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Sinna (2pee4you)
01-31-2016, 04:56 PM
I'm not sure if this is the right thread to ask this but a promoter tagged this site in one of the items he retweeted @AmateurPorn___ which says free streaming and downloading . They followed me so I checked my C4S store and almost every vid showed a hit...but no purchases. Should I be freaking out now? I tried to go to the site and see if my shit was there but my spyware freaked out the moment I clicked on it big time.

I don't understand you 100% but there are a few sites that look they they copied c4s and sell our clips, which of course are not there. I have yet to understand the purpose of these sites and I know that c4s' lawyers are looking into at least 1 case of this.



Can you use the word "Bloody" in your clip title? I am just curious.:D

I wanted to start a list with these a LONG time ago, sadly I didn't and sadly c4s is not giving it to me. So the only way to check is just to use it in the title (or edit an old title and put it in or just edit an old description of a clip back in your store and add the word at the end, save, have a look at the clip and see if the word is there or if there is just a blank space) if it is forbidden, it will just be represented by a blank space. I actually often notice clip titles with double blank spaces that obviously miss words.

The funny thing is, they are not "gone". A search for them will show your clip, with the blank space. e.g. "watersports" is banned. There used to be a category for it, which you can still see when you go to the pee category. The first related category it shows is watersports, but clicking it will lead to an error page. It used to lead to the category watersports not too long ago, where there were a few clips and studios, but no new clips or studios could update there (as it was just not available in the list :P).

Now where am I going with this? Search for "watersports" - okay wait, I just did that and it shows clips. I am pretty sure that it used to be filtered :O Okay let's try a different word. If you use blood or bloody, you get results without the word. Like "tampon" which probably reads bloody tampon when uncensored and "and" which probably reads "blood and blood" or whatever.

I just notice that clicking those clips (containing censored words) won't load the pop-ups for me. However, they do load for any other clips - do you have the same? Maybe it's an error or a measure to make it more difficult to find forbidden content (= content probably not permitted on the site, since it already contains forbidden words)

Hm this post turned out to be a little bit of a mess. I guess the recent changes to convert the site into a responsive design have also lead to other changes I didn't notice yet. It just shows how checking around on c4s can be useful. I used to do it a lot, hence I know all kinds of things that others don't :P

DonaDiabla
01-31-2016, 05:24 PM
Actually, Sinna, I see the same thing as you do :)



I don't understand you 100% but there are a few sites that look they they copied c4s and sell our clips, which of course are not there. I have yet to understand the purpose of these sites and I know that c4s' lawyers are looking into at least 1 case of this.




I wanted to start a list with these a LONG time ago, sadly I didn't and sadly c4s is not giving it to me. So the only way to check is just to use it in the title (or edit an old title and put it in or just edit an old description of a clip back in your store and add the word at the end, save, have a look at the clip and see if the word is there or if there is just a blank space) if it is forbidden, it will just be represented by a blank space. I actually often notice clip titles with double blank spaces that obviously miss words.

The funny thing is, they are not "gone". A search for them will show your clip, with the blank space. e.g. "watersports" is banned. There used to be a category for it, which you can still see when you go to the pee category. The first related category it shows is watersports, but clicking it will lead to an error page. It used to lead to the category watersports not too long ago, where there were a few clips and studios, but no new clips or studios could update there (as it was just not available in the list :P).

Now where am I going with this? Search for "watersports" - okay wait, I just did that and it shows clips. I am pretty sure that it used to be filtered :O Okay let's try a different word. If you use blood or bloody, you get results without the word. Like "tampon" which probably reads bloody tampon when uncensored and "and" which probably reads "blood and blood" or whatever.

I just notice that clicking those clips (containing censored words) won't load the pop-ups for me. However, they do load for any other clips - do you have the same? Maybe it's an error or a measure to make it more difficult to find forbidden content (= content probably not permitted on the site, since it already contains forbidden words)

Hm this post turned out to be a little bit of a mess. I guess the recent changes to convert the site into a responsive design have also lead to other changes I didn't notice yet. It just shows how checking around on c4s can be useful. I used to do it a lot, hence I know all kinds of things that others don't :P

EllieGold
01-31-2016, 07:24 PM
This month wasn't my best, but it certainly was not my worst. I'm proud of the effort I put in this month. I have been convincing my husband to open a store. He's super reluctant. He's chubby but has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen on a male. He thinks that if hes not male model material, he cant sell anything. I am going to train him on some ideas for clips. I figure if I sell his videos in my store my fans might be a bit peeved, so perhaps just opening his own would be best. Has any guys had good luck selling videos on clips4sale?

Classy_Katy
01-31-2016, 10:53 PM
This month wasn't my best, but it certainly was not my worst. I'm proud of the effort I put in this month. I have been convincing my husband to open a store. He's super reluctant. He's chubby but has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen on a male. He thinks that if hes not male model material, he cant sell anything. I am going to train him on some ideas for clips. I figure if I sell his videos in my store my fans might be a bit peeved, so perhaps just opening his own would be best. Has any guys had good luck selling videos on clips4sale?

I make clips with my partner (when we get the chance) and have them in my main studio. He is greying, in his early 50s now and no male model but our clips sell well. I think some guys like to see a real couple and a normal looking guy like them.

Classy_Katy
01-31-2016, 11:16 PM
Does anyone know if there is any difference between "JOI" and "JERK OFF INSTRUCTION" on c4s? They are both very active and seems completely redundant to me.

They are the same...some fetishes have been split between more than one category because they are so busy. There are duplicate categories though for other fetishes that aren't busy at all...I think people have been suggesting new categories and had them added with no one checking the existing categories...in some cases it's absolutely ridiculous.

lustfulLadyLynette
02-01-2016, 02:10 AM
Well, my situation is a bit complicated. I still live at home so IDK how I'll be able to send the second form of ID (Will a bank statement work???).

Most of all I'm REALLY not comfortable sending out my address or bank statement to just any site! Of course they need ur ID and address for billing and verification but I might also have them deposit it to my bank account since I don't want my family to find the checks in the mail. (Unless I lie about where the checks are coming from but that's a last resort for me...Super nosy family. Plus, if the checks say the company name then that's even worse! How the hell are you going to explain what clips4sale is?!)

So, they basically will have ALL my info plus my account. Really it's not just MY info but my families as well.

Is it safe? Has any contributor on here been scammed or had there personal info outed or worse??? I live with a family that would never let me hear the end of it if they found out about camming/selling clips let alone getting them or myself in trouble for it and if I have to take legal action I'm ******!

(PS I can't do a rental mail box. The closes one to me is about 4 hours away...) Sorry if this makes me sound like a noob sex worker but I'm super scared of being outed. if anyone has info and advice I'd really appreciate it!

Classy_Katy
02-01-2016, 02:56 AM
I've never had a problem from sites having my personal information. You need to have a business email address though because the one you register will be made known to customers - would be handy if they said that on the page where you register. I think I used my bank statement for confirmation of address.

Cheques aren't marked with "Clips4sale"...you can make up your own excuse for where they come from. If you're in the States you can have it paid straight into your bank for $20.

lustfulLadyLynette
02-01-2016, 03:17 AM
OMG thank you!;D I feel much better knowing that it's a lot more discreet then some of the horror story sex work sites out there that have awful privacy policies. (Don't use discreet names for there company and billing info, don't have good enough security from hackers, etc.). Also, thank you for the heads up on the email. Sounds like as long as I make a professional email I should be set! :)

Sinna (2pee4you)
02-01-2016, 05:51 AM
Actually, Sinna, I see the same thing as you do :)

Okay, we found a bug :P


This month wasn't my best, but it certainly was not my worst. I'm proud of the effort I put in this month. I have been convincing my husband to open a store. He's super reluctant. He's chubby but has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen on a male. He thinks that if hes not male model material, he cant sell anything. I am going to train him on some ideas for clips. I figure if I sell his videos in my store my fans might be a bit peeved, so perhaps just opening his own would be best. Has any guys had good luck selling videos on clips4sale?

Check Hansis superchubs, they have top 50 clips all the time. There is also a store that I just recently noticed with a male feeder clip in the top 10 (clip has dropped to top 30 now) http://clips4sale.com/studio/100759/15040843/Fatboy-Gets-Bound-and-Messy-During-Dessert

So there is definitely demand for chubby males. If he has breast hair, he'll also qualify as a bear. And people love bears it seems. I see bear clips in the toplists all the time. Also consider doing trampling/crushing of tiny people dolls with the cam from the floor point of view. There was a top 10 clip with that not long ago, done by two guys.

So far the good options I know.. whether or not he wants to do that or take the (maybe?) humiliation, is something you two need to discuss thoroughly.


Well, my situation is a bit complicated. I still live at home so IDK how I'll be able to send the second form of ID (Will a bank statement work???).

Most of all I'm REALLY not comfortable sending out my address or bank statement to just any site! Of course they need ur ID and address for billing and verification but I might also have them deposit it to my bank account since I don't want my family to find the checks in the mail. (Unless I lie about where the checks are coming from but that's a last resort for me...Super nosy family. Plus, if the checks say the company name then that's even worse! How the hell are you going to explain what clips4sale is?!)

So, they basically will have ALL my info plus my account. Really it's not just MY info but my families as well.

Is it safe? Has any contributor on here been scammed or had there personal info outed or worse??? I live with a family that would never let me hear the end of it if they found out about camming/selling clips let alone getting them or myself in trouble for it and if I have to take legal action I'm ******!

(PS I can't do a rental mail box. The closes one to me is about 4 hours away...) Sorry if this makes me sound like a noob sex worker but I'm super scared of being outed. if anyone has info and advice I'd really appreciate it!

The check comes from INTERMARK MANAGEMENT INC. It's a big step to give your info to a site, I know that, but I never had a problem with that either. They have a huge reputation, thus their whole business to loose. So you can bet they do everything they can to keep the personal info of the producers save. Having said that, don't fill out any dmca forms, which you might want/need to (to have sites remove your illegally uploaded clips), in the course of your career (which is yet to start :)). The info you put in there will be sent to the violator. And they ask for all your personal info.


I've never had a problem from sites having my personal information. You need to have a business email address though because the one you register will be made known to customers - would be handy if they said that on the page where you register. I think I used my bank statement for confirmation of address.

Cheques aren't marked with "Clips4sale"...you can make up your own excuse for where they come from. If you're in the States you can have it paid straight into your bank for $20.

I agree about the business email, but it's not 100% true (in my opinion) that c4s just gives out your email address to the customers. If a customer buys something from you, they have the option to sign up for your email list. That option is checked by default though, so many sign up involuntarily. You can check that by clicking buy now on any clip right now. You'll see the the option "yes, add me to the stores mail list" is checked. Just remove the item from your cart again.

So, when you write an email to all your subscribers, they get an email from you. The address is your store number @ clips4sale.com. In my case [email protected] If they answer to that email, it will be forwarded to the email you gave them when you signed up for c4s. The customer still has no idea what that email is. But if you ANSWER the customers email from your account, that's when they get your email address. So strictly speaking, you are giving it to the customer yourself, but obviously you don't have a choice either, so I understand why one might feel c4s is giving your email to the customer.

When you use the feedback form on your store, which you can activate from your backend in "clip store" -> "store add ons" you can receive feedback anonymously. You can't answer to that feedback then.

TBK
02-01-2016, 10:15 AM
Luckily, I didn't have any this month. But they sure can get to you. Like your maths teacher, giving you 5 apples but taking away 4, just to see if you know how much you are left with :) Normally, it's not a common thing. I know that big payment companies handle 1% limits. So if you go above 1% chargebacks, something might be wrong. If that's the case, you need to investigate. For example, sometimes a clip is not uploaded correctly and broken. But these amounts point to a few bigger chargebacks where multiple clips are involved, so those should be the - sadly - usual credit card frauds.

Hi Sienna,
Sadly its been two big orders, so likely to be credit card fraud. However now I have just had another for 300$, who knew you could actually end up OWING clips4sale money, to say I am livid is an understatement. Surely I am not expected to absorb this massive loss in the last 30 days :(

EllieGold
02-01-2016, 10:24 AM
I am recording with my c920 and I played my videos back and my audio sounds so tinny. I can't seem to fix this issue. i am so bummed because i want my videos to come out great quality for sale...

lettysmoking
02-01-2016, 10:35 AM
First month (well first 10 days anyway) for me was great, I'm glad I started this whole C4S thing. Much, much better than expected! Let's see what happens in 30 days now ;D


I am recording with my c920 and I played my videos back and my audio sounds so tinny. I can't seem to fix this issue. i am so bummed because i want my videos to come out great quality for sale...

I gave you a pretty detailed answer about these things since you last mentionned a DSLR! It probably doesn't apply for a webcam though... Also for sound, Røde microphone are the way to go for cheap + good but again that's for DSLR you can probably get another kind of microphone if you want to keep it webcam only.


OMG thank you!;D I feel much better knowing that it's a lot more discreet then some of the horror story sex work sites out there that have awful privacy policies. (Don't use discreet names for there company and billing info, don't have good enough security from hackers, etc.). Also, thank you for the heads up on the email. Sounds like as long as I make a professional email I should be set! :)

I'm in the same situation as you (home), there's nothing to fear about hacks though c4s is a big clusterfuck of code I can tell just by looking at it - the payment doesn't happen on C4S. About privacy as Sinna said their reputation is at stakes so yeah again nothing to fear. We're talking about a professional company here :-)

Classy_Katy
02-01-2016, 10:39 AM
I am recording with my c920 and I played my videos back and my audio sounds so tinny. I can't seem to fix this issue. i am so bummed because i want my videos to come out great quality for sale...

I record with my c920 but I use a Blue Snowball HD mic...it makes a huge difference.

Sinna (2pee4you)
02-01-2016, 11:05 AM
Hi Sienna,
Sadly its been two big orders, so likely to be credit card fraud. However now I have just had another for 300$, who knew you could actually end up OWING clips4sale money, to say I am livid is an understatement. Surely I am not expected to absorb this massive loss in the last 30 days :(

I had an ironic situation. After answering to you that I luckily didn't have any chargebacks, I got -$120.. In my case it was a refund though, because the order looked suspicious. The downloads were not activated, so I didn't loose anything either.

Your chargebacks must have been for orders older than a few weeks then, otherwise you couldn't owe more than you earned, since c4s eats the chargeback fee.

I wonder what happens if you owe money at the end of the month? I mean what does c4s say about that? It's a shitty situation for you either way. I can understand that you are pissed off. I hope these are exceptions and this month will be better. Did you check online to see if your clips were made available? If you were the focus of a group stealing and sharing content, that would be pretty bad.

I must say I never heard of a case that massive. -$650 in one week, that's just cruel

Ellie, you might need to consider - even more so if your husband starts to film clips - buying a camcorder. I can recommend panasonic, which I have used for nearly all my clips. They don't record in mp4 though, but since I need to add a watermark I am converting the clip anyway, so I don't mind. You can get them from $250-$500. I think I paid about $400 for the one I bought first. Here is an example: http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-HC-V500M-Camcorder-Internal-Memory/dp/B0072B5COY

The model I have is not available anymore, but it's the HC-V707 46x zoom, 6.1 megapixels. The new ones have like 26 megapixels. I would make sure it has HD and video light. That tiny LED light saved my ass a million times. Of course it looks ugly compared to what letty suggests, but that definitely gives an amateur touch that customers don't mind having. I understand that smoking videos have different requirements though. You don't need wifi or fancy stuff, like editing and posting to youtube. Take one with an SD card and put it in an sd card reader or plug the cable into cam and computer to pull the files off the camera.

That's what I would do. You can use the camcorder to film your kids and stuff as well. I actually bought it for the pregnancy and birth at first. Just use two different sd cards for work and private and you never have a problem mixing things up accidentally. I just noticed that the one I linked has internal memory. Mine doesn't.

Tripods and extras are available for a low price.

I dropped mine a few times and it also got wet pretty often, it still works perfectly. Maybe I was lucky, but I can only recommend them from my experience.

DonaDiabla
02-01-2016, 12:09 PM
Actually, January was one of my best months on C4S and people have been buying many of my different clips. :) Last two weeks of the month were huge for me.

Fell-On Productions
02-01-2016, 08:57 PM
Hello,

I started over a year ago and have done rather well. We have received much support from everyone in the community. Sinna great articles on your site! I wish that article had been out when I started. I have a question in regards to 2257. Is there anyone on here that uses a third party custodian? If so, have they had a good experience?

SophiaSylvan
02-01-2016, 10:17 PM
Hey Fell-on Productions, just an FYI, I googled you because your studio sounded familiar and Google says your site may be hacked. Just wanted to give you a heads up in case you didn't know.

Fell-On Productions
02-02-2016, 10:16 AM
Hey Fell-on Productions, just an FYI, I googled you because your studio sounded familiar and Google says your site may be hacked. Just wanted to give you a heads up in case you didn't know.

Thank you Sophia! Looking into this. Not sure if the redirect from my domain to clips4sale is causing it or, if there is a legitimate problem.

SFHS
02-02-2016, 03:02 PM
Actually, January was one of my best months on C4S and people have been buying many of my different clips. :) Last two weeks of the month were huge for me.

Same for me, my best month yet.

TBK
02-02-2016, 04:50 PM
I had an ironic situation. After answering to you that I luckily didn't have any chargebacks, I got -$120.. In my case it was a refund though, because the order looked suspicious. The downloads were not activated, so I didn't loose anything either.

Your chargebacks must have been for orders older than a few weeks then, otherwise you couldn't owe more than you earned, since c4s eats the chargeback fee.

I wonder what happens if you owe money at the end of the month? I mean what does c4s say about that? It's a shitty situation for you either way. I can understand that you are pissed off. I hope these are exceptions and this month will be better. Did you check online to see if your clips were made available? If you were the focus of a group stealing and sharing content, that would be pretty bad.

Hey again,
After speaking to many support staff, Neil then onto Sara as the final amount of chargeback in 9 days was a whopping 888$, Im still in debt to C4S....
Apparently if I do not make it this month, they will just wait until I do. I suppose this doesnt happen all too often as no one I asked seemed to know.

Maybe this will help someone in the future...

going forward you can always question large purchases on your store and we encourage to studio owners to contact us when they see sales from any of the following:

Female Name (you can see the full name in your admin under SALES -> RUN REPORT -> DETAILED REPORT)

or

High Dollar Amount of Order (you would see this on your emailed sales receipts)

You can send a request to staff to verify the buyer for you, meaning you send us the sales order number and from there we look at the buying history of the customer and other factors to let you know if the sale is valid or one we need to proactively refund to avoid chargebacks. You can send a request to check any sales order you receive by creating a support ticket: http://support.clips4sale.com

Please let me know if you have any questions.

justsometwat
02-02-2016, 04:54 PM
What kind of videos do you sell and what categories were the chargeback videos in?

Tea4Me
02-02-2016, 06:03 PM
Maybe this will help someone in the future...

going forward you can always question large purchases on your store and we encourage to studio owners to contact us when they see sales from any of the following:

Female Name (you can see the full name in your admin under SALES -> RUN REPORT -> DETAILED REPORT)

or

High Dollar Amount of Order (you would see this on your emailed sales receipts)




Yup. I always do this. Anything over $100, and the person has never bought anything from me before, I always contact support and ask them if the customer has a (purchase) history with C4S. If they do, that gives me a bit of peace of mind, if they haven't...then I tell myself there *could* be a chance that will be a chargeback.

Sinna (2pee4you)
02-02-2016, 06:59 PM
Hey again,
After speaking to many support staff, Neil then onto Sara as the final amount of chargeback in 9 days was a whopping 888$, Im still in debt to C4S....



This is unbelievable. What a shitty month for you. Were these from recent purchases or from long ago? I would always choose the chargeback over a "preemptive refund". The chargeback could happen - the refund is certain. The chargeback and refund cost you the same, as c4s pays the chargeback fee. My refund was a precaution as well. Had I had the choice, I would have let it go through, but c4s decided against it (better said the policy did).

They can take the money that you earned, but they can never take more. I always look at it like I never had the money. Which is basically true.

You must make great clips if someone rips you off for $900, they must have really wanted your stuff. Let's hope the next guys are legit.




"Reminders!

• Clip file size greater than 1,572MB must have a duration greater than 29 minutes."

I knew that they had changed something. Just when I wanted to ask Sara about the new file sizes - seen as my filesize article could be useless now - they put it up on the add clips page. I am curious to see if that's the only restriction (aside from 2GB??) they have in place now.

evgirl
02-02-2016, 09:09 PM
Yep, JOI and jerk off instruction it's the same thing.
+ One more : masturbation instruction :)

MissJu
02-02-2016, 09:32 PM
I would not recommend panasonic's camcorder. colors are shitty,bad performance at low light too. panasonic camcorder made me look like i have brown skin color which im not. and teeth color were same as nutria's teeth. ugh bad memories.
But i love lumix gh3, gh4 ,gx8 but i dislike lenses from panasonic thought.
gh4 thought has a problem with a focus when filming a 4k.
gx8 has no prob pic are beautiful,vids too.

BigRose
02-03-2016, 02:38 AM
Hi ladies. I would also like to ask about chargebacks on C4S. For how long there can be a chargeback, I tried asking on C4S support but they answered they have to return it if the bank states it. I understand that but for how long? Can I have a chargeback on a clips that sold 12 months ago (I am a very new store owner but just for example). So if I decide to close my store today, and then 6 months later chargebacks arrive? Will they contact me via email and I will have to pay them? This is really quite a downer…

ruinator
02-03-2016, 05:47 AM
I believe they can do chargebacks up to 12 months, probably even longer depending on the credit card used. If you close the store and then get a chargeback, yeah I guess you'd owe them.

Sinna (2pee4you)
02-03-2016, 08:30 AM
Hi ladies. I would also like to ask about chargebacks on C4S. For how long there can be a chargeback, I tried asking on C4S support but they answered they have to return it if the bank states it. I understand that but for how long? Can I have a chargeback on a clips that sold 12 months ago (I am a very new store owner but just for example). So if I decide to close my store today, and then 6 months later chargebacks arrive? Will they contact me via email and I will have to pay them? This is really quite a downer…

I once received a chargeback for an order more than 2 years ago. I looked it up on the internet - normally there is a 6 month limit. I asked c4s about it, the answer is: they honor all chargebacks. All of them. No matter how old. But as I said before, don't worry about that. Most (99%++) of your orders won't be charged back. The customer got what he wanted and is happy. Normal customers don't charge back. It's mostly credit card fraud (which normally leads to a quick chargeback the same month) or wives finding cc statements and then the guy makes up a story and has to go through with it.

So, don't worry about your funds. Most of the money is "in the pocket"


Another word about filesize restrictions:

Edit: Emailed back and forth and it seems that the reminder had just been added without changing the system behind it. So I'll keep my clip length guide as it is, for now.

gril
02-04-2016, 05:42 AM
Hey girls. What do you think about reuploading old content to get featured on the front page again? I can't record new clips at the moment and I got this idea. Do you think that I'll lose customers because of that?

Sexyven
02-04-2016, 05:42 AM
Hi everyone.

OMG that is SO SAD, we started to work in C4S on June and we've two chargebacks since then but the first was for $50 and when we barely a couple of month!!! I was TOTALLY CRYING because maybe some of you know we started to work in this industry because our extreme poverty and you can imagine how much affected we was.

My toughts are with you and I hope you can get over this truly strong bad moment, I couldn't imagine that happening to us, all our best wishes to you friend :(

Have you seen if there are some common clips on those chargebacks? Did have the chargeback clients bought to you before? Those buyings were near on a period of time? It makes me sick your situation :(

Maybe if it was some clip problems the solution is in your hands but if it was piracy or something then it's a really shame, maybe some big producers can hold those hits but there is no doubt piracy is a cancer for our work and even worst for little producers like in my case.

One question; what's the difference between chargebacks and refunds?

Kisses.

Sexyven
02-04-2016, 05:51 AM
Hey girls. What do you think about reuploading old content to get featured on the front page again? I can't record new clips at the moment and I got this idea. Do you think that I'll lose customers because of that?

Hi, we made this mistake a few month ago and I don't reccomend it! First by C4S configuration those clips certainly can be seen in the front page but it doesn't (it didn't at the time we reuploaded) in their categories page, that kills the traffic to your store and the customers doesn't like that and you will have the contrary effect you want because instead of win new customers you can lose some customer you already have.

If you see carefully you will find several stores uploading the same clips again and again but if you see MORE carefully you will see those stores (at least almost all of them) strugling for beeing in the top 50 ranking even in the category they belong.

Attention I speak just based on our experience, maybe you can be luckier but here we learnt our lesson and we didn't make that again.

Kisses.

BigRose
02-04-2016, 07:54 AM
Thank you Ruinator and Sinna for your answers! Have a great day!

Tea4Me
02-04-2016, 10:31 AM
Hey girls. What do you think about reuploading old content to get featured on the front page again? I can't record new clips at the moment and I got this idea. Do you think that I'll lose customers because of that?

I'm not sure I'm following you... Do you mean that you'd take an old clip from your store, remove it and then reupload it? To bring it to the first page of your store?

I've don't this before with clips I had in a previous clips store. I reuploaded them to My current store and what happened is that it did NOT show up on the front page (under updated clips) and it did NOT show up in the category I put it in. I contacted C4S about it and they told me that since the clip was already uploaded once before to clips4sale (even though it was years ago, it didn't matter), it does not show up as 'new' anywhere. So, it's almost like *not* updating your store, in a way, because you don't get the traffic from being visible on the main and category pages.

Sexyven
02-04-2016, 01:10 PM
Hi everyone.

It's just me or february is going VERY SLOW :( ? We finish january very good but exactly since february 1st sales are barely happening one here and another there! I know is very early this month but I'm a little worried because sales are very very low for us altough we are in the same place in the top ranking in our main category, is this a signal of sales going low in general on C4S?

Kisses.

SweetieBitch
02-04-2016, 03:32 PM
(I went back a couple of pages and didn't see this mentioned, so my apologies if it was already discussed)

Has anyone received their 1099s yet? Or know when they'll be sent out? I got mine from Streamate the other day, now I'm just waiting on C4S.

Tea4Me
02-04-2016, 05:33 PM
(I went back a couple of pages and didn't see this mentioned, so my apologies if it was already discussed)

Has anyone received their 1099s yet? Or know when they'll be sent out? I got mine from Streamate the other day, now I'm just waiting on C4S.

Yes! Received it today.

justsometwat
02-04-2016, 05:47 PM
I just got mine today as well.

Kayden
02-04-2016, 07:03 PM
It's just me or february is going VERY SLOW :( ?

Same here. This is not relevant per se but I am in a (pretty complicated) studio setup that pays me weekly (for a fee) if I reach $50.

At this rate it looks like I might not be making payout, I think, for the first time since I came back in fall, after my summer hiatus. And I have had my queue loaded up for every day this far in February, save for one day, I think.

(Sorry, if the "weekly payout" thing sounds confusing, it's just the way I "gauge" my sales).

TL; DR February has been bad.

My January was decent but nothing spectacular either, I think I closed at around $550 for 5 unique updates (not counting file versions).

Kayden
02-04-2016, 07:35 PM
One question; what's the difference between chargebacks and refunds?

Based on an earlier post by Sinna (I think?) the difference is

refund = he didn't have a chance to download your clip (for example if fraud detection was triggered)
chargeback = he got your clip AND you were not paid for it.

This is my understanding, I might be wrong.

This would make me happy because back in around May I was subject to a pretty big stealing attack – $300+ "sales" in one day and I thought that that scumbag actually got all of those videos (probably for reselling or populating some shitty tubesite or what have you.)

But now I looked at some past stats and saw that most of my negative entries are refunds not chargebacks (he was using like a dozen different credit cards, many with female names), so I hope that "refund = he didn't get the video" is true. In that case props to C4S fraud detection.

gril
02-05-2016, 03:00 AM
I'm not sure I'm following you... Do you mean that you'd take an old clip from your store, remove it and then reupload it? To bring it to the first page of your store?

I've don't this before with clips I had in a previous clips store. I reuploaded them to My current store and what happened is that it did NOT show up on the front page (under updated clips) and it did NOT show up in the category I put it in. I contacted C4S about it and they told me that since the clip was already uploaded once before to clips4sale (even though it was years ago, it didn't matter), it does not show up as 'new' anywhere. So, it's almost like *not* updating your store, in a way, because you don't get the traffic from being visible on the main and category pages.

There is a way to make them appear on the front page.

Sexyven
02-05-2016, 05:11 AM
There is a way to make them appear on the front page.

Yes my friend, but the clips don't appear in their category page and the most important thing is your usual customers doesn't like to see you have something "new" and when they go to your page they see a reupload of old stuff, you even can see how your "bookmark" traffic goes down every day you make that.

Believe me we made that before and I'm sure we weren't the first ones making that, and at least for us were more the contras than the pros.

Repeat, you can see many stores "flooding" the front page and even I've seen stores that somehow their clips appear in the category page but you can see as well almost all of them don't make the top 50 ranking in those categories, that's the better prove that doesn't work.

Our first store has several month without uploading and still it sales more than when we made that "trick".

But you can try if you want, maybe you get lucky and it works for you, I'm just talking about our experience.


Kisses.

Bootsie
02-05-2016, 09:09 AM
In order to make your video post on the category pages it has to be a different file. So if you take it down, change it (maybe edit out a few frames, make new credits, add or remove the title card), render it and upload it, it will be a new file and you will show in the categories as usual. I have done this before when I realized I posted a great clip in the wrong category, or a clip that should have sold but somehow got overlooked. A lot of effort just to re-post everything though, perhaps effort that would be better put into filming new stuff.

Tea4Me
02-05-2016, 09:17 AM
There is a way to make them appear on the front page.

Since you didn't care to expand on that, I'll assume that it would have something to do with changing the original file in some way so it's not recognized by C4S's system.

Sinna (2pee4you)
02-05-2016, 01:53 PM
Based on an earlier post by Sinna (I think?) the difference is

refund = he didn't have a chance to download your clip (for example if fraud detection was triggered)
chargeback = he got your clip AND you were not paid for it.



Not quite. A chargeback is when the credit card owner tells his bank that there was a transaction they didn't authorize and the bank goes like "are you sure?" and the guy is "yeah I am sure" (imagine legally binding documents being exchanged) so the bank goes "alright then" and asks the beneficiary - in this case clips4sale - to give the funds back. And the credit card company then goes "c4s, you took money you were not supposed to? Bad c4s, here, have a chargeback fine" then c4s goes "well, not our fault, but okay. We pay the fine, but that money ultimately went to XY for 60%, so we are going to take that back as well". Then you see a chargeback and the money is taken back from your account. The customer gets banned for life if they issue a chargback, because c4s says "might not have been your fault, was not our fault, but we sure as hell won't let it happen again"

A refund is a different thing. Refund fees are much lower to start with and sometimes, as I explained, downloads get locked when there is suspicious behavior and a preemptive refund might be issued - just to be faster than the bank with a chargeback, to evade the higher fee. Refunds go faster and come from c4s, initiated by the customer or c4s. Bank not involved.

A refund for a clip can be given, just as a refund in real life would be given to you: e.g. you bought a product, but it's damaged. You go to the shop and get a refund. Another example: you buy a robot, go home, open the packaging and it turns out to be a mix for pancakes. You are like wtf?! (misleading product description). You go to the store, and they give you your money back. There are some other reasons for a refund, like a customer accidentally pressing the purchase button twice and gettig billed twice for the same clip. Usually, one of these is getting refunded pretty fast. Sometimes customers leave old clips in the cart (sometimes doesn't clear out) and then want another of your clips. They go to purchase that but don't realize that the older clip they bought is still in the cart. So they buy it again -> refund.

Note that c4s has a no refund policy. So they don't have to refund. However, customer satisfaction is of course very important, so they play nice. It's in our interest. Basically, they do everything to keep the fee costs low and customers satisfied, but they will also protect us. When a customer wants to have an old download re-enabled because the hard drive crashed, c4s has no problem saying "no, sorry. You have to buy it again" Which I think is a good thing as well.



Since you didn't care to expand on that, I'll assume that it would have something to do with changing the original file in some way so it's not recognized by C4S's system.

It's easy to repost a clip and have the c4s system recognize it as new. I sometimes NEED to do it, because I make a mistake. When I have a long list of clips uploaded that I want to schedule for a few days, because I will be away from home, I sometimes write the description, title, keywords, fill in all the info, hit add clip and then realize that I chose the wrong file from the dropdown. It's too late to turn back, so what I do is go to the clip, hit new clip, leave that window open. Change the title, then choose the right clip from the dropdown. Go to list clips, cancel the wrong clip. Then add the new clip. Since I changed the title and the file is a different one, this will work and also show as a new update. Now when I write the description, title and everything for the other clip, that I accidentally used before, I would need to change the filename in order to have it show as a new update. The filename is the important thing, although duplicate titles won't be accepted by the server either.

So in order to have the update go down as fresh, change the filename and the title or change the filename, delete the old file with the title and add it with the same title again. The server won't remember titles, just filenames.

Having said all that, this is the only reason why I use that -> when I accidentally added the wrong file to a clip. That is also the reason why I tell you about it. Personally, I strongly advise not to do that on purpose to get fresh updates when you don't have new clips. For one, sexyven is right, customers hate that (and who wouldn't). Another reason is that your competition hates it and might report you for it. I don't think c4s likes it and yes, they can look into what you did and remove your repost.

A better idea in your situation is to make compilations of scenes from old clips. Those absolutely add something fresh and new to your store, although they are made up of old clips. You can even post which clips you used in them, in case customers want to buy the whole clip. That can work as advertisement for your full clips.

Tea4Me
02-05-2016, 04:12 PM
Then you see a chargeback and the money is taken back from your account. The customer gets banned for life if they issue a chargback, because c4s says "might not have been your fault, was not our fault, but we sure as hell won't let it happen again"

I also wanted to add something I've come across before. And I can't remember if it was a chargeback or refund, but I have had customers who have been blocked, but PAID C4S the exact dollar amount of the CB/refund (which the money was passed on to me) and the customer was again able to buy my videos again. I've had that on a couple of occasions because I take notes of who has done a chargeback/refund to make sure they don't buy from me again.


Having said all that, this is the only reason why I use that -> when I accidentally added the wrong file to a clip. That is also the reason why I tell you about it. Personally, I strongly advise not to do that on purpose to get fresh updates when you don't have new clips. For one, sexyven is right, customers hate that (and who wouldn't). Another reason is that your competition hates it and might report you for it. I don't think c4s likes it and yes, they can look into what you did and remove your repost.

I'm not really sure if this part of your reply was directed at me or if you were just saying it in general. So I just want to clarify that I never asked how to make reposted updates appear. Of course I'm sure there is a way to do it, as there is a way around everything in life, but I have no interest in trying to 'cheat' C4S's rules. My reposts, aren't really reposts. They are clips from an old clip store I had years ago and I'm just adding them to my current store. (Yes, C4S still considers them reposts anyway and I understand that.) I am not taking old content from my current store and deleting it and reposting just to try and get traffic.

Tea4Me
02-05-2016, 04:44 PM
A crystal ball for future sales?

Well, not totally, but a great tool for motivation and sales potential!

A couple of weeks ago, I sat down and made up a little chart of my sales from over the years of doing C4S. Down the left side of the sheet I wrote all the months (Jan, Feb, etc) and across the top I wrote the years I’ve been doing C4S (I would suggest no more than the past 4, unless you write really tiny). Then I went back and wrote down my monthly sales for Jan 2013, Feb 2013, and for each month that year. I did the same thing for the other 3 years. Then I went back and wrote how many updates I did each month under the sales total for each month. When I was finished, I could clearly see how my sales have grown over the years, the impact of updates and months I *wish* I would have updated more. For example, last month (Jan), I did 6 updates more than I did in Jan 2015 and I ended up making 1k more than Jan 2015. I really encourage you to write one of these up for your sales/updates for the past years. It’s a great way to see how you’ve grown and give yourself goals to beat!

Sinna (2pee4you)
02-05-2016, 05:51 PM
I'm not really sure if this part of your reply was directed at me

no, it was directed at gril. And it was not meant as an offense in any way to anybody, just my opinion.

DonaDiabla
02-05-2016, 07:24 PM
Is anyone making any Valentine's Day content :) I will over this weekend and I would love to see how it goes.

sexysusie
02-06-2016, 06:41 PM
I feel really silly asking this but how can i set a clip to render into different formats automatically i.e hd mp4, hd wmv, sd mp4, sd wmv. Currently ive gone back to windows live movie maker and am saving file as each type and doing it one vy one which is taking forever. As of bext week i'll have my super duper new laptop (windows) and have adobe creative cloud, now i just need the best way of doing this.

MissAdriana
02-06-2016, 08:07 PM
I feel really silly asking this but how can i set a clip to render into different formats automatically i.e hd mp4, hd wmv, sd mp4, sd wmv.

Not sure how to do it automatically but I use this http://www.freemake.com/free_video_converter/
Converting always runs way faster for me than rendering in an editing program if I do a 20 min video it takes like 6 hours so I always have something rendering overnight lol need another comp