do with it... bringing new eyes to my store? I don't know. And I know what you mean about over-saturated categories. There was one category like that that I gave up on a while ago.
I like to combine fetishes in clips so when I post them, it gives me more options of where to put them.
Do you post primarily in one category or do you have some categories that you like to rotate through?
justsometwat
08-18-2021, 09:10 AM
Anyone else getting hit with a lot of chargebacks? Yesterday I got hit with over $100 in chargebacks from a sale in January, then today another one from sales in April. I have more chargeback/refunds from this year that in every year prior added together. Thank god they now offer forgiveness, otherwise I'd say fuck C4S and leave. This is ridiculous.
As for my store, I am primarily a humiliatrix, so I bounce around in all of the categories related to domination/humiliation
Emanuelle
08-18-2021, 11:32 AM
I'm looking at that form and it looks like you have to put in a video description. Do we really have to generate a different form for every single video? I'm a solo performer and this isn't making sense to me. How can I consent to my own self, lol.
I've emailed C4S. I don't think they are being very clear about how to do this for solo performers.
I think I'm just going to change the wording on one of these documents so it fits the bullet points in the C4S email. I haven't uploaded any videos since March, I think, and I'm not sure if I plan to make any more. I feel like paying a lawyer to draft a document would be a waste of money for me. I know they're giving the safe answer, for them, to consult a lawyer, but paying hundreds of dollars for that appointment when I only earn $15-20 per week from this site right now is nonsense, and it's not helpful at all.
Felicia[FightServ]
08-18-2021, 04:55 PM
Anyone else getting hit with a lot of chargebacks? Yesterday I got hit with over $100 in chargebacks from a sale in January, then today another one from sales in April. I have more chargeback/refunds from this year that in every year prior added together. Thank god they now offer forgiveness, otherwise I'd say fuck C4S and leave. This is ridiculous.
As for my store, I am primarily a humiliatrix, so I bounce around in all of the categories related to domination/humiliation
Also gotten hit with several. :(
The one from today was from April, not sure when the other ones were.
Chargeback forgiveness/protection is probably the biggest reason to stay with C4S.
justsometwat
08-19-2021, 07:27 AM
They used to not offer it, if they still didn't I'd definitely be out of there. I really wish I knew what the customer reasoning was if it was actual fraud or not. People, what a bunch of bastards.
MissAdriana
08-19-2021, 07:45 AM
I really wish I knew what the customer reasoning was if it was actual fraud or not.
I just assume at this point that they are all fraud or glitch related. As in a customer got double charged or something like that. There was only 1 time I had gotten contacted about an actual issue with my clip that it somehow had no audio and was corrupted and I didn't know. They asked me to update the file and if it couldnt be fixed it would be refunded. That was years ago now haven't had a problem like that since
Tea4Me
08-20-2021, 09:55 PM
Read part 1 of the FAQ and I'm still unclear if we need a document for ourselves if we are a Solo studio. I've already filled out the store compliance details.
"With the new Mastercard regulations, Performer Consent is paramount to any and all agreements between the Performer and the Content Creator (producer / studio owner)."
But what if the Performer IS the Content Creator/store owner? I'm assuming ticking the Solo Performer option and uploading an ID is all we need to do, but I don't feel like that is totally clear.
**Update...FAQ 2 answered this.
Felicia[FightServ]
08-22-2021, 08:10 AM
https://twitter.com/clips4sale/status/1429281270484307972
100% for newcomers... nothing more if you already had a store.
Tea4Me
08-22-2021, 09:22 AM
;3242688']https://twitter.com/clips4sale/status/1429281270484307972
100% for newcomers... nothing more if you already had a store.
That sucks...for us that have been around for a while.
But I also noticed this post by C4S on that thread:
https://twitter.com/clips4sale/status/1429285161531813900
"Hello, yes we do, it's @FanCentro. And in the new year we'll also have a subscription service so with a C4S account you can have a place to catalog all your content and take advantage of our high traffic."
I thought they already tried something like that years ago. Wasn't it members.liveC4S or something like that?
Felicia[FightServ]
08-22-2021, 11:04 AM
I thought they already tried something like that years ago. Wasn't it members.liveC4S or something like that?
Yes, but it was flash based and didn't work on mobile at all. Flash is now dead, and C4S was never able to migrate to something else.
Plans to revitalize it never seemed to materialize.
boyru
08-22-2021, 10:39 PM
Who can explain this?
FAQ, 2nd part.
14 - Can I blur out and redact Performer information on their ID and consent form (model release)?
You can redact (blur) only the address on a Performer’s Photo ID; all other information is required - including the ID number as it is validated for authenticity.
My Girls are not agree to share all personal details for anonymous request. They agree to show only: NAME, Birth Date, City and nothing more.
space_cowgirl
08-23-2021, 06:01 AM
Who can explain this?
FAQ, 2nd part.
14 - Can I blur out and redact Performer information on their ID and consent form (model release)?
You can redact (blur) only the address on a Performer’s Photo ID; all other information is required - including the ID number as it is validated for authenticity.
My Girls are not agree to share all personal details for anonymous request. They agree to show only: NAME, Birth Date, City and nothing more.
People cant be anonymous on consent forms or photos of ID. If they won't show their photo you will have to take down the videos.
boyru
08-23-2021, 10:52 AM
People cant be anonymous on consent forms or photos of ID. If they won't show their photo you will have to take down the videos.
russian laws absolutely prohibit transferring any personal details outside the country - what should i do?
justsometwat
08-23-2021, 11:07 AM
Either comply with their rules or don't sell content there
roseforarose
08-23-2021, 11:09 AM
russian laws absolutely prohibit transferring any personal details outside the country - what should i do?
why i did not see this requirements on IWC store?
i am in "online fetish without nudity" since 1999-2000 and i never be asked for signed consent form from the owner of site/store
it sounds like someone is planning to grab all my media files :(
i have model agreements papers (written in russian) and ID's
but i am not agree to sign consent form "for myself on my own behalf"
Surely the model agreement form and your consent form will contain the same amount of info though? They're not getting any extra personal details.
It's not someone trying to grab all of your files- the changes are because MasterCard are changing their rules for adult content sites in October. C4S and a few other sites are being proactive about it by asking for extra forms and verification etc, a lot of sites that aren't doing anything are probably going to have some hassle in a few months. If you don't sign the consent form then you won't be in compliance with the site rules in a few weeks so...
boyru
08-23-2021, 11:29 AM
Surely the model agreement form and your consent form will contain the same amount of info though? They're not getting any extra personal details.
It's not someone trying to grab all of your files- the changes are because MasterCard are changing their rules for adult content sites in October. C4S and a few other sites are being proactive about it by asking for extra forms and verification etc, a lot of sites that aren't doing anything are probably going to have some hassle in a few months. If you don't sign the consent form then you won't be in compliance with the site rules in a few weeks so...
Written in russian "model agreement" contains: Name, 2nd Name, Birth Date, City, Personal Signature and nothing more.
Drivers license contains: full address and ID number.
Is it okay if i leave only those details (from agreement)?
laurielegs
08-23-2021, 12:04 PM
russian laws absolutely prohibit transferring any personal details outside the country - what should i do?
There seem to be a lot of russian studios and cam models. I wonder how they handle it. Every legitimate adult site requires the performer's identification to verify age.
DonaDiabla
08-23-2021, 03:24 PM
Dude, that's not how this works. You need the model's information on the release form and their Ids. Plus, an photo of them holding their ID should be good enough.
The request is not anonymous because it's to please mastercard and visa's new rules. If you don't follow the rules...then you must change your store. If I was you; I would follow the rules.:)
Who can explain this?
FAQ, 2nd part.
14 - Can I blur out and redact Performer information on their ID and consent form (model release)?
You can redact (blur) only the address on a Performer’s Photo ID; all other information is required - including the ID number as it is validated for authenticity.
My Girls are not agree to share all personal details for anonymous request. They agree to show only: NAME, Birth Date, City and nothing more.
melanielive
08-24-2021, 12:54 PM
I think I'm just going to change the wording on one of these documents so it fits the bullet points in the C4S email. I haven't uploaded any videos since March, I think, and I'm not sure if I plan to make any more. I feel like paying a lawyer to draft a document would be a waste of money for me. I know they're giving the safe answer, for them, to consult a lawyer, but paying hundreds of dollars for that appointment when I only earn $15-20 per week from this site right now is nonsense, and it's not helpful at all.
girl... I got email today saying they cannot give me any advice and to talk to a layer.... i make like 50 - 100 x month ( if i m uploading regularly) so I cannot afford a lawyer either..
The bad thing thing I ve been busting my ass this month filming videos for this month and scheduling videos for next month and I ll prob have to deactivate them now or something...
laurielegs
08-24-2021, 12:59 PM
I think I'm just going to change the wording on one of these documents so it fits the bullet points in the C4S email. I haven't uploaded any videos since March, I think, and I'm not sure if I plan to make any more. I feel like paying a lawyer to draft a document would be a waste of money for me. I know they're giving the safe answer, for them, to consult a lawyer, but paying hundreds of dollars for that appointment when I only earn $15-20 per week from this site right now is nonsense, and it's not helpful at all.
That's what I'm going to do, just put together a document myself that covers everything in those points they suggested. All my clips are solo ones.
melanielive
08-24-2021, 01:02 PM
Does anybody have a template to do the consent form?
I was told today by support that they cannot give me any guidance on what to put on the form and to consult a lawyer...
I make very lil money ( when I upload regularly) every month so it s not worth it for me to talk to a lawyer...
What happens if I submit a form and visa or mastercard think it s not ok or imcomplete?
Will they shut down my studio? or deactivate those videos uploaded after Sep 1?
I m a solo performer, I don't have anybody working for me but reading the faqs I realized I still need to upload a consent form..
Any help will be appreciated!!
SuperPookie
08-25-2021, 05:21 AM
I had my man make one being sure to cover everything that C4S requested as none of the free forms seemed to be quite right & I am not going to hire a lawyer for a store that atm is making me like $100 a month.
takiaya
08-28-2021, 10:18 AM
I'm just going to use the form I got from pornhub for all my clips sites, seems they are all asking for one now, they have a generic form you can download and get models to sign that appear on video with you.
55845
Tea4Me
08-28-2021, 09:16 PM
Thanks for posting that! I did a quick Google search and found the PDF version of that form too: https://www.pornhub.com/docs/Performer_Agreement_UGC.pdf
laurielegs
08-29-2021, 01:19 AM
I'm just going to use the form I got from pornhub for all my clips sites, seems they are all asking for one now, they have a generic form you can download and get models to sign that appear on video with you.
55845
That pornhub form has the date and clip description though which we don't need. That's not required according to the FAQ posted on clips4sale. There is no way I'm going through all my clips and adding a different date and description for each video if we don't have to.
Apparently you can just do a generic form for them all then select that form each time from the drop down list when you add a clip if you are a solo performer with no other people in your clips, so that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to type one out myself including the things they are asking for.
Here is what it says in the faq:
"I'm a SOLO Performer and have no one else in any of my clips. Do I have to do a Compliance Profile for myself in my solo store?
Yes, make a Performer Compliance Profile for yourself (https://admin.clips4sale.com/compliance/add) with your Photo ID and a general consent and content release for all content (videos and images) on your store posted currently and in the future."
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edited to add -- I finished my form, chose Print on my document and printed as PDF, saved it into a file. Then I used Adobe to sign the form, saved it again with my signature and uploaded it to the compliance link, uploaded a copy of my driver's license on that same page.
After that I was able to choose that form for my old clips, didn't have to make a new one.
It's pretty quick to just pick it from the drop-down list then re-save the clip. I should have them all done by the end of next week, doing a few a day.
Of course will be more complicated if you have others appearing with you.
Tea4Me
08-29-2021, 07:59 AM
I could have swore they said something about having a form for legacy content (assuming they mean content posted before Sept 1st, 2021)...?
(Went into the admin to find it...it was in FAQ 1)
"2 - What about Legacy Content? Do I have to go back and update all my clips?
As of September 1st, ALL STUDIOS will have the ability to digitally sign the following declaration, which will be in the COMPLIANCE section of the studio admin, to certify ALL of your Legacy Content:
I declare under the penalty of perjury that I am in possession of and can produce age verification documentation and performers releases for all persons depicted in any content that I have uploaded to the Clips4Sale platform.
The above statement is a blanket certification for all legacy content (legacy content is all content added to C4S prior to September 1st 2021) - BUT - all studios will also have the ability to bulk update their legacy content to add Performer's and classify their content after October 1st as well."