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drearea
07-18-2012, 09:37 AM
Yeah I am trying to build myself up to a higher amount of time online, but I"m so easily annoyed it is an effort for sure. After the 15th person who says
Hi bb
hry
u preg
big belly
have milk
mmmm

and then logs off, I really start to just grind my teeth.

Highdreamer
08-22-2012, 12:50 PM
I've been thinking about camming for awhile now, but never took the time to actually start an account. But now desperate times call for desperate measures I'm five months pregnant and although I've been looking for a job, I would rather stay at home till after the baby. My bf makes enough to pay the basics, but any extra wouldnt hurt. So my question to all you ladies that cammed while pregnant or are currently pregnant and camming, how was/is business? I plan to work as much as possible about 30 hours/week or more. Can i make a decent income? Please tell me your experiences.

naughtycamgirl
08-22-2012, 02:22 PM
I cammed when I was pregnant, the first months I was worried to not being able to make anything when I would get the big belly :)
Then I realized that guys liked it soo much, I made good money, there is a big fetish for pregnant women.So don't worry ! and don't exhaust yourself too much working.
but be prepared to these questions/comments, because you are going to hear them a lot :
-Do you have milk ? Do you do milk shows ? (most of guys are ignorant and don't know that women have milk only 2/3 days after giving birth, but they only might have some colostrum during pregancy)
-You are not a good mom because you are broadcasting your baby in porn
-How did you get pregnant ? do you know who is your baby's father ? did the baby's father know what you are doing on cam ?
and other annoying questions that I don't remember
I hope you will do great, let us know and good luck

drearea
08-22-2012, 02:26 PM
Hi! First I wanted to tell you that I'm in a similar situation. I am pregnant and having a hard time making a living. When I was around 4 months along I lost my "vanilla" job and had to consider my options. I had been camming for about two years before I went to an hourly wage job and when I lost that job, it seemed my only real option.

I wasn't about to start a job at 5 months pregnant and then have to ask for time off or quit. I want to be able to stay at home with my baby and NOT worry about work. I also want to be able to stay at home with my baby and have the ABILITY to work. For those reasons camming is the only option for me. It's the only job I can have where I can make a few bucks when the baby is asleep. The only job I can have without a childcare expense (depending on the hours I choose to work).

As far as the income potential, being pregnant and/or lactating is a HUGE bonus. Many men have fetishes for lactation and pregnancy and there are actually very few models on any given site who actually can provide for those men. And the amount of English speaking/fluent pregnant and/or lactating models is about 10% of THAT! So the niche is relatively exclusive. Right now I work around 20 hours a week and make about $800-$1200 a week.

I'm also going to start a clip store which every pregnant cammer should do.

Please be sure to PM me if you have any questions or need to talk!

JoJoX
08-22-2012, 02:28 PM
I am not pregnant but I forwarded this post to a pregnant cammer friend so she can answer. But I just wanted to say that I think Streamate.com would be the best website for you, and yes you can make good money. If you want, you can also try to work more than one site. Also, keep in mind that it takes time to see some steady income- time and consistency, especially around this time of year- but don't worry it may not take THAT long. And something else I think is extremely important- always look like you're in a great mood, you will attract viewers like flies. My boyfriend is truly impressed by the straight happy face I put on when I get on cam even though I am going through a rough time. And it works like a charm.

Highdreamer
08-22-2012, 03:16 PM
Thanks everyone for your helpful replies. I'll be sure to let you guys how it goes!

Dreamofluxie
08-23-2012, 02:45 AM
Haha. Sometimes I wish I WAS pregnant just so I could make a tonne of preggo videos and bank on cam sites. :D

Streamate and Adultwork would be good for you. I think MFC don't 'allow' pregnant girls...BUT I see some there from time to time. They seem to do well/get a lot of traffic. Good luck sweetie, dont do anything you dont want to do...put the time in, look after your body! You're gonna be going through a lot of intense emotions and hormone changes and starting camming on top of all that can be stressfull. Ignore the trolls, smile, know that you are beautiful and get online. If you stick at it you will $$$$$$$. :D

Good luck and congratulations!

IsobelWren
08-23-2012, 06:54 AM
Here's the tutorial I wrote on how to use the advanced search function.
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169359-How-to-use-the-search-function

There's also another tutorial "stickied" to the top of the Camming Connection forum, that's what we do when we think something is important, all the threads tinged in blue are important, stickied, threads

Here are the relevant threads I found while I used the advanced search function as mentioned in the tutorial. Searching for "pregnant" under Camming Connection
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?176639-pregnant-and-secret&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?175747-Advice-for-Pregnant-Cam-Girl&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?173170-Camming-Pregnant-Getting-through-the-hump-of-being-tired&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?157073-Pregnancy-run-with-it-or-hide-it&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?166256-Camming-Pregnant&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?167353-Early-Pregnancy-and-Camming&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?167625-Cams-com-and-Pregnancy&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169692-Pregnancy-and-Camming-questions-%28SM%29&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163550-Camming-while-pregnant&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?159836-Should-I-give-MFC-another-shot-as-a-preggo&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163003-Are-any-of-you-pregnant-or-have-cammed-while-being-pregnant&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169801-Any-ex-pregnant-ladies-have-success-with-lactation-only-shows&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163781-Can-you-cam-if-you-re-pregnant&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?156164-Pregnancyyy&highlight=pregnant

Highdreamer
08-23-2012, 08:38 AM
Thank you

Decalyn
11-09-2012, 10:23 PM
So, I'm almost two months postpartum and itching to work again. I'm healed up, aside from some tenderness.
:-\
My issue though is with my appearance. I've lost most of the weight, and stretch marks I can live with (I actually think they look bitchin cool). But my stomach right in front is still ridiculously wrinkly with extra skin and my linea negra and belly button are really, really dark. The skin is dry and almost black. Needless to say this does not look pretty in the slightest, especially on someone as pale as I am. But I do have the advantage of being on camera rather than in person, so I thought you girls may know some tricks.

Sooo I have a few questions:

Should I stay off of work until the vajoo tenderness goes away?
What do I do about the extra skin on my stomach? I can use makeup on the dark line and belly button (any suggestions about that, btw?), but the wrinkly skin looks like I have a vajoo on my abdomen.
If there's nothing I can do about the wrinkly tummy, what would you girls suggest for cam-work? Some type of stays-on clothing?

Thanks in advance ladies. I miss you guys~.

LilRedRidinGood
11-09-2012, 10:26 PM
focus on the titties. are you lactating? there's a huge fetish for that. or....just wear appropriate tops. you dont exactly HAVE to get butt naked. the things the guys want to see are below the belly.

ManyRoses
11-09-2012, 10:30 PM
First off - congrats! And extra congrats on losing most of the baby weight in such a short time - that is incredible!!

I can't help with any post-preggo experience, as I haven't been there, but I do have some suggestions...

If your tummy bothers you, you could work with a waister - one of the corsets that just does your waist, leaving the boobies free-range. Wear it with a bra/panties set, and it will look super classy and sexy, then you can still take the bra off and show your boobs, but keep that stomach hidden.

Play with the gain/exposure settings on your cam. I am super pale, and when my psoriasis acts up, I can literally wash it all away by screwing with the settings. Admittedly, it occasionally goes so bright that they can barely see my VAG, but no one seems to mind....

On that note - you'd be surprised how many people don't care. I have SEVERE scarring around my belly button from rejected piercings - we are talking purple/red, raised, keloiding for about an inch below the navel.....and NO ONE NOTICES. Ever. Even when I am showing off my navel piercing. It blows my mind.

Dermablend is a great brand of makeup if you do want to cover up - dust it with powder, then use a fix spray or hairspray to make it last longer.

takiaya
11-09-2012, 10:52 PM
Corsets either tight to tighten up your belly or even like a loose one for show that really shows off your breasts, tummy trimmers same thing, dresses are good, nursing bra if your lactating, hell even if your not some guys love that fact that you can unclip the breast area fast without taking the bra off, and its good for flashing depending on what site you work, loose skin going to have to do some belly tightening exercises you can find some good ones on google for postpartum, vitamin e cream etc, stretch mark cream, they make belly tightening/skin tightening cream and gel for woman who have lost alot of weight etc, it works wonders for after baby belly skin as well. Alot of guys are into the milf thing alot, mention your a milf, some will actually want to see your belly and the skin etc because of either curiosity or they are into it, either way its up to you what you show etc, dont stress about it too much, remember your a mommy now! Dont have time for stupid guys, put them on their way, there will be tons of guys who will tip and take you private anything. Now I miss my post pregnancy breasts :( they made me tons of money when I started camming, they've shrunk alot since then...

xobarbiexo
11-10-2012, 02:21 AM
have you been sleeping with a waist cincher on? This helps A LOT! I would agree with the girls about a waist cincher while on cam. Another thing that will help midly is a spray tan or you can try the tattoo cover up make up Kat Von Dee put out... if it can cover up tattoos on that chick it should be able to cover up some stretch marks :) good luck tiger you earned your stripes!

naughtycamgirl
11-10-2012, 03:46 AM
you have 2 options :
1-Don't focus on your stomach
2-You can get an underbust corset like this one (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brocade-Underbust-Corset-Waspie-Cincher/dp/B007T8MATU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2SBKEKQ165F6I&coliid=I1C2FI8TFP6CHD), you won't need to take it off, and you still be able to show tits
Then try to hydrate your skin using some specific cream for postpartum and do some work out :)

SarahTime
11-10-2012, 04:40 PM
Waist cincher at night is a great idea, I did that for both my pregnancies.

Also, I just wear tank tops and pull my tits out the top and avoid showing my stomach most of the time. Mine isn't really THAT bad anymore, but I still have wrinkles around my belly button which actually get worse the more weight I lose! :( So I usually always wear tank tops and just pull the top down.

You can try dermablend on the dark lines. I use that on my c-section scar and it works really well.

And yes I would wait until you are not sore to do any penetration, don't want to hurt yourself!

AureliaC
11-10-2012, 06:53 PM
First off congratulations!
I started camming about two months after my little guy with a pretty large c section scar. He was early enough that I never had stretch marks but any old concealer fixed my fabulous dark line.
At least with me guys were so stoked with my breast feeding DD's and milk shows they've never even metioned anything south of that.

domino.damoiselle
11-11-2012, 03:17 PM
Definitely use a waist cincher on if it would make you feel more confident. Sleeping in it will help you get your pre-pregnancy shape back, too.

Like other girls have said, invest in some high quality body concealer (someone mentioned Kat von D's tattoo cover up) and to set the concealer, use a bronzer or powder. Sally Beauty Supply sells this spray on tan stuff called QuickTan that's supposed to be good (and inexpensive).

gingerstripper
11-11-2012, 10:51 PM
and to help with the appearance try bio oil...it really works...i can barely see my stretch marks anymore. it really helps to tighten the skin and fade the marks..and cocoa oil :) i put it in the bath while i soak...and its really made a difference. waist cincher, and if your abs are strong enough now you can do some crunches...if you're feeling strong enough. this will add muscle to your abs...so you're skin isnt as wrinkley...tightens everything right up!

LAChloe
11-11-2012, 11:40 PM
were you skinny to begin with?

pink lights do wonders for my stretchmarks!

Decalyn
11-12-2012, 04:25 PM
"Tinkerbell with a rack that could stop traffic" <-- My mother's words, not mine.

I have a bit more thickness to me now, obviously, but I'll definitely be trying some of your suggestions girls. I really appreciate it.

twistedprincess
11-12-2012, 04:38 PM
I would like to second bio oil. I don't have kids, but I used to work a place where I had to deal with product reps all the time. I've probably got 5 bottles of bio oil and I give them to everyone I know with all sorts of skin issues. It's #1 usage is stretch marks and dark spots, but it can also be used for dry skin, scars, nail treatment. I use it around my eyes as I get super dry skin and I rub it on my nails when they've taken a beating from too much polish/remover. One bottle lasts a very long time, and it's super cheap as far as skin products go.

Lovelyme
11-13-2012, 03:28 AM
I've never thought of using a waist cincher. I will start looking up more info on that!

AngelicaDanceCam
01-13-2013, 04:27 PM
Well.... I was a dancer until I became to big lol. Now im camming. Im 5 months and I must say i tire pretty quickly.... any others out there? I want to split cam but not sure how to do that. Maybe you guys can help? : )

Ang

MissMafia
01-13-2013, 04:37 PM
Just a suggestion. I would try out some places that you can sell clips/vids/pix such as C4S and MGF. Pregnancy is a pretty big fetish with the popularity it is gaining.

Not to mention, you could make some bank from that without tiring yourself out.

Aurora14
01-13-2013, 05:27 PM
I started camming when I was 7 months pregnant. Take care of yourself first and you should be golden. I paced myself by split camming (Big thread on it in this section, just search split camming) and only doing 2 hours at a time. Make sure you stay hydrated. If you have a longer shift than usual, take a nice bubble bath to unwind. And like MissMafia said, look into clips. You can milk the pregnant money longer if you utilize those sites. Plus it's uber easy to film yourself rubbing cocoa butter on your belly and breasts to ease the stretch marks. You're gonna do it anyway, so why not see if you can make a few bucks from it?

While I didn't make super incredible money, I knew it was possible to make more than I did because I worked so little. I averaged $35 an hour, and got a couple of good regulars. The ones that spent $ on me were always the super nicest guys in the room and would actually ask me if I was ok or needed to take a break occasionally (My contractions were 1 1/2 minutes apert toward the end and they knew it). Some of whom were very disappointed when I went into labor lol.

Good luck!

AngelicaDanceCam
01-13-2013, 05:40 PM
Thanks so much that just gave me some more hope :)

JGB2009
01-13-2013, 06:34 PM
I was pregnant but I gave birth over a week ago. I really did well once I got really big toward the end. Plus I had some nice regulars too that took me for long private shows. I also tired very quickly too, so wut I did was work 2 hour shifts here and there. The money was certainly nice and I had a blast working the pregnancy niche. Anyway best of luck to you :-)

DominicanDream
01-28-2013, 01:00 PM
Hey ladies :)..it's been a while!
Have any of you cammed while pregnant? I'm 18 weeks pregnant (in my 5th month)..not really showing much...and I haven't cammed in about a month.
I cam on SM and I see there's a 'pregnant' category..I guess I just don't know if I'll do well or not. I've been on SM for 2-3 years now, and I have a pretty good client base, but none of them know I'm pregnant. I don't know if and how that will change things.
Then again, I'm sure there are guys who like watching pregnant women..right?

If you have cammed in the pregnant category, I'd really LOVE some feedback, because I've been avoiding getting online for a while.

Thanks!

maryjaynexo
01-28-2013, 02:28 PM
I personally have never cammed while pregnant, but I know that pregnant videos and cam shows can be hugely popular (no pun intended, haha). Afaik, pregnancy is very popular, as well as breast milk shows.

simone87
01-28-2013, 02:30 PM
my sister made clips while pregnant and earned a TON. also fetish websites..if i ever got pregnant i'd milk (haha) the hell out of it! very popular.

CourtneyRaine
01-28-2013, 03:38 PM
I miscarried way too early for it to start showing so I don't have any camming while pregnant experience, I just want to wish you congratulations mama!

Aurora14
01-28-2013, 03:59 PM
Camming while prego can be great especially if you already have the experience. I started camming at 7 or 8 months and the little I did was good side money for me. The ones with the fetishes can be most most nice and generous. If you switch to the pregnant category I'd suggest raising your rates and taking it easy. I constantly had guys wanting to see me milk myself and there were some who wanted me to sit there and fart (weirdo right?). So if they want a specialized show like that make them go excl, some other guys obviously aren't into that and you can loose customers fast that way! And you can definitely start making some side money with clips!! I made some clips when I was producing milk and they make me the most money, I wish I was able to keep making them.

Congrats and good luck! Just search the forum and you should be able to find more on the subject. There are a few newer threads that have come up about this lately.

JGB2009
01-28-2013, 04:40 PM
I started camming around that time too while pregnant on streamate. I wasn't showing either, but I made most of my money when I really started to show. The money was nice and I am glad I had the opportunity to experience it. Anyway congrats and best of luck to you :-)

IsobelWren
01-28-2013, 10:52 PM
Using the advanced search function, tutorial here:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169359-How-to-use-the-search-function

I searched for "pregnant", "preggo" and "pregnancy" and found these threads:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?173170-Camming-Pregnant-Getting-through-the-hump-of-being-tired
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?167353-Early-Pregnancy-and-Camming&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169692-Pregnancy-and-Camming-questions-%28SM%29&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?166256-Camming-Pregnant&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163781-Can-you-cam-if-you-re-pregnant&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163003-Are-any-of-you-pregnant-or-have-cammed-while-being-pregnant&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?163550-Camming-while-pregnant&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?175747-Advice-for-Pregnant-Cam-Girl&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?176639-pregnant-and-secret&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?176910-Pregnant-and-Broke&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?167625-Cams-com-and-Pregnancy&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?180919-new-Pregnant-amp-camming&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?175293-Need-some-info&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?156164-Pregnancyyy&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?157073-Pregnancy-run-with-it-or-hide-it&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?159836-Should-I-give-MFC-another-shot-as-a-preggo&highlight=pregnant


And for after le bebe is born
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?164270-MFC-and-lactating&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?164790-Webcamming-after-giving-birth&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?179082-Post-Pregnancy-Any-advice-from-camming-mamas&highlight=pregnancy
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?179654-Sites-that-are-lactation-friendly&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?169801-Any-ex-pregnant-ladies-have-success-with-lactation-only-shows&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?170934-Camming-RIGHT-after-having-a-baby&highlight=pregnant
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?156531-Are-your-child%28ren%29-going-to-know-you-cammed&highlight=pregnant

SydneyBrooke
01-28-2013, 11:48 PM
I didn't cam during any of my pregnancies but the girl's I know that did, did very well. Congrats and good luck.

DominicanDream
01-29-2013, 04:32 AM
Thanks everyone!!! I tried signing up for C4S yesterday and they said that I didn't send them the W9 form (which I did) so my application was declined. Guess I'll try again today!

mamabutt
01-30-2013, 09:24 PM
I have been camming over at MFC sporadically this past year, and though I'm not on much I still make enough to pay bills and have a few regulars. I'm pregnant and wondering if I should try to stay at MFC and hope my regs don't hate me? Or move to Streamate which I hear is better for pregnant camming.. is it true?

I intend to make videos for clips4sale but I have to make $1500 a month minimum to keep up with bills. Is this possible as someone who cams pregnant?? Thank you for any insight! :-*

seller317
01-30-2013, 09:38 PM
Ive never cammed pregnant but heres my 2 cents. Work both mfc and streamate depending on which you prefer any given day. Pregnant girls are a fetish to some and like the foot fetish, you may only be asked to rub your belly ;) You will get new regulars as your popularity increases. You can never know how much you will make but the potential is there. Consider yourself rare and use it to your advantage girl!! Milk the baby love!! Pun intended lol!!

AureliaC
01-31-2013, 02:03 AM
You could very easily make your goal on c4s and never deal with free chat again. Pregnancy is huge, lactation is decent. Seriously, go make those clips! If I had known about c4s while I was pregnant I wouldn't have money problems now

mamabutt
01-31-2013, 11:41 AM
Wow, really? Thank you so much!! It would be amazing to just make a bunch of videos and not have to cam, free cam is so tiring!

maryjaynexo
01-31-2013, 12:05 PM
I guarantee if you work hard at it, you can make your goal or more on Clips4sale. From what I understand, pregnancy is a very popular fetish.

AureliaC
01-31-2013, 01:09 PM
Wow, really? Thank you so much!! It would be amazing to just make a bunch of videos and not have to cam, free cam is so tiring!

If you ever need help or want to brainstorm just PM me, you shouldn't have to deal with free chat idiots while you're pregnant.

simone87
01-31-2013, 01:54 PM
clips, all the way. i almost wish i was pregnant ( well, almost! haha), you def have an advantage as it's a huge fetish

Smurfette
01-31-2013, 02:23 PM
You could very easily make your goal on c4s and never deal with free chat again. Pregnancy is huge, lactation is decent. Seriously, go make those clips! If I had known about c4s while I was pregnant I wouldn't have money problems now

I knew about it during my pregnancy but I never signed up for whatever reason (laziness probably).

FUCKING HELL. *bangs head against wall*

I want to have another baby. A money baby.

marsey
01-31-2013, 03:03 PM
Adultwork is pretty decent for pregancy fetish if you handle the idiots asking you if you escort. I split cam Adultwork in paid chat only and make decent amounts most nights, plus its not demanding like free chat and, more importantly, you can upload pay per view vid clips, vid rentals, photos and I think an Amazon wishlist link (i would accept vouchers only personally ).

Passive income is definately the way to go during pregancy. Mine was a few weeks early and I felt so tired afterwards with the new routine, I wish I had put more effort into my galleries while I was able to.

IsobelWren
02-01-2013, 05:14 PM
Here's the thread that was started on this very same topic two days ago.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?181330-Camming-While-Pregnant-advice!

In that thread I posted links to all the other times this topic has been discussed. When you're done reading the advice you've received here and the advice your fellow pregnant cam girl has received in the thread linked, you can check out the links in there and read all the other threads with advice for pregnant models.

melissacutiepie
03-23-2013, 07:51 AM
Hello recently found out Im a few weeks pregnant , and will this affect camming?? just feeling really down Im happy Im pregnant but my boyfriend keeps pushing me to have an abortion and well just gone mean towards me lately. Im 22 and just don't know what to do any tips or advice via camming wise and the boyfriend situation?

GlamourRouge
03-23-2013, 07:56 AM
If you want it, keep it. If you don't want it, don't keep it. But don't let others make the decision for you, or influence you heavily one way or the other.

Pregnancy is a niche on cam, one of the most lucrative. We often joke we want to get pregnant just to make money off it. Since you're not showing yet, now is the prime time to start. Either create a cam name called like PregnantGoddess or pick a regular stage name and then when you start to show, put PREGNANT in the tag line. The customers will flock to you. I also suggest you start filming everything.

Cam_Model_Jess
03-23-2013, 08:05 AM
I'm concerned that you're asking total strangers whether or not you should keep your baby. If you want to know about pregnant camming, search the forum and watch pregnant models. I'm not unsympathetic about your boyfriend situation, but this post doesn't bode well for you in the responsibility department. Do some research & some soul-searching. We can't really do that for you.