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Classy_Katy
05-05-2016, 10:26 PM
My clip uploading resolved itself...I ended up with 3 uploads of the one that seemed not to be loading!

The first clip I sold was a smoking clip...and I don't actually smoke! That clip has something about it but I haven't made that much from the few smoking clips I've made. If I don't find something fun to film, I don't film it.

LazyCat
05-07-2016, 05:53 AM
Hey Letty - If its such a successful category, why did you close your store? Great work BTW.

justsometwat
05-07-2016, 10:59 AM
Hey Letty - If its such a successful category, why did you close your store? Great work BTW.

I was curious about this as well, I went looking at the smoking category and couldn't find her but found her twitter saying she closed it. If I was making 3-4,000$ a month I would keep my store open and make bank!

lettysmoking
05-07-2016, 11:29 AM
Hey Letty - If its such a successful category, why did you close your store? Great work BTW.

Thanks!
Bf and I just decided to go "career first" and so we don't have time for this anymore to keep it short. :-)
It was always for fun and for the fans/community anyway, money was never really our concern we were like "let's do this so we can buy cigars, sextoys and accessories for sex" and it kinda blew up.
Hopefully this answers your question ;D


I was curious about this as well, I went looking at the smoking category and couldn't find her but found her twitter saying she closed it. If I was making 3-4,000$ a month I would keep my store open and make bank!

4k/month's A LOT of money sure, especially for 2 teenagers. I can see why you're skeptical about it, but is 4k/month (split by 2) really doing bank ? :p


@Every girls saying smoking fetishist are the biggest pirates on c4s, here's how you handle "piracy" on these "forums full of creeps and pirate" as it's been described to before on here or through private messages warning me about it. Be part of this community, don't be a "bitch" and you'll come to realize one thing with every kinky community if you're into "the life" irl/on the net: people are very friendly and respecting of you and your work. This got me thinking, I had some dudes from the forum I linked earlier warning me about one of my video reposted to motherless and link it to me, how awesome is that ?

Now sure there's always this one weird russian website with mega.co or w/e is the popular megauploader right now uploading your videos, but are these people your customers ? No they're not, they're either broke, not willing to pay for porn ever, trying to see you at least once before spending on you etc... So why do you care ?
Also put out free content every once in a while and not a throwaway video gone wrong, an actual piece of work like what you're selling. ;)

justsometwat
05-07-2016, 01:31 PM
One of the people on that forum that you linked was a customer and he did buy my videos, then he turned around and was buying them from my sites and sharing the ones he didn't have with people that also bought videos. He was a paying customer and made other customers have easier access to videos that they likely would have bought.

You might have been able to "reason" with one or two people there but they absolutely will buy your videos and post them anyway. They do not give a shit about you and they do not have to respect you. You're also making a HUGE mistake with accepting PayPal. They will have access to your information and be able to refund the money they sent you AND PP will take your money and ban you.

For what you say is such little work $4,000 split between you too is a hell of a lot of money. Why would you close your store when you could spend a few minutes a week making these videos AND have a full time job? A lot of people would be envious of making $2,000 on one of their sites.

I'll be honest, I don't believe that you made that much with such little effort and I don't appreciate the cockiness of how you are telling us to respond to pirate sites. I have never approached any sites as a "bitch" as you put it and they rub it in my face when I ask for the videos to be removed. Some of them respond in the nastiest ways because they think they are entitled to sharing your videos because they bought them.

These people don't care about you. They just want your videos for free and they will share them any given chance. They would not be on a pirate forum if they were super stoked about paying for videos. I have seen my videos posted countless times and the comments were in my favor about how "awesome" I am and how much they love my content, but when approached they don't bother buying any of my content. Why would they? They just got some of it for free!

Why should I care about my videos being on pirate sites? Because they are my videos and no one has the right to put them on sites that I am not allowing and they shouldn't be allowed to make money off my content. Piracy spreads like wildfire and eventually when people go looking for my content they find free videos rather than paid content. What do you think they will go for first?

Bootsie
05-07-2016, 03:32 PM
Thanks!
Bf and I just decided to go "career first" and so we don't have time for this anymore to keep it short. :-)
It was always for fun and for the fans/community anyway, money was never really our concern we were like "let's do this so we can buy cigars, sextoys and accessories for sex" and it kinda blew up.
Hopefully this answers your question ;D



4k/month's A LOT of money sure, especially for 2 teenagers. I can see why you're skeptical about it, but is 4k/month (split by 2) really doing bank ? :p


@Every girls saying smoking fetishist are the biggest pirates on c4s, http://smokingfetishkingdom.com/showthread.php/218048-Girl-cigar-dangle-in-car here's how you handle "piracy" on these "forums full of creeps and pirate" as it's been described to before on here or through private messages warning me about it. Be part of this community, don't be a "bitch" and you'll come to realize one thing with every kinky community if you're into "the life" irl/on the net: people are very friendly and respecting of you and your work. This got me thinking, I had some dudes from the forum I linked earlier warning me about one of my video reposted to motherless and link it to me, how awesome is that ?

Now sure there's always this one weird russian website with mega.co or w/e is the popular megauploader right now uploading your videos, but are these people your customers ? No they're not, they're either broke, not willing to pay for porn ever, trying to see you at least once before spending on you etc... So why do you care ?
Also put out free content every once in a while and not a throwaway video gone wrong, an actual piece of work like what you're selling. ;)

Congrats on making money and going "career first". Now please go haunt your chosen career's forums instead of this one, because we're really not interested in you. K THX BAI!

EllieGold
05-07-2016, 04:11 PM
This is appalling. I've been on Clips4Sale just about 3 years now. I'm super stoked if I can reach 1k a month there & it's 2016! So by that accord, I'd say yes 2,000 each is a lot of money for the work put in. Just because you've had success at Clips4Sale is such a short period doesn't make you an expert. Heck, I'm no expert either! I see you did it for more of a hobby that was short lived. Maybe you're not meaning to come off like you are and we're just misunderstanding the tone? (In all honesty, seriously).

When I preach to girls on here, sometimes they won't understand my store. It's probably because each of us have our own categories and fan base. Some of the same rules just won't apply. What works for one won't work for another. Some stores I see on here struggle get 1k a month but some can easily rake in $3K+.

Tea4Me
05-07-2016, 10:29 PM
Girls it's been a while, I see you struggle with not-so-fun fetishes and uploading 5+ times a week. There's so much money to be done in the smoking category I don't know why you're all doing weird shit with your throat, nose and whatnot.
Both categories are terrible right now and by uploading AT MOST 3 clips a week you can do at least 3k/month and the only requirement is being a smoker, bonus if you've a dick available to make BG videos and double bonus if you can smoke a cigar without being too silly about it.
Right now there's a spotlight to take and it's yours if you're willing to put in the work, and this spotlight is worth a bit more than 4k$/month. Go girls! ;)

A person can make 3/4+ k a month on C4S without 1-doing 'weird shit' (as you put it) 2-without updating several times a day (or even every day) and 3-without doing smoking clips.

Just saying....

Tea4Me
05-07-2016, 10:42 PM
Be part of this community, don't be a "bitch" and you'll come to realize one thing with every kinky community if you're into "the life" irl/on the net: people are very friendly and respecting of you and your work. This got me thinking, I had some dudes from the forum I linked earlier warning me about one of my video reposted to motherless and link it to me, how awesome is that ?

Uh.....you sound like one of the guys who pirate stuff. No clip producer is being a 'bitch' because they don't want to kiss ass with guys who want shit for free. Don't assume that a person doesn't enjoy a certain fetish just because they aren't willing to put time into something that will likely not be worth their effort $$$. I've said this before and I'll say it again....if guys want your clips, they will BUY them. Period. You don't have to join forums and try and become buddy-buddy with them in hopes they will buy something. If they like you're stuff--they will just BUY it.

As for guys who report your stuff on sites....um, WHY do you think they are there in the FIRST place? Because THEY TOO are looking for your free clips. But they want to come across like they are being 'nice' and doing you a 'favor' by alerting you about them.

DonaDiabla
05-07-2016, 10:48 PM
Tea4Me,
I love your post :) Yeah, I did not understand the whole join forums to become buddies for sales. I understand reach more clients on forums but not becoming buddies than making sales :)


Uh.....you sound like one of the guys who pirate stuff. No clip producer is being a 'bitch' because they don't want to kiss ass with guys who want shit for free. Don't assume that a person doesn't enjoy a certain fetish just because they aren't willing to put time into something that will likely not be worth their effort $$$. I've said this before and I'll say it again....if guys want your clips, they will BUY them. Period. You don't have to join forums and try and become buddy-buddy with them in hopes they will buy something. If they like you're stuff--they will just BUY it.

As for guys who report your stuff on sites....um, WHY do you think they are there in the FIRST place? Because THEY TOO are looking for your free clips. But they want to come across like they are being 'nice' and doing you a 'favor' by alerting you about them.

justsometwat
05-07-2016, 10:58 PM
I looked at her posts on that forum and saw that she was asking for other people's videos when the links were broken for videos they had pirated. I don't think she actually cares about pirated content especially if she's willing to ask for content from other women.

MissJu
05-08-2016, 06:41 AM
Ok, people lets just chill. If she made 4 k this month does not mean she will make the same amount next month. If she would say i made 100k a year with smoking vids, ok. But 1 month, phew. I updated last month only 8 vids in them i dont smoke, and dont even fuck i made 2000 $. I do not fuck or smoke in my vids i update only 8-10 vids per month and i'm making same amount every month for years.

I have seen studios which have over 500 vids all good quality stuff, everything pirated and uploaded....aha dont be bitchy be generous LOL.
I cant afford channel or Hermes bag,;) but i dont steal it.

lettysmoking
05-08-2016, 10:04 AM
Well I kinda expected my post to blew up in my face! ;D



I'll be honest, I don't believe that you made that much with such little effort and I don't appreciate the cockiness of how you are telling us to respond to pirate sites. I have never approached any sites as a "bitch" as you put it and they rub it in my face when I ask for the videos to be removed. Some of them respond in the nastiest ways because they think they are entitled to sharing your videos because they bought them.


store ran from 14 jan to 14 feb~ (EDIT: just checked, 21 jan to 8 february are the actual date I started uploading and stopped uploading) instead of 7jan to 7feb that's why it's split. See, maybe I'm not full of shit ? Maybe I'm geniunely trying to give you tips on what works great ? Leave the tone out and start reading the message instead of being offended by little things, peace.

So yeah you're salty and the way you look at customers is digusting to me so I won't bother with the whole "they don't respect you they're weird nasty creeps". You and I had very different results with the exact same community so I'm not gonna try and change your mind, you experienced what you experienced and that's sad but not really, you kinda deserve it when I see the way you look at it.

Also what the fuck since when is SFK a pirate forum, do you even bother with your customers ? Like do you even try to know your audience ? It's a forum where people mostly post instagram images, magazines images, some c4s preview rip or screenshots, maybe a rip from xhamster here and there... whatever really. See the hot shit right before I stepped in was "Leia" and another girl I can't remember her name in the smoking category, good luck finding her full video on these website. There's maybe one full video somewhere, and the only thing she has to do if she wants it removed is to ask nicely to the admins of the website. Like they're fighting piracy on their own fucking forum regarding people who post

I'm cocky because I can, I'm 20 and I broke two categories by doing exactly what I do in the bedroom for shit n giggles while you struggle and complain all day long about having bad days/months on the internet. About Paypal, I made 5k or so since I started taking requests - before I had to open a C4S because I couldn't sustain the requests - and I've never had a problem with it except when they had to up the 2k5 limit, the first transaction is one year old now.


As for guys who report your stuff on sites....um, WHY do you think they are there in the FIRST place? Because THEY TOO are looking for your free clips. But they want to come across like they are being 'nice' and doing you a 'favor' by alerting you about them.

Huh yeah, they type "smoking fetish" on any porn website and masturbate. What's the big deal ? And if they happen to find one of my video, which is probably titled "654QT4" with no fucking "letty smoking" tag like every fucking obscure videos on motherless in an obscure smoking fetish group and tell me about it then it's great, we'll even have a little chat and I'll make his day.


Tea4Me,
I love your post :) Yeah, I did not understand the whole join forums to become buddies for sales. I understand reach more clients on forums but not becoming buddies than making sales :)

Well the main reason I joined in the first place was to be "buddy" as you put it, but that was like a years before I even post content of myself (shit I wasn't 18 in 2012, that would've been illegal pics and clips lol). I know it's gonna sound weird for you, but it's my sexuality you know ? Then I posted pics of myself, then videos, then a few months after I started making money off it.


I looked at her posts on that forum and saw that she was asking for other people's videos when the links were broken for videos they had pirated. I don't think she actually cares about pirated content especially if she's willing to ask for content from other women.

Yeah you're totally right, as said previously when these posts happened I wasn't the customers audience, I was the broke student audience. No shame in that, maybe that's one of the reasons I'm not being too bitchy about pirates ?


This is appalling. I've been on Clips4Sale just about 3 years now. I'm super stoked if I can reach 1k a month there & it's 2016! So by that accord, I'd say yes 2,000 each is a lot of money for the work put in. Just because you've had success at Clips4Sale is such a short period doesn't make you an expert. Heck, I'm no expert either! I see you did it for more of a hobby that was short lived. Maybe you're not meaning to come off like you are and we're just misunderstanding the tone? (In all honesty, seriously).

When I preach to girls on here, sometimes they won't understand my store. It's probably because each of us have our own categories and fan base. Some of the same rules just won't apply. What works for one won't work for another. Some stores I see on here struggle get 1k a month but some can easily rake in $3K+.

Thanks for being more understanding and trying to see it from a different angle.
I'm not expert for sure, I just know I would've keep going minimum 3k/months because I posted original content, I'm a fetishist I'm not a cam girl/model who's gonna smoke in front of a camera for quick bucks and people can see it, which is why actual companies and pro studio were blown the fuck out once I stepped in and did what I did. As far as the tone goes, yeah I guess I'm cocky as sometwat said, but the point still stands.


Ok, people lets just chill. I do not fuck or smoke in my vids i update only 8-10 vids per month and i'm making same amount every month for years.


Yeah that was just me giving advice on girls struggling to make money to start learning about the smoking fetish. ;)

MissJu
05-08-2016, 10:30 AM
Letty, you say "Yeah that was just me giving advice on girls struggling to make money to start learning about the smoking fetish". but at the same time you kinda shamming other ppl fetishes "I don't know why you're all doing weird shit with your throat". You got disgusted by how we treat customer like creeps. :mischievo:magnify: Not all people here are doing weird shit with our throat.

Smoking is not environment friendly, birds and fishes chocking on cigarettes buds. Oceans are polluted with plastic and hellooo cigarettes buds. I'm not gonna contribute to that with my health,money,and future of my planet.

drearea
05-08-2016, 10:37 AM
Some men like a smoking girl. Others like a girl who thinks he aint shit and says so. A small amount of experience in this infustry will help miss Letty understand these things.

lettysmoking
05-08-2016, 11:21 AM
Letty, you say "Yeah that was just me giving advice on girls struggling to make money to start learning about the smoking fetish". but at the same time you kinda shamming other ppl fetishes "I don't know why you're all doing weird shit with your throat". You got disgusted by how we treat customer like creeps. :mischievo:magnify: Not all people here are doing weird shit with our throat.


About the "weird shit", I said this because I saw a girl in previous page mentionning some very alternate kind of videos to try and make money. I'm not saying YOU are doing it and if you were let's be real; Obviously you're not turned on by putting fingers in your throat and burping and showing your teeth off and it's obviously not a fun thing to do, well in my opinion. No fetish shaming in that!

ericachronic
05-08-2016, 11:57 AM
Also what the fuck since when is SFK a pirate forum, do you even bother with your customers ? Like do you even try to know your audience ? It's a forum where people mostly post instagram images, magazines images, some c4s preview rip or screenshots, maybe a rip from xhamster here and there... whatever really. See the hot shit right before I stepped in was "Leia" and another girl I can't remember her name in the smoking category, good luck finding her full video on these website. There's maybe one full video somewhere, and the only thing she has to do if she wants it removed is to ask nicely to the admins of the website. Like they're fighting piracy on their own fucking forum regarding people who post

It started being a hybrid pirate forum when members started to upload clips from c4s and several other paid sites on the site for free. It got so bad southern charms sent them a cease and desist.

I know of 1 guy who pirated clips from about 30 or so C4S stores. Eventually several girls compared there sales records and got C4S to ban his ass. Now he buys clips on kinkbomb, extralunchmoney, ect and continues to do the same thing and they treat him like a rockstar on the forum.

This was just 1 member on that site out of hundreds that do the same thing. I didn't mind my previews being posted on the site, but when they started uploading the clips themselves I took offense.

Members on the site claim they are doing it to get the girls sales or generate traffic. Then why not message the person you are posting the video from and invite them to the forum?

Out of every thing I have had pirated my smoking clips were pirated the most and almost all were on that forum. I don't mind them sharing preview clips and stuff and I have no problem with the community, just didn't like having my premium stuff posted there for free.

I will say this though, the owners reacted in a timely manner at removing my premium content quickly which is a plus.

RedMeg
05-08-2016, 12:57 PM
Grrrr... my fetishes are fetishes, too. I enjoy making the clips I make, even the "gross" ones. I've even discovered I liked doing something whilst doing it for the first time ever on camera.

There's no one correct fetish. There's no one perfect clip.

We are not interchangeable.

YMMV is the ultimate caveat to any business advice.

boyru
05-08-2016, 02:49 PM
$2000 in one month? crazy money!!!

i have un-edited 6500 minutes of exclusive hot videos, but dont think i can earn over $1000/month

DonaDiabla
05-08-2016, 04:44 PM
Actually,lettysmoking, personally, I am happy for you making as much as you did as a newbie.I just thought it was strange to become buddies on forums for sales. That is all. So, do not try to say that I am talking about your sexuality because I am not. I am purely about making money in this industry..so we just have different mindsets when it comes to this industry :) Plus, I never really struggled with c4s but after Sinna gave me some advice and then more money just role in. I am purely about making money in this industry..so we just have different mindsets when it comes to this industry :)





Well I kinda expected my post to blew up in my face! ;D



http://puu.sh/oKDOP/6cd0ffbf78.png store ran from 14 jan to 14 feb~ (EDIT: just checked, 21 jan to 8 february are the actual date I started uploading and stopped uploading) instead of 7jan to 7feb that's why it's split. See, maybe I'm not full of shit ? Maybe I'm geniunely trying to give you tips on what works great ? Leave the tone out and start reading the message instead of being offended by little things, peace.

So yeah you're salty and the way you look at customers is digusting to me so I won't bother with the whole "they don't respect you they're weird nasty creeps". You and I had very different results with the exact same community so I'm not gonna try and change your mind, you experienced what you experienced and that's sad but not really, you kinda deserve it when I see the way you look at it.

Also what the fuck since when is SFK a pirate forum, do you even bother with your customers ? Like do you even try to know your audience ? It's a forum where people mostly post instagram images, magazines images, some c4s preview rip or screenshots, maybe a rip from xhamster here and there... whatever really. See the hot shit right before I stepped in was "Leia" and another girl I can't remember her name in the smoking category, good luck finding her full video on these website. There's maybe one full video somewhere, and the only thing she has to do if she wants it removed is to ask nicely to the admins of the website. Like they're fighting piracy on their own fucking forum regarding people who post

I'm cocky because I can, I'm 20 and I broke two categories by doing exactly what I do in the bedroom for shit n giggles while you struggle and complain all day long about having bad days/months on the internet. About Paypal, I made 5k or so since I started taking requests - before I had to open a C4S because I couldn't sustain the requests - and I've never had a problem with it except when they had to up the 2k5 limit, the first transaction is one year old now.



Huh yeah, they type "smoking fetish" on any porn website and masturbate. What's the big deal ? And if they happen to find one of my video, which is probably titled "654QT4" with no fucking "letty smoking" tag like every fucking obscure videos on motherless in an obscure smoking fetish group and tell me about it then it's great, we'll even have a little chat and I'll make his day.



Well the main reason I joined in the first place was to be "buddy" as you put it, but that was like a years before I even post content of myself (shit I wasn't 18 in 2012, that would've been illegal pics and clips lol). I know it's gonna sound weird for you, but it's my sexuality you know ? Then I posted pics of myself, then videos, then a few months after I started making money off it.



Yeah you're totally right, as said previously when these posts happened I wasn't the customers audience, I was the broke student audience. No shame in that, maybe that's one of the reasons I'm not being too bitchy about pirates ?



Thanks for being more understanding and trying to see it from a different angle.
I'm not expert for sure, I just know I would've keep going minimum 3k/months because I posted original content, I'm a fetishist I'm not a cam girl/model who's gonna smoke in front of a camera for quick bucks and people can see it, which is why actual companies and pro studio were blown the fuck out once I stepped in and did what I did. As far as the tone goes, yeah I guess I'm cocky as sometwat said, but the point still stands.



Yeah that was just me giving advice on girls struggling to make money to start learning about the smoking fetish. ;)

justsometwat
05-08-2016, 04:55 PM
Yep, I am just salty.

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DonaDiabla
05-08-2016, 06:07 PM
Anyways, has anyone notice the Burlesque category? I can not wait to make clips for that category :)

Rispy_Girl
05-08-2016, 06:31 PM
Anyways, has anyone notice the Burlesque category? I can not wait to make clips for that category :)

REALLY!!!!! I just got 10x more excited. I was planning on doing some burlesque stuff, but I didn't know how well it would be received. If there is a category for it, there must be an audience. YAY

justsometwat
05-08-2016, 06:53 PM
I hope you ladies had a good day on c4s! I did, was very nice getting some of these larger sales today! This month is looking better. I'm very pleased!

Wishing good sales (and big ones!) on you guys!

Sinna (2pee4you)
05-09-2016, 08:18 AM
Letty had initially contacted me for some advice and I am happy that her sales exploded like this. However, it's not a coincidence that she's an active member of a forum and has had such a great start. I won't go into the forum pirating or any other issues that have been discussed here (although I followed that discussion with much interest) but I have to say that Letty is a textbook example of how to launch your store BIG.

It can actually be compared a little to DSLAF and what he described as "putting up a vid for fun and then it got 3 million views" (paraphrased).

I have seen it before and it's one way to launch your store that can be quite successful if done right. It can also backfire, which is the downside.

The idea is simple. You are a fan, have a fetish or just calculated your business plan. Whatever your motive, you are on a popular forum or niche site and are an established member. As a girl, this is often easier than as a guy, because if you are a genuine girl into "XXX" (fill in any fetish) and you join a forum where (oftentimes mostly) guys meet and share, you immediately grab attention. A lot of creepy attention at times, but mostly good attention. Once they realize that you are indeed a girl, you will grow a big fanbase/following. The longer your are actively participating, the more your fanbase grows.

In many cases, it will be fans who start suggesting you make videos / pictures. Of course they like them for free and you can do that. If you are just in it for the fun or personal satisfaction, it has the biggest effect on your following. You can also hope for them to suggest selling ("if you'd sell these, I would buy all of them") and you can start a store right away or stay on the free base and grow your following even more ("Nah, I am not sure anyone would enjoy seeing me like that..").

You can grow your following as big and as long as you like, which is basically what unique fetish girls are doing anyway, without ever having had the intention of opening a store. Some girls out there, if they decided to open a store now, they would explode to the top right away. If you come into this purely business oriented, you might want to calculate each month you grow your following against the estimated earnings you could have already had.

Whatever you do, this method can help you explode right away. It's mostly crucial to not suggest opening a store yourself. Let the guys suggest everything. Be either genuine or smart about it, or it will backfire. The second it becomes obvious that you only did this to promote in the first place, it will lose it's effect.

I have not personally tried this, but I meant to write it up for adult-income for some time now, as I have seen models do it quite successfully.

In my personal case, I had a user being very satisfied with my clips (I made a few requests for him) and he was so happy that he wanted to make a post about me on a forum he participated in. The next day, sales exploded for me for the first time. I still remember that I made $126 in one day. At that time, my daily goal was $10. I had set up google analytics, so I knew the url that was pointing to my store. I went there and signed up. I have been a contributing member of that forum ever since.

In my case, a trusted member of the community "launched" me, so it was a variation on the above. The crucial knowledge is that you can find the best customers in dedicated niche forums. I have launched a video on xvideos with 700.000 views in a day. The video included a link to my store. My sales didn't go up. But that one post of that member on that forum, made my sales goal +1000% in one day.

Truth be told, my videos are pretty unique, as I have this fetish myself. But then again, all of us have something unique that makes us stand out. So this should work in one way or another for everyone.

It's also true that I was contacted frequently, about my clips being pirated somewhere, by members of that forum. On top of that, I never told the admin to blacklist my videos for upload because I am trusting the community to not upload my stuff. I never found a clip of mine there. The community is great and I am happy to be a part of it. They also helped me when I was down (and there are many reasons to have a down-day in this business). Really nice guys and girls.

You can also use this "method" (actually, I guess it's just how life works) to do other business. I know this girl (I think I link to her from my link list on adult-income) that offers free vids and pics on all kinds of communities. She is a sexy (and smart) girl. No watermark, no promotion. But if you click on her name (which I guess a lot of guys do after seeing her pics and vids) you find her panty and vids store. It's all indy and I don't know how exactly she processes everything, but I am pretty sure she makes a lot of money "underground" like that. No c4s store needed. Actually, having one would probably be bad for her business model, as it would take away her innocent "shy girl sells panties from her own room" flair.

Just a few thoughts about Letty and that forum issue.

sexysusie
05-09-2016, 02:55 PM
^^ That's exactly how my store ended up number one in my favourite niche categories. I had some very good advice about joining fetish forums before i started. They told me never to advertise, just participate, be real. I grew a big fanbase and when i started making clips everyone from those forums bought them. They still follow me, tweet me, and ask me about clips now even though i barely film anymore. In the end they were way too much work for me to put up with. I can't be doing with people hanging on everything i do and say, it is too much responsibility. But for those who really want to corner a niche market, this is a MAJOR way to do it x

Sinna (2pee4you)
05-10-2016, 08:31 AM
I agree. I got about 100 mails a day during my most active time. Just too much for any single person to answer in a day, not even considering making clips, editing, uploading, activating, promoting.. oh and eating and sleeping at least every second day :P Since I have the kids, I have taken a slower approach. I enjoy making my clips, I enjoy my fetish (at times, when you do 5 requests, all of which are in a subniche of your fetish you don't really like, you can start to lose the excitement) I get a few messages that I can take care of and everyone is happy. Of course I earn less and have not been in the main top 50 for a while, but I never wanted to get rich. I wanted to express myself and, if possible, earn a basic living. I can spend more time with my family now and even write an erotic story or article once in a while.

When the kids go to daycare, I could try to fire up my stores a little more, maybe start saving a little. So yes, that method can launch you big time, but you better be ready to follow up :)

Ashley_3
05-11-2016, 09:36 AM
That sounds interesting, but I don't think all communities are like that. I was told that if I join a certain message board they might not pirate my videos. I went there, I was nice and all, talked with them, they liked me. But that didn't stop them to pirate my clips at all. They had a hidden message board where most of the piracy was happening. Then they started sharing my videos on the free part of the forum where everybody could see them. I did send a DMCA once when I started using their service. I got banned immediately. Now the admin says how he never liked me. Basically I think they hate me now and I don't go there anymore. I've read awful things there from some people, how they don't care for the models and if they're homeless or die. I just don't go there anymore. My videos are pirated a lot to the point I consider to retire.

Bootsie
05-11-2016, 11:08 AM
I wanted to join a forum for a fetish I am genuinely interested in and enjoy but they are no longer allowing "people who are clearly women" (i used my cam and clip name to join so no being sneaky or anything) because they find we either just want to advertise or get pirated stuff taken down. So...

justsometwat
05-11-2016, 11:49 AM
I wish C4S would sort their shit with the top banner area. I had a 700px image there with any info my customers might need (ALL within their rules), then they changed the site and it shows less (occasionally) when the page loads. Sometimes it's about 300 pixels high, sometimes it loads the entire thing of about 700px.

I finally gave up and decided to make it the smaller version so there's no scrolling and so it doesn't matter if it loads the entire image or not. Now it's showing even less that that when I load my page. Part of what irritates me is the inconsistency. It's clearly not loading the same size area at the top of the clip store. Some of the time there's not even a way to scroll to see the whole image!

I don't have the time to edit all of my graphics and smoosh them all down when the site doesn't load properly. Hell, some of my gifs aren't even loading, they have the broken image and will sometimes load if you hover over that part of the site long enough.

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Classy_Katy
05-11-2016, 11:57 AM
^^^I have the same thing...it's not a large pic either. I cut my text to the minimum but sometimes it shows and sometimes it doesn't!

Sinna (2pee4you)
05-11-2016, 12:02 PM
I sometimes wished I never signed up for some communities either.. that's what I meant with "backfire". It can also seriously go the other way, like what happened to you, Ashley_3.

Bootsie, I also noticed that being honest is not helping a lot in this business and even not appreciated in a lot of cases. It took me a while to accept that. I want to keep being honest, but I hardened.. if I think back, I am not the same anymore. I am more reserved and don't trust people as easily. I don't tell about myself as much.. I keep it more "business" than I'd like to. It's sad, but it's working better that way for everyone.

Classy_Katy
05-11-2016, 12:44 PM
I have my Fetlife account and C4S linked with each other, and I have Fetlife linking to Adultwork as well. I am bringing new customers to Adultwork from Fetlife and C4S through Fetlife...I don't know if I am gaining C4S customers through it. On Fetlife I share photos and friend everyone, and I answer emails. Sometimes I talk in posts on groups but not to advertise...people that do are incredibly annoying.

I sold really well in C4S when I first started, in a particular fetish (no idea why but there you go) and I saw hits coming from a fetish forum. I joined the forum as myself but I didn't try to sell my clips, I had links to C4S and Adultwork but I was being myself and I felt well received. I also started threads sharing some pics. I don't think it increased my sales particularly but it was a positive experience...haven't been for a while and must re-visit! Another girl from C4S joined and started advertising straight away...she was torn apart.

justsometwat
05-11-2016, 07:23 PM
Now some of the time I load my store it's loading as if I were on their mobile site when I'm on my computer. You can't just refresh it to fix the issue because it reloads the mobile version. You have to totally retype the URL again for it to work. Happened to me twice today. Ugh.

Candy_Women
05-11-2016, 10:50 PM
changes on c4s:
"!! IMPORTANT PAYOUT NOTICE !!
FOR ALL STORES PAID BY CHECK

Please to be sure to deposit or cash any Intermark checks you may have before 05/25/16.

We moved to another bank and after 06/01/16 they will not be honored.

If you have an issue with a check AFTER 05/25/16 - Please create a support ticket for accounting to assist you.

http://support.clips4sale.com"
and payoneer still lack :(

justanothercamgirl
05-12-2016, 07:28 AM
changes on c4s:
"!! IMPORTANT PAYOUT NOTICE !!
FOR ALL STORES PAID BY CHECK

Please to be sure to deposit or cash any Intermark checks you may have before 05/25/16.

We moved to another bank and after 06/01/16 they will not be honored.

If you have an issue with a check AFTER 05/25/16 - Please create a support ticket for accounting to assist you.

http://support.clips4sale.com"
and payoneer still lack :(

I noticed that yesterday. Thanks for the SUPER limited warning, huh? (-_-)

SuperPookie
05-12-2016, 12:59 PM
Is there a way to put a link in a clip description to another clip in my store? I'd like to try that when I make sequels so to speak so I can connect back to the original clip.
Ot but I tried a new category and have been doing quite well (by my standards lol) and am pretty happy :).

Lacy Luck
05-12-2016, 01:44 PM
Is there a way to put a link in a clip description to another clip in my store? I'd like to try that when I make sequels so to speak so I can connect back to the original clip.
Ot but I tried a new category and have been doing quite well (by my standards lol) and am pretty happy :).

I use the tweet button to grab the url of the other video you want to link. It will pop up with a full tweet, but just copy/paste this part: http ://clips4sale. com/00000/5555555
Then type <a ref="paste the url here">Type what you want the link to say here</a> in the description.

EllieGold
05-12-2016, 03:31 PM
no sales in 3 days. So odd for 2 stores of mine.

Sinna (2pee4you)
05-12-2016, 06:03 PM
Is there a way to put a link in a clip description to another clip in my store? I'd like to try that when I make sequels so to speak so I can connect back to the original clip.
Ot but I tried a new category and have been doing quite well (by my standards lol) and am pretty happy :).

That's very easy on c4s. Just go to your clip list. In the "Title" column, below each clip name is the file name. Below that is the ID. Below THAT is a text that says Direct Link HTML Code. Click this Direct Link HTML Code text, it's a link that will open a small window where you can copy the fully ready html code to that clip. Paste that anywhere in any clip description or your store html and it will become a link to that clip, clickable by link title.


Title of your clip
filename.mp4
ID: 12345678
Direct Link HTML Code <- this is what you need to click
Buy Now Button HTML Code <- use this to add buy now buttons to that clip outside of c4s, e.g. on tumblr

Live example:

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Missjayne77
05-12-2016, 07:43 PM
no sales in 3 days. So odd for 2 stores of mine.


Yes! I was waiting for someone else to say it....

boyru
05-13-2016, 12:21 AM
5 sales during 3 days ...
traffic decreased with 30% (from 1200 daily to 700 daily)

EllieGold
05-13-2016, 12:51 AM
My stores just PLUMMETED big time. I want to cry. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

SuperPookie
05-13-2016, 07:09 AM
That's very easy on c4s. Just go to your clip list. In the "Title" column, below each clip name is the file name. Below that is the ID. Below THAT is a text that says Direct Link HTML Code. Click this Direct Link HTML Code text, it's a link that will open a small window where you can copy the fully ready html code to that clip. Paste that anywhere in any clip description or your store html and it will become a link to that clip, clickable by link title.


Title of your clip
filename.mp4
ID: 12345678
Direct Link HTML Code <- this is what you need to click
Buy Now Button HTML Code <- use this to add buy now buttons to that clip outside of c4s, e.g. on tumblr

Live example:

44925 Thank you so much! I'm going to try that today.
I've had a huge upswing in visitors to my store lately. One day I got 565 and usually I only get between 50-80 . I'm suspecting some sort of glitch that's working in my favor. I'm sure it's not going to last but I'm enjoying it while it does.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
05-13-2016, 07:36 AM
This entire month has been bad so far. I have three stores and have gone three days without a sale on any of them.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
05-13-2016, 07:38 AM
Thank you so much! I'm going to try that today.
I've had a huge upswing in visitors to my store lately. One day I got 565 and usually I only get between 50-80 . I'm suspecting some sort of glitch that's working in my favor. I'm sure it's not going to last but I'm enjoying it while it does.

You may have caught the attention of a specific fetish community? Its happened to me. Just check the fetish forums to see if your name has been mentioned.

justsometwat
05-13-2016, 08:01 AM
BETA TESTERS WANTED FOR NEW STUDIO ADMIN

Any studio can access the new studio admin and try it out!
We are inviting everyone to take a look and give it a test drive:
https://admin.clips4sale.com

If you happen to find something broken or get an error on the page, all we ask is that you let us know! The admin has the same look & feel as the current one, but it does have something brand new to check out:
The ability to upload YOUR OWN PREVIEWS. Previews must be MPEG-4/H.264 video and AAC audio. Maximum preview length is 60 seconds.
Anyone can test the new admin out, please note that it the backend coding we have updated, the admin still looks the same and works the same. The new admin will allow us to make upgrades and changes much faster as we develop new features for our studios to take advantage of and use on their stores.
Please make a support ticket with any errors or issues you may come across (and if you can include a screenshot that would be great too):
http://support.clips4sale.com/open

Thank you!
Clips4Sale Management
Clips4Sale.com

Didn't they say they were going to allow you to log into the admin section and have access to all of your stores frok one hub?

I haven't gotten a chance to look at this yet, I'm on mobile.

Sinna (2pee4you)
05-13-2016, 09:50 AM
superpookie, if you have google analytics enabled, you could also have a look there to try and see where the visitors come from. But I think it's also not a bad idea to just enjoy the moment :)

justsometwat, I have just tested it. I don't like it, but I guess that's because it's new. I have been in the admin for several hours a day across the past years, so I am just not feeling comfortable with change there :P I like that they added the option to upload an own preview. Especially top stores like tara and missa have been using their own previews for a long time. This will make it easier for them. I would have to try it, but my latest tests about enabling/disabling previews showed no difference in sales at all across several months of testing and since I would have to make the previews first, this could be just a waste of time for me. I'll probably test it when they launch the new admin upon us and there is no way out :P

justsometwat
05-13-2016, 10:39 AM
The previews do seem like a lot of work for those that aren't already using them. I wondered if previews would increase my sales, I guess I could enable them and see, but I definitely wouldn't go out of my way to make them.

I would have to go in and compare the old admin to the new admin side by side but I feel like the font is a little easier on the eyes. They don't seem to have changed a lot but there's noticeable differences. I hope they don't end up revamping the entire front page or categories. I think a lot of customers woukd leave if they were to change things drastically as say iwc & c4u.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
05-13-2016, 12:53 PM
I don't do previews on c4s. But I do make teasers for YouTube social media etc. It really does make a difference in sales. So I would definitely use this feature on the site now that I can control what hey see first.