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Classy_Katy
11-04-2022, 11:02 PM
Funny, from the day you posted this, I started getting sales emails again, after not working properly for FOUR years (getting an occasional one but usually nothing) I have even changed e-mails. In the beginning I sent tickets about it, but I gave up. They must have changed something, but I don't expect it to last. I just use the admin stats to get an overview.
They must have changed something, from that day my emails go straight into my inbox and no longer into the junk folder.
Victoria_Gray
11-06-2022, 09:02 PM
With the new stats I went through and did the math. Last month my ETP traffic was 38% of my traffic but only 10% of my sales, which I gotta be honest isn't a lot.
I am not really surprised tbf - most of these people viewing porn clip sites are not looking to buy. A few extra sales without having to do the leg work is nice though. Particularly if you found a whale that way.
Growlerpussy
11-07-2022, 04:55 AM
I don't belive in the Traffic report . The referring URLs can't be right. Most of mine came always from Twitter and my own website, not it shows the most traffic comes from ETP , but NONE from Twitter anymore. It's bullshit, I think they play us! .
AlyssaJ
11-07-2022, 08:19 AM
I don't belive in the Traffic report . The referring URLs can't be right. Most of mine came always from Twitter and my own website, not it shows the most traffic comes from ETP , but NONE from Twitter anymore. It's bullshit, I think they play us! .
I was thinking the same thing. No matter which week since the ETP started, 85% of my traffic is from ETP, but only 10% of the sales. Exactly 10%. Now, someone mentioned most of these guys are looking for free porn but I especially find the perfectly consistent numbers very unbelievable. The rest of my traffic apparently comes from "google" - which I assume are the actual byers then. So it still really doesn't tell me much.
AlyssaJ
11-07-2022, 08:52 AM
Thanks for sharing this. I also make about 1000 USD but that is with me posting almost daily. I feel like I need a new plan. I'm struggling to come up with new ideas and I feel like I wasted too much time on my niche. I had a few categories that sold really well for years but now it's more hit or miss. I want to go in a different direction and explore new categories. I would love to post once a week (of course, putting more effort into that one clip). But I just worry my sales will decrease with less updates. I would love to make more selling clips. I will say though, there is one advantage to posting more and that is getting more customs. I get a few customs each month and that helps. I wish Clips4sale would put a custom order form on the site. ManyVids has a custom form, but most of my customs are C4S customers.
I should add I included custom payments in that 1000USD, as 95% of those customers found me on C4S. About a third of my clips are customs. Agree C4S should have a custom system, I cannot see why they turn that money down. They've said in the past they can't solve custom disputes, but then they have also said for years they are working on it... It seems to work for other sites. I've never had a dispute with a custom buyer so it can't be common. Noone can guarantee any clip is to the buyer's satisfaction anyway.
I've had categories doing well and then not sell at all. I guess at some point there is oversaturation, extreme piracy or other sites competing in that fetish. I tend to do better in the ones that are not too busy so I stay on the first page and top lists for longer - it doesn't have to be first place, just my name appearing in several places. I notice a direct correlation between that, sales and custom requests. To achieve that in the most popular categories would mean posting a lot more, and when I tried it didn't convert to enough sales to make it worth it. There are probably still categories with more customers than competition - only way to find out is to explore :)
AlyssaJ
11-07-2022, 09:20 AM
Just had a clip not showing up in its category. Again. I was wondering why not a single sale as it was posted prime time on Saturday. It showed when I first posted it but I did notice it wasn't on the first page (newly updated list) - but that isn't unusual and there is no point contacting support as this doesn't gets fixed in the 1 hour you get to be seen on that page anyway. Support said it will now be fixed in 2 hours and if not contact them again. Sigh. I have so many other things to do than keep checking every new clip numerous times.
AlyssaJ
11-07-2022, 09:55 AM
...oh and btw it turns out I only get about every other sales e-mail. So whatever they changed, they still didn't fix it XD
WonderWoman0642
11-08-2022, 07:15 AM
^ Did your clip show up yet?
WonderWoman0642
11-08-2022, 07:22 AM
I was thinking the same thing. No matter which week since the ETP started, 85% of my traffic is from ETP, but only 10% of the sales. Exactly 10%. Now, someone mentioned most of these guys are looking for free porn but I especially find the perfectly consistent numbers very unbelievable. The rest of my traffic apparently comes from "google" - which I assume are the actual byers then. So it still really doesn't tell me much.
Same here. The numbers don't add up. And why did it take them so long to show us the stats? The whole ETP push is odd.
WonderWoman0642
11-08-2022, 07:24 AM
I really wish they would offer biweekly payout-they said this would happen over a year ago. C4S has more competition now...you'd think they would offer more perks for us instead of this ETP.
lilly90xxx
11-08-2022, 08:39 AM
I was talking with Anastasia lately, and she told me I can be back in a program and she will pass it to the support. So I don't know if I am back in or not because my stats show 0 traffic from ETP, yet I sold 3 clips this month by the program. This makes no sense.
justsometwat
11-08-2022, 09:01 AM
I was talking with Anastasia lately, and she told me I can be back in a program and she will pass it to the support. So I don't know if I am back in or not because my stats show 0 traffic from ETP, yet I sold 3 clips this month by the program. This makes no sense.
have you checked that site to see if your clips are there?
lilly90xxx
11-08-2022, 09:45 AM
have you checked that site to see if your clips are there?
Just checked, I am not there ( well technically I am there, but when you click on my clip it's not redirecting to my store, so it stayed the same).
So it seems I am not in a program. It's of course a possibility that I am in, but just not anymore on this particular site ( since we still don't know the list of sites), but in that case my traffic would show some numbers from ETP.
Either way something is not right- it doesn't matter if I am in a program or not. My traffic from there shows 0, so there should be no sales from it.
I was talking with Anastasia lately, and she told me I can be back in a program and she will pass it to the support. So I don't know if I am back in or not because my stats show 0 traffic from ETP, yet I sold 3 clips this month by the program. This makes no sense.
I wonder if perhaps C4S places a cookie when someone clicks through from one of the ETP program site, so that any clips they buy (even months later, if they haven't cleared their cookies) are credited to ETP even if they get to your store in a different way when they're actually ready to buy?
RedIvy420
11-08-2022, 08:49 PM
I don't know what is going on this month (I know it's Holiday time) but I usually sell about 1 clip per day. I have sold 1 clip this whole month so far. I post daily. Any one else having this issue?
RedIvy420
11-08-2022, 08:52 PM
Has anyone signed up to the branding webinar? I logged in today and saw it was full. I would have liked to have gone to that as I don't make the number of sales on C4S that I would like.
It was more for studios. Like guys who hire girls. and the link didn't work for like 30 min. The recording of the show is going to be sent out to everyone supposedly
AlyssaJ
11-09-2022, 02:30 AM
^ Did your clip show up yet?
Yes it showed up 30 minutes after - but it bugs me the whole weekend of exposure was wasted and it was a busy category so it will be gone until this weekend. Still not a single sale on that clip for either format (I do mp4 and mov) which hasn't happened for me in years. Either it's the lost exposure or I dropped the ball on this one, or something else is going on. I'll make a similar clip just to find out lol.
AlyssaJ
11-09-2022, 02:42 AM
I don't know what is going on this month (I know it's Holiday time) but I usually sell about 1 clip per day. I have sold 1 clip this whole month so far. I post daily. Any one else having this issue?
Same. I did very well June-Oct (+50% compared to before) but so far this month seems to be back at spring's level of sales. I usually post about one clip/week but this past weekend I posted two and both flopped - one sold once and the other not at all, which hasn't happened in years (when I was new every other clip never sold lol but now I thought I had it nailed down) Of course clips can fail even when they are fairly good, but I do find it odd it's twice in a row in categories I recently did well in.
AlyssaJ
11-09-2022, 03:01 AM
Same here. The numbers don't add up. And why did it take them so long to show us the stats? The whole ETP push is odd.
I don't have more daily hits than I had before the ETP, despite 85% of my traffic apparently coming from ETP. I don't think ETP makes any difference with sales for me. Only 10% of sales are ETP and I didn't notice an increase of overall sales when this program started. I did unusually well June-Oct and almost started to take this new number of sales as the new norm. But it slowed down significantly this month. One can never take anything for granted as a clip maker :P
AlyssaJ
11-09-2022, 03:10 AM
I really wish they would offer biweekly payout-they said this would happen over a year ago. C4S has more competition now...you'd think they would offer more perks for us instead of this ETP.
In my country, monthly payout is the norm for any type of work so this is what we are used to when budgeting. Is biweekly the common norm in US? I get it's desirable - but it also takes more administration and resources which is probably the reason C4S does monthly. But it's annoying they talk about stuff for years with no action.
justsometwat
11-09-2022, 06:03 AM
Their stats just don't make sense. ETP makes up 66% of my traffic but is only 2.35% of my sales? There's no way this is accurate.
Growlerpussy
11-09-2022, 09:43 AM
Their stats just don't make sense. ETP makes up 66% of my traffic but is only 2.35% of my sales? There's no way this is accurate.
It's pure bullshit. I have aparently no more traffic from my twitter. 0. nada, it's not even mentioned. It made always 50% of my clicks. Hey, guess what? I have now 70% traffic coming from ETP, and i have an audio only studio. They are lying to us. Pure bullshit.
I just checkd my last 5 months and they wanna make me believe i had 3 Twitter clicks. Hahahahahahahahaha, brilliant.
AlyssaJ
11-09-2022, 10:38 AM
It's pure bullshit. I have aparently no more traffic from my twitter. 0. nada, it's not even mentioned. It made always 50% of my clicks. Hey, guess what? I have now 70% traffic coming from ETP, and i have an audio only studio. They are lying to us. Pure bullshit.
I just checkd my last 5 months and they wanna make me believe i had 3 Twitter clicks. Hahahahahahahahaha, brilliant.
Is it possible twitter is part of the ETP? I used to have traffic from a bunch of places but now it only shows 85% ETP and 15% google.
AlyssaJ
11-09-2022, 10:44 AM
It doesn't really help us marketing or managing-wise to know how much traffic we have from "ETP" without knowing data from the specific sites (we don't even know all the sites in it?) So why is this a big deal that they are pushing on us and including in the stats? To prove they are marketing the site? All sites market themselves and always have? Am I missing something?
AlyssaJ
11-09-2022, 10:48 AM
Their stats just don't make sense. ETP makes up 66% of my traffic but is only 2.35% of my sales? There's no way this is accurate.
If you search the ETP stats by various periods of time, are the numbers consistently 66%/2.35%? My numbers stay the same no matter which time period I look at which statistically is almost impossible - it should be more organic.
SophiaSylvan
11-09-2022, 12:22 PM
That's weird, my stats are showing between 13% -37% of sales coming through ETP but I gotta say I just don't trust it for some reason. No way have my sales increased this much on average over this period, or I would be over the moon! I checked my Google analytics for one store for the past year. I see a decrease of traffic in the period since ETP was initiated if anything in the store I'm tracking and I've been doing my usual thing with updates.
I'm happy if they're doing traffic but displeased if they're over-inflating the importance of what they're doing or misrepresenting. Looking at Google Analytics for Sept - Nov all I'm seeing that is possibly coming from sources they could be promoting is hot.com, bdsmboard.org and xhamster. And that is like 1-15 hits! lol Anyone else able to compare Google Analytics?
Tea4Me
11-09-2022, 04:58 PM
Their stats just don't make sense. ETP makes up 66% of my traffic but is only 2.35% of my sales? There's no way this is accurate.
Yeah, but what kind of quality is the traffic is in the first place. It can be high volume traffic but low conversion (quality). Are guys going to tube sites looking for FREE content really converting over to paying customers? Or are they just clicking though from the previews and once they see they have to pay, they leave the site? Things I wonder...
justsometwat
11-10-2022, 09:08 AM
In August ETP accounted for 67.41% of my hits and 9.9% of my sales
In September ETP accounted for 89.52% of my hits and 5.17% of my sales
In October ETP accounted for 71.49% of my hits and 10.05 % of my sales
So far for the month ETP accounts for 64.83% of my hits and 2.18% of my sales
Just randomly looking at other months - July's ETP traffic accounted for 58%, but 0% in sales?
These numbers have to be wrong. I know I keep saying it, but it just doesn't make any sense.
RedIvy420
11-10-2022, 09:36 AM
Same. I did very well June-Oct (+50% compared to before) but so far this month seems to be back at spring's level of sales. I usually post about one clip/week but this past weekend I posted two and both flopped - one sold once and the other not at all, which hasn't happened in years (when I was new every other clip never sold lol but now I thought I had it nailed down) Of course clips can fail even when they are fairly good, but I do find it odd it's twice in a row in categories I recently did well in.
If you don't mind me asking what fetishes do well for you and what do you think you changed about your clips when your sales when up?
RedIvy420
11-10-2022, 09:50 AM
OK so what is the difference between HITS and PROFILE VIEWS because I have 2 different numbers for these?
Victoria_Gray
11-14-2022, 12:33 AM
Yeah, but what kind of quality is the traffic is in the first place. It can be high volume traffic but low conversion (quality). Are guys going to tube sites looking for FREE content really converting over to paying customers? Or are they just clicking though from the previews and once they see they have to pay, they leave the site? Things I wonder...
If I were a horny dude on a tube site, I would do exactly that.
WonderWoman0642
11-14-2022, 07:42 AM
I don't trust the ETP. My sales are pretty low this month. I'm making up for it in other places but C4S is usually my best site for clips.
mariogotze11
11-14-2022, 09:05 AM
Hello guys Im new in this forum, can you help me out ? last 2 months clips4sale had other link : l.clips4sale.com in this platorm you can have 20 seconds trailer of any clip you want and it was so good for me to decide if i buy the clip or not but now the feature is gone, and you only have a 5 sec useless GIF hahaha can you imagine buying 15 minutes clip based only on 5 seconds GIFthat shows nothing concerning the content; and im not buying any clip anymore because of this.. so Guys is there anyway I CAN HAVE a trailer of a clip like it used to be ?
I contacted their support email about the feature and they pretended to know nothing about it ... HELP ;(
Tea4Me
11-14-2022, 10:23 AM
Hello guys Im new in this forum, can you help me out ? last 2 months clips4sale had other link : l.clips4sale.com in this platorm you can have 20 seconds trailer of any clip you want and it was so good for me to decide if i buy the clip or not but now the feature is gone, and you only have a 5 sec useless GIF hahaha can you imagine buying 15 minutes clip based only on 5 seconds GIFthat shows nothing concerning the content; and im not buying any clip anymore because of this.. so Guys is there anyway I CAN HAVE a trailer of a clip like it used to be ?
I contacted their support email about the feature and they pretended to know nothing about it ... HELP ;(
Translation: "I was busting a nut to the 20 second previews and now that's gone"
mariogotze11
11-14-2022, 03:36 PM
Im serious bro! Im very cautious about spending money on clip! if you're willing to help me out help me, if not I Don't need ur opinion
Have a good evening
justsometwat
11-14-2022, 03:50 PM
I can understand wanting to see a sample of content, but if it's no longer available on c4s then you're shit out of luck and could try other sites, provided models have uploaded videos with audio. There are plenty of other sites to choose from.
mariogotze11
11-14-2022, 08:10 PM
Believe me bro! C4s is still the best so far!! I tried iwantclips and manyvids nothing good about them comparing tk c4s..
C4s still holds the best old clips
justsometwat
11-14-2022, 08:13 PM
Listen, bro, if it's not available and you don't want to go somewhere else then you're gonna have to suck it up and Iearn to cope with five second previews.
now the feature is gone, and you only have a 5 sec useless GIF hahaha can you imagine buying 15 minutes clip based only on 5 seconds GIFthat shows nothing concerning the content; and im not buying any clip anymore because of this.. so Guys is there anyway I CAN HAVE a trailer of a clip like it used to be ?(
You're aware that many clips have previews that the creator made, right? If not, look for where it says "Click for preview" on the page for an individual clip. Not all studios/creators choose to have previews, but many do.
AlyssaJ
11-15-2022, 08:55 AM
If you don't mind me asking what fetishes do well for you and what do you think you changed about your clips when your sales when up?
I didn't change anything that I'm aware of. I do 4-5 main categories and a bunch of occasional ones. For example femdom pov did well for me for a few months and now no sales.
Tea4Me
11-16-2022, 01:25 PM
In the admin, for the current Pre-Black Friday sale:
"All clips posted during the promotion will be fast tracked into the Expanded
Traffic Program (ETP) so your clips will get immediate exposure during the sale!
*If you have opted-out of the ETP your clips will not be included in the free traffic push."
So does this mean if a clip producer opted out of ETP that it will take even longer to get their clips reviewed in the next couple of days? Am I reading that right? Is that like to penalize people who opted out?
Looks like the graph on the stats page has switched to showing sales numbers based on commission, rather than total (including C4S's 40%) like it used to show. I appreciate the change, but it did startle me at first- had to check that there hadn't been a bunch of refunds or something. Whew!
MissAdriana
11-17-2022, 09:54 AM
So does this mean if a clip producer opted out of ETP that it will take even longer to get their clips reviewed in the next couple of days? Am I reading that right? Is that like to penalize people who opted out?
I have clips that have been in review for 10 days now so that would be ridiculous and just plain unfair
Tea4Me
11-17-2022, 04:55 PM
So I was looking at my sales today and it shows that about 64% came from the traffic program. So then I looked at the detailed report and almost every single customer has purchased from me before (I recognize the usernames) and a big part of that 64% came from one customer who did a binge order and has been buying from me for YEARS. Long before this program existed. Now perhaps that particular customer visited one of the tube sites and clicked through to C4S recently, and thus had the tracker when he did the order. I don't know. But I'm not taking their numbers at face value.
SophiaSylvan
11-17-2022, 08:38 PM
It's nice that they took away actual useful stats data (seeing where traffic is coming from within the site) and gave us this questionable data
MissAdriana
11-18-2022, 09:38 AM
^ Yes I just love having no clue where the majority of my traffic is coming from. Its so helpful
lilly90xxx
11-18-2022, 12:53 PM
So I was looking at my sales today and it shows that about 64% came from the traffic program. So then I looked at the detailed report and almost every single customer has purchased from me before (I recognize the usernames) and a big part of that 64% came from one customer who did a binge order and has been buying from me for YEARS. Long before this program existed. Now perhaps that particular customer visited one of the tube sites and clicked through to C4S recently, and thus had the tracker when he did the order. I don't know. But I'm not taking their numbers at face value.
I checked the same thing for my friend ( I manage her store since she's not that much of a computer person) and it also counts some people that bought from her before as ETP customers. Maybe it is like you said, but how big is the possibility?
Also, this traffic is just weird. If I look at my friend's traffic for today ( not looking at mine, mine is definitely fucked up because I am in the program and I am not, don't know). For example hits (referring URLs) for this month is 2709 altogether. And in these hits only 6 are from c4s, 64 from google, there are some hits from other sites like bing, and...2635 hits from ETP :O
And page views for this month are 1105
So first of all what are these hits, I understand page views are actual page views of her store, but hits?
And even with this big number of hits from ETP, the sales from there are only 20% of overall sales.
AlyssaJ
11-18-2022, 02:24 PM
If you don't mind me asking what fetishes do well for you and what do you think you changed about your clips when your sales when up?
I actually upped my prices a little bit (+2USD above the standard, so 12.99 for a 10min and 12USD/min for customs compared to 10USD/min before) So a little extra comes from this. I doubt it actually explains the increase of sales but it certainly didn't seem to damage it. But as I said, November has been slower for me than this good half year I had and I hope it's temporary.
AlyssaJ
11-18-2022, 04:23 PM
How often do the lists in the categories refresh? I've sold one clip today 5 times which usually takes it to at least top 3 in the top clips list in this particular category. Instead the list looks identical to lunchtime today (it's now midnight in my country) and my clip is not on it (it's showing as it should in the category) Yes, I've tried another browser, refreshing etc.
Tea4Me
11-18-2022, 07:23 PM
How often do the lists in the categories refresh? I've sold one clip today 5 times which usually takes it to at least top 3 in the top clips list in this particular category. Instead the list looks identical to lunchtime today (it's now midnight in my country) and my clip is not on it (it's showing as it should in the category) Yes, I've tried another browser, refreshing etc.
It's been that way for months. Some refresh better than others (a little better), but others just seem *stuck*. Like you, I've made so many sales of a clip that would have normally had my store ranked higher, but not anymore. And I think it's pretty well known that clips usually sell the best in the first 7 days. So when I see clips ranked higher that are older than a month, then I have to wonder.
Honestly, the Clips4sale site we have in 2022 does not feel like the same site we had back in 2021 when Neil ran the site.