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Felicia[FightServ]
10-12-2022, 02:24 PM
Another bug? When I look at individual clips in a store (when the design is black), most descriptions that are longer than a few sentences are cut off so you can't read the last lines, even after I click "read more". It doesn't seem to be cut at a fixed length, but just before the last rows. Really annoying if customers can't read entire descriptions, and I suspect many come in from clicking clip lists. Funny enough, this doesn't apply to any clip on the main page top list.

I noticed this yesterday but chalked it up to using an alternative browser (Brave) on a smaller monitor.
Tried it again on Firefox at 1920x1080 and yes, longer descriptions are getting cut off :/

AlyssaJ
10-13-2022, 04:11 AM
Chatted with support (jeez, they really don't pay attention to what you write, do they?) and finally got a confirmation they see it on their end too. So let's see how long it stays that way :P

SophiaSylvan
10-13-2022, 02:38 PM
I'm going to send this to support and let y'all know what they say, if you want.

It's Halloween season, and I have a lot of questions about what is or isn't allowed when I'm planning my seasonal content, which I LOVE to create and find very fun and inspiring. I'm aware of the increased cc rules, but there are some ideas I have that I'm not sure about.

If I play a horny ghost, will that be considered "necro"?

If I dress up like a cat, for some pet play, is that considered "bestiality" or is that okay now to act like an animal?

If I play a vampire in a nun costume under what conditions is that allowed for the religious category? Can I mention religion at all? We are no longer allowed to be blasphemous or use religious symbols, is that right? Is masturbation in a nun costume for Halloween allowed? I know fake blood (or real blood) are huge no-nos.

SophiaSylvan
10-13-2022, 02:41 PM
Chatted with support (jeez, they really don't pay attention to what you write, do they?) and finally got a confirmation they see it on their end too. So let's see how long it stays that way :P

I saw this happening on and off for a while now, it always seems to resolve itself in a day or so. Seems to be only noticeable with longer descriptions (mine are)

WonderWoman0642
10-13-2022, 03:32 PM
Is anyone having issues uploading tonight?

WonderWoman0642
10-13-2022, 03:33 PM
I'm going to send this to support and let y'all know what they say, if you want.

It's Halloween season, and I have a lot of questions about what is or isn't allowed when I'm planning my seasonal content, which I LOVE to create and find very fun and inspiring. I'm aware of the increased cc rules, but there are some ideas I have that I'm not sure about.

If I play a horny ghost, will that be considered "necro"?

If I dress up like a cat, for some pet play, is that considered "bestiality" or is that okay now to act like an animal?

If I play a vampire in a nun costume under what conditions is that allowed for the religious category? Can I mention religion at all? We are no longer allowed to be blasphemous or use religious symbols, is that right? Is masturbation in a nun costume for Halloween allowed? I know fake blood (or real blood) are huge no-nos.

I'm curious about this too.

AlyssaJ
10-14-2022, 03:31 AM
I'm going to send this to support and let y'all know what they say, if you want.

It's Halloween season, and I have a lot of questions about what is or isn't allowed when I'm planning my seasonal content, which I LOVE to create and find very fun and inspiring. I'm aware of the increased cc rules, but there are some ideas I have that I'm not sure about.

If I play a horny ghost, will that be considered "necro"?

If I dress up like a cat, for some pet play, is that considered "bestiality" or is that okay now to act like an animal?

If I play a vampire in a nun costume under what conditions is that allowed for the religious category? Can I mention religion at all? We are no longer allowed to be blasphemous or use religious symbols, is that right? Is masturbation in a nun costume for Halloween allowed? I know fake blood (or real blood) are huge no-nos.

Spontaneously I would say of course those must be allowed but who knows nowadays :P On IWantClips my clips are rarely accepted now, when they are usually fine on C4S. But lately more clips of mine are denied on C4S too (though accepted once I argue) Reasons for denial have been unexpected and far fetched sometimes.

I was wondering about "in a Halloween costume" as the theme is described - most of my clips are somewhat horror related, but that doesn't mean I am in an obvious costume. Don't know if I can/should tag them.

WonderWoman0642
10-14-2022, 04:18 AM
^ I want to shoot more horror stuff but I don't know if I can deal with the work arounds. My vampire clip was denied, but then approved once I said something. Still, it took a while to get approved.

AlyssaJ
10-14-2022, 10:26 AM
^ I want to shoot more horror stuff but I don't know if I can deal with the work arounds. My vampire clip was denied, but then approved once I said something. Still, it took a while to get approved.

It has sparked some creativity, I have to say. Like using household items as weapons and just generally developing the dialogue and atmosphere instead of visuals. But there is only so much you can do to avoid *everything* and it often feels very constricting and lame. I do push the limits - kinda have to as there are so many grey zones and question marks - but knowing doing so clip might not be approved.

Victoria_Gray
10-17-2022, 02:55 AM
trevor.

A snippet of the URL: utm_source=trevor&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=22-06-07

another one: utm_source=pbweb_lander_v1&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=22-06-07

I also noticed, for my clips that I found on there that a CID code was apart of the URL as well and I'm assuming that is a specialized one for C4S to track if the sales are converting. Because it wasn't the same as my own CID code for my store.

Has anyone here Opted OUT of this program?

I am staying in the program, because I can't see a reason to leave just yet. My C4S is usually pretty dead anyway, so anything that might help...

Classy_Katy
10-18-2022, 10:00 PM
Expanded Traffic Program UPDATE
We apologize for any C4S Creator that found the Specialized Previews used in the Expanded Traffic Program to be inconsistent with their desired brand image. We value feedback from all of our Creators and we understand the importance of creative control over your content and your brand.
As of last Friday, October 14th, any C4S Content Creator in the Expanded Traffic Program who has created their own GIF images and previews for their clips, either via the Preview Maker in the admin or by uploading them when adding your clips will have their previews used in all marketing. You no longer need to OPT-OUT of Specialized Previews.
Only if a C4S Creator selects to use an auto-generated GIF or clip preview when adding a clip will we create a Specialized Preview for you.


My sales have been better since last year, anyone know how we opt back in without individually changing every clip to auto?

lilly90xxx
10-19-2022, 09:57 AM
Just a tip about expanded traffic program for the girls that would like to stay in this program. Be careful with your DMCA :D

My sales were really bad lately so I checked this site ( it starts with the word porn) to see my clips there. I typed my name and saw my clips there but after clicking on them it redirected me to a clips4sale site where it was written that this clip is no longer available. So instead of redirecting the customer to my store, it redirected to a main c4s site. So from a customer view, it looked like my store is nonexistent. So basically I wasn't promoted.

I contacted the support and they said I was completely removed from the traffic program because I filled a DMCA against the site in the traffic program. I never filled a DMCA against this site that I mentioned at the start ( because I knew that's the site where they promote us) so I was removed because I reported some other site. The site I didn't know was a part of the program.

When I browse for my pirated content I remove all of my existence on some weird sites, I never check if it has my full video, even if it's a preview I remove it, I don't have time to think if it's a scam site, a porn site, whatever. If I never put my image there, it not belongs there. But I was fine with the clips4sale promotion since I assumed it would be quite safe. But now I was removed since there is no list of the sites they promote us :banghead:

AlyssaJ
10-19-2022, 10:21 AM
Can't tell what gif:s/previews they use for my clips on pf now cause none seems to be working :P But half of the thumbnails are from somewhere else in the clip, seemingly random. wtf? And there is only 14 of my clips on this site, anyone have all their clips on there?

AlyssaJ
10-19-2022, 10:24 AM
Just a tip about expanded traffic program for the girls that would like to stay in this program. Be careful with your DMCA :D



Oh no, I know I posted a bunch of reports a couple months ago after finding both clips and previews on other sites. Don't know if pf was one of them since at that time they hadn't told us about the program. How are/were we supposed to know which ones are legit?

lilly90xxx
10-19-2022, 11:08 AM
So here is what I've got back :

Porn**** (this site I mentioned) is basically Google though... they only provide search results for where the clip previews were advertised through the traffic program.

If you kill the links (especially via a DMCA) on the traffic sites actually hosting the clip image or clip preview - the link chain is broken - even though the search results on Google and Porn**** still return a result for the search term, in this case, your name.

You would need to have the DMCA rescinded for the links to be added back. We do not have the ability to do this for you as we do not own the copyrights to your content.

You can tell a site is part of the traffic program when you click on the link for what you think may be your clip on a tube site or other website it will take you to Clips4Sale - again we don't post your clips on traffic site - only the clip image (GIF) or the short clip preview.



They gave me a picture of how it works so basically it looks like this:

This Porn**** site->traffic site 1, traffic site 2, traffic site 3, traffic site 4, traffic site 5->Clips4sale landing page->Your clips4 sale store

WonderWoman0642
10-19-2022, 02:28 PM
I still don't understand this method. I remember when they used to post updates to fetish forums and that was a great way to get traffic.

lilly90xxx
10-19-2022, 03:03 PM
I still don't understand this method. I remember when they used to post updates to fetish forums and that was a great way to get traffic.

Well, I hope they still do that besides this new method because if not that's not good for me since I am removed from promoting my store now. How can I get this DMCA rescinded if I don't know which site it was, not to mention I don't have time for this BS. That would never happen if we knew what sites we are on.

Tea4Me
10-19-2022, 07:58 PM
"We value feedback from all of our Creators and we understand the importance of creative control over your content and your brand."

Really? Then why not be transparent from the start and give clip producers the option of opt-ing out BEFORE doing all of this?

They even said in their reply to lily90xxx that "We do not have the ability to do this for you as we do not own the copyrights to your content."

REALLY? And yet they can make their own previews of our content?

This whole thing was disappointing.

lilly90xxx
10-20-2022, 12:05 AM
Their decision was really bad. Yesterday I was browsing thru twitter and found a girl that panicked because she was alerted by someone that her uncensored clip has leaked, she explained that she usually doesn't produce uncensored nude content, but she puts her naked body in this quite expensive clip. After some digging, she found out it was leaked by the previews that c4s made. And of course, she didn't show any nudity for this clip in her own preview and gif to protect herself. I don't get what they were thinking while doing all of this:banghead:

justsometwat
10-20-2022, 07:51 AM
Is it even doing anything for your stores? That site accounts for .33% of the traffic to my store. THAT'S NOT EVEN A WHOLE 1 PERCENT! There's no way any of those views converted to a sale.

lilly90xxx
10-20-2022, 11:01 AM
Well, it's not giving me a lot of traffic either but since I don't know if they still promote us on forums, etc it would be nice to have that working for me still. The stats are so different now that I don't know if I can even trust them. The previous stats weren't perfect but now if I see that my traffic comes from google, for example, that tells me nothing. At least on previous stats, I could see how much a category that I use was searched, now it's useless.

Tea4Me
10-20-2022, 04:44 PM
Is it even doing anything for your stores? That site accounts for .33% of the traffic to my store. THAT'S NOT EVEN A WHOLE 1 PERCENT! There's no way any of those views converted to a sale.

I opted out of the program and after I did so, I received a email from a C4S rep telling me that I would lose close to 15% of my current income if I opted out because "
as the sites are converting well for you".

And I was told:

"We are working on adding these metrics into the admin so you can track
progress yourself. For now, I wanted to share the information with you
before we removed you.

The sales increase has been month over month since July 2022 when we
began the beta tests of the expanded traffic program."

No it hasn't. (Well not for me personally)

Why weren't the STATS available at all WHILE they were doing this? As has been suggested in this thread, I wonder if they were intentionally not working so we couldn't see what they were up to.

It just erodes trust.

Tea4Me
10-20-2022, 04:50 PM
Their decision was really bad. Yesterday I was browsing thru twitter and found a girl that panicked because she was alerted by someone that her uncensored clip has leaked, she explained that she usually doesn't produce uncensored nude content, but she puts her naked body in this quite expensive clip. After some digging, she found out it was leaked by the previews that c4s made. And of course, she didn't show any nudity for this clip in her own preview and gif to protect herself. I don't get what they were thinking while doing all of this:banghead:

Yup. Because they just took our content without our consent or knowledge and just decided to make their own "specialized previews". And if you've done nudity, or a 'mystery clip' or have something in the clip that would be ruined if shown in the preview, too late now. Good luck getting them removed from all of the tube sites they put them on. And if you DO, they will still leave a still image on the tube sites and if someone clicks on it, it won't even go to your store on C4S.

I didn't want to be advertised on tube sites, but WE weren't consulted until after the fact.

Classy_Katy
10-20-2022, 11:03 PM
I've avoided nudity in my previews but my sales have improved...I don't know if that's just from being in the expanded program or from their "specialised previews" or a combination of both. I'm not going to go through all of my clips and put them on auto though, so I guess I'll find out. It is really shocking that they trashed our right to control what is seen from our clips before purchase.

SophiaSylvan
10-21-2022, 12:38 PM
Spontaneously I would say of course those must be allowed but who knows nowadays :P On IWantClips my clips are rarely accepted now, when they are usually fine on C4S. But lately more clips of mine are denied on C4S too (though accepted once I argue) Reasons for denial have been unexpected and far fetched sometimes.

I was wondering about "in a Halloween costume" as the theme is described - most of my clips are somewhat horror related, but that doesn't mean I am in an obvious costume. Don't know if I can/should tag them.

They just gave me a link to the content rules, which are kinda vague in some regards anyway.

AuroraJade
10-23-2022, 10:14 AM
How does C4S work? I uploaded two clips now but my profile has no traffic at all. Not one click. While I am selling clips on MV and IWC and doing quite well there C4S is a bust, which is weird bc they are all fetish clips.

Do I need to do something to make my store... active or something? LOL

Felicia[FightServ]
10-23-2022, 07:14 PM
How does C4S work? I uploaded two clips now but my profile has no traffic at all. Not one click. While I am selling clips on MV and IWC and doing quite well there C4S is a bust, which is weird bc they are all fetish clips.

Do I need to do something to make my store... active or something? LOL

Can you share a link to your store? In the past it took 10~ clips before you could get credit cards accepted and be officially "activated", but I'm not sure if that's the case any longer.

What categories do you update in?

Victoria_Gray
10-25-2022, 01:32 AM
Has anyone signed up to the branding webinar? I logged in today and saw it was full. I would have liked to have gone to that as I don't make the number of sales on C4S that I would like.

WonderWoman0642
10-25-2022, 08:39 AM
Has anyone signed up to the branding webinar? I logged in today and saw it was full. I would have liked to have gone to that as I don't make the number of sales on C4S that I would like.

I didn't sign up. I'm not surprised it's full, but I don't think you're missing much. Bratty Foot Girls started way back in the day and he was hiring models on a regular basis. I worked with them years ago. Now he hires models through customs. His business model is different from a solo model/producer.

Felicia[FightServ]
10-26-2022, 11:26 PM
Is the form from the admin message on 10/26/2022 18:20 (the get to know you better one) closed as well? It was only a few hours and now it says closed too.

MissAdriana
10-27-2022, 08:39 AM
It just erodes trust.





Ya I just removed a bunch of stuff because f that


How does C4S work? I uploaded two clips now but my profile has no traffic at all. Not one click. While I am selling clips on MV and IWC and doing quite well there C4S is a bust, which is weird bc they are all fetish clips.

Do I need to do something to make my store... active or something? LOL

Pretty sure you need at least 10 clips for your store to go live. To get the best traffic 2 clips per day depending on your categories

AlyssaJ
10-28-2022, 07:56 AM
How does C4S work? I uploaded two clips now but my profile has no traffic at all. Not one click. While I am selling clips on MV and IWC and doing quite well there C4S is a bust, which is weird bc they are all fetish clips.

Do I need to do something to make my store... active or something? LOL

When you are logged into your studio account, you can live chat with support and they can tell you if you need more clips to go live or if there is something else going on.

Of course more updates = more traffic, but just wanted to add to Miss Adrianas suggestion of 2 clips a day, that you can get decent traffic with only 1 clip a week or even month, but I would still advise to make more if you can in the beginning when you don't have returning fans - even if you've been on other platforms most customers have their favorite platform. An update does not only help your visibility with that clip, but also invites to check out your whole store. You can only sell as many clips to a customer as the number you have to choose from. For every new clip, I also sell a bunch of old ones.
Most customers don't look past the first page in a category so it makes sense to stay visible on it, but how fast a category rolls varies wildly. I typically post 3 clips/month since a couple years and earn about 1000USD/month from C4S, and about 100 on MV and IWC respectively. What sells on those 3 is very different and my clips just fit the C4S customer so much more. I'm in my 6th year of clips though and the first year I posted almost every day. Most of those hardly sold and I made much less than now despite more effort. But it taught me what I am good at, what I personally like AND what sells :)

WonderWoman0642
10-28-2022, 10:12 AM
When you are logged into your studio account, you can live chat with support and they can tell you if you need more clips to go live or if there is something else going on.

Of course more updates = more traffic, but just wanted to add to Miss Adrianas suggestion of 2 clips a day, that you can get decent traffic with only 1 clip a week or even month, but I would still advise to make more if you can in the beginning when you don't have returning fans - even if you've been on other platforms most customers have their favorite platform. An update does not only help your visibility with that clip, but also invites to check out your whole store. You can only sell as many clips to a customer as the number you have to choose from. For every new clip, I also sell a bunch of old ones.
Most customers don't look past the first page in a category so it makes sense to stay visible on it, but how fast a category rolls varies wildly. I typically post 3 clips/month since a couple years and earn about 1000USD/month from C4S, and about 100 on MV and IWC respectively. What sells on those 3 is very different and my clips just fit the C4S customer so much more. I'm in my 6th year of clips though and the first year I posted almost every day. Most of those hardly sold and I made much less than now despite more effort. But it taught me what I am good at, what I personally like AND what sells :)
Thanks for sharing this. I also make about 1000 USD but that is with me posting almost daily. I feel like I need a new plan. I'm struggling to come up with new ideas and I feel like I wasted too much time on my niche. I had a few categories that sold really well for years but now it's more hit or miss. I want to go in a different direction and explore new categories. I would love to post once a week (of course, putting more effort into that one clip). But I just worry my sales will decrease with less updates. I would love to make more selling clips. I will say though, there is one advantage to posting more and that is getting more customs. I get a few customs each month and that helps. I wish Clips4sale would put a custom order form on the site. ManyVids has a custom form, but most of my customs are C4S customers.

Victoria_Gray
10-30-2022, 10:20 PM
I didn't sign up. I'm not surprised it's full, but I don't think you're missing much. Bratty Foot Girls started way back in the day and he was hiring models on a regular basis. I worked with them years ago. Now he hires models through customs. His business model is different from a solo model/producer.

Fair enough, thanks for the feedback. :)

Classy_Katy
10-31-2022, 04:32 AM
It's interesting seeing how much is coming through the expanded traffic program this month (haven't seen if you can see this for past months), for one store it's nearly all my earnings and for another it's very small amount.

Felicia[FightServ]
10-31-2022, 07:20 AM
For my biggest client (HTM) it comes out to about 15% of sales.
For my own store and a smaller client who does not update as much it's 35% and 33% respectively.

sc
10-31-2022, 02:35 PM
It's interesting seeing how much is coming through the expanded traffic program this month

Thank you both for sharing, this is interesting! About 18% of my sales are attributed to the expanded traffic program.

justsometwat
11-01-2022, 02:58 PM
How are y'all seeing statistics beyond "today"?

sc
11-01-2022, 04:13 PM
How are y'all seeing statistics beyond "today"?

You can click the green "totals" to see the breakdown for the month, but I don't see any way to look at past months

justsometwat
11-01-2022, 05:07 PM
You can click the green "totals" to see the breakdown for the month, but I don't see any way to look at past months


Thank you!

Natalie0523
11-01-2022, 09:45 PM
Is anyone else not getting sales emails today?

Growlerpussy
11-02-2022, 08:20 AM
Does anyone know if the expanded traffic program works for "Audio only" studios too? I have previews for some of my audios.

MissAdriana
11-03-2022, 08:12 AM
^Good question, I thought they were using our previews or thumbnails for it so long as there is a preview it should work ? Is that not it?


Is anyone else not getting sales emails today?

Havent been getting sales emails at all for months.

Also getting $0 from the expanded traffic program. Wonder what the problem is

SophiaSylvan
11-03-2022, 03:18 PM
Video gifs are not loading for me in anyone's stores, anyone else?

AlyssaJ
11-04-2022, 07:04 AM
Is anyone else not getting sales emails today?

Funny, from the day you posted this, I started getting sales emails again, after not working properly for FOUR years (getting an occasional one but usually nothing) I have even changed e-mails. In the beginning I sent tickets about it, but I gave up. They must have changed something, but I don't expect it to last. I just use the admin stats to get an overview.

WonderWoman0642
11-04-2022, 11:06 AM
I just checked my stats and I like how it looks now.

SophiaSylvan
11-04-2022, 11:56 AM
Yeah it's pretty cool, but it must be rolling out in stages because I don't have the new stats in all my stores. I still wish we had stats on internal traffic, it helped me see which categories were providing traffic. I kind of wonder about this whole expanded traffic program, because my sales have been average/lower than usual and the stats show a good amount of new sales are coming from the ETP.

justsometwat
11-04-2022, 01:19 PM
With the new stats I went through and did the math. Last month my ETP traffic was 38% of my traffic but only 10% of my sales, which I gotta be honest isn't a lot.

Felicia[FightServ]
11-04-2022, 06:32 PM
They gave raw sales numbers and not the commission? That's going to confuse people. The commission (what we actually get) needs to be on there too.

I am also hoping for separate "on-site" C4S category and page stats. I'd also like to know how much interlinking through other clips helps.

Growlerpussy
11-04-2022, 10:48 PM
Something's not right. On my "sales and traffic report" it shows I made the 3.nov a sale from ETP for$35.33. On the clipstore Stats : Total Sales $ this month from Traffic Programm $7.79.