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EllieGold
10-25-2015, 09:14 PM
Sales were a little dead for me but I didn't update since the 21st of the month. Because of Sinna's blog (I read the website like a religion a few weeks back) I decided to get my butt in gear and post more updates and really be consistent. Wow.. I am doing better than I had thought. It certainly isn't as much as I dream of, but it's a start. :) Normally I range about $100-200 a month but this month has been much better. Again, it's a start. I hope to increase my earnings by 20% every month until I get where I most feel comfortable.
lasciviaent
10-26-2015, 06:08 AM
Sales were a little dead for me but I didn't update since the 21st of the month. Because of Sinna's blog (I read the website like a religion a few weeks back) I decided to get my butt in gear and post more updates and really be consistent. Wow.. I am doing better than I had thought. It certainly isn't as much as I dream of, but it's a start. :) Normally I range about $100-200 a month but this month has been much better. Again, it's a start. I hope to increase my earnings by 20% every month until I get where I most feel comfortable.
Sinnas tips are awesome , so also Miss Ju and all other studio owners who have given us very good advices !
By the way i noticed something in the last few days, i dont know if someone else has noticed this.
The number of hits i get are very different in the Statistics than in the Graphic , in the Stats section.
For example , Monday 1 in the statistics says that i made 30 hits , but in the Graphic ( the chart ) just a little bit up in the page, it says that i made 60 hits .
Is this normal ? Or maybe it means that people are entering my store from other sites ? Im just curious. Thanks people !
lasciviaent
10-26-2015, 06:52 AM
I have come to the conclusion that I just suck at clips. Even updating regularly, using key words etc my hits keep dropping. Yesterday it was 13, (one of which was a sale thankfully) the day before that 7 frigging hits.
It was a problem with the site, i made between 150-200 hits in my other store daily , and suddenly i only got 3 hits on saturday ! LOL !
Head up ! You dont suck ! I had bad days , and 0 ( zero ) sales in 20 days !!! But instead of that shit let me down , i start writing better description , and start using GIFs , ( i dont recommend the preview videos on the site ) , plus add some images or even gifs to the description.
=)
Sinna (2pee4you)
10-26-2015, 09:02 AM
I have come to the conclusion that I just suck at clips. Even updating regularly, using key words etc my hits keep dropping. Yesterday it was 13, (one of which was a sale thankfully) the day before that 7 frigging hits.
Something is up. I am also surprised by my hit counter the last days. My (wild) guess is that it's connected to the google analytics issue, which might have to do with the website urls used to access our stores.
SophiaSylvan
10-27-2015, 07:14 AM
I'm also guessing wildly, but maybe the bar graph at the bottom is showing unique hits like GA does, and the line chart up top is overall hits? Something changed because my line chart hits are normal and my bar graph is showing half or less than half what they normally do. But they don't correlate to GA hits either. Anyone know what time zone GA is set to? Or is it a setting we can change?
ericachronic
10-27-2015, 08:19 AM
Some thing is definitely going on with the site.
My hits are 1/3 of what they are normally and it started this past week. Also yesterday I hit my goal for the month and was pretty excited. I logged in this morning and my account is now less then it was yesterday but none of the stats show charge backs or refunds. I even tried the sales report search for past chargebacks I had back in May and those are not even showing up. Maybe I am going crazy and my imagination ran wild and thought it was over my goal amount. I emailed support anyway to see what is going on. If I had a chargeback I want to know about it so I can keep an eye out for pirates.
NervousBeaver
10-27-2015, 01:42 PM
No sales today yet... it's 4.40 pm. Since I opened my second store at the end of September I always make at least 25$ per day... I don't know if it's just me not updating enough. Hits are very low as well.
boyru
10-27-2015, 03:02 PM
No sales today yet... it's 4.40 pm. Since I opened my second store at the end of September I always make at least 25$ per day... I don't know if it's just me not updating enough. Hits are very low as well.
How can i open second store at one login?
Classy_Katy
10-28-2015, 01:02 AM
You change your username for the additional stores.
boyru
10-28-2015, 01:58 AM
You change your username for the additional stores.
I need to register another login?
But is is criminal.
One person = only one login = only one store.
NervousBeaver
10-28-2015, 07:23 AM
One person can have many stores. I've seen people with 4, 5 stores or more, one for each category they post in. I would not recommend this because the more stores you have the more complicated it is. I chose to create a second store because I wanted to make 2 very different kinds of vids. One store is for foot fetish & Domme stuff, the other is for dirtier fetishes, more nudity, etc. Your stores will be linked together, there will be a "other stores" scroll down menu on each one of your studio pages. You can ask the customer service to remove that if you don't want people to find out about your other store (which I did).
Classy_Katy
10-29-2015, 02:19 AM
I need to register another login?
But is is criminal.
One person = only one login = only one store.
Not at all! You are still you, you just use a different username to log into each account, your personal info is the same. You can ask studio support for help with setting up extra stores.
Sinna (2pee4you)
10-29-2015, 03:49 PM
I'm also guessing wildly, but maybe the bar graph at the bottom is showing unique hits like GA does, and the line chart up top is overall hits? Something changed because my line chart hits are normal and my bar graph is showing half or less than half what they normally do. But they don't correlate to GA hits either. Anyone know what time zone GA is set to? Or is it a setting we can change?
In google analytics go to admin, then choose the top right link "view settings". There you can change the timezone. I use the same as c4s, but it's still different. It's even more odd since the new c4s design. I have already reported it to c4s support and am waiting for the tech team answer.
My bar graph and line chart show the same hits.
Some thing is definitely going on with the site.
My hits are 1/3 of what they are normally and it started this past week. Also yesterday I hit my goal for the month and was pretty excited. I logged in this morning and my account is now less then it was yesterday but none of the stats show charge backs or refunds. I even tried the sales report search for past chargebacks I had back in May and those are not even showing up. Maybe I am going crazy and my imagination ran wild and thought it was over my goal amount. I emailed support anyway to see what is going on. If I had a chargeback I want to know about it so I can keep an eye out for pirates.
About the hits, I can somewhat confirm that. The strange thing seems to be that the hits are "normal" when I wake up and check the next day. Like I have really low hits late at night, but the next day the previous day shows a reasonable amount.
I also had a refund that I could not trace. It's only in the main menu on the right:
Total Clip Refund $ This Month
Total Clip Chargeback $ This Month
the figure next to it tells you the amount.
When I ran the chargeback and refund report, nothing showed up. I also reported this to support, they confirmed that the refund and chargeback reports are not working at the moment but it's being worked on.
About having two or more stores, just ask studio support. It's easy to open another store, as you don't have to validate again.
boyru
10-30-2015, 01:50 AM
Who can explain?
May 2015: 1400 clips online, $1100 of earnings, ~360 visits per day.
September 2015: 2600 clips online, $460 of earnings, ~580 visits per day.
Sinna (2pee4you)
10-30-2015, 05:55 AM
That's 1200 clips in 4 months, so you published 10 clips / day. With that amount, you should make much more and also have more visitors. One explanation could be that there is some issue with your clips that keeps people from coming back for more. Like sound / picture quality issues or even content issues (are you re-selling old clips?). There could be something about your updates - do you split clips in multiple parts and then upload the whole part? Some studios do that, I have found it to have a negative effect on sales (except you split a clip in two because both parts cover different fetishes or the movie would otherwise be too long to keep up a high quality due to the file size limitation).
Have you changed your previews? You once wrote that it's not worth writing a new description when the video script is basically the same with different actors. Maybe that's keeping customers from buying. I can only ask you to provide a link to your studio as it's not really helpful to assume things without having a clue about what could be the problem.
boyru
10-30-2015, 06:56 AM
I've updated 14 times every day in September. Picture quality iz amazing, 60% of videos shooted with 4K camera and downsized to different videos: 1280x720, 1600x900 and 1920x1080. The downloadable previews locate on my dedicated hosting, but no on c4s hosting.
I think no persons are able to pay over 100$ for 10-15 minute absolutely extreme video.
Sinna (2pee4you)
10-30-2015, 07:08 AM
Ah, now we get a hint -> you ask about $10 per minute? I still don't know what you mean with absolutely extreme. If it's within c4s rules, it should be pretty "normal" in fetish terms (like no vomit, scat, blood). Why don't you post a link to your studio? It just upgrades your exposure. I don't get it at all. However, it could be that you are sitting on a "gold mine" you just ask too much for the clips so people can't get into a buying mood. That's total speculation until I have actually seen your store though.
Luna66
10-30-2015, 07:22 AM
Yeah, $10/minute isn't going to work. That's custom rates. I don't often say this, but you need to lower your prices. Highest I charge is $2/minute and that's for explicit poop content (and some people even say that's too expensive).
SophiaSylvan
10-30-2015, 09:09 AM
How can you do 14 clips a day? Did you buy content and you're reselling it? if you can find it anywhere even free on the web that would account for low sales. is this original content made by you?
Sexyven
10-30-2015, 10:04 AM
Hi to everyone and please excuse my english!
Boyru; How much did your clips cost in may? How are going your sales in your dedicated hosting?
Sinna, I really admire you, Boyru has notoriously refused several times to give her store link even when at first sight that only could help him/her and you continue patiently trying to give a hand, it's very kind of you.
boyru
10-30-2015, 10:41 AM
I cannot give a link to 3rd party users, sorry. I work in niche since 2003 year.
I'm a content producer. All videos are the sole property of me and only me.
I've been registered with c4s-store in 2009. I've started sales in 2015.
You can not help me, because my videos dont have descriptions and I can not imagine and write they.
Luna66
10-30-2015, 11:42 AM
"3rd party users" lol. No offence but you might as well quit now with no descriptions and charging $100 for a standard clip.
boyru
10-30-2015, 11:58 AM
Sorry. I'll not disturb You.
EllieGold
10-30-2015, 12:51 PM
I get anywhere from 200-600 people a day on my store but i update once a day, maybe twice. Lately its been slow and I've been updating kinda like every 2-3 days. I will publish like 5 clips throughout the day and it sells for the next 2-3 days and the cycle begins all over again. I honestly don't know how you do that many clips in 1 day! That's a ton of filming, editing, marketing, posting, management etc! wow...
EllieGold
10-30-2015, 12:54 PM
If you wanted advice, you should post your store link here at least? If I was asking for advice, I would gladly send over my C4S link anytime. Not afraid of girls seeing my store. I sell good and I am in a niche... $10 per min is my custom per min rate and I will usually stick to the standard of $1 per min + $2-6 on top of that if it's something ultra special. So for instance, a 10 minute clip might cost you say, $13.99 give or take a couple dollars either way.
Sinna (2pee4you)
10-31-2015, 12:19 AM
I had a look around, but did not find a russian store with high prices :/ So sorry boyru, but I guess you got some hints as to what could be slowing down sales. I don't quite understand how you have a clips4sale store but don't want people to see it. As I see it, 500-1700 strangers a day look at it right now, but we are not "allowed" to? The people that could actually give advice and sit in the same boat? Think about it.
I actually wanted to say something else. I did a little investigating and to me, it's quite obvious that the hits display is not working correctly in real time. Let's say it shows 300 hits when you normally expect 900 at the end of the day. After the server time switches to the next day, everything is normally hidden for a few hours (the stats from the past day) when they do come up, it suddenly shows the expected 900 instead of 300 hits. So it did count them in the background, but the live stats are not working.
Anyone can confirm? I observe it with both my stores.
Classy_Katy
10-31-2015, 02:13 AM
You can not help me, because my videos dont have descriptions and I can not imagine and write they.
As the action is the same in each clip, you can be descriptive about the experience instead. You can say what you notice about the different models, how the sight, smell, touch, taste differs each time...and imagine the ways those things could be different, even if they're not.
SuperPookie
10-31-2015, 03:59 PM
It was a problem with the site, i made between 150-200 hits in my other store daily , and suddenly i only got 3 hits on saturday ! LOL !
Head up ! You dont suck ! I had bad days , and 0 ( zero ) sales in 20 days !!! But instead of that shit let me down , i start writing better description , and start using GIFs , ( i dont recommend the preview videos on the site ) , plus add some images or even gifs to the description.
=) Thank you, that made me feel much better.
Sinna (2pee4you)
11-01-2015, 02:07 PM
I am so frustrated with VK.com and the DMCA takedown process in general. Anyone else? By the way, if only the content owners can issue dmca takedowns, how would the clipsites be able to help?
VK is refusing to take down my videos since a month now. They insist on all kind of proof, always including my ID, real name, address or pictures of me. Imagine you send that with all takedown requests. That's a full time job and very risky and unreasonable at that. There is a watermark reading sexysinna.com. I have the video in my store. That store verified me with ID. I am verified with ID on loads of major sites. Even with videos.
So why am I the one that has to prove it's my content and not Alexandr Krutskevtov?? (that name is an example just to show how ridiculous that is)
And a final thought: Why would I write tons of text and send links and chat with several support agents they throw at me for a month, when I actually don't own that content. I can't imagine anyone doing that, really. And I also can't imagine that any clipsite can get our content removed when even I myself can't, although I am so obviously the owner.
Okay I am done ranting :)
Now I hope the clipsites don't send our personal info to get the takedowns done. Because that info gets sent straight to the "other party", which is the violator.
boyru
11-01-2015, 03:31 PM
VK is spitting on rules.
They send owners's personal data to pirates.
There are no ways to remove legal porn videos from vk.
Only one way - to provide infomation that models are under age (8-12 y.o.).
Sexyven
11-01-2015, 06:10 PM
It was a problem with the site, i made between 150-200 hits in my other store daily , and suddenly i only got 3 hits on saturday ! LOL !
Head up ! You dont suck ! I had bad days , and 0 ( zero ) sales in 20 days !!! But instead of that shit let me down , i start writing better description , and start using GIFs , ( i dont recommend the preview videos on the site ) , plus add some images or even gifs to the description.
=)
Hi! Excuse me I'm barely learning about C4S, can you please explain why you don't recommend preview videos there? Any tiny little thing I can use for improve sales I'll dig it ;)
Thank you in advance.
Kisses.
MissJu
11-01-2015, 07:05 PM
I only i can suggest to try with vK.com
1) report that morron from the chat you had with him like report him as a spam.
2) report your video as "under age" and report that person who postet as a pedophile..thats mean you write to vk.com that video posted by that dude is illigal because person on vid is under age.
3) hire a person who can hack his account and delete everything. And print screen all his conversations, albums and after blackmail him:D
Sinna (2pee4you)
11-01-2015, 08:14 PM
Hi! Excuse me I'm barely learning about C4S, can you please explain why you don't recommend preview videos there? Any tiny little thing I can use for improve sales I'll dig it ;)
Thank you in advance.
Kisses.
I think what is meant here are the previews that c4s creates for you if you don't upload your own preview. It's a series of - I think (have not used it in years) - 5 pictures from the first 5 minutes of your video. They are random and often not good. It's especially important to make the first picture - or frame, if you use gifs, enticing. That is the picture / frame people will see when they hover over your clips on c4s.
You can use the c4s preview gif maker to choose pictures of your own for the gif, but it's pretty slow loading and can be frustrating.
Tea4Me
11-01-2015, 10:55 PM
Hi! Excuse me I'm barely learning about C4S, can you please explain why you don't recommend preview videos there? Any tiny little thing I can use for improve sales I'll dig it ;)
Thank you in advance.
Kisses.
Believe or not, but there are guys that will just jerk to the short preview videos. If you write a decent description and have an enticing (animated) preview gif, a preview video on top of that isn't really necessary, IMHO. If they want to hear my voice, see how I move, what I say, etc...they can buy the clip! lol
CandaceMoon
11-02-2015, 04:31 AM
Hey all, I've been lurking for awhile, been keeping up with topics though. I have to say....I think boyru is just seeking attention. I think he's enjoying all of the attention from pretty ladies. There is no reason to not post his store link. He "can't link to 3rd party users". What does that even mean. If you are a content producer and are paying your models, you own the content, post the links wherever you want. He has all these issues with c4s, but won't do the easiest thing that might get him help....post a link. You claim to be in some top secret, ultra exclusive niche....obviously it's not working for you. Boyru, either move on from that niche and film content that makes money or post a link so the knowledgable ladies here might be able to offer some valid, on target advice. My 2 pennies.
Sinna (2pee4you)
11-02-2015, 07:41 AM
Believe or not, but there are guys that will just jerk to the short preview videos. If you write a decent description and have an enticing (animated) preview gif, a preview video on top of that isn't really necessary, IMHO. If they want to hear my voice, see how I move, what I say, etc...they can buy the clip! lol
I have run my clipstore with video previews enabled and disabled for exactly 1 month multiple times over the years, to see how it would compare. I actually made the highest ever and lowest ever amounts with previews turned off. I made anything in between with previews turned on.
So yeah, it really doesn't matter that much - but guys will watch the previews and miss them when they are gone. You could be right about them jerking to it but it could also be that, after watching their favorite preview 50 times, they are really curious and just want to have the whole thing :)
From a sales point of view, I'd say it does not matter.
thekhaleesi
11-02-2015, 08:26 AM
I would love to make a clips4sale! Many years ago I did work for several C4s companies in the Tampa Bay area (Jerkygirls, monstersofjizz, charleechase, tickle4torture, 420cocksuckers and Tugjobs). I actually make my own Pornography and sell exclusively on MGF. I think this would be really great to do since my videos are like...my most favorite thing to do on my own. Any tips to a newbie? I don't have a specific fetish because II am a no limits performer.
chloemay
11-02-2015, 09:34 AM
I would love to make a clips4sale! Many years ago I did work for several C4s companies in the Tampa Bay area (Jerkygirls, monstersofjizz, charleechase, tickle4torture, 420cocksuckers and Tugjobs). I actually make my own Pornography and sell exclusively on MGF. I think this would be really great to do since my videos are like...my most favorite thing to do on my own. Any tips to a newbie? I don't have a specific fetish because II am a no limits performer.
Tip for newbie: Read the 3000+ posts before yours.
thekhaleesi
11-02-2015, 11:04 AM
Tip for newbie: Read the 3000+ posts before yours. nah that's way too much work. Was just hoping for a quick answer applicable to my particular situation. But thanks
SophiaUK
11-02-2015, 12:31 PM
nah that's way too much work. Was just hoping for a quick answer applicable to my particular situation. But thanks
First you didn't give your situation so how can you get an answer? When I was new I read every page on this thread and made notes it doesn't take that long and there is all the info you could ever want.
Luna66
11-02-2015, 12:56 PM
nah that's way too much work. Was just hoping for a quick answer applicable to my particular situation. But thanks
Lol you will not last long here.
MissJu
11-02-2015, 01:05 PM
nah that's way too much work. Was just hoping for a quick answer applicable to my particular situation. But thanks
http://adult-income.com This is the best advice i can give
I had to restart my computer and then I got logged out of my C4S site. I'm trying to log in now and it won't let me. I have my correct password entered. Anyone else having problems logging in?
UPDATE: They locked my account because they wanted a photo ID and W9. They never contacted me asking for an ID and W9. They just locked my account. Not a cool way to do business if you ask me. I sent them what they wanted, let's see how long it takes them to unlock my account.
NervousBeaver
11-02-2015, 06:36 PM
nah that's way too much work. Was just hoping for a quick answer applicable to my particular situation. But thanks
If you want to succeed on clips4sale you will have to do a lot of work. You have to upload at least a clip per day if you want to have enough exposure and make a significant income. Write good descriptions, make your own gif preview, etc. If you are not ready to put a lot of hours into this it might not be the right site for you.
Like others said before me if you want to succeed on c4s you should read the whole thread or at least start reading post from 2013 to today, and also check out Sienna's page http://adult-income.com
thekhaleesi
11-02-2015, 08:33 PM
I'm aware. But I already am on a bunch of the sites there. So I guess I'll just sell my videos where they are. Mycherrycrush.com gave me inspiration to make my own site now.
Sexyven
11-02-2015, 08:43 PM
About previews I'd say it depends on the clip; if there is something important about the sound (like laugh, sexy voice, funny word or sentence, etc.) maybe it could work better than just the gif.
But for moves, clothes, positions or thing like that I think just the gif is fine, but of course don't take my words too much seriously because I'm a rookie who has very much for learn, that's why I asked about it, I tough I was missing something important :)
And yes of course this is A LOT OF WORK, I've no options and I'm not complaining at all but just for decide to work with C4S I had spent hours and hours and hours just reading about C4S, and that's nothing compared with how much I have read after that, including this thread (all the 130+ pages) and of course my guardian angel Sinna's page http://adult-income.com/ and that doesn't include all the other things (besides the obvious) we have to do in order to sell. We have to much for improve but step by step we are making it, nothing is easy here maybe in the future with a loyal base of fans but I think it is more difficult at the beginning.
Kisses.
MissJu
11-02-2015, 10:09 PM
I'm aware. But I already am on a bunch of the sites there. So I guess I'll just sell my videos where they are. Mycherrycrush.com gave me inspiration to make my own site now.
Check modelcentro.com seems like a nice service.
Classy_Katy
11-03-2015, 12:39 AM
Believe or not, but there are guys that will just jerk to the short preview videos. If you write a decent description and have an enticing (animated) preview gif, a preview video on top of that isn't really necessary, IMHO. If they want to hear my voice, see how I move, what I say, etc...they can buy the clip! lol
It's really a judgment call...for some clips I'll use a preview and some not, for some I'll have a gif and for others just a still image. I've know guys to wank just from the gif and description but there are guys who will wank to drying paint too. I also know guys who want hear the girl's voice before they will buy the clip. The top studios seem to have very graphic gifs and long descriptions.
alex00
11-03-2015, 12:50 AM
Im wanting to transition out of live camming, can you sell clips or videos and make a full time living out of it that is comparable to camming? Thank You
justsometwat
11-03-2015, 05:29 AM
I'm aware. But I already am on a bunch of the sites there. So I guess I'll just sell my videos where they are. Mycherrycrush.com gave me inspiration to make my own site now.
Cherrycrush has a MASSIVE following, on her cam site, on social media, and on reddit. She's incredibly well know, hell I saw her in a 50 gif long post of cat gifs on Imgur the other day. It was the only gif of her and I recognized her immediately and I haven't ever even spoken to her.
Having your own site will be a lot of work too, more so than C4S and yes you can use ModelCentro but unless you want to spend most of your time keeping it updated and marketing, you will find that it's not going to generate much revenue either. If you sell exclusively on MGF, then you will know you can't tell your customers there about your website, so it defeats the purpose. Most of your site's customers will likely be people that have no idea or care that you're on MGF.
You'll get the same answer for all of the sites. Read the forum posts, update regularly, and be prepared for a lot of work. All you have to do on MGF is log in and send messages. You can sell the same 10 videos for the next 10 years and make some money on it, but all other sites will require updating and often.