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MissJu
01-22-2016, 08:58 AM
those vids are first 10,but yes better put 1 per day than 10 in one day and after you be burn out and overwhelmed.
You are so cute keep going. your tax situation depends on country where you are.
EllieGold
01-22-2016, 09:28 AM
Offer him $50 in free clips OR half off the purchase of another custom. Don't let him freak you out and don't let him dictate your store updates (your $$$). Explain you are super busy, you did the best you could, offer him one of the discounts. If that's not satisfying to him, cordially invite him to not purchase any more of your material.
I already sent him 30 free videos of mine when i sent the final one over so I think that's enough so far. Seriously this dude scares me... hes so bipolar it really is freaky. There is nothing wrong with bipolar but i mean hes nice one minute a total stalking ass the next. He asked me personal questions afterwards about my zodiac sign, place of birth and month of birth so he could send over a detailed zodiac reading. Well I am just not into giving my personal details. I am one of the most private people you may ever know. A good friend of mine just passed recently and I was off and explained that but was called a liar. Oh jeeze.
lettysmoking
01-22-2016, 10:54 AM
i am dealing with a crazy nut that i made a custom for back a month ago. This guy has completely turned physco on me too. i made his custom and sent it out All in all. 13 mins for 100 and it was a couple days late but thats besides the point. We agreed on 8 mins but i added in extra time for being so late. then he wanted a reshoot. No problem, ill refilm a few mins and send it out. I've been insanely busy this month with a 2 month old and started getting harassing emails about the retake. This has seriously freaked me out I don't even want to update my clips4sale with new clips anymore because if I do, i get another harassing email. It has gotten so bad i just want to delete my custom clips email and not accept customs anymore. I need to copy/paste to show how harassing and weird its getting.
Why don't you block/ignore him after telling that you're done with him ? Ok for reshooting if you really fucked up, but you went way over what I'd have done.
I may be new at clips4sale and all that stuff but I've quite the experience with custom videos as I used to make some pocket (paypall limit~) money with it during the last months. Actually I opened a c4s because I was overwhelmed with the custom video requests...
Offer him $50 in free clips OR half off the purchase of another custom. Don't let him freak you out and don't let him dictate your store updates (your $$$). Explain you are super busy, you did the best you could, offer him one of the discounts. If that's not satisfying to him, cordially invite him to not purchase any more of your material.
I wouldn't give (nor take) shit to somebody who did this to me, I think it's bad advice. You're playing his game, you're giving him what he wants while he's being a dick. That's giving him power and putting him higher than you are, as if he was in control.
I already sent him 30 free videos of mine when i sent the final one over so I think that's enough so far. Seriously this dude scares me... hes so bipolar it really is freaky. There is nothing wrong with bipolar but i mean hes nice one minute a total stalking ass the next. He asked me personal questions afterwards about my zodiac sign, place of birth and month of birth so he could send over a detailed zodiac reading. Well I am just not into giving my personal details. I am one of the most private people you may ever know. A good friend of mine just passed recently and I was off and explained that but was called a liar. Oh jeeze.
Did I this correctly as in you sent him 30 videos that you usually have to pay for ? If that's the case, even if it's shit videos and throwaway as I said previously it's giving him power and putting him in a position where he basically have control. You shouldn't even mention that detail about your friend passing away - May he rest in peace and you stay strong - that's giving way too much and again, he can feel like you're depressed/not strong and use it against you. You've the chance (luck?) to do business through e-mail, it's all text, customers don't see your faces and emotions so don't let them know how you feel except if it's positive stuff.
those vids are first 10,but yes better put 1 per day than 10 in one day and after you be burn out and overwhelmed.
You are so cute keep going. your tax situation depends on country where you are.
Thank you MissJu! xx
I plan to update once a week maybe, I'll see how it goes...
NervousBeaver
01-22-2016, 12:56 PM
I'm at 1110$ so far this month and updating less than the previous months. (I also made money on other clip sites and sold 6 custom vids this month, 3 from the same person.) I know I could do way more money if I would film more. But I am learning to relax and find good video ideas that I know I will have fun making (quality over quantity, have fun over stressing out all the time). I post vids in the categories where I had success in the past and some in other categories where I didn't had much success but keep trying. A lot of time I didn't sold my clips the first or second time I posted in certain category and after the 3rd or 4th one I start selling. Maybe some people prefer to wait until you have more experience in a fetish before to buy a clip, I don't know.
I had to take many days off this week because my boyfriend was at home, very sick and coughing pretty much all day. Even when my boyfriend is not there I don't have a lot of room during the day to shoot clips. I have noisy neighbor that works at night and woke up at 2-2:30, he likes to invite friends over all the time and he has an annoying dog that keep barking when its left alone. Can't wait to move out of this place! Hopefully we will find a condo to rent soon. Sorry for the rant!
justsometwat
01-22-2016, 01:46 PM
those vids are first 10,but yes better put 1 per day than 10 in one day and after you be burn out and overwhelmed.
You are so cute keep going. your tax situation depends on country where you are.
Totally forgot about that!
PrincessfromHell
01-22-2016, 02:08 PM
I bet they were recorded without their consent. We should report them to Clips4sale just incase. Maybe they can request records to prove its ok?
I agree with you. So random: Colombian, Russian, English...some gals are not even in studios. I am sure it is stolen content. I hope someone will report them, I am not on c4s yet. Otherwise I would.
MissJu
01-22-2016, 04:01 PM
"Thank you MissJu! xx
I plan to update once a week maybe, I'll see how it goes..."
are you planning only put smoking vids?
You look so great, try other fetishes!
MissJu
01-22-2016, 04:05 PM
I'm at 1110$ so far this month and updating less than the previous months. (I also made money on other clip sites and sold 6 custom vids this month, 3 from the same person.) I know I could do way more money if I would film more. But I am learning to relax and find good video ideas that I know I will have fun making (quality over quantity, have fun over stressing out all the time). I post vids in the categories where I had success in the past and some in other categories where I didn't had much success but keep trying. A lot of time I didn't sold my clips the first or second time I posted in certain category and after the 3rd or 4th one I start selling. Maybe some people prefer to wait until you have more experience in a fetish before to buy a clip, I don't know.t!
I made about the same $. My main problem is noisy environment, and my limited imagination.
I have been lately very dopefull of myself...
EllieGold
01-22-2016, 10:46 PM
i sound so whiny and depressed oh my... and i am usually a very strong woman. I just had a baby a couple months ago so my hormones are so out of whack. I am going back to not doing any custom requests. I just don't like being told what to do. I feel like it inhibits my creative juju.
lettysmoking
01-23-2016, 02:54 AM
"Thank you MissJu! xx
I plan to update once a week maybe, I'll see how it goes..."
are you planning only put smoking vids?
You look so great, try other fetishes!
Thank you :3
Nope just smoking fetish video, that's what I am and like to do. I'll probably mix some fetishes with it such as feet, heels and very secondary stuff like that based on requests but that's it! Only 2 categories for me if everythings stick to the plan.
space_cowgirl
01-23-2016, 08:59 AM
i sound so whiny and depressed oh my... and i am usually a very strong woman. I just had a baby a couple months ago so my hormones are so out of whack. I am going back to not doing any custom requests. I just don't like being told what to do. I feel like it inhibits my creative juju.
Congratulations on your new baby. :)
Did you block the crazy guy?
CandaceMoon
01-23-2016, 09:46 AM
Why don't you block/ignore him after telling that you're done with him ? Ok for reshooting if you really fucked up, but you went way over what I'd have done.
I may be new at clips4sale and all that stuff but I've quite the experience with custom videos as I used to make some pocket (paypall limit~) money with it during the last months. Actually I opened a c4s because I was overwhelmed with the custom video requests...
I wouldn't give (nor take) shit to somebody who did this to me, I think it's bad advice. You're playing his game, you're giving him what he wants while he's being a dick. That's giving him power and putting him higher than you are, as if he was in control.
Did I this correctly as in you sent him 30 videos that you usually have to pay for ? If that's the case, even if it's shit videos and throwaway as I said previously it's giving him power and putting him in a position where he basically have control. You shouldn't even mention that detail about your friend passing away - May he rest in peace and you stay strong - that's giving way too much and again, he can feel like you're depressed/not strong and use it against you. You've the chance (luck?) to do business through e-mail, it's all text, customers don't see your faces and emotions so don't let them know how you feel except if it's positive stuff.
Thank you MissJu! xx
I plan to update once a week maybe, I'll see how it goes...
If a customer is truly displeased, offering a small compensation is nothing but good customer service. On the other hand, if you sent him 30 free videos and he's still being a dick, I would block him from every social media outlet and from emailing me and move on. There is no pleasing some people and once I get the hint that a guy is like that, I block him and forget he exists.
justsometwat
01-23-2016, 10:52 AM
I think it depends on the situation. It seems pretty common place for models to take around a month for custom videos to be filmed and delivered. And a lot of customers seem totally fine with that. I don't get a lot of custom video requests but I try to deliver them within the week when I do and will not accept more than a couple at a time, but I can see how a lot of people would be overwhelmed with a lot of requests and it take longer. But when someone is being abusive and harassing you I think it's best not to give into them too much or it re-enforces that bad behavior.
"If I complain, then I will get stuff for free" kind of deal. I would have blocked him along time ago when he started being unreasonable. If she gave him extra time on the custom video and sent him a bunch of free videos then there's really nothing that can be done and he should be lucky she didn't block him a long time ago or tell him to fuck off and deal with it.
EllieGold
01-24-2016, 12:30 AM
If a customer is truly displeased, offering a small compensation is nothing but good customer service. On the other hand, if you sent him 30 free videos and he's still being a dick, I would block him from every social media outlet and from emailing me and move on. There is no pleasing some people and once I get the hint that a guy is like that, I block him and forget he exists.
Well said Candace. This guy was a freaking drag. A nightmare experience to say the least. I don't really want to do customs anymore anyway until my insane schedule slows down a bit. This month I could have used the extra money, but seriously... I'm slammed and my C4S is severely lacking this month. :(
lettysmoking
01-24-2016, 02:16 AM
Okay so I've already completed the long term challenge I gave myself on c4s, anyone here even been to the top 50 on the front page ? Top 50 clips or studios and if yes how much do you need to sell approximatively to be there ? Also how are the top studios decided except recent sales ? Like say for exemple, is it based on weekly sales ? Daily ? Monthly ? Thank you :)
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-24-2016, 03:07 AM
Okay so I've already completed the long term challenge I gave myself on c4s, anyone here even been to the top 50 on the front page ? Top 50 clips or studios and if yes how much do you need to sell approximatively to be there ? Also how are the top studios decided except recent sales ? Like say for exemple, is it based on weekly sales ? Daily ? Monthly ? Thank you :)
Just when I thought you had read my guide :P It's here in the first chapter "Money to be made", pretty much in the middle:
"The top 50 Studios on the main page constantly change, but to enter on rank #50 you would need about $1400 / week (= the past 168 hours, it’s pretty precisely 7 days) at the time I am writing this. In the past it was easier, at about $1100. That means if you can make $200+ every day for 7 days, you have a chance to be in the top 50 on the main page."
http://adult-income.com/promotion-and-updating-clipstore-guide-for-beginners/
Several girls here have been in the top 50. I used to be in there as well.
I have never had a top 50 clip. That toplist is based on pure # of sales, not on the money that clip earned the studio. My "guess" is you need about 35 sales on a single clip within 168hours to enter that, but I have no clue since I have never been in there. It's just an educated guess.
lettysmoking
01-24-2016, 06:41 AM
Just when I thought you had read my guide :P It's here in the first chapter "Money to be made", pretty much in the middle:
"The top 50 Studios on the main page constantly change, but to enter on rank #50 you would need about $1400 / week (= the past 168 hours, it’s pretty precisely 7 days) at the time I am writing this. In the past it was easier, at about $1100. That means if you can make $200+ every day for 7 days, you have a chance to be in the top 50 on the main page."
Several girls here have been in the top 50. I used to be in there as well.
I have never had a top 50 clip. That toplist is based on pure # of sales, not on the money that clip earned the studio. My "guess" is you need about 35 sales on a single clip within 168hours to enter that, but I have no clue since I have never been in there. It's just an educated guess.
Shame on me, so much informations went through my little head in the recent days, totally forgot about that part... Overwhelmed as I said!
SophiaSylvan
01-24-2016, 06:59 AM
I've had a few Top 50 clips. Not in a year or so, but then it took 40 sales in the first week they were posted. Top 50 clips is about # of clips sold, not the amount of $.
EllieGold
01-24-2016, 07:36 PM
I have had one clip enter the top 50 in November. I sold around 50 of them in quick timespan. It brought me tons of traffic and it was unexpected. Since then..nada.
EllieGold
01-24-2016, 10:12 PM
Shame on me, so much informations went through my little head in the recent days, totally forgot about that part... Overwhelmed as I said!
what do you film with? I found your store on Clips4sale and you have an amazing camera! I was thinking about getting a dslr to film with for better quality than my c920. You are so pretty I can see why your clips sold! :)
lettysmoking
01-25-2016, 06:41 AM
I have had one clip enter the top 50 in November. I sold around 50 of them in quick timespan. It brought me tons of traffic and it was unexpected. Since then..nada.
I've had a few Top 50 clips. Not in a year or so, but then it took 40 sales in the first week they were posted. Top 50 clips is about # of clips sold, not the amount of $.
Congratz on top 50! Must be really cool to see your video on the main page ;D I'm only dominating my category right now and ! Hopefully I'll keep going and end up in the frontpage! New goal ;)
what do you film with? I found your store on Clips4sale and you have an amazing camera! I was thinking about getting a dslr to film with for better quality than my c920. You are so pretty I can see why your clips sold! :)
Thank you :3 I've had a lot of questions about this, so I'm gonna try to make a quick one and if there's enough demand/request I'll do some tutorial on how to guetto setup great light which equal great quality.
So first thing first, here's what I use:
Canon 600D (not sure you'll find it it's old now, but you'll find 750d or so) and different lens. So you've seen the C4S, for exemple to achieve the quality in this one (and I swear the GIF don't do it any justice) I used a 50mm lens and simply put myself in front of my window and it was just sunlight and a well done shot. Well, France's sun anyway because fuck this weather.
Now, let's dive into something that need a bit of work around and more material: Take a good look at the first few min of the gif, noticed anything ? So that's a fuckup on me and my boyfriend, we didn't realized the were... reflected by the window. Reflectors are big deal if you can manage to use them well, with or without sunlight. In this case, they're reflecting sunlight and I'm using the yellow one to give me warmer light. I did this for two reasons, first I wanted the smoke to show very well with natural light and what's better than sunlight itself for it ? Second because sunlight wasn't enough to give me clear light the other way around and I would've needed to either up ISO and that's a bad thing or open the shutter too wide. Never go above 800 ISO! The lens was a 18-55mm just to be more flexible and because we wanted some close-ups and whatnot.
Now you're in a situation where the weather is really really really shitty, it's getting dark but you really want to shoot anyway, that's where "guetto setup" comes into play.
Here are 2 screenshots (again, screenshots are even worst than GIF but fuck it: ). In the first screenshot you can see the wood piece is actually a chair, on top of a chair, and on top of these two there's a box, on top of this box there's this (it's actually this very lamp LOL) with a white light bulb. If I put it so high it's because I wanted it to be on my face to have a direct source of lighting on me but it wasn't enough so again, I made use of the reflector and again the yellow one because otherwise I'd just be a vampire - I'm already very very pale - so it was just to warm the shot a little bit even though the direction was Red, Black and White (marlboro/nails/lipstick, me, leather). We put the reflector on our staircase/stool/stepladder whatever's the name () with some of these and once we got the right light we started shooting. This time again, because we wanted some zoom in zoom out we used the 18-55mm and iirc it was 800 ISO. Note that if I put only one of the two (lamp or reflector) it would've a directionnal light effet, which would cause weird shadows on my face and would make me look terrible.
ALSO I TOTALLY FORGOT BUT I use a tripod in everyshot and before using a tripod I just used something to put my camera on (kinda like chair on chair on something that have an angle and some duct tape. Duct tape's the shit trust me I'm an engineer ;D).
I used 3 exemples of different situation, from the "best" to the "guetto setup" and what you should remember is that to achieve quality you gotta achieve great lighting. I've checked out the 920 and I've seen that a lot of girl use this, that's okay in my opinion but I don't think you'll find better quality than the entry level DSLR from canon/nikkon. But ask yourself, do you need it ? Also I didn't got too technical with the DSLR but just a heads up, you'll have to learn a bit about white balance and much more actually. Also with a DSLR, you can take some very nice pictures in everyday life so that's a bonus! ;D
I'll try to take pictures next time I do the "guetto setup" thing because some of them are really hilarious and can give you idea to work around what you have in your house.
That's it I hope it's clear enough for you readers looking for better camera shots, hopefully I didn't break any rules with my titties out or link to my C4S. Lighting is the key!
edit: if some things aren't clear just ask away I'll do my best to answer
Sorry if there's grammatical mistakes or anything, I'm not a native.
Anybody use manyvids? They sent me an e-mail today about opening a store there. I tried kinkbomb but do nowhere near the numbers I do on clips4sale so I'm apprehensive about trying another site. Is manyclips worth the effort?
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-25-2016, 05:08 PM
There is a manyvids thread as well, but since we are all clogged up at industry insights anyway, might as well answer here. I can't make sense of manyvids. They seem to have a lot of visitors, but I don't think they can be compared to c4s sales / traffic wise. It's strange.
On manyvids, in my opinion it doesn't matter how many clips you have, you don't stand out more. Having said that, if you only have a few clips, like 50, I would open a store there and put them up because you will make some sales from time to time and - why not make these on the side.
I didn't notice that I make more sales on manyvids when I update often. There doesn't seem to be a promotional system in place there, compared to clips4sale who put you on the front page when you update.
The most "shocking" thing is, that I sort of learned that you don't make a lot on manyvids, which demotivated me a little to go further there. Together with the fact that I don't seem to be able to work harder and earn more there.
You can find a little more info about manyvids and see how I did (when I tried) here:
http://adult-income.com/manyvids-clipstore/
sexysusie
01-25-2016, 06:01 PM
I've made a couple of hundred on MV and I've been there since they started. You get the odd passing customer but judging by the statistics there is no traffic to my page at all apart from what goes from my mfc profile which i rarely work on. Traffic goes straight to the top sellers who are featured on the main page. I noticed they now have a banner up saying "number 1 clip site", really not sure how they figure that :-/
@Sinna thank you SO much for your wonderful guide. I read it cover to cover yesterday and am planning to restart my clips4sale. I've had a store for years and used to be top of my categories in giantess, unaware, vore etc but didnt update in forever and now i see those categories are SO overcrowded. It's sad really as those niches are what i love to explore. But I've chosen a new niche now and already made a couple of clips, and i've had some requests for customs lately which i'm trying to decide if to put in there or not as they are very different from the main niche. I actually started another store last year which did quite well but again i stopped updating. those clips are all watermarked with a url i no longer use and the subject is taboo which again doesn't go with the new niche i've chosen. I basically have a whole load of clips all with different watermarks and different niches tha don't go together lol. Got a lot to sort out in the coming week as I plan to be up and running with the new store within a fortnight. So thanks again, it's really appreciated all the hard work you put in to doing that guide x
Tea4Me
01-25-2016, 07:25 PM
There is a manyvids thread as well, but since we are all clogged up at industry insights anyway, might as well answer here. I can't make sense of manyvids. They seem to have a lot of visitors, but I don't think they can be compared to c4s sales / traffic wise. It's strange.
On manyvids, in my opinion it doesn't matter how many clips you have, you don't stand out more. Having said that, if you only have a few clips, like 50, I would open a store there and put them up because you will make some sales from time to time and - why not make these on the side.
Nothing does really compare with Clips4Sale though. I've read that time and time again about other clips sites--they just don't have the traffic.
And I'm curious about your comment about having more clips making you stand out more. How do you mean this? I know you've said something similar in regards to the Top 50 on the main page and that the studios in the top 50 seem to have hundreds of clips. (I'm paraphrasing) Is that what you mean about standing out?
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-26-2016, 03:18 AM
categories in giantess, unaware, vore etc but didnt update in forever and now i see those categories are SO overcrowded. It's sad really as those niches are what i love to explore.
Those categories can still work well, so if you really enjoy those - and sorry if I plant a little doubt in your plans now - why not pick them up again on one store and do the new niche on another one? Focus on the new niche and so the giantess / vore stuff for fun, update once every 2 days or so. It might be worth it.
Nothing does really compare with Clips4Sale though. I've read that time and time again about other clips sites--they just don't have the traffic.
And I'm curious about your comment about having more clips making you stand out more. How do you mean this? I know you've said something similar in regards to the Top 50 on the main page and that the studios in the top 50 seem to have hundreds of clips. (I'm paraphrasing) Is that what you mean about standing out?
The thing is, according to my research, manyvids does have surprising amounts of traffic. They have more than 10 times the traffic of smaller sites like iwantclips (900 000 vs 90 000 unique visitors / month) and close the gap to c4s (2.5 million) continuously (all traffic estimates from hypestat.com). Of course, one reason for the huge difference in sales could be that these "new" clipsites just try to generate massive traffic with social media and stuff, which in fact is not as good as the more targeted traffic c4s has (someone visiting c4s is more likely to be on the lookout for a clip to buy, someone visiting the other clipsites might have just clicked a link on any social media platform and is less likely to be a customer/consumer on the lookout)
There are probably also more people visiting c4s from their "old" bookmarks than the other clipsites - good traffic as well.
My comment about having more clips making you stand out more was meant like this: On other sites, I didn't notice my updates being announced to everyone as much as on c4s. When you publish a clip on c4s, you stay up in a few lists (at least 2) for some time. When you publish in different categories, you are prominently displayed there and on the front page. When you do well, you get the chance to be in even more lists (top lists and top clips list of categories and main page).
I didn't see that on other sites and I think it's one of the reasons the traffic is not as well spread on these (meaning I don't doubt that a very select few earn good money on other clipsites, but most studios don't even get noticed and have no chance to get a piece of the traffic, because no system is in place that let's them get some spotlight).
With c4s's system, everytime you update, you get in lists and you have the chance to get into more lists. The more clips you have, the more you have been listed, the more exposure you had, the more chances you had to land a "big one" and go up in any extra toplists.
The more clips in different categories you have, the more lists you enter. You can enter up to 5 lists with 1 clip, I think I explained that in one of the starter guides as well. By breaking into new categories, you also get the chance to have your banner listed there. Yes, it's antique and sounds out-dated, but it works better than the fancy new designs in that exposure regard.
The # of clips are also shown next to your store name. I guess a "12" there doesn't "feel" as "good" to a customer as a "789", but that's a guess.
The thing is, the more clips you have, the more you have been in the spotlight with your updates, the more you have had the chance to climb a toplist etc. That's what I meant.
Tea4Me
01-26-2016, 09:22 AM
Sinna, thanks for your reply. I guess I should have said "well converting traffic". Only because I've heard others say that they don't make as much money on the other clips sites as they do on C4S. I've also read that some of those other sites (IWC for sure, although I thought Kinkbomb as well...) were run by other (female) clip producers. Which shouldn't be a problem, unless they have things slanted in their favor (meaning *their* own clip stores or their friends gets more exposure than others).
LazyCat
01-27-2016, 09:11 PM
There is a manyvids thread as well, but since we are all clogged up at industry insights anyway, might as well answer here. I can't make sense of manyvids. They seem to have a lot of visitors, but I don't think they can be compared to c4s sales / traffic wise. It's strange.
I didn't notice that I make more sales on manyvids when I update often. There doesn't seem to be a promotional system in place there, compared to clips4sale who put you on the front page when you update.
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We were making some money on manvids until Mid-December -- it seems they changed their default sort on their video page from "Newest Vids" to "Being Viewed" - so posting new content will never be seen on the front page by default any longer (and as said, only a stray passer-by will find you). So we haven't had a sale since mid-December yet we're growing great on C4S. I think it's a huge mistake on their part if they want to attract new content.
justsometwat
01-28-2016, 06:08 AM
We were making some money on manvids until Mid-December -- it seems they changed their default sort on their video page from "Newest Vids" to "Being Viewed" - so posting new content will never be seen on the front page by default any longer (and as said, only a stray passer-by will find you). So we haven't had a sale since mid-December yet we're growing great on C4S. I think it's a huge mistake on their part if they want to attract new content.
This is exactly what I told them. The new content is MUCH better to show than being viewed. When they removed that my sales dropped to nothing.
Of course the top models will almost always be the ones showing in the being viewed leaving everyone else to bring their own customers and traffic. Absolute shame.
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-28-2016, 06:40 AM
We were making some money on manvids until Mid-December -- it seems they changed their default sort on their video page from "Newest Vids" to "Being Viewed" - so posting new content will never be seen on the front page by default any longer (and as said, only a stray passer-by will find you). So we haven't had a sale since mid-December yet we're growing great on C4S. I think it's a huge mistake on their part if they want to attract new content.
That explains a lot.
This is exactly what I told them. The new content is MUCH better to show than being viewed. When they removed that my sales dropped to nothing.
Of course the top models will almost always be the ones showing in the being viewed leaving everyone else to bring their own customers and traffic. Absolute shame.
The biggest feature are the "Trending vids" which are much more prominent than the other vids and those are the best selling clips from the day before. So there really doesn't seem to be a spot for new content right now.
I also had an idea about that traffic of MV compared to c4s. Producers log in on manyvids.com. With c4s, producers don't log in on clips4sale.com. So producers logging in and out don't count towards c4s traffic, but they count towards manyvids traffic. Obviously that's pretty useless traffic, as producers rarely come to buy stuff.
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-28-2016, 10:34 AM
You know a while ago I asked c4s to create a teeth fetish category, right? They did it and asked me to add content soon. I didn't get the chance yet, but while I was just browsing the c4s categories in search of something else than "instructional", I checked on the teeth fetish category. And it's full! Both toplists and it looks pretty busy already for such a young category. I'll try a few clips soon, as I DO have a teeth fetish and maybe this category is a great one. I am not surprised that studios quickly filled it, but it seems to be well frequented by customers. So that's great :)
justsometwat
01-28-2016, 10:39 AM
When I first found out about C4S both my SO and I took a look at their site and thought that there was no potential there at all. It's one big jumbled mess of names and videos. I didn't think I was ever going to be seen, especially a few years ago when I was still new, it's not like I had a huge fan base to bring over. Honestly, C4S might be kind of ugly and archaic looking, but it's user friendly and it's functionality is spot on. Everything is pretty clear cut. You want to look for something specific? Search a category. You want to search certain words, look em up.
MV doesn't have ease of functionality and their constant changing and adding of features is what will drive old customers away and make it harder for new customers to use their site. Not to mention they added the MV score which is just like MFC's that NO ONE likes. It's very true that you can have too many options. It's overwhelming and a huge turn off.
MV might have traffic being directed from camsites like MFC, but C4S is cut and dry with no gimmicks. If you click on MV Girls there's a small section with top earners of the last hour. Why does that even need to be accessible by customers? I think they are adding too much on and they might have traffic, but there's really no chance for models to rise up through the ranks unless they become an MFC top model.
At least on C4S I can find a popular niche/fetish and make a video and stand a chance and as Sinna said, when you update on C4S you appear on several different lists giving yourself an opportunity to be seen by potentially new customers!
FreakyFranky
01-28-2016, 05:34 PM
Interesting about MV changing their approach, I didn't know that... Sucks, I hadn't made it to my $100 payout yet, boo, cuz now it seems I never will. :( I guess C4S it is... Good ole' faithful!
Question about who's done the taboo/"illegal" fetishes - someone's expressed interest in watching me poop. Not touch it/eat it/whatever, just go. I see some girls have actual videos of the shit coming out (or at least their gifs show it), but I don't want to risk it.
Could I just have a padded out __ minute long video to sell, then send them the actual video through email? Is there a better way to do this?
MissJu
01-28-2016, 08:27 PM
Y sell it on a site dedicated for that.
Y sell it on a site dedicated for that.
I'm in the US. There's no site that's legal.
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-28-2016, 09:35 PM
The guys want to see you poop all the time - or is it just me, because I have a pee fetish (both kinda toilet related)? I wouldn't do it. Once you start, it doesn't stop. The guys try to conquer one personal border after another until they are done with you and ask a new girl. They leech you dry if you don't have limits. Of course they use money to do it, which is another big reason to not focus on the money..
So, now you know what I would do - decline.
However, if you really really want to poop for the guy, it's a bad idea to put up a censored clip and then send the rest through email, as that would be forbidden on c4s. Actually showing the pooping is also forbidden on c4s, so the girls who's gifs you saw, where the shit came out, they are taking a risk. You can poop, but not film the poop. You are allowed to just film yourself on the toilet with sounds and all, but no poop in the picture. There is the toilet fetish category for that.
A site where you can sell poop clips is yezzclips.com. I think they will also accept US producers. The payout % is shitty though (pun intended). So the best way is to just receive payment whichever way you can (using the c4s tribute for that is also forbidden. Paypal is a bad idea as well. But you might get away with it one time, if he doesn't comment on the purchase).
The thing is, you really really need to want to do that. In my opinion. Because otherwise, I don't see why you should serve the guy. There are tons of other stuff you could do with less problems. You can get all kinds of customs. You can decline and make a few nice clips for your studio instead.
I only take all the struggles with pee restrictions because I am into it and want to make clips with it. Otherwise I wouldn't do it.
If you have a poop fetish, it's difficult to sell your content. I only know yezzclips and one other site with a bitch as owner, so I won't mention nor recommend that.
Bootsie
01-28-2016, 10:08 PM
I got a custom request where the guy wants me to force him to look at dick pics on the internet. I do not have any penises hanging around to photograph for this purpose, how do you handle this with respect to including pictures in the video? Do you not put the pics in the vid, do you have an open call on twitter (omg)? I like to have all my ducks in a row, so without IDs and model releases I am not totally thrilled.
Classy_Katy
01-28-2016, 10:58 PM
Question about who's done the taboo/"illegal" fetishes - someone's expressed interest in watching me poop. Not touch it/eat it/whatever, just go. I see some girls have actual videos of the shit coming out (or at least their gifs show it), but I don't want to risk it.
Could I just have a padded out __ minute long video to sell, then send them the actual video through email? Is there a better way to do this?
It's a major breach of C4S rules to show poop. Some girls get their clips removed...some get their studio closed. It's also against the rules to advertise an unedited clip for delivery/sale off the site, that breaches the rules.
You would have to do the whole deal off C4S and use a file sharing site (that would probably prohibit that kind of content) and charge an absolute fortune for it (which he probably won't pay because these guys are very cheap), or sign up to one of those sites that do sell scat clips. These guys can be very demanding and manipulative, what something for nothing, and will push you to use paypal.
Classy_Katy
01-28-2016, 11:06 PM
I got a custom request where the guy wants me to force him to look at dick pics on the internet. I do not have any penises hanging around to photograph for this purpose, how do you handle this with respect to including pictures in the video? Do you not put the pics in the vid, do you have an open call on twitter (omg)? I like to have all my ducks in a row, so without IDs and model releases I am not totally thrilled.
Sounds like a lot of hassle! Does he want the dick pics to be in the clip or for you just to be telling him where to look? I would find that out first.
What is it with all these chargebacks lately?
This week alone I have had -$342.26 in chargebacks! Ufff
Tea4Me
01-29-2016, 10:33 AM
I got a custom request where the guy wants me to force him to look at dick pics on the internet. I do not have any penises hanging around to photograph for this purpose, how do you handle this with respect to including pictures in the video? Do you not put the pics in the vid, do you have an open call on twitter (omg)? I like to have all my ducks in a row, so without IDs and model releases I am not totally thrilled.
I've seen other girls do these clips before and I always assumed that they just took pictures off of various sites on the internet and used them, without permission I'm willing to bet...
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-29-2016, 06:53 PM
What is it with all these chargebacks lately?
This week alone I have had -$342.26 in chargebacks! Ufff
Luckily, I didn't have any this month. But they sure can get to you. Like your maths teacher, giving you 5 apples but taking away 4, just to see if you know how much you are left with :) Normally, it's not a common thing. I know that big payment companies handle 1% limits. So if you go above 1% chargebacks, something might be wrong. If that's the case, you need to investigate. For example, sometimes a clip is not uploaded correctly and broken. But these amounts point to a few bigger chargebacks where multiple clips are involved, so those should be the - sadly - usual credit card frauds.
it's a bad idea to put up a censored clip and then send the rest through email, as that would be forbidden on c4s
Could you tell me where that is in the rules? I figured poop was iffy, but I didn't know giving an unedited clip through video was also dangerous.
Sinna (2pee4you)
01-29-2016, 07:13 PM
Could you tell me where that is in the rules? I figured poop was iffy, but I didn't know giving an unedited clip through video was also dangerous.
Sure, it's the first rule:
"Intentionally Violating Rules - No content (clips, videos or images) can be sold on Clips4Sale that intentionally violates our stated Rules and Regulations (Ex. You can not knowingly sell a clip with our services the violates any of our rules and then provide a "full, uncut" version outside of Clips4Sale via email or other means, etc.). If you are found doing this your studio and/or master account (all studios) may be permanently closed and/or terminated."
here:
http://clips4sale.com/list/en/page/openastudio
SuperPookie
01-31-2016, 06:45 AM
I'm not sure if this is the right thread to ask this but a promoter tagged this site in one of the items he retweeted @AmateurPorn___ which says free streaming and downloading . They followed me so I checked my C4S store and almost every vid showed a hit...but no purchases. Should I be freaking out now? I tried to go to the site and see if my shit was there but my spyware freaked out the moment I clicked on it big time.
LazyCat
01-31-2016, 08:35 AM
Does anyone know if there is any difference between "JOI" and "JERK OFF INSTRUCTION" on c4s? They are both very active and seems completely redundant to me.
Sexyven
01-31-2016, 08:53 AM
Hi everyone!
LazyCat I think that is because customer search those kind of videos in both spelling ways so C4S tries to cover every kind of search, in fact I've seen another redundant categories.
But of course I'm not a C4S's official voice so maybe I'm wrong, just guessing.
Kisses.
justsometwat
01-31-2016, 12:39 PM
Hi everyone!
LazyCat I think that is because customer search those kind of videos in both spelling ways so C4S tries to cover every kind of search, in fact I've seen another redundant categories.
But of course I'm not a C4S's official voice so maybe I'm wrong, just guessing.
Kisses.
They also have cei and Cum eating instruction.
Femdom and female domination.
Youre probably right!
DonaDiabla
01-31-2016, 01:09 PM
Can you use the word "Bloody" in your clip title? I am just curious.:D