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AlyssaJ
08-19-2022, 05:07 AM
Also found my previews on a site claiming to sell them. Those were taken from manyvids though, since I only have uploaded a handful there so far and it was those exact clips.
AlyssaJ
08-19-2022, 05:15 AM
I found another glitch - I don't think it's significant but wondered if anyone else have seen it. A couple of my clips have a later date and time in my clip list (added:) and in my store, several days later then the clip was actually posted. It shows the right time and date in the category. I hope it doesn't affect anything.
Incantatious
08-19-2022, 02:24 PM
I'm WAY out of the loop with this, so apologies, but is C4S down for anyone else?
WonderWoman0642
08-20-2022, 06:42 AM
Yep that was strange. I called support about it but they said it is legit. It seems C4S uses some "tube sites" to promote their content. It seems like putting in keywords and categories lead to this. I see that my keywords are being used to sort my content into their respectable tube site categories.
Also some sites appear to have your clips but they are scam sites that just take the description and preview. A scam Site claims to have a clip that I never sold...
Also is this 2nd half of the month/middle slow for anyone else? I've read some older commentary here and it seems to be the case. I started on late July and up to the middle of the month it was consistently good and now I'm getting half hits and bad sales... Coincidentally that is also when the new logo and the global rank glitch came, hope it's not affecting anything.
It's been slow for me too. I'm not getting as many multiple clip orders either-just single clips. But I worked with a fetish producer recently and he said his sales are at an all time high-and he's been doing this for ten years. But he also hires models and has a cool location. I really want to move into a bigger space soon.
WonderWoman0642
08-20-2022, 06:45 AM
Also found my previews on a site claiming to sell them. Those were taken from manyvids though, since I only have uploaded a handful there so far and it was those exact clips.
Me too-the one from manyvids has the exact order of my clips and everything
WonderWoman0642
08-20-2022, 06:49 AM
This model posted a link to one these sites on her twitter...ugh. I think it's one of the sites that just claim to have our videos but we should still keep the links private.
WonderWoman0642
08-20-2022, 07:01 AM
I have some traffic coming from Twitter. I like Twitter since we can actually post links to our videos. But I hate instagram. I still use it, but I'm thinking about deleting it. Do any of you find instagram to be worth it for marketing?
AllieRabbits
08-20-2022, 09:14 AM
I have some traffic coming from Twitter. I like Twitter since we can actually post links to our videos. But I hate instagram. I still use it, but I'm thinking about deleting it. Do any of you find instagram to be worth it for marketing?
Instagram is not worth it IMO. Many ppl I know get banned many times and it isn't friendly towards adult content. Twitter isn't supportive exactly but much more tolerant. And there is a larger fetish community on twitter if that's what you do. Twitter is my main but also use DeviantArt and FetLife along with it.
Do you guys also think larger high rank studios with all the serious production stuff are less susceptible to bad periods and more stable? Like a small raft in the ocean will just have to follow where the waves go but a larger one will just cruise through... They have a base of loyal customers who will buy their stuff no matter what, while smaller new stores have to hope to catch attention of curious people.
Yes I haven't had large orders in a while too. I think the larger studios with all of the serious productions are
SophiaSylvan
08-20-2022, 09:35 AM
Apparently, medical oxygen masks are now considered "drug paraphernalia". So there goes medical fetish category.
What the fuck? Can you share more about this?
Victoria_Gray
08-21-2022, 11:25 PM
Re - the sites reposting C4S content, apparently it's something C4S is doing to try and promote us. Read back in the thread for more info.
AlyssaJ
08-22-2022, 01:14 AM
What the fuck? Can you share more about this?
My clip wasn't approved because I use an oxygen mask in it, stating no drug paraphernalia is allowed and no drugs "real or fictious". BUT they approved it after I argued I say nothing about drugs and that air is a gas. A POV clip and I mention "kinky gas", breathing, relaxing etc. So complaining can help. I think there are different reviewers making different decisions about the grey zone topics. But this was the first time C4S was stricter than IWC and about a totally new and unexpected thing, so it's worrying. I wouldn't be upset if this censorship actually was about protecting producers and models, but this is just ridiculous.
WonderWoman0642
08-22-2022, 06:55 AM
^You're right, it depends on who is reviewing it. My MP4 version of a clip was approved but they didn't approve the WMV version. I really want to shoot more erotic magic/horror type stuff but I don't know if it would be worth the effort. I worked with a bondage/DID producer recently-he said we can't do any scenes where I appear to be passed out or sleeping. i understand being careful but it really takes away the creativity with certain fetishes.
WonderWoman0642
08-22-2022, 07:24 AM
I have a customer who used to order items from my wishlist. Well, more like one thing here and there. But he would also order a bunch of stuff that wasn't on the list. This was 3-4 years ago. I didn't keep all this stuff because it was just taking up space. And I didn't ask for it anyways. He just emailed me asking for a custom of me wearing the items. I'm so annoyed.
laurielegs
08-22-2022, 12:52 PM
I have a customer who used to order items from my wishlist. Well, more like one thing here and there. But he would also order a bunch of stuff that wasn't on the list. This was 3-4 years ago. I didn't keep all this stuff because it was just taking up space. And I didn't ask for it anyways. He just emailed me asking for a custom of me wearing the items. I'm so annoyed.
Good grief that's a long time ago. I'd be tempted to tell him it was lost in a fire or flood years ago if you didn't want to have to repurchase all that stuff to do the custom.
WonderWoman0642
08-22-2022, 01:27 PM
^I just might do that. He is one of those guys who thinks he's a huge fan because he will send a random gift, and comment all over my social media. He always tries to talk to me on twitter. But he's only ordered a custom from me once before. I don't even want to be bothered with it.
AlyssaJ
08-23-2022, 05:13 AM
^I just might do that. He is one of those guys who thinks he's a huge fan because he will send a random gift, and comment all over my social media. He always tries to talk to me on twitter. But he's only ordered a custom from me once before. I don't even want to be bothered with it.
I would say I enjoyed the stuff until they wore out lol. If I don't want to do a particular custom but want to keep the customer I say I don't have access to something required, or don't have time for several months.
WonderWoman0642
08-27-2022, 01:39 PM
Is C4S running slow lately, like when you try to login? I've been having problems with my computer so maybe that's all it is. But it seems very glitchy on my end.
Victoria_Gray
08-28-2022, 09:07 PM
^I just might do that. He is one of those guys who thinks he's a huge fan because he will send a random gift, and comment all over my social media. He always tries to talk to me on twitter. But he's only ordered a custom from me once before. I don't even want to be bothered with it.
So he remembers really well what he sent? That's crazy. I never remember gifts I purchase for birthdays, etc.
Tea4Me
09-02-2022, 09:51 PM
Why is the most recent update on the main page HOURS ago...? :-(
lilly90xxx
09-03-2022, 06:50 AM
I saw that since my clip scheduled for today didn't show up. I contacted the support and they acted like they knew nothing asking me first for my info, to check if they talk with a store owner like it matters when the whole site is not updating :banghead: Now I am waiting for another response.
Tea4Me
09-03-2022, 08:32 AM
Yup. Had a clip approved last night and it's still not in my store this morning. I contacted support and the first person I spoke to said they would refresh my store or something and I should see it within the hour. That didn't happen, so I contacted them again and was told that they are aware of the problem and they are working to resolve it as soon as possible.
If you look on the main page, the last posted update was at 8:50 pm last night.
The ranking still isn't working in the admin and I wonder if it's going to be like the stats and take MONTHS for it to work again. And I suspect the top lists in categories aren't refreshing like they should be. I have a clip from two months ago ranking higher than a clip from a few weeks ago that I've made more sales on.
Other than the new (ugly) logo, I don't get what they are doing with the site. And they never tell us anything, no messages in the admin about these things.
To finish off with a positive (lol)...I will say the 10% off sale is nice and customers have been taking advantage of it.
Tea4Me
09-03-2022, 03:55 PM
Update: Clip approved last night around 11:15 pm is finally showing in my store.
AlyssaJ
09-04-2022, 06:24 AM
Update on my price increase:
In June I slightly increased my prices after having the standard 1USD/min + 0.99 since 2016. It does not seem to have had any negative impact. I have actually had my best selling summer ever despite only posting about 3 clips a month (note this is a side income for me and about half of my clips are customs)
I raised my custom rate from 10USD/min to 12USD/min and nobody has complained. For clips I upped 2 USD on new clips (prices on old clips remain the same), so a 12 min clip I used to price 12.99, and now 14.99. Clips 20-30 min are 19.99 like before though. Over the years I noticed for short clips a few dollars more or less on the price don't seem to matter, but clips 20+ minutes don't sell too well if they are over 1USD/min.
A couple dollars more every sale adds up :) It's time to increase prices ladies! <3
Growlerpussy
09-04-2022, 07:08 AM
I opened a new studio for a specific fetish (only audio) and it doesn't give me the option "Disable preview for this Clip" . I asked costumer service and they told me I have to upload first a preview for a clip to get the option. What stupidity is that? I have 2 other studios and I not once uploaded a preview and always had the option.
Does anyone else who opened a new studio has the problem?
Victoria_Gray
09-04-2022, 10:32 PM
I opened a new studio for a specific fetish (only audio) and it doesn't give me the option "Disable preview for this Clip" . I asked costumer service and they told me I have to upload first a preview for a clip to get the option. What stupidity is that? I have 2 other studios and I not once uploaded a preview and always had the option.
Does anyone else who opened a new studio has the problem?
That is really weird.
Perhaps contact support again and see if you can get a different person?
Growlerpussy
09-05-2022, 03:51 AM
Got a response:
Studios are no longer capable of selecting the Disable Preview option for newer studios. The process of removing/disabling this option was first released in August of 2020. The legacy studios, however, were allowed to keep the "no preview" option, however, if you change it once on the EDIT CLIPS SITE to allow previews, you won't be able to go back to not allowing previews.
Customers depend on descriptions and previews to decide if they want to purchase a clip or not. If you do not want to create your own previews, you can select one of the system-generated options.
AlyssaJ
09-05-2022, 07:48 AM
Again, one of my two formats was denied while the other was approved (yes, the exact same clip) And again it was approved after I complained. This is becoming a routine nowadays. This time it was disapproved because of "promoting self-harm" - a POV roleplay clip including violence performed by me towards the viewer. But, then how can we have CBT, executrix, BDSM, penectomy categories AT ALL? To just name a few. Even though my clips so far have gone up after my protest (never a reply they just get approved lol) it is a worrying trend. I would like to future proof my work and have somewhere to direct customers when my favorite categories go down for good.
Has anyone set up their own site? Is it even possible to find an adult friendly way to set up a payment processor/online business service?
ericachronic
09-06-2022, 12:28 PM
Got a response:
Studios are no longer capable of selecting the Disable Preview option for newer studios. The process of removing/disabling this option was first released in August of 2020. The legacy studios, however, were allowed to keep the "no preview" option, however, if you change it once on the EDIT CLIPS SITE to allow previews, you won't be able to go back to not allowing previews.
Customers depend on descriptions and previews to decide if they want to purchase a clip or not. If you do not want to create your own previews, you can select one of the system-generated options.
If that were true then why do clips that I set with my own previews use there dumb auto generated ones on the affiliate landing page? Its really annoying to have the money shot included in the auto generated preview and I can't change it even with my own preview selected.
Growlerpussy
09-10-2022, 12:59 PM
Something weird is going on. I upload almost every day one audioclip. Since months there's not one day where I don't sell at least 1.
Now the 6th day in a row without a sale. I have massive views, but no sales. I just can't believe it, even the cheapest ones don't sell. I send emails out , doesn't seem to help.
I just don't believe it.
naomi_doll
09-10-2022, 01:01 PM
Something weird is going on. I upload almost every day one audioclip. Since months there's not one day where I don't sell at least 1.
Now the 6th day in a row without a sale. I have massive views, but no sales. I just can't believe it, even the cheapest ones don't sell. I send emails out , doesn't seem to help.
I just don't believe it.
Yeah I uploaded 2 videos a day starting Wednesday and nothing. Selling way better on manyvids.
WonderWoman0642
09-11-2022, 05:30 AM
Yeah, I feel like C4S is just steady going downhill. I rarely get multiple clip orders these days. The site looks terrible too. I'm still posting my videos there but I decided to explore other sites. I'm more into fetish than hardcore content, which is why I loved C4S. I think when the site had all the issues, people stopped updating as much and then traffic dropped. I know a few people who closed their studios altogether. Also, we still can't see our internal traffic under stats-which is really odd at this point.
laurielegs
09-14-2022, 03:57 AM
I somewhat recently spent hundreds of hours making the best goon/mesmerize clip ever, or at least that was the goal. Now quality with those certainly is subjective af, but I will certainly say that it has quite high production value.
Now I fuckin killed myself making it, used expensive assets, licensed music, used my $5000 camera to film it, greenscreened it, plenty of overtime was involved released it in 4k, took my 3090 quite a while. got it approved and...
Fucking bombed. Worst video ever. Especially considering the time investment. And worst of all? Everybody who has seen it friggin loved it.
In fact, sold less than some old dogshit video of me that only had me in my apartment with a lazy mirrored transparency effect and "hypnotic" boop sound effect. My fucking heart!
In a moment like that I wonder to myself:
Why in the funk do I even bother?
I know I'm not the first artist to whom this has happened either. This might, or might not have been a marketing failure. Sometimes the algo doesn't pick you up and that's that...
So I eventually released it for free, got millions of views across the tube sites, everybody really loves it - guess that's cool, I consider it a marketing success - but indeed, one very frequently finds that 100x the effort doesn't equal 100x the paycheck.
In a moment like this you're deeply frustrated because, let's be real here, you know that some people can just dispassionately phone it in (for a while) and make bank.
But I make this post only to share with you a rather obvious take-away:
Quality does not matter nearly as much as you think. Or even at all, really? Basic competency and attractiveness is all that's needed sometimes lol. Marketing does. Nobody is paying you for being "the best" at anything. You are being paid for selling. A sale pays you. I stopped putting in effort and just spend all my time promoting and, fuck dude, better paycheck than ever. Keep in mind, I just feel a little salty about the whole affair.
Guess that's the game. Please don't be stupid like me. Nobody is paying you for being the bestest most kindest businesswoman, willing to always put in the hours, concerned with value for her custies. We're much more like... Mobile gaming (no offense intended). Fulfill a need, catch your whales.
Bumping this! I feel like this post deserves another look.
This is a lesson I've had to learn yet again. My consistency suffers because I try to make everything perfect. It's ridiculous.
My tendency toward perfectionism isn't padding my bank account and it's not making my fans happy. They want something released a few times a week at least. Today I decided to make two new mesmerize / mindfuck clips and where it would usually take me at least a few days to even weeks to complete just one, I was able to finish two in a day.
I rewatched a few minutes ago and they are almost as good as some others I spent so much time nitpicking every single thing. I'm going to be aiming for "good enough" which will allow me to produce so many more clips than I usually do.
AlyssaJ
09-20-2022, 05:02 AM
Absolutely agree! Clipmaking has been a good teacher to battle my perfectionism. There is a sweet spot with how much effort is worth it for every clip. It can't be total crap or you won't build a fan base. I believe acting/performance ability is the most important, understanding the fetish and connect through the lens with your niche audience. You can only develop this by making a LOT of clips and it is so much more important than perfect lighting, editing and looks.
Marketing is everything just like in every business (I consider C4S's share my marketing budget as I don't do any marketing myself) Consistency will take you forward even if it doesn't seem like it atm. Even if your most perfect clip ever doesn't sell, it will likely push customers towards your other clips.
I also want to add that there is a sweet spot with how much each clip pays when it comes to frequency. In the slower niches, posting 10 x more often won't give you 10 x more sales. I try to not disappear off the first page in the categories, but that can take a day or months depending on category. So I will make more of the fetishes that are high in demand without forgetting to stay relevant in the more odd ones.
Growlerpussy
09-22-2022, 11:37 PM
Almost same here. I record only audios, and I do my best to get the sfx right. Sold tons. Now worked for a few weeks with a pro, he has a professional studio and the last 10 of my audios had the best quality you can get. Didn't sold one of em. No clue why
MissAdriana
09-28-2022, 12:21 PM
This time it was disapproved because of "promoting self-harm" - a POV roleplay clip including violence performed by me towards the viewer. But, then how can we have CBT, executrix, BDSM, penectomy categories AT ALL?
Yes it is very confusing!!! I have seen some questionable content but I guess it falls under 'acting' because both performers are probably submitted their contracts and consent forms to the site. But 1 of us pretending to punch the camera or something is bad? I thought these new rules were to protect people from revenge porn etc But this just seems like plain censorship
Growlerpussy
09-29-2022, 05:20 AM
Something weird is going on. 2 days ago i had a normal JOI audio under review for 5 hours. Normally my audios are online after 20 minutes. So i wrote livechat and the response was that I used Word I wasnt allowed to use. And the audio woulde be "pending". The second I checked it was pending, 10 seconds earlier it wasn't .
There was not 1 word in the whole audio that was against the rules, so I told him that and 5 minutes later it was online.
And now again, a normal masturbation ecouragement audio is is still under review after 2 hours. Anyone else has problems like that?
MissAdriana
09-29-2022, 07:11 AM
What was the word? Why cant they post a banned words list on the front page? I have been uploading boring stuff that doesnt sell much because its all very well within the rules. All of my femdom stuff aka the sellers I dont even bother anymore since they were all in pending so long. I barely have any energy to make clips anymore made less than half what I made on clips for sale this month last year
WonderWoman0642
09-29-2022, 07:34 AM
^Same here. I don't have the energy for C4S so I don't post as much but then my sales go down because of it. I'm going to post more for October but I'm losing faith in the site.
Growlerpussy
09-29-2022, 11:39 PM
What was the word? Why cant they post a banned words list on the front page? I have been uploading boring stuff that doesnt sell much because its all very well within the rules. All of my femdom stuff aka the sellers I dont even bother anymore since they were all in pending so long. I barely have any energy to make clips anymore made less than half what I made on clips for sale this month last year
The word was mommy, but that word wasn't in my audio at all. I guess there was a mixup.It was just a jerk off instruction, very harmless. I know that all thos incest related words are banned.
AlyssaJ
10-03-2022, 09:28 AM
Something weird is going on. 2 days ago i had a normal JOI audio under review for 5 hours. Normally my audios are online after 20 minutes. So i wrote livechat and the response was that I used Word I wasnt allowed to use. And the audio woulde be "pending". The second I checked it was pending, 10 seconds earlier it wasn't .
There was not 1 word in the whole audio that was against the rules, so I told him that and 5 minutes later it was online.
And now again, a normal masturbation ecouragement audio is is still under review after 2 hours. Anyone else has problems like that?
It's just my guess, but they have AI checking clips and if something is flagged, a staff member has to review it manually which means additional time even if it gets approved. The AI is not perfect, so they probably moved you up the queue because you contacted them.
Growlerpussy
10-04-2022, 02:33 PM
Re - the sites reposting C4S content, apparently it's something C4S is doing to try and promote us. Read back in the thread for more info.
Well here it is:
Clips4sale is now investing in targeted traffic to bring customers directly to your content by using new traffic sites and specialized previews designed to drive converting traffic. This will benefit all active Creators on the platform and will help boost your sales as well as maximize your visibility within the fetish market. Don’t worry, you always have the option to OPT-OUT if you prefer.
ALL CONTENT CREATORS ARE AUTOMATICALLY SIGNED UP FOR THE EXPANDED TRAFFIC PROGRAM.
All new sites driving traffic will be listed in your admin on the STATS PAGE where you will be able to see the hits from those sites. We are working with sites such as the Adult Search Engine - Pornfaze.com and TubeBDSM.com and many others, which will drive more customers and generate more sales for your store. To opt-out of the program, or opt-out of specialized previews you can do so HERE.
p0rnunicorn
10-07-2022, 10:23 AM
Well here it is:
Clips4sale is now investing in targeted traffic to bring customers directly to your content by using new traffic sites and specialized previews designed to drive converting traffic. This will benefit all active Creators on the platform and will help boost your sales as well as maximize your visibility within the fetish market. Don’t worry, you always have the option to OPT-OUT if you prefer.
ALL CONTENT CREATORS ARE AUTOMATICALLY SIGNED UP FOR THE EXPANDED TRAFFIC PROGRAM.
All new sites driving traffic will be listed in your admin on the STATS PAGE where you will be able to see the hits from those sites. We are working with sites such as the Adult Search Engine - Pornfaze.com and TubeBDSM.com and many others, which will drive more customers and generate more sales for your store. To opt-out of the program, or opt-out of specialized previews you can do so HERE.
I saw some of my content was linked at PornFaze.com and I was going to report it through the DMCA takedown tool at Clips4Sale, but when I started copying the links, I noticed they linked directly to my Clips4Sale store and had some affiliate code within it. I decided to hold off on reporting at the time, figuring it was somehow legitimate due to the affiliate code. Some guy's name was contained within the code.
Felicia[FightServ]
10-07-2022, 07:36 PM
Did compliance approval times go up for anyone else? An hour used to be unusually long, now it seems to be the bare minimum.
WonderWoman0642
10-07-2022, 07:41 PM
^Same here
justsometwat
10-08-2022, 07:07 AM
My compliance approval times are usually within a few minutes. Occasionally when I schedule a video that isn't going to be posted for a week or so it isn't approved for a bit, but not often.
Felicia[FightServ]
10-08-2022, 05:04 PM
;3293848']Not sure if anyone was using the Buy Now Button HTML or direct checkout form links, but they are currently broken.
My sites used them extensively. :(
Just wanted to give an update that this is now fixed.
I also made a script to build a pre-populated C4S checkout link. This is in case you want to send customers to a "Buy Now" form that already has a few clips added to it, like a bundle.
http://mixedboxing.net/c4s-form.php
Tea4Me
10-08-2022, 10:46 PM
Great. Now if they could only get the Widgets working again, that'd be nice....
Victoria_Gray
10-09-2022, 11:55 PM
I saw some of my content was linked at PornFaze.com and I was going to report it through the DMCA takedown tool at Clips4Sale, but when I started copying the links, I noticed they linked directly to my Clips4Sale store and had some affiliate code within it. I decided to hold off on reporting at the time, figuring it was somehow legitimate due to the affiliate code. Some guy's name was contained within the code.
I'd be interested in knowing who the guy is actually.
Tea4Me
10-10-2022, 08:12 AM
I'd be interested in knowing who the guy is actually.
trevor.
A snippet of the URL: utm_source=trevor&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=22-06-07
another one: utm_source=pbweb_lander_v1&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=22-06-07
I also noticed, for my clips that I found on there that a CID code was apart of the URL as well and I'm assuming that is a specialized one for C4S to track if the sales are converting. Because it wasn't the same as my own CID code for my store.
Has anyone here Opted OUT of this program?
AlyssaJ
10-12-2022, 11:10 AM
Another bug? When I look at individual clips in a store (when the design is black), most descriptions that are longer than a few sentences are cut off so you can't read the last lines, even after I click "read more". It doesn't seem to be cut at a fixed length, but just before the last rows. Really annoying if customers can't read entire descriptions, and I suspect many come in from clicking clip lists. Funny enough, this doesn't apply to any clip on the main page top list.