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naomi_doll
10-07-2021, 09:00 AM
Looks like Stripchat has started doing it as well. - https://stripchat.com/model-news

lilly90xxx
10-07-2021, 09:14 AM
Ok so the payment just hit my account, I also received a reply from the support that they changed a payment processor from this month, and they hope there will be no delays further on.

Felicia[FightServ]
10-07-2021, 11:58 AM
The advanced search/grid layout shows you how many clips are added daily.
https://www.clips4sale.com/search/clips

About 1300 in the last 24 hours. In July, it was over 2,000.

There is absolutely no way that is being manually reviewed, and I doubt C4S has the money to hook in the bigger automated scanning systems the likes that Youtube has (those are insanely expensive and generally run by companies that are anti-adult).
I'm expecting the review process to take far longer than advertised and err on the side of extreme paranoia.

naomi_doll
10-07-2021, 12:55 PM
;3248781']The advanced search/grid layout shows you how many clips are added daily.
https://www.clips4sale.com/search/clips

About 1300 in the last 24 hours. In July, it was over 2,000.

There is absolutely no way that is being manually reviewed, and I doubt C4S has the money to hook in the bigger automated scanning systems the likes that Youtube has (those are insanely expensive and generally run by companies that are anti-adult).
I'm expecting the review process to take far longer than advertised and err on the side of extreme paranoia.


Thank you! Yeah that is going to be unreal to manage. Interesting.

SuperPookie
10-08-2021, 05:50 AM
I am unable to send direct links to my clips only make html links as for some reason I can't go directly to my videos to copy & paste anything. Also a lot of my hdmp4 videos are missing & there are only wmv & sd left of numerous vids.

DonaDiabla
10-08-2021, 08:09 AM
Yikes, I am not digging all of these changes.The model releases I could understand but the pre-modification seems excessive.

PixiieGirl
10-08-2021, 09:42 AM
Yikes, I am not digging all of these changes.The model releases I could understand but the pre-modification seems excessive.

it truly does suck, might sound dramatic but feels like banks are trying to make our legal work illegal by the backdoor v.v

Felicia[FightServ]
10-08-2021, 12:11 PM
it truly does suck, might sound dramatic but feels like banks are trying to make our legal work illegal by the backdoor v.v

This is the truth. These bank/CC rules are written in completely bad faith and designed to make it impossible to do legal business. They were written with the sole input of antiporners, no one actually in the industry.

MissAdriana
10-08-2021, 03:12 PM
I got my pay but it was late

Tea4Me
10-08-2021, 04:57 PM
UPDATE: The C4S transfer is showing as pending in my bank account now. I can't be the only one who received a check from a closed account. But I'm glad they were quick to respond and handle it.

AlyssaJ
10-09-2021, 04:02 AM
I'm glad I didn't take the plunge. I considered for a couple of years to quit my stressful day job and make clips full time. It would be fun but it's just too unreliable. First the VAT was added, more banned words and deleted categories. It took a toll on my sales at first but customers came back. This past month has proven the adult industry is getting cornered. I wrote about a clip of mine being taken down for using a misspelled banned word in the description. I was never given the chance to correct it and asked what word it was. It was a banned word indeed but I'll never know if that was intentional on my part, I probably didn't know all rules back then and English is not my first language. I'm not willing to go through hundreds of clips to hunt for mistakes, so just waiting for this to happen to more clips, or even my store being shut down. This week a bunch of my clips was taken down from I Want Clips for minor things. Rules are now applied with the strictest interpretation (things that only makes sense to apply to 2+ person clips are now applied to solo performers). I Want Clips has a ridiculous list of banned words to the point it's hard to write and make sense of descriptions - a category named "choking fantasy play" but choking is a banned word lol. So is "alien", "bite", "blackmail", "crush", "coerce", "eat you", "mind control", "scratch", "scream" etc etc. These will probably be added to C4S soon. And if we are not even allowed to speak these in the clips, we are fucked as it is impossible to keep track. Most of my clips are already so tame I could post them on youtube with no problems, but it's not enough for mastercard rules. Film companies produce movies depicting all kinds of nudity and violence. But because we are branded adult and are small indie producers, the intention is clearly to make it impossible for us.

AlyssaJ
10-09-2021, 04:24 AM
In the long term I only see the chance of us continuing, if crypto is made easier to handle and shop with, or an independent bank/cc offers adult friendly payment service. I don't see any realistic way adult sites can implement manual approval, not even if they just watch a few seconds of clips. If they are meaning to use AI, this comes with a bunch of flaws that will flag clips that are perfectly fine. See how Youtubes now stricter AI for example flags content meant to help and discuss mental problems, forcing channels to shut down as they can't put in work that constantly risks being shut down or demonetized. You can apply for manual approval if your content is unfairly flagged, but best case scenario is months of waiting.

What bugs me the most is that the adult industry's biggest problem - performers being abused - is largely inexistent with independent producers where the power lies with the performers themselves. Same with media in general - with internet, small content producers had the chance to get unique content seen and getting at least a small bit of the revenues. And now things are again going towards giving only large companies the chance to produce and make money.

MissAdriana
10-09-2021, 10:02 AM
This week a bunch of my clips was taken down from I Want Clips for minor things.

Yes I really don't understand how some are escaping rules on IWC. On the front page this morning there was a clip with BLACKMAIL in plain sight and another on the next area with blackmail-fantasy. I was curious so I went to type it in and automatically changed it to blackmail-fantasy.

justsometwat
10-09-2021, 10:19 AM
Blackmail is allowed as long as you're not actually using anyone's real information. You can't expose anyone's actual info but you can pretend you will.

lilly90xxx
10-09-2021, 11:47 AM
I noticed some changes while uploading clips, so I will write it here because maybe someone will miss that and it can mess with your clips. This is for the girls that upload multiple formats of the same clip. Right now after you add your first format clip and you go back to add the second format ( so you click EDIT, then new clip) the preview that you uploaded earlier is gone, well not gone but the form sets it to "half clip" instead of your uploaded preview. So you need to manually change it to the preview that you uploaded with the first clip. Also, while adding another format take a look at the active tab, since it's ticked now. Because usually, we tend to set our new format clips for a future activation, have that in mind because I just accidentally make some clips live and I was quickly deleting them since I still can't get used to it. I really don't understand why they are making these tiny changes that we don't need and are just dumb, because why changing the preview tab, for what? Instead of making something that we would all benefit from like some system for customs. I hope I explained this new things well ( english is not my first language) if not, just pay attention while uploading your clips you will se what I am talking about :P

PixiieGirl
10-09-2021, 04:08 PM
In the long term I only see the chance of us continuing, if crypto is made easier to handle and shop with, or an independent bank/cc offers adult friendly payment service. I don't see any realistic way adult sites can implement manual approval, not even if they just watch a few seconds of clips. If they are meaning to use AI, this comes with a bunch of flaws that will flag clips that are perfectly fine. See how Youtubes now stricter AI for example flags content meant to help and discuss mental problems, forcing channels to shut down as they can't put in work that constantly risks being shut down or demonetized. You can apply for manual approval if your content is unfairly flagged, but best case scenario is months of waiting.

What bugs me the most is that the adult industry's biggest problem - performers being abused - is largely inexistent with independent producers where the power lies with the performers themselves. Same with media in general - with internet, small content producers had the chance to get unique content seen and getting at least a small bit of the revenues. And now things are again going towards giving only large companies the chance to produce and make money.

all of this is so spot on & it feels like the point to, over the last 20 or so years so many laws here in the UK have tried to restrict adult content and have generally failed - feels like those awful groups that are so against us (Im sure we all know who I mean, EC & TH being big ones) are changing tact and pressuring us with banks instead

anyone interested in crypto, pocketstar which is a OF-esque type site have a kink friendly platform called rocketstars that runs on crypto, a lot more kinks will be allowed and the coin is launching soon I think

that said, even that comes with issues, UK banks are working on regulating purchase and payments with crypto :(

ericachronic
10-09-2021, 08:55 PM
HEADS UP...check your clips...the scheduler that activates your clips are broken. I had 3 clips that should have activated by now and I checked and they did not. Talked to support and they said that feature is broken. WTF!!!!!!!! If its been broken for two days why not fucking tell us when we log in!!!!!

I lost out on a good chunk of my income this week because of this.

MissAdriana
10-10-2021, 07:01 AM
Blackmail is allowed as long as you're not actually using anyone's real information. You can't expose anyone's actual info but you can pretend you will.

So you are actually able to use the word "blackmail"? In title and description? When I type it changes it to blackmaill-fantasy. Not sure why some people get that happen and others dont, really confusing

justsometwat
10-10-2021, 07:14 AM
It's likely that when the clip was uploaded they were automatically changing it to blackmail-fantasy or required it to say that. I was updating my clips and some of the words I used are now not allowed or need -fantasy at the end now so I had to change them for them to save.

MissAdriana
10-11-2021, 07:36 AM
Okay thanks for explaining I was so confused about it

ericachronic
10-12-2021, 07:49 AM
FUTURE ACTIVATION / EDIT CLIP BUG
We are aware and working to fix a bug with EDIT CLIP which has affected some clips scheduled for Future Activation.
The bug is causing the NUMBER OF PERFORMERS to be wiped / removed when you go back into a clip that was saved for Future Activation or to edit a previously activated clip. It has caused the clips set for Future Activation not to post / activate on stores.
If you post a clip and save it for Future Activation, or if go back to a previously activated clip, and then go back in to EDIT CLIP - please check the compliance section to make sure all information is still entered correctly before re-saving / re-adding the clip.
We will advise when the bug has been fixed and apologize for the inconvenience.



Took them like 4 or 5 days to even tell us when they knew about it last Friday.

Jadekink
10-12-2021, 03:02 PM
I’m new to Clips4sale. Can you tell me how long it takes for you to start making maybe $30 a day while consistently uploading. Do you upload multiple times per day. Or is once per day ok. What length video is good. I do 2 minutes now but with little sales it doesn’t add up to much. Thanks��

Jadekink
10-12-2021, 03:07 PM
Hi I just started Clips4sale. I’ve been lacking motivation. It would really help if you could give me a ball park of how much is possible to make per month. Thank you😊

WonderWoman0642
10-13-2021, 08:14 AM
Hi I just started Clips4sale. I’ve been lacking motivation. It would really help if you could give me a ball park of how much is possible to make per month. Thank you😊

It's important to update often and to stay consistent. I think updating daily is good especially for a new store. It may take some trial and error to figure out what's best for you. It's hard to say how much you can make per month because the numbers are all over the place. There are people that live off clips4sale and produce full-time, there are others who use it as additional income. And there are some that don't make much at all. I know this thread is really long, but it's worth checking out for tips as well. And try to find fetishes you'll enjoy shooting-much more likely to sell.

redvelvette
10-13-2021, 09:30 AM
Hi I just started Clips4sale. I’ve been lacking motivation. It would really help if you could give me a ball park of how much is possible to make per month. Thank you��

You can make whatever you decide to, you just need to figure out how. If you're not motivated to figure it out then that will limit you. One successful girl posted this thread about what she did to earn a mid-six figures income from c4s. She posted in another forum more recently that her c4s following allowed her to earn over one million dollars on onlyfans last year. The sky is the limit if you're willing to educate yourself and put in the work.

Okay I don't know why I can't get the link to show. The post is by a member named larkinlove and it's called "I made six figures on clips4sale alone and I want to share my knowledge"

crashingsilent
10-13-2021, 10:01 AM
Is there an actual list of banned words? I remember there being one but I cannot seem to locate it.

I 100% hate this. I need a print out of all of them so I can avoid having any future content accidentally being against the rules. eyeroll.

Tea4Me
10-13-2021, 04:31 PM
Just my opinions, but...

--There is no formula for posting X amount of times to start making Y amount of $$ in a day/month/year.

--Personally I've never uploaded multiple times a day. Sometimes once a day, for a few days but usually around every other day, but even that can change.

--There isn't one 'good' length for clips. I tend to aim for 8-13 minutes, but sometimes I do shorter clips and sometimes they are longer. But there's no rule that clips that are X minutes long sell best.

--That being said, if ALL of your clips are 2 minutes in length, I will suggested adding some longer ones, definitely. Variety is good.

--As far as how much you can make a month, there is no limit! Can you make enough to pay all of your bills and then some? Absolutely!

But.....

--It takes time to grow a following of loyal customers. And it also takes consistency.

--Don't be afraid to experiment and try new things....categories, camera angles, fetishes, clip lengths. etc.

--Be unique! If you look at the top 50 studios, almost all of them have their own niche or style.

--Have FUN! Seriously. Enjoy what you do and don't put too much pressure on yourself to do a certain amount of clips or make a certain amount of money.

Tea4Me
10-13-2021, 04:36 PM
Is there an actual list of banned words? I remember there being one but I cannot seem to locate it.

I 100% hate this. I need a print out of all of them so I can avoid having any future content accidentally being against the rules. eyeroll.


I found this doing a quick Google image search for Clips4sale banned words:

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But it's not up to date because they recently banned voyeur and a few other words. WHY do they make this info so hard to find??!!

A few more listed here: https://mikesouth.com/industry/clips4sale-bans-several-keywords-clips4sale-66930/

Felicia[FightServ]
10-13-2021, 04:45 PM
The banned word list seems to grow by the WEEK now. Very recently "therapist" was banned because it contained the word "rapist".

Billabong
10-13-2021, 09:34 PM
Does anyone have a copy of the C4S model release template they uploaded? I thought I saved it , but I guess not and I can no longer find it on c4s.

boyru
10-15-2021, 07:47 AM
Shedulled review and update don't work. I shedulled clip for 08:30AM and store still not updated! Who will care about this?

ericachronic
10-15-2021, 09:02 AM
Shedulled review and update don't work. I shedulled clip for 08:30AM and store still not updated! Who will care about this?

I just got done talking with support...they said they are a few hours backed up on checking clips for compliance.

boyru
10-15-2021, 09:16 AM
I just got done talking with support...they said they are a few hours backed up on checking clips for compliance.

i assume that they must release non-nude clips easily and faster, than porn clips with nudity
and i did not receive approval/pending mails since this morning

added on 01:55PM (c4s time)
still not updated after 5 hours ... no mails, no notices :(

Felicia[FightServ]
10-15-2021, 11:30 AM
One clip posted at 1:25am, not scheduled since that's bugged, now 13 hours later and no review.
Another clip was scheduled but I manually made live which put it as inactive was also stuck. I pulled it down and reposted at 5:41am and received a review 3 hours later.

It's a one performer clip (POV) set with one performer and her profile, marked as multi-performer per instructions.
It's set to "PENDING" due to the "incorrect number of performers set". I mail support about this, and put the camera guy (the store owner)'s profile in just to be safe and re-save it. This is 8:10am.
2:30pm and the clip in question is still not active.

And my sales for the day have tanked, so that hard earned momentum to get on the front page is now dwindling.

boyru
10-15-2021, 11:46 AM
No updates - No sales.
I was in TOP-400 yesterday ...

PixiieGirl
10-15-2021, 11:48 AM
i assume that they must release non-nude clips easily and faster, than porn clips with nudity
and i did not receive approval/pending mails since this morning

added on 01:55PM (c4s time)
still not updated after 5 hours ... no mails, no notices :(
doesnt matter if it's nude or not - its adult content thus subject to the same mastercard rules as all other content

I really do wonder why theyre doing this manually and not with AI like other sites

boyru
10-15-2021, 12:02 PM
No. If c4s remove all nude content - the MC rules will be turned off!
Nudity is the reason of all suffers.

justsometwat
10-15-2021, 12:10 PM
Clips4sale confirmed that legacy content will not be under further review unless you make changes to the description or price etc. You can't replace the actual clip, you'd just have to make a new upload clip page

boyru
10-15-2021, 12:12 PM
Clips4sale confirmed that legacy content will not be under further review unless you make changes to the description or price etc. You can't replace the actual clip, you'd just have to make a new upload clip page

I can not activate "Performer added" clip since this morning...

PixiieGirl
10-15-2021, 12:14 PM
No. If c4s remove all nude content - the MC rules will be turned off!
Nudity is the reason of all suffers.
mastercards rules dont state "nude content" they state "adult content" - non-nude porn is still porn

justsometwat
10-15-2021, 12:15 PM
Niteflirt doesn't allow public nudity but they have to follow the same rules. An adult website is an adult website regardless of the content.

boyru
10-15-2021, 12:22 PM
mastercards rules dont state "nude content" they state "adult content" - non-nude porn is still porn

Absolutely no.
Billing of my pay-site (signup for month) does not accept nudity and new MC requirements pass by :)
Non-nude stuff is not a porn.

PixiieGirl
10-15-2021, 12:26 PM
well all the documentation states adult content not nude content - ultimately C4S is a porn site theyre not gonna randomly kick off all "porn" (nudity) to bypass this - considering the site is for porn

boyru
10-15-2021, 12:30 PM
well all the documentation states adult content not nude content - ultimately C4S is a porn site theyre not gonna randomly kick off all "porn" (nudity) to bypass this - considering the site is for porn

did You read MC requirements? i did!
there are no words about "non-nude foot fetish" as example
they focused only on sexual acts and genitals show

no matter which neighbors - we are only responsible for our videos

"toy car crush" is not an adult
"dirty shoes" is not an adult

justsometwat
10-15-2021, 01:22 PM
Doesn't matter how you interpret it. They have to do this anyway.

DonaDiabla
10-15-2021, 01:26 PM
Dude, all content uploaded on clips sites is considered porn to MasterCard. If people masturbate to it; then it's considered porn.


did You read MC requirements? i did!
there are no words about "non-nude foot fetish" as example
they focused only on sexual acts and genitals show

no matter which neighbors - we are only responsible for our videos

"toy car crush" is not an adult
"dirty shoes" is not an adult

PixiieGirl
10-15-2021, 01:27 PM
yes Ive read the documentation, I read it back when it came out in April, I've been following this a long time as part of my activism

if it makes you feel better to think you're not selling porn on a site made for porn, go for it, mastercard wont agree and C4S arent going to sell out us "porn" sellers for people who "arent selling porn"

boyru
10-15-2021, 01:35 PM
i sell videos for onanism :)

releasing of new clips are not working today :(

ericachronic
10-15-2021, 01:48 PM
Saw this posted on twitter...

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How did they not anticipate so many clips...we predicted a week ago this would happen....

justsometwat
10-15-2021, 01:49 PM
Stop repeating yourself