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Incantatious
10-27-2014, 05:57 AM
That has seriously fucked me off. For the past hour or so I've just been getting strung along with some scare-mongering about something I am NOT asking about, and timewasting NON-answers whereby they didn't even read what I said. Wasting the fuck out of both of our time. I need a "I wish to speak to your manager" face. GNNNNNNNNARGH!
TransdimensionalPrincess
10-27-2014, 09:05 AM
Oh my freaking GOD, Producer Support is annoying the crap out of me right now.
I asked a question about reuploading some custom clips that an old custie requested. - They previously featured his name and personal info about him, but I have edited all that out and now want to reupload them publicly. I am worried though, that he could get those taken down, resulting in further strikes against my account.
Reason being: Before, this guy verbally agreed to feature in one of my clips, but later got pissy and (without even bothering to contact me so I could remove it), filed a DMCA against me that resulted in a strike. Big mistake on my part, I know, as there as no written signature / signed docs, but C4S also asked him if he would like "any other" of my clips to be removed, which made me paranoid about where the boundaries actually are in taking down content. i.e. If I am free to reupload those customs he requested that have all evidence of him removed. I know it sounds paranoid, but I just wanted to be sure before I went ahead and uploaded them.
C4S support just keep COMPLETELY missing my point about this, and just threatening me with "He had every right to issue a DMCA and I am advising you now to remove any content you do not have the proper documents for". Like what the fuck? Is my point that hard to understand?
C4S support doesn't know up from down, like every support team on every adult site. It seems as soon as you are dealing with boobies and penises any support team - no matter how good - turns into idiots. It must be the nature of adult, seems to be every site has this problem.
To me though, doesn't sound like the videos are worth it. The risk of having some idiot customer file a DMCA and always having to worry about it isn't worth the $50 you would make off the video, or however much, selling it.
TransdimensionalPrincess
10-28-2014, 12:50 AM
I just want to say, no matter how much I dislike c4s support - which how much does that mean, I dislike every websites support - I would recommend it to anyone, don't let what I said keep you or anyone from trying the site. I truly do love c4s, I do, and mostly I just love how easy it is to get clients there that are willing to penny out, the site has amazing traffic and as long as it keeps its paying traffic I will deal with idiot support, and bad layouts, and glitches any day. Because traffic is the most important part of any website, and to this day no website has traffic like c4s.
Basically, c4s if you are reading this, we all still love you<33
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
10-28-2014, 06:12 AM
Oh my freaking GOD, Producer Support is annoying the crap out of me right now.
I asked a question about reuploading some custom clips that an old custie requested. - They previously featured his name and personal info about him, but I have edited all that out and now want to reupload them publicly. I am worried though, that he could get those taken down, resulting in further strikes against my account.
Reason being: Before, this guy verbally agreed to feature in one of my clips, but later got pissy and (without even bothering to contact me so I could remove it), filed a DMCA against me that resulted in a strike. Big mistake on my part, I know, as there as no written signature / signed docs, but C4S also asked him if he would like "any other" of my clips to be removed, which made me paranoid about where the boundaries actually are in taking down content. i.e. If I am free to reupload those customs he requested that have all evidence of him removed. I know it sounds paranoid, but I just wanted to be sure before I went ahead and uploaded them.
C4S support just keep COMPLETELY missing my point about this, and just threatening me with "He had every right to issue a DMCA and I am advising you now to remove any content you do not have the proper documents for". Like what the fuck? Is my point that hard to understand?
I completely understood your questions. The issue, as you stated, is you don't have a model release or photo id for the party in the custom clip you first asked about, so you can not post or resell his custom content. You were simply advised to remove anything with him in it. If you have done so then great. That settles that issue and any other content you have should technically be fine.
Also, as I stated - and what you may be misunderstanding is a DMCA has nothing to do with C4S's rules, ANYONE can file a DMCA and since C4S is a hosting site we just follow the law and remove the content, it's up to the parties to dispute the validity of the DMCA.
However, if I misunderstood you, then please let me know however you asked if "they could file a DMCA" and as I stated yes, they "could" file one if they so wished. However, if it's only YOU in the clips then as I also stated you have every right to counter it. Please read the stated DMCA policy, it's Federal law, we didn't write it, we simply have to follow it.
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
10-28-2014, 06:19 AM
Hello peeps,
I just got my first custom request. When we agreed on a price via email he suggested a tribute, but I emailed him back and told him that to avoid either of us getting in trouble I would put it up in my store as a custom clip. A few minutes later, I get a tribute for an amount that was actually higher than the amount we agreed on, followed by another email "Okay, I just sent you that tribute!" Yikes. How do I handle this?
The customer can dispute the tribute and they will get it refunded especially if their bank does a chargeback. We discourage it and ban the customer, but the end result "could be" they get a free clip.
Don't use the tributes for payments for goods or services. It's clearly stated in the admin and you as well as the customer when they make the tribute have both agreed it is not for goods or services....
Just FYI - find another payment method.
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
10-28-2014, 08:01 AM
DMCA: Some facts... the Good and the Bad
THE DIGITAL MILLENNIUM COPYRIGHT ACT OF 1998
http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf
Since I am the person who deals with all of the DMCA's filed with C4S and it seems to be a bit of a mystery about how they work and why we do what we do I thought I'd break it down a bit.
It's not an easy law to understand, and frankly it is poorly written because it limits some things but not others, but here are some of the nuts and bolts of it...
#1 C4S takes ALL claims of copyright infringement very seriously and we will act expeditiously on them by disabling access to the content.
Some General Facts and Information -
DMCA protects copyright holders against content thieves.
DMCA gives copyright holders a fast, inexpensive and easy way to get their disputed content disabled.
C4S doesn't make ANY judgements on any DMCA filed with us, we are 100% neutral.
As a content host, we (C4S) simply do what we are required to do by law, which is disable or re-enable the disputed content.
To protect our Safe-Harbor we (C4S) MUST act on all DMCA's filed us and that means we must protect the content by not giving prior notice of its pending removal, while we are disabling it and storing it.
Every studio owner will receive notice of any DMCA filed against their studio.
We (C4S) don't ask for nor do we want to see any model releases or photo IDs when a DMCA has been filed with us.
We are not a court - It's not our (C4S) responsibility to assure the validity of a DMCA aside from verifying all information "looks" correct - all fields are filled in. However, if they sign their name Batman, trust me it's not acted upon.
It's up to the person filing the DMCA (the Originator) to fully understand they are in essence filing the 1st court document in a possible copyright infringement lawsuit and that's why they have to agree to all of the binding legal statements:
- I have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described above as allegedly infringing is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.
- The information in this notification is accurate and I swear, under penalty of perjury, that I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed
We (C4S) only store/disable the content, we don't delete it per the law because it may be needed as evidence if a federal copyright infringement lawsuit is filed.
Technically - ANYONE can file a DMCA against any content and we (C4S) have to act on it.
With the above being said, the studio owner does have recourse, they can file a Counter-Notification to force the Originator to either file a lawsuit or if they don't, the content will be re-enabled.
The Studio has unlimited time to file a Counter-Notification after receiving a DMCA Takedown Request - there is no time limit they must follow.
However, the Originator (the person who files the DMCA) only has 10 to 14 business days to file a federal lawsuit IF a Counter-Notification has been filed in response to the DMCA.
If a Counter-Notification is filed, the Originator of the initial DMCA is given the contact information, as provided by the studio owner on the Counter-Notification, so they can file a lawsuit.
If a Counter-Notification is filed and if the Originator doesn't provide a docket number to us from their attorney proving they filed a lawsuit, then no later than 14 days, the content is re-enabled on the studio.
C4S doesn't hold a DMCA against a studio, it's not a "black mark" in the sense that it effects doing business with the company.
However, we do have to follow our set Repeat Infringer Policy which by law we have to abide by and states that after a certain number of DMCA's has been filed against one particular studio that studio must be closed (Fact - Since implementing our formal DMCA procedure in 2011 no studio has reached the limit to be closed).
DMCA Policy - http://clips4sale.com/list/en/page/dmca
If you have any questions, let me know... the above is a very broken down explanation of the DMCA and the procedures we have to follow.
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
10-28-2014, 09:11 AM
C4S support doesn't know up from down, like every support team on every adult site. It seems as soon as you are dealing with boobies and penises any support team - no matter how good - turns into idiots. It must be the nature of adult, seems to be every site has this problem.
To me though, doesn't sound like the videos are worth it. The risk of having some idiot customer file a DMCA and always having to worry about it isn't worth the $50 you would make off the video, or however much, selling it.
Oddly enough... perhaps this may be true with a brand new staff member but after a week they see so much adult content they simply get immune to it and nothing shocks or amazes anyone anymore.
Most of the support staff has been here long enough that we are immune to porn and nudity in general OR we are or have been in the business ourselves...
It simply is what it is - It is a product like a widget... or in our case, an MP4, WMV, JPG or GIF... we look at the item, not the content itself :)
But with regard to your comment, please let C4S management know anyone whom you feel doesn't understand their job - that is the only way it can get addressed properly.
Incantatious
10-28-2014, 11:50 AM
My first message was this:
Hi there!
I have just uploaded some custom videos someone requested around a year ago. The person I had originally made the clips for, at one time requested a custom video for me to sell here that included his appearance. He had consented and all was fine. However, after a period of time, he ended up filing a DMCA against me for the removal of that clip which included himself, which was successful and resulted in a strike against my account despite no attempt to contant me personally to remove it beforehand. Whoever was dealing with his claim also asked him if he would like any other clips removed.
Despite my removing any and all incriminating content and information from those custom videos for reupload here, for his complete privacy and protection, I am worried he person might attempt to get these videos removed simply because he asked for them to be made, he originally paid a lot of money for them (but at his own desire to do so), and were "for him". - Would he be able to do that? Or am I able to still sell them as re-edited clips that contain no information about him?
Sorry this was pretty long-winded, I just don't want to risk anything happening to my account.
Many, many thanks for any help with this. :)
To which your response was that I should refer to the DMCA policy, telling me that you follow the strict letter of the law with regard to any claims for copyright infringement, telling me what I should do if I believe my work has been infringed on copyright, you gave me a take-down form to fill out, and you notified me that you will keep me updated on the "outcome of our investigation". (What investigation?)
I guess my question should have been more along the lines of something like: "Is custom content produced for someone classed as the 'intellectual property' of the consumer as well as the producer, the producer over the client, or do the rights go to the person who requested the custom be made being as it was "their idea" and without that client, the clip may not be made"? Though my 2nd response to you seemed (at least to me) express that:
Hey there :)
No one has reuploaded my own content, but do *I* own and have power to as I wish with custom content that *I* made (rather than the client who requested it? (Does the client who requested the custom have the power to issue a DMCA against a performer who created a custom for them?)
I was just worried that the guy who requested the customs I now want to upload and resell, might decide he wants to DMCA them because he requested those customs to be made in the first place, and doesn't want them reuploaded (despite no information or image of himself being in them)?
And yet, to this you asked me if I had a signed model release and the actors photo IDs on file: Nothing to do with what I was asking. So my next response:
No I did not have a signed model release and actors photo for the clip that he issued a DMCA against, which I guess is why it got taken down despite his spoken consent. I can understand this. However, the other custom clips he requested to be made contain no depiction or details of him at all - can he still issue a DMCA against me for uploading *those* customs he wanted me to make? He doesn't appear in them at all, and there is no mention of him in the ones I want to re-upload to C4S for purchase by others. Is it okay for me to do this? I am not placing my account in any danger by doing this? Many thanks Sara!
Technically he can issue a DMCA, okay, but I think it seemed clear what I was asking, pretty much: Would I be placing my account in any danger by reuploading a custom that has someone's personal details edited out? Is it even "safe" for me to reupload a custom I made for someone? Whose "intellectual property" is a custom clip considered? - (I'm not even sure who I should be directing that question to anymore, but I would honestly have thought that Producer Support might have some idea about this).
Anyhow, your response to that one, was the point where you really wanted to hit it home to me about the importance of photo ID and model release (for what? I kept trying to make it as clear as I could, that the clips I intended on reuploading had absolutely no trace of his existence in them).
I think we went over this yet another time in the exact same circle until eventually you said that basically: it is possible. At that point, I'd pretty much given up on the issue and decided to just delete any customs I'd made for the guy on my C4S to just help keep me safe.
I completely understood your questions. The issue, as you stated, is you don't have a model release or photo id for the party in the custom clip you first asked about, so you can not post or resell his custom content. You were simply advised to remove anything with him in it. If you have done so then great. That settles that issue and any other content you have should technically be fine.
The sole, and only reason I even thought to mention instance with the successful DMCA, was to point to the fact that I've been sniped by this individual before, and I have reason to believe that he may try it again, yet with content that does not feature him or personal info about him at all, but was simply requested as a custom by him with anything pertaining to him edited out.
justanothercamgirl
10-28-2014, 12:17 PM
But with regard to your comment, please let C4S management know anyone whom you feel doesn't understand their job - that is the only way it can get addressed properly.
I can't speak for anyone else in this thread --- but for me it is pretty much every time I talk to C4S regular support no matter who it is. This even happens for simple issues like asking for files to be removed (and even when I get frustrated enough to finally send screenshots with the files circled that need to be removed because I am tired of getting 'derp' for an answer but even after doing that things still never get resolved.)
I've pretty much have given up and have just learned to live with little problems because I rather stick a fork in my eye then get dizzy going around-and-around with C4S regular support.
If I have a big enough problem I just end up emailing either you or Gia because it is the only way to get it resolved.
(*shrugs*)
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
10-28-2014, 12:30 PM
My first message was this:
To which your response was that I should refer to the DMCA policy, telling me that you follow the strict letter of the law with regard to any claims for copyright infringement, telling me what I should do if I believe my work has been infringed on copyright, you gave me a take-down form to fill out, and you notified me that you will keep me updated on the "outcome of our investigation". (What investigation?)
I guess my question should have been more along the lines of something like: "Is custom content produced for someone classed as the 'intellectual property' of the consumer as well as the producer, the producer over the client, or do the rights go to the person who requested the custom be made being as it was "their idea" and without that client, the clip may not be made"? Though my 2nd response to you seemed (at least to me) express that:
And yet, to this you asked me if I had a signed model release and the actors photo IDs on file: Nothing to do with what I was asking. So my next response:
Technically he can issue a DMCA, okay, but I think it seemed clear what I was asking, pretty much: Would I be placing my account in any danger by reuploading a custom that has someone's personal details edited out? Is it even "safe" for me to reupload a custom I made for someone? Whose "intellectual property" is a custom clip considered? - (I'm not even sure who I should be directing that question to anymore, but I would honestly have thought that Producer Support might have some idea about this).
Anyhow, your response to that one, was the point where you really wanted to hit it home to me about the importance of photo ID and model release (for what? I kept trying to make it as clear as I could, that the clips I intended on reuploading had absolutely no trace of his existence in them).
I think we went over this yet another time in the exact same circle until eventually you said that basically: it is possible. At that point, I'd pretty much given up on the issue and decided to just delete any customs I'd made for the guy on my C4S to just help keep me safe.
The sole, and only reason I even thought to mention instance with the successful DMCA, was to point to the fact that I've been sniped by this individual before, and I have reason to believe that he may try it again, yet with content that does not feature him or personal info about him at all, but was simply requested as a custom by him with anything pertaining to him edited out.
On a side note - I replied to your ticket again with more private specifics about the DMCA which I can't discuss here. Just to clarify, I advised you to read the DMCA Policy, which includes a producers right to file a Counter-Notification, which perhaps you did not see. Again, I will say you should familiarize yourself with the stated policy: http://clips4sale.com/list/en/page/dmca
The wording of your question(s) about your "other" custom content and your concern that the person "could" file against you again led me to believe that other clips also had this person in them in some way as you stated you "edited" the clips to remove all mention of this person, therefore my reply was make sure they are removed from any clips you post on C4S and you would be okay. You asked about content that specifically had to do with a DMCA, which as stated, can not be re-added to our servers. Regardless of what you have done to them i.e.; re-edit etc.
In addition, had I glazed over or ignored the fact that you specifically mentioned the content in question was in some way associated with a DMCA then I would be giving you bad information and neglectful in my job. That one fact, changed the whole course of your ticket because it dealt with content that "may" have been involved in a DMCA. In saying that as well, the DMCA is very clear that we are speaking ONLY of the one clip they filed against and which had been stored.
Your ticket, which I have just recently re-read, of course sparked the question from me of - Okay, well do you have the model release and photo ID?
Had your reply been - Yes, of course I do! Then I would have asked why you didn't submit a counter-notification for your content? Which then puts the ball back in the Originators court and if they don't follow through with the process would have had your content re-enabled in 10 to 14 business days. As is the right of anyone on the receiving end of a DMCA Takedown Notice. I would have then steered you in that direction to possibly get your content back online for you (also this was in the original emails sent to you about the initial DMCA).
However, your answer was no, meaning you didn't have the right to initially post the content and therefore the same still holds true, you can not re-edit, re-add or re-sell any content which has been removed due to a DMCA to our servers. If you didn't have the model release for one clip, then presumably you wouldn't have it for any other content that "might" directly involve that person so the advice was, and still is make sure you remove anything else with them in it (i.e.; to avoid them being able to come after you again) and as long as you have then you should be fine.
Again, this excludes anything at all to do with the one (1) clip which is currently stored under the terms of the DMCA Takedown Notice which you did not file a Counter-Notification against and have stated you didn't have the right to re-sell due to lack of documents.
As I stated in the ticket, I would be happy to assist you either there or here, since I was given notice you wanted to discuss it here, I have replied here for you. Please let me know if you I can answer any other questions or clarify anything I may have said.
Incantatious
10-28-2014, 12:34 PM
Okay, this is cleared up. Thank you to Sara for the email clarification! :O [don't think I can post this here for privacy]
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
10-28-2014, 12:37 PM
I can't speak for anyone else in this thread --- but for me it is pretty much every time I talk to C4S regular support no matter who it is. This even happens for simple issues like asking for files to be removed (and even when I get frustrated enough to finally send screenshots with the files circled that need to be removed because I am tired of getting 'derp' for an answer but even after doing that things still never get resolved.)
I've pretty much have given up and have just learned to live with little problems because I rather stick a fork in my eye then get dizzy going around-and-around with C4S regular support.
If I have a big enough problem I just end up emailing either you or Gia because it is the only way to get it resolved.
(*shrugs*)
I am sending this to Neil. just so he's aware of it as well. It means the ball is being dropped and we need to do some re-training.
You can of course always email me, I always watch my emails and try to get back to people ASAP... even on weekends when I am off, I always look incase there's an issue that needs to be looked into.
I never mind helping anyone if I can and I am always here to try and assist with studios and marketing or whatever. That goes for anyone, my email is in my signature, feel free to use it for any questions or help.
Incantatious
10-28-2014, 12:42 PM
Yeesh! Seriously, it just goes to show I was right to be paranoid about that dude! O_O Holy sheet. He did try to get another clip removed that he wasn't even in... Fuck.
The reason I'd got so paranoid about this, is because this was someone I'd considered the absolute, most reasonable, non-creepy client I'd ever had; he spent over $10,000 on me over the course of about 8 months and seemed incredibly courteous every time we spoke, so it's like double-whammy for me right now that my "best" client tried such a thing.
Note: Never trust ANY client not to try to fuck you over. No matter what! I was really naive as fuck in going ahead and putting that clip up with no model id. SMH.
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
10-28-2014, 12:49 PM
Yeesh! Seriously, it just goes to show I was right to be paranoid about that dude! O_O Holy sheet. He did try to get another clip removed that he wasn't even in... Fuck.
The reason I'd got so paranoid about this, is because this was someone I'd considered the absolute, most reasonable, non-creepy client I'd ever had; he spent over $10,000 on me over the course of about 8 months and seemed incredibly courteous every time we spoke, so it's like double-whammy for me right now that my "best" client tried such a thing.
Note: Never trust ANY client not to try to fuck you over. No matter what! I was really naive as fuck in going ahead and putting that clip up with no model id. SMH.
I'm sorry if I frustrated you in our ticket yesterday :( I do tend to go "legal" when I reply to anything to do with a DMCA, lesson learned I will try to reply with a clearer answer in future.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention too! I try really hard to give good information so producers come out on top all the time and I hope you'll come to me for any assistance in future if you need it.
Incantatious
10-28-2014, 01:20 PM
I'm sorry if I frustrated you in our ticket yesterday :( I do tend to go "legal" when I reply to anything to do with a DMCA, lesson learned I will try to reply with a clearer answer in future.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention too! I try really hard to give good information so producers come out on top all the time and I hope you'll come to me for any assistance in future if you need it.
I said this to your in our email, but I wanna say it again here publicly so as to just communicate to everyone else how badly I'd handled our conversation, and how much I regret my first post here. - You actually turned out to be one of the most reasonable, personable Support staff I've conversed with. And, I mean you have become someone I feel sincerely welcomed to go to for support. I never even thought I'd be able to have that with C4S but thanks to you it's friggin' awesome that I can. You clearly put a lot of work into your job, and it feels even more clear by the fact that you're actually here on this site. (Oh boy, the kinds of things any site support could learn by being a part of a forum associated with it!) Support of any site could do with more people like you. Sincerely, thank you so much!
justanothercamgirl
10-28-2014, 02:41 PM
I am sending this to Neil. just so he's aware of it as well. It means the ball is being dropped and we need to do some re-training.
You can of course always email me, I always watch my emails and try to get back to people ASAP... even on weekends when I am off, I always look incase there's an issue that needs to be looked into.
I never mind helping anyone if I can and I am always here to try and assist with studios and marketing or whatever. That goes for anyone, my email is in my signature, feel free to use it for any questions or help.
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thatgingercamgirl
10-28-2014, 02:47 PM
Sorry, I may not have worded that clearly. I am aware of that policy. When I informed him of the policy and told him I wasn't going to violate it for him he told me that he didn't see an issue; he expected me to just give in and give it to him via another filesharing service, which pissed me off. I told him that I was going to put it up as a custom clip in my store as we previously agreed and I haven't heard from him since. If he does a chargeback on his tribute, that's his deal. I'm not going to get in trouble for one asshole.
The customer can dispute the tribute and they will get it refunded especially if their bank does a chargeback. We discourage it and ban the customer, but the end result "could be" they get a free clip.
Don't use the tributes for payments for goods or services. It's clearly stated in the admin and you as well as the customer when they make the tribute have both agreed it is not for goods or services....
Just FYI - find another payment method.
thatgingercamgirl
10-28-2014, 03:30 PM
It was my first tribute, so at first I was so excited...until I got his email. He's going to have to be okay with it. He may be upset that I didn't just give in to his well-reasoned argument on why I should break the policy. Grrr. It's such a hard balance in this line of work between not letting yourself get jaded and bitter, and at the same time never letting yourself get too trusting with clients....I try to give clients the benefit of the doubt, but DAMN it's a hard balance.
^He wasn't OK with paying the regular C4S price after the tribute? That sound like a bit too much penny pinching, my guys didn't seem to mind this (I hope they didn't feel "cheated" lol, b/c I think some times I forgot to mention that they will have to buy it for the regular price after they'd already tributed but C4S regular prices are really modest so I don't see why they would need to get too upset.)
thatgingercamgirl
10-28-2014, 07:03 PM
True, I find that it's easier for me to be "forthcoming"/give the benefit of the doubt to fetish guys because I like them, lol, their requests can actually be interesting after mind numbingly boring camming, that guy sounds like pushing it though, surely he could find a half a dozen dollars in the upholstery of a couch to buy the video the regular way (well, that's how I would deliver it to him), or if he really can't then he really has no business in requesting customs as they can take a lot of time to produce...
I completely agree with you on that, in fact my entire C4S experience has been so awesome that it really made my encounter with my first pushy guy really stand out. I've dealt with these kinds of guys camming and it was inevitable that I would encounter them there too. I just needed to vent :)
untame
10-28-2014, 10:08 PM
do you guys think diaper fetish sell well there and voyeur? i think thats what I think im going to stick with
KikiGem
10-28-2014, 10:17 PM
C4S vs. ELM?
untame
10-28-2014, 10:52 PM
C4S vs. ELM?
C4S im trying to get to 10 videos for now thinking of all kinds of fetishes
KlassFX
10-28-2014, 10:55 PM
C4S vs. ELM?
ELM is smaller but has better tools for the independent, solo, custom-oriented model... paid interaction with customers, fill custom requests, etc. It's more about the model him/herself doing all the work and, in fact, is listed as a requirement.
C4S has much larger overall traffic, better tools to support larger studio operations.. membership site, photo, clip distribution.. Anything from porn studios with many models to individuals can find success there. It's a much larger environment but also easier to get buried/lost in a sea of others.
Maybe try both?
do you guys think diaper fetish sell well their and voyeur i think thats what I think im going to stick with
They do sell, obviously depending on how well you pull it off. Just check the category listing and get a sense of what's selling in the various studios.
TransdimensionalPrincess
10-29-2014, 02:46 PM
I hate when it takes 30 minutes to an hour for a clip I activated to show up in my store. I get like 50 page views and there is nothing new to view. I wonder how much money I am losing, AND clips4sale is losing by it taking so long to show up in my store.
Classy_Katy
10-30-2014, 11:38 PM
Yesterday I uploaded a clip and it took over 2 hours to show in my store. 11 hours later and it STILL isn't showing in the category! I have emailed support, apparently there are server problems, I've emailed again.
TransdimensionalPrincess
10-31-2014, 12:36 AM
Thats a crazy amount to wait for it to show up in your store, I don't pay attention to how long it takes them to show up in the category anymore because it usually takes 1 hour to 24 hours it seems, I hope they get that worked out, because its been that way since the new layout was installed (installed the right word?).
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
10-31-2014, 04:56 AM
We are working on the issue with the clips not displaying properly.
If you have a clip which you added yesterday or today and it has a long delay of 15+ minutes, can you please email me your studio number and the clip title so I can look into it?
I am here in the office until 4:00PM EST
Thank you!
Classy_Katy
10-31-2014, 05:19 AM
The clip I uploaded yesterday appeared in it's category after 12 hours. I've uploaded since this morning and after a short delay they were fine. I had exchanged emails with Studio Support about it.
TransdimensionalPrincess
10-31-2014, 06:47 PM
We are working on the issue with the clips not displaying properly.
If you have a clip which you added yesterday or today and it has a long delay of 15+ minutes, can you please email me your studio number and the clip title so I can look into it?
I am here in the office until 4:00PM EST
Thank you!
Is this effecting uploads today (oct 31st)? Because It took me almost three hours to upload on clip that normally takes 20 minutes. I have been working on uploading two other clips and it has been over 40 minutes and one is at 20% and the other is at 10%, never had this slow upload speeds besides the week the player was changed to the new one earlier this year (or whenever that was).
They are Halloween videos, but hey, if they are up my midnight thats still Halloween, right? lol I wonder if a lot of people had the idea for Halloween videos today and thats slowing it down.
TransdimensionalPrincess
10-31-2014, 07:47 PM
One updated to say its going to take 8 hours to upload -_- Its only 183mb too <- made this post after i switched to the old uploader. Well after 20 minutes for it to upload 1mb, I decided to run ccleaner and restart my computer and disconnect/reconnect my internet. I am now trying again on the new uploader and its been an hour and has uploaded 14mbs of one video, and 25mbs of the other video.
So a run down, I started uploading at 6pm, and that took 2 hours and 30 minutes to upload 1 video.
I then started the two at the same time, and started at 9pm for those, well its now midnight and one is 38% uploaded and the other is 24% uploaded - but thats after restarting my computer and restarting the upload (which saves where I was at before I restarted my computer).
So I have been uploading videos for 7 hours and I have got one video uploaded. Now I really wish I didn't even bother today. I would have usually given up by now and tried again tomorrow but I wanted these posted by Halloween - because they are Halloween videos, oh well.
2nd edit: The last one finished uploading around 5am-ish. I am wondering if it was c4s's updates (which are so much better, as soon as you post a video it shows up in your store), or if it is possible it was just my internet being slow? Did anyone else have slow uploads? If it was just me, then I will just assume it had something to do with the Holiday slowing down the interwebs.
JessaJade
11-02-2014, 03:55 AM
Hi, I wonder if anyone can let me know of how to close a store, deleting all clips? I have got in touch with support but not had any reply yet and would like to do this as soon as possible.
In the 'delete files' section I am just getting an empty list showing there are no clips to delete.
Heid009
11-02-2014, 06:09 AM
Try going to the list clips section, press the large Red Cross, then go back to the delete section to delete the actual files, I think.
SophiaSylvan
11-02-2014, 07:03 AM
Yup, what Heid009 said. Where you were looking is where you delete clips you uploaded but have not yet been posted.
JessaJade
11-03-2014, 03:38 AM
Thank you ladies :-)
MissConceited
11-03-2014, 11:05 AM
I just got my first chargeback in almost 2 years of having my store open. >.<
TashaToday
11-03-2014, 04:46 PM
Ouch! I hope it was for a small amount. I always get nervous when I see someone buying a large amount of clips in a short time, or tributes (illogical, but I do worry).
MissJu
11-03-2014, 05:48 PM
Once i had a charge back, from a french guy but he did it cuz he bought same vid twice;)
TashaToday
11-03-2014, 07:23 PM
I can understand in Miss Ju's situation, but that still sucks! In a perfect world, he would just suck it up and appreciate it twice as much> }:D
Bristol
11-04-2014, 12:54 AM
Is there a trick to selling on c4s? I put up 10 videos a week ago and have 0 sales. Not that many hits per day. About 80 hits on the 1st day but it dropped off sharp from then on. Do I need like 100 videos before I should expect to see many sales? Do I need to upload every single day? Do I need really weird fetish stuff? I did 2 duct tape videos and 1 balloon video. The others are more traditional solo videos. Do ts women not do very well on c4s?
I'm not that sure what to do with it. Recording the videos were easy but editing, converting, and writing show descriptions took time that I'm not sure will pay off with my current $0 sales record.
Heid009
11-04-2014, 07:39 AM
It would probably help if you linked to your store. We are just stabbing in the dark otherwise.
0 sales is very unusual.
Classy_Katy
11-04-2014, 08:45 AM
Is there a trick to selling on c4s? I put up 10 videos a week ago and have 0 sales. Not that many hits per day. About 80 hits on the 1st day but it dropped off sharp from then on. Do I need like 100 videos before I should expect to see many sales? Do I need to upload every single day? Do I need really weird fetish stuff? I did 2 duct tape videos and 1 balloon video. The others are more traditional solo videos. Do ts women not do very well on c4s?
I'm not that sure what to do with it. Recording the videos were easy but editing, converting, and writing show descriptions took time that I'm not sure will pay off with my current $0 sales record.
Have you emailed studio support to say that you have uploaded your 10 clips and asked them to activate your store?
Bristol
11-04-2014, 01:32 PM
Only 1 is not sexual and nonnude. I have an email from last week stating my store is activated and ready to take orders. This is the store: http://tiny.cc/tjitox I didn't post it since I wasn't sure I was allowed to. (It's also kind of "embarrassing" to be honest.)
I don't understand it. It seems to have been a total waste of time. Or more embarrassingly, it may be things I cannot control. (Not attractive enough, not passing enough, amateur content, etc).
:(
Sara - Clips4Sale.com
11-04-2014, 01:45 PM
Only 1 is not sexual and nonnude. I have an email from last week stating my store is activated and ready to take orders. This is the store: http://clips4sale.com/58497 I didn't post it since I wasn't sure I was allowed to. (It's also kind of "embarrassing" to be honest.)
I don't understand it. It seems to have been a total waste of time. Or more embarrassingly, it may be things I cannot control. (Not attractive enough, not passing enough, amateur content, etc).
:(
I would venture a guess and say it's not updating... You started adding clips back in June with 6 clips and then didn't add anything else until the 29th of October. Once you hit 10 unique clips we reviewed you and approved credit card billing. That is your time to really start promoting your studio.
Clips4Sale is an update based website, the more you update the more visibility you will get. You need to at least add an 11th clip, that will kick off your listing in a category.
The initial 10 unique clips are so a customer has something to look at when your studio is listed on the main page of Clip4Sale. The "New Studios" list is a rolling list and your studio will (or may have already) fallen off the list. Now you should be updating, actively adding new and interesting content and using social media to promote your business.
It's a fact that producers who look at Clips4Sale as a business and take a pro-active role in promoting themselves and their brand (clips) will realize their goals more easily than someone who updates infrequently and relies solely on the traffic Clips4Sale generates and drives.
Good luck and email me if you'd like some more information that may be helpful as you get going with C4S :)
Bristol
11-04-2014, 01:57 PM
It's a fact that producers who look at Clips4Sale as a business and take a pro-active role in promoting themselves and their brand (clips) will realize their goals more easily than someone who updates infrequently and relies solely on the traffic Clips4Sale generates and drives.
I interpret this to mean clips4sale offers little or no value in terms of driving traffic since it appears to be all up me to drive most (if not all) the traffic.
I didn't expect to tons of sales out of the gate. And I did not expect sales prior to the store being activated. And I do have recent videos since I just uploaded them last week. I was concerned because I have been hearing about positive results from numerous clips4sale girls. My 1st week result after opening seems to be atypical, which caused me to be concerned there may be different problem than the ones you listed.
TransdimensionalPrincess
11-04-2014, 02:53 PM
@ Sara - Just wanted to update that after the 1st of november I had no troubles uploading on c4s. Actually since I made the comment my upload speeds have improved on the site. I think it was either my internet or the site updates. =D
SophiaSylvan
11-04-2014, 03:44 PM
I interpret this to mean clips4sale offers little or no value in terms of driving traffic since it appears to be all up me to drive most (if not all) the traffic.
I didn't expect to tons of sales out of the gate. And I did not expect sales prior to the store being activated. And I do have recent videos since I just uploaded them last week. I was concerned because I have been hearing about positive results from numerous clips4sale girls. My 1st week result after opening seems to be atypical, which caused me to be concerned there may be different problem than the ones you listed.
Clips4sale provides a hell of a lot of traffic. And yes, your store would benefit from frequent updates. At least once a week, preferably daily or every other day.
Heid009
11-04-2014, 05:21 PM
Only 1 is not sexual and nonnude. I have an email from last week stating my store is activated and ready to take orders. This is the store: http://tiny.cc/tjitox I didn't post it since I wasn't sure I was allowed to. (It's also kind of "embarrassing" to be honest.)
I don't understand it. It seems to have been a total waste of time. Or more embarrassingly, it may be things I cannot control. (Not attractive enough, not passing enough, amateur content, etc).
:(
Just a small thing, you should (and are allowed to after 3 weeks) have your email in the top description box, so that clients can email you if they want custom clips (as in you charge extra and in so es cases resell it). I also found that the clients fanmail gave me insight into the different aspects of the fetishes that I covered, and some free inspiration.
MissJu
11-04-2014, 05:57 PM
C4s does have a traffic. I do a non nude. And im number one in a category. You have to post vids everyday. Thats it:)10 vids are not enough t-girl.
JayzGirl
11-04-2014, 08:07 PM
So a video every day to try and get good sales?! Does this include photos as well?
TransdimensionalPrincess
11-04-2014, 08:59 PM
Clips4sale has TONS of traffic! http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/clips4sale.com
I haven't done outside marketing in two years and make tons of money on there. If you aren't going to bother to do frequent updates then you aren't going to make money. Also, so many people don't explore other categories to post their videos in - huge mistake (also make sure the category you are posting in has a lot of posts, and make sure you keep up posting to always be on the first page of the category). They don't bother to make sure the "roller over image" is appealing for those to click on. Most importantly, most people don't make sure their clips are long enough to make a decent penny off of. A bunch of 5 minute clips won't get you the money a bunch of 10+ minute clips will.
Oh and how many people just don't bother to read the 93 pages of this thread, if you have the time to read this thread you might just learn how to work this site right.
Now someone link to the thread with advice on how to make six figures a year on c4s. please&thankyou.