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Tea4Me
10-15-2021, 01:52 PM
did You read MC requirements? i did!
there are no words about "non-nude foot fetish" as example
they focused only on sexual acts and genitals show

no matter which neighbors - we are only responsible for our videos

"toy car crush" is not an adult
"dirty shoes" is not an adult


Okay. But where are you selling this content and to WHOM? Who are your customers? What do you think they are likely doing while watching your content?

This isn't the first time we've had this discussion.....

justsometwat
10-15-2021, 01:59 PM
They just LOVE to argue, even when they are wrong

PixiieGirl
10-15-2021, 02:20 PM
goes to show how engrained the stigma is even within the industry

Im still totally baffled why both C4S and IWC arent going down the route OF and other such sites are and using AI for this - theres been no delay for me on those sites today

Felicia[FightServ]
10-15-2021, 03:25 PM
Saw this posted on twitter...

56060

How did they not anticipate so many clips...we predicted a week ago this would happen....

It's like they don't even check their own stats. The "advanced search" layout shows they get anywhere from 1200-2000+ clips a day (2000 being your peak days like Fridays).
Taken on 10/09/2021
https://i.imgur.com/ySuARgI.png

Edit: As for not using AI, they either couldn't afford it or couldn't figure out a way to implement it in to the dinosaur system.
Same with IWC.

Edit edit: Also wondering if part of the reason for going above and beyond what Mastercard was asking for in terms of paperwork was they were hoping that would cut down on uploads and give them less to review?

crashingsilent
10-15-2021, 03:40 PM
thank you! So ridiculously hard to find.

lilly90xxx
10-15-2021, 04:05 PM
Ok...So I assume that future activation is not an option anymore? WTF. I just uploaded my clip and was really surprised that it was reviewed and went live in like 5 minutes. So I scheduled the rest of my clips( I always post 4 versions, different formats to get bigger exposure, all 4 clips always a couple of hours apart), and guess what, the clip that was scheduled for future activation, should go live a couple of hours later after the first one...Was reviewed in a minute and went live too. That's not good. I don't have the time to sit at my computer 4 times a day, to keep that couple of hours between my clips. I was always just scheduling them for future activation and I was done, minding my business. I am kind of pissed :/

ericachronic
10-15-2021, 04:31 PM
Ok...So I assume that future activation is not an option anymore? WTF. I just uploaded my clip and was really surprised that it was reviewed and went live in like 5 minutes. So I scheduled the rest of my clips( I always post 4 versions, different formats to get bigger exposure, all 4 clips always a couple of hours apart), and guess what, the clip that was scheduled for future activation, should go live a couple of hours later after the first one...Was reviewed in a minute and went live too. That's not good. I don't have the time to sit at my computer 4 times a day, to keep that couple of hours between my clips. I was always just scheduling them for future activation and I was done, minding my business. I am kind of pissed :/

Similar shit happened to me....

I uploaded a clip about 12 hours ago for future activation. Then two more around noon for activation tomorrow. I got a notice the the clip for tomorrow got approved...

The clip I uploaded like 6 hours before that one still hasn't been approved and is now past its activation time....

How the hell did a clip get approved that was sent hours later...but the earlier and later one were not....

lilly90xxx
10-15-2021, 04:36 PM
Similar shit happened to me....

I uploaded a clip about 12 hours ago for future activation. Then two more around noon for activation tomorrow. I got a notice the the clip for tomorrow got approved...

The clip I uploaded like 6 hours before that one still hasn't been approved and is now past its activation time....

How the hell did a clip get approved that was sent hours later...but the earlier and later one were not....

Well we are in the same situation, the 2 clips that I uploaded like 12 hours before that ones that go live, are still inactive. I contacted the support about that, and I've got generic response that all the clips will be reviewed and post in two hours ( that kind of copy and paste message, like they even did't read what I wrote;D), and in that case I am sure that inactive clips were affected by this future activation glitch, they have nothing to do with this review madness.

PixiieGirl
10-15-2021, 05:48 PM
;3250042']It's like they don't even check their own stats. The "advanced search" layout shows they get anywhere from 1200-2000+ clips a day (2000 being your peak days like Fridays).
Taken on 10/09/2021
https://i.imgur.com/ySuARgI.png

Edit: As for not using AI, they either couldn't afford it or couldn't figure out a way to implement it in to the dinosaur system.
Same with IWC.

Edit edit: Also wondering if part of the reason for going above and beyond what Mastercard was asking for in terms of paperwork was they were hoping that would cut down on uploads and give them less to review?

Hmmm it could be financial but I would have thought paying staff to approve them would cost more?

I honestly think the guidance isn’t super clear & sites all seem to be using different methods or doing it differently, either that or different sites are being asked for different levels of moderation & documentation to be compliant?

This is such a mess

Felicia[FightServ]
10-15-2021, 09:24 PM
Didn't even hit the 500 mark for number of clips processed in 24 hours (though it's been like 26~ since this started), but beat my estimation of 300.
(Snap from 10/16/21 at 12:16am EST)
https://i.imgur.com/z0u5Y7a.png

What's scarier, is the number of clips on the site has been going down steadily since mid summer.
https://i.imgur.com/ZkFvlyJ.png

F. Mastercard.

Amedee Vause
10-15-2021, 10:37 PM
Well it's becoming pretty obvious that c4s has been going down hill faster and faster for the last few months. And now they've gone and shot themselves in the foot with the "manual content verification". The question is: what is the alternative? I mean ManyVids is still good for business right now but there must be other promising sites out there... And as far as I know I Want Clips does not have a very big customer base. Any ideas?

Felicia[FightServ]
10-15-2021, 10:53 PM
Well it's becoming pretty obvious that c4s has been going down hill faster and faster for the last few months. And now they've gone and shot themselves in the foot with the "manual content verification". The question is: what is the alternative? I mean ManyVids is still good for business right now but there must be other promising sites out there... And as far as I know I Want Clips does not have a very big customer base. Any ideas?

It sounds like IWC is actually handling this worse than C4S, if Twitter and the thread on here are any indication. ManyVids has been reviewing content and requiring performer documents for some time now, but their marketplace seems to be a fraction of C4S's, depending on the niche. :(

ericachronic
10-15-2021, 11:23 PM
How exactly are some people getting there clips approved in like 1 or 2 hours but I have had shit pending review for like 24 hours now.....

boyru
10-15-2021, 11:31 PM
How exactly are some people getting there clips approved in like 1 or 2 hours but I have had shit pending review for like 24 hours now.....

nude clips go online faster

Amedee Vause
10-16-2021, 12:02 AM
;3250100']It sounds like IWC is actually handling this worse than C4S, if Twitter and the thread on here are any indication. ManyVids has been reviewing content and requiring performer documents for some time now, but their marketplace seems to be a fraction of C4S's, depending on the niche. :(

Yes ManyVids is reviewing content but only after you post it. There is no delay. Also you can still schedule clips for future activation on MV without problems - c4s has made this next to impossible. As for the marketplace value, I have been making more money on MV than on c4s for a while now (more than one year). A couple of years ago, yes, c4s was my main source of income but it slowly drifted towards MV. I'm getting the impression that many buyers are recently choosing MV over c4s for various reasons. Let me give you another example: 3 years ago I had to be making 1500-2000$/month on c4s to be in the top 200 or higher. Now I can be in the top 200 on c4s while only making ~1000$/month. This tells me that sales in general have gone way down on c4s for everybody.

Amedee Vause
10-16-2021, 12:07 AM
I think it would be a good idea if we could organize a bit. I mean if a group of us would send a petition to c4s and tell them this (the manual reviews and the impossibility of scheduling clips) is not working and why. If this does not stop c4s might go down for good in the near future. C4s has always claimed they are open to discussion with the models. Maybe we can find a way. As I said in my previous post MV is doing manual reviews also but they're doing them after the clip is activated so there is no delay in activation. Maybe c4s can do that too.

Edit:
And btw. I seem to remember something that c4s has been bought out by some other company recently. Who were they? Anybody know? Maybe that's the reason for all this trouble.

Felicia[FightServ]
10-16-2021, 12:17 AM
How exactly are some people getting there clips approved in like 1 or 2 hours but I have had shit pending review for like 24 hours now.....

After a certain amount of time (about 12~ hours), I pulled and reposted. That helped with one that wasn't thrown in to pending. If it's not posted or no email about it in 4 hours, that's probably a good time to pull and repost.


The one that was pending claiming a "performer number error" is still in limbo and likely stuck, but I'm waiting for an important clarification from support (does the cameraman count in a POV if you only hear him/see his arm?). It shouldn't, but that's basically why they say it was being held back...luckily this was an alternate format and not a new content update.

I just posted another one (an HD remaster of a POV) with two performers declared, so let's see how long that takes.

Felicia[FightServ]
10-16-2021, 12:19 AM
I think it would be a good idea if we could organize a bit. I mean if a group of us would send a petition to c4s and tell them this (the manual reviews and the impossibility of scheduling clips) is not working and why. If this does not stop c4s might go down for good in the near future. C4s has always claimed they are open to discussion with the models. Maybe we can find a way. As I said in my previous post MV is doing manual reviews also but they're doing them after the clip is activated so there is no delay in activation. Maybe c4s can do that too.

Edit:
And btw. I seem to remember something that c4s has been bought out by some other company recently. Who were they? Anybody know? Maybe that's the reason for all this trouble.

Centro Ventures of ModelCentro/AdultCentro/FanCentro/CentroBilling fame. There were rumblings that they are much stricter and have fewer categories on their network. That seems to be true. :(

pramilaganguly
10-16-2021, 02:50 AM
My clips are being in inactive mode stuck for eternity. I waited for 10 hours and then deleted and reposted but almost 2 hours now and its still inactive. And the front page of c4s seems to have very less updates. Whatever they are trying to do manually is not working to say the least. Manually reviewing 1000s of daily content is impossible and i dont think they have good number of staffs to anyway to do so. Our source of income is being affected so very badly. Never thought it would come to this.

Amedee Vause
10-16-2021, 03:42 AM
It may be that ModelCentro is deliberately trying to push clips4sale into the ground. Classic move - buy out your competition and then bankrupt it. We might have to look for alternatives. What is ModelCentro like, anybody know? From what I gather it's similar to OnlyFans. Is it worth getting into ?

SuperPookie
10-16-2021, 04:04 AM
Well it's becoming pretty obvious that c4s has been going down hill faster and faster for the last few months. And now they've gone and shot themselves in the foot with the "manual content verification". The question is: what is the alternative? I mean ManyVids is still good for business right now but there must be other promising sites out there... And as far as I know I Want Clips does not have a very big customer base. Any ideas?

iWC is dropping the ball so badly. Even worse than C4S

Amedee Vause
10-16-2021, 04:06 AM
iWC is dropping the ball so badly. Even worse than C4S

How? What's happening there?

justsometwat
10-16-2021, 04:37 AM
nude clips go online faster
Stop telling lies

SFHS
10-16-2021, 04:56 AM
I uploaded a clip yesterday morning to my girlfriend's store and it got approved and posted in about 5 minutes. I posted a clip a little later in the day for my store and about 20 hours later it still hasn't been approved.

PixiieGirl
10-16-2021, 05:35 AM
Well it's becoming pretty obvious that c4s has been going down hill faster and faster for the last few months. And now they've gone and shot themselves in the foot with the "manual content verification". The question is: what is the alternative? I mean ManyVids is still good for business right now but there must be other promising sites out there... And as far as I know I Want Clips does not have a very big customer base. Any ideas?
IWC have handled this even worse than C4S - my store has gone from 600 clips to 300 as they "deleted all that hadnt sold within a year" to now 0 as theyre moderating legacy content to

I do wonder what MV is doing, the guidance is really clear that moderation must be done prior to publication, but I suspect theyre using AI and if nothing flags letting it through, if it does manually looking at it?

this does really all suck but its also like, all sites are effected - while it's annoying for now I kinda would prefer sites maybe be a bit over the top now & not lose their payment processors - Im hopeful the kinks (pun intended) will be worked out soon to

pramilaganguly
10-16-2021, 09:23 AM
my yesterday's clip still did not get approved. i messaged them, if republishing would help, they said 'We apologize for the inconvenience, unfortunately we are experiencing delays in review/activation due to huge number of clips needed to be reviewed. Our team is doing their best to have your clips reviewed as soon as possible.

Re-publishing will not fix the problem.
Regards,
Clips4Sale.com'

space_cowgirl
10-16-2021, 10:17 AM
my yesterday's clip still did not get approved. i messaged them, if republishing would help, they said 'We apologize for the inconvenience, unfortunately we are experiencing delays in review/activation due to huge number of clips needed to be reviewed. Our team is doing their best to have your clips reviewed as soon as possible.

Re-publishing will not fix the problem.
Regards,
Clips4Sale.com'

Same, it's been more than 24 hours and mine hasn't been approved.

boyru
10-16-2021, 11:01 AM
It may be that ModelCentro is deliberately trying to push clips4sale into the ground. Classic move - buy out your competition and then bankrupt it. We might have to look for alternatives. What is ModelCentro like, anybody know? From what I gather it's similar to OnlyFans. Is it worth getting into ?

sounds very realistic :(

Felicia[FightServ]
10-16-2021, 01:18 PM
And their reviewers are heinously inconsistent, and support isn't answering.
http://i.imgur.com/K0BdMsI.jpg (https://imgur.com/K0BdMsI)

Some stores do seem to get things up quick and almost frequently while we've never had anything reviewed in less than 2 1/2 hours, most being 10-12 or never.

Now refresh clip list isn't working, nor the ability to select previously uploaded clips.

ericachronic
10-16-2021, 03:20 PM
Same shit just happend to me...



Clip states more Performers than the Performers appear in this clip. Please correct this issue and resubmit for review
STATUS - Your clip has been set to INACTIVE in your admin.

You denied it when it had 1...my BF was behind camera..so I added him and you fucking denied it again...WTF!

MissAdriana
10-16-2021, 03:50 PM
my yesterday's clip still did not get approved.'

Same issue and none of my scheduled clips are being approved they are all listed as inactive so I have to go in and resubmit again. Guess I'll be doing that daily for now on

Felicia[FightServ]
10-16-2021, 06:38 PM
Snapshot from 9pm today, they are getting even slower. By a lot. (# of clips added in the last 24 hours)
https://i.imgur.com/9D7Zlvql.png

Tea4Me
10-16-2021, 07:38 PM
;3250240']Snapshot from 9pm today, they are getting even slower. By a lot. (# of clips added in the last 24 hours)
https://i.imgur.com/9D7Zlvql.png

I wonder how many clips they are getting through a day and how many of them are ending up in Pending or Denied/Not Allowed..... I mean, I can see that only 200 were posted, but are they going through around the same amount or if just a higher number of clips are going into Pending...? Wow...what a fucking mess!

Felicia[FightServ]
10-16-2021, 08:27 PM
I wonder how many clips they are getting through a day and how many of them are ending up in Pending or Denied/Not Allowed..... I mean, I can see that only 200 were posted, but are they going through around the same amount or if just a higher number of clips are going into Pending...? Wow...what a fucking mess!

Going by previous data, probably around 1200~ on slower days and 2000+ on high days. Friday being a popular day had to be over 2000. I imagine that will trickle off in the coming weeks as people give up and go elsewhere.
Working as the religious extremist crusaders intended. :(

Taking the "advanced search" layout page and putting it in the wayback machine can help build a picture of just how the numbers have been changing.
https://www.clips4sale.com/search/clips

https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.clips4sale.com/search/clips

Natalie0523
10-16-2021, 08:57 PM
Wow.

I am frustrated and angry. Disappointed. I feel a little helpless too. Which is the worst feeling of them all. My main income is C4S. It has been for many years, since I started in 2012. I was also uploading content onto IWC. I did decent there but nothing like C4S. A few months ago I began uploading content onto xHamster premium which is now Fap house I believe. Decent on there too but again, not the income from C4S. I need to start on another site because this is not looking good. New clips are getting approved at a snail's pace IF they get approved. I uploaded a different format clip that has been in my store for months, I guess they review those too.

Not to take the focus off C4S but I heard someone say MV might be better right now? I'll start uploading content there and hopefully it's better.

It's disheartening. I used to be excited to upload a new clip but now I don't even know how LONG it will take or if it will even get approved. I'm following the new rules but who knows. It all seems so uncertain.
I wish there was something we could do.

I'll just keep making clips and uploading, hoping for the best with C4S but also trying out other platforms.

pramilaganguly
10-17-2021, 12:49 AM
I posted a clip on 15th, then deleted it yesterday and reposted. And after 2 days (if the original date is counted as 1 day) it got published but then it wont show up as a new release but a clip from 15th so it does not even show up on any front page or anything and i guess i am just wasting my time trying to upload content as c4s wont even approve/review it within 2 hours as promised or even 1 day, its their fault that they are not able to review content and on top they wont even show the clips which they approve after several days as new clip. So i lose my upload and my time and my money! Great going

SuperPookie
10-17-2021, 01:07 AM
I posted a clip on 15th, then deleted it yesterday and reposted. And after 2 days (if the original date is counted as 1 day) it got published but then it wont show up as a new release but a clip from 15th so it does not even show up on any front page or anything and i guess i am just wasting my time trying to upload content as c4s wont even approve/review it within 2 hours as promised or even 1 day, its their fault that they are not able to review content and on top they wont even show the clips which they approve after several days as new clip. So i lose my upload and my time and my money! Great going

Wait- so clips that are delayed in releasing because C4S staff didn't review them in time don't show up in the new released section? I thought they showed up as new but just went live later than we had intended them to.

MissAdriana
10-17-2021, 09:13 AM
Wait- so clips that are delayed in releasing because C4S staff didn't review them in time don't show up in the new released section? I thought they showed up as new but just went live later than we had intended them to.

That's news to me but probably is the reason why I have $0 sales since the 15th

Tea4Me
10-17-2021, 11:28 AM
I'm going to try and be positive here..... It's only been 3 days. I mean, when new clips don't get posted THEY also don't make money. They've got to be working on a better way to do this or bring more people in or *something*. However, it would be nice of them to acknowledge that in an admin note: "Yeah, sorry, things are taking longer than originally planned. We are working hard to make this a more efficient process to shorten the delay of new clips being posted". Or SOMETHING. Just let us KNOW.

It's got to get better.... It's a new process. Perhaps they just (GROSSLY!!) underestimated how much time it would take and they are scrambling behind the scenes to move things along faster. I'm hoping.

ericachronic
10-17-2021, 11:58 AM
What they should do is have you setup the clip (upload it, fill in all the info, ect) and then click a "submit for review".

If its approved you can then schedule to be released or release it now.

That way we can still control when the clips get released with out relying on some unpredictable submission time frame.

boyru
10-17-2021, 01:36 PM
What they should do is have you setup the clip (upload it, fill in all the info, ect) and then click a "submit for review".

If its approved you can then schedule to be released or release it now.



It will be excellent!!! I vote for this!!!

Tea4Me
10-17-2021, 05:37 PM
Anyone see the new admin note? Are they reading this thread?!! lol

Also, I wasn't really clear about the mention of legacy content.... Were they saying "Oops...that was in there by accident and it didn't/doesn't need to be reviewed"?

Natalie0523
10-17-2021, 06:23 PM
Anyone see the new admin note? Are they reading this thread?!! lol

Also, I wasn't really clear about the mention of legacy content.... Were they saying "Oops...that was in there by accident and it didn't/doesn't need to be reviewed"?

Yes I just saw it. I would think someone who works there would be reading this thread. I feel there is some valuable info here that they can benefit from.

That's what I got too from the legacy content being mentioned. Their message made me feel tiny bit better.

And also like you mentioned, I just need to remain positive. Yesterday was a bad day for me and then the whole thing with C4S really got to me. Hopefully we all find our rhythm and our new normal with C4S and things can continue on.

I did upload a clip last night and today received a message stating my performer profile is incomplete, please correct my date of birth and re-submit clip for compliance review. I'm not sure where they mean exactly because I don't see anything with DOB in my 'add clip to clip store" area. I went to Compliance, then add new performer profile but I filled that out already. I tried filling it out again with my DOB but says my name is not unique (because I had done this already.) I messaged them because I don't know where else to go for DOB. It's probably right in front of my face lol. Has anyone received a message like this? Where did you go to enter the info? Appreciate it =)

Tea4Me
10-17-2021, 06:37 PM
Yes I just saw it. I would think someone who works there would be reading this thread. I feel there is some valuable info here that they can benefit from.

That's what I got too from the legacy content being mentioned. Their message made me feel tiny bit better.

And also like you mentioned, I just need to remain positive. Yesterday was a bad day for me and then the whole thing with C4S really got to me. Hopefully we all find our rhythm and our new normal with C4S and things can continue on.

I did upload a clip last night and today received a message stating my performer profile is incomplete, please correct my date of birth and re-submit clip for compliance review. I'm not sure where they mean exactly because I don't see anything with DOB in my 'add clip to clip store" area. I went to Compliance, then add new performer profile but I filled that out already. I tried filling it out again with my DOB but says my name is not unique (because I had done this already.) I messaged them because I don't know where else to go for DOB. It's probably right in front of my face lol. Has anyone received a message like this? Where did you go to enter the info? Appreciate it =)



I totally get it about being in a funk about this, I have been too. Like you, C4S is my main income as well and watching this unfold has been stressful.

As for the DOB, did you check/try to edit your current profile? Under the LIST PERFORMERS tab there is the "List Saved Performer Compliance Profiles" (Side note: Shouldn't it be "List OF Saved...."). Did you try clicking on the EDIT link after your performer name and just changing your DOB that way?

boyru
10-17-2021, 11:23 PM
I fixed grammatic in previously reviewed+approved clip. Now this clip is offline again and in queue for review :(

AlyssaJ
10-18-2021, 01:30 PM
Has anyone had a clip rejected/changes demanded for anything SPOKEN within the clip? If so, not sure I want to continue clip making at all as lots of dialogue is my thing and it would be too hard to avoid every single banned word. (like I get slurs etc, but there are so many everyday words on the banned list too)

AlyssaJ
10-18-2021, 01:34 PM
I fixed grammatic in previously reviewed+approved clip. Now this clip is offline again and in queue for review :(


I changed the description of a very old clip and was surprised it went into review as I thought this would only apply to clips added after Oct 15. I don't know what to make of the bit mentioning legacy content in the new message. Will they or will they not review legacy content?

AlyssaJ
10-18-2021, 01:46 PM
Wow.

Not to take the focus off C4S but I heard someone say MV might be better right now? I'll start uploading content there and hopefully it's better.

It's disheartening. I used to be excited to upload a new clip but now I don't even know how LONG it will take or if it will even get approved. I'm following the new rules but who knows. It all seems so uncertain.
I wish there was something we could do.

I'll just keep making clips and uploading, hoping for the best with C4S but also trying out other platforms.

I feel the same way. C4S is not my main income but I would have wanted to make it so. Now it's too unreliable. I posted a custom today and couldn't even tell the guy if he could expect it today or tomorrow (or at all through this site, who knows) I Want Clips are also manually approving clips now so probably most other sites will be forced too. Another clip of mine was taken down on IWC because I was a fantasy villain with a sword. "No weapons rule", even in solo clips, and even a fantasy prop. I should laugh about it but I'm sad. I feel I have to take out all my creativity which is the fun of making clips.

AlyssaJ
10-18-2021, 02:23 PM
I just realized something else - I haven't been getting sales e-mails for years now. I get an occasional one here and there and also general info mails, so they have the right e-mail. I also tried new e-mail client, still same. I tried numerous times to solve this with support but gave up. If any change demands for my pending clips are sent with the faulty mailing system, I might not see them!

Where do you see the status of your pending clips? My last one has been marked as "inactive" for hours now. Do you get a dash board notification when status changes? Or is all by e-mail?

Natalie0523
10-18-2021, 04:39 PM
I totally get it about being in a funk about this, I have been too. Like you, C4S is my main income as well and watching this unfold has been stressful.

As for the DOB, did you check/try to edit your current profile? Under the LIST PERFORMERS tab there is the "List Saved Performer Compliance Profiles" (Side note: Shouldn't it be "List OF Saved...."). Did you try clicking on the EDIT link after your performer name and just changing your DOB that way?

Thanks for your help. I went back in and added my DOB. Support also responded and stated go to List Performers. I just did it a minute ago so here's hoping it goes through without another issue.