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Crustyz
10-17-2011, 10:57 AM
Well,
I've been thinking really hard about trying to go independent. But I honestly have no idea where to start. I've searched, and searched to no avail. I've found some threads that talk about posting your Skype or e-mail on some website, but that's not what I really want.

Where/how do you get your customers?
Do you find them on the main site you work?
How often do you get paying customers daily?
Is it reliable?(this is what's important)
How to figure out your rates?
How to avoid scams?
How to keep track of time when they buy a time block? (20 min, 10 min, 5 min)

This is all I can think of right now. I always felt there should be an indie camming advice thread. What do you think? :)

naughtycamgirl
10-17-2011, 11:32 AM
Where/how do you get your customers?
-Create a blog/website and PROMOTE IT A LOT
(post it to search engines and directories) buy traffic if you can afford it
-Get listed on indy websites ( like icandycams and virtualxgirl ect)
-Create an account on all social networks ( facebook, twitter ect ) and advertise your self/ your website
-Exchange banners with camgirls that have their own website
Do you find them on the main site you work?
-NO, if they catch you you will be banned ( don't steal customers)
How often do you get paying customers daily?
-It depends on your popularity and your efforts on promoting yourself
Is it reliable?(this is what's important)
-I think that nobody can answer this question, since even big websites like streamate have their ups and downs
How to figure out your rates?
- do the math, always think about your net earning after that the credit card processor take his %
How to avoid scams?
-We can't completely avoid scams, this industry is risky, some advices are : never do a show before getting paid, never accept paypal, never do long shows for new customers ( in order to be sure that this customer won't ask for a chargeback)
How to keep track of time when they buy a time block? (20 min, 10 min, 5 min)
-I just look at my watch, usually I offer 2/3 minutes for free ..then customers turn back

laurielegs
10-17-2011, 11:33 AM
I hate to throw a monkey wrench into your idea but in my opinion the days of being completely indy are gone. I used to do awesome back in the days of Paypal/Yahoo chat rooms before they changed the policy.

I think it's worth doing some of it on the side but it's hard to get guys to sign up for different processors, and so many of them want to use Paypal so they can then go do a chargeback it's such a waste of time some days.

What we really need is a reliable adult friendly processor that is as popular and as easy as Paypal.

I hope somebody will come into the thread and prove me wrong because I'd love to be all indy. Maybe I just haven't hit on the right site, who knows.

GlamourRouge
10-17-2011, 11:49 AM
Well,
I've been thinking really hard about trying to go independent. But I honestly have no idea where to start. I've searched, and searched to no avail. I've found some threads that talk about posting your Skype or e-mail on some website, but that's not what I really want.

Where/how do you get your customers?
Do you find them on the main site you work?
How often do you get paying customers daily?
Is it reliable?(this is what's important)
How to figure out your rates?
How to avoid scams?
How to keep track of time when they buy a time block? (20 min, 10 min, 5 min)

This is all I can think of right now. I always felt there should be an indie camming advice thread. What do you think? :)

- Hours & hours of advertising per week
- Pulling customers from sites the sneaky way (HUGE risk here though)

However, there's really NO way to become 100% indy (or even mostly indie) unless you are some sort of famous porn star or glamour model where you have diehard fans & extreme traffic. That's probably only .000000000000001% of cam girls out there. And if that's the case, cam girl money is probably pocket change for you and you wouldn't care about becoming indie or even camming for that matter.

Find a site and stick to it. Everyones "best site" is completely different.

Crustyz
10-17-2011, 12:13 PM
Damn...
I was hoping there still was a market for indie camming. I heard Second Life was good for camming independently, but they go through pay pal too. :-[

roast
10-17-2011, 03:54 PM
One person who posts here regularly is 100% indie - but I think its sort of like the secrets of becoming a samurai warrior with a few hefty tablespoons of patience, customer service, waiting game, and a hardcore sense of entrepreneurship. That's a niche I think we'd all love to be 100% in but Id say 100% indie cammers should be paid for their advice since that's everyone's holygrail. They do exist though.

Most messenger services have a timer on them when you broadcast your webcam but you can also download "countdown" timeclocks on Cnet.com. Most buzz or flash your whole screen when the time elapses.

Tsani
10-17-2011, 10:18 PM
Damn...
I was hoping there still was a market for indie camming. I heard Second Life was good for camming independently, but they go through pay pal too. :-[

SL is ok for camming independently but right now I'm using it along with SM, C4S, AW, phone, etc. I've been on Second Life a lot longer than I've been camming and I know there's a huge market for adult work there so I've created an account just for promoting my adult work. It's sort of how I advertise. I go out, look sexy, go to clubs and flirt and show off my profile which has all my info on it (rates, websites where you can find me, etc.)

As for payment there, people can use paypal or CC bill but it all goes through Linden Labs (the company that owns SL) and there are no chargebacks. You get the currency as "Lindens" which you can sell on the exchange for regular money. Some people prefer to pay in Lindens, so I have rates listed in lindens for text, voice, and skype sessions. It's pretty good as a payment processor because the customer never gets any of your info and they can't do a chargeback. Also if you use paypal to cash out, they can't bust you for adult transactions because they don't know what you did to get the money and the payment's from Linden Labs.

DIAMONDLOVER
10-18-2011, 01:50 PM
You can use this to keep track of time
http://download.cnet.com/Cool-Timer/3000-2350_4-10062255.html

Fridays
10-18-2011, 05:02 PM
Id never go indy
too much headache
but thats just me...

Crustyz
10-19-2011, 12:35 PM
SL is ok for camming independently but right now I'm using it along with SM, C4S, AW, phone, etc. I've been on Second Life a lot longer than I've been camming and I know there's a huge market for adult work there so I've created an account just for promoting my adult work. It's sort of how I advertise. I go out, look sexy, go to clubs and flirt and show off my profile which has all my info on it (rates, websites where you can find me, etc.)

As for payment there, people can use paypal or CC bill but it all goes through Linden Labs (the company that owns SL) and there are no chargebacks. You get the currency as "Lindens" which you can sell on the exchange for regular money. Some people prefer to pay in Lindens, so I have rates listed in lindens for text, voice, and skype sessions. It's pretty good as a payment processor because the customer never gets any of your info and they can't do a chargeback. Also if you use paypal to cash out, they can't bust you for adult transactions because they don't know what you did to get the money and the payment's from Linden Labs.
Wow, I might just try this! ;D

goreantx
11-07-2011, 06:25 AM
It's indie, that means you do everything yourself. :-X

Melonie
11-07-2011, 10:00 AM
in my opinion the days of being completely indy are gone.


we'd all love to be 100% in but Id say 100% indie cammers should be paid for their advice since that's everyone's holygrail. They do exist though.


there's really NO way to become 100% indy (or even mostly indie) unless you are some sort of famous porn star or glamour model where you have diehard fans & extreme traffic.


As someone who formerly operated a 100% indy webcam ( as part of an indy adult website ), I have to point out that the 'rules of the game' have changed to the extreme over the past few years. First issue are the front end plus ongoing costs associated with setting up and operating an independent webcam server ... where the indy girl must PAY FOR the bandwidth she is using for free chats as well as paid shows. In this scenario where every minute of operation costs the webcam girl money, low traffic or more importantly low sales ratios can quickly 'bankrupt' an indy webcam. And in a scenario where a single webcam girl must pay a monthly fee for webcam hosting, the 'unit costs' of operation are significantly higher than if several different girls were able to share the same webcam host at different times of day / night for the same total monthly hosting fee.

Second issue are the costs and risks of online adult credit card processing. While some girls may have obtained their own credit card merchant accounts in the past, that's virtually impossible to repeat today. Thus they are forced to use one of the many online processing services ... all of which take a large 'cut' of every transaction by one means or another. And credit card processing services provided for indy online businesses are usually fully exposed to 'chargebacks'.

And last but certainly not least, is the fact that it is MUCH harder today to build independent traffic. In the distant past, it was possible via clever coding alone to wind up with high search engine placement. Today, high search engine placement costs money. Yes the social network websites are now available to bolster traffic, but they all require a LOT of effort on a daily basis and often attract webcam customer types that you'd have been better off not attracting. Indeed about the only effective method of obtaining sufficient webcam customer traffic to sustain an indy webcam is if the girl in question has some level of notoriety that search engine placement will automatically pick up on without having to pay them tons of money in placement fees.

New webcam girls tend to take for granted the 'aggregating' effects of the major webcam hosting sites and associated online credit card processing services ... the webcam hosting service putting up all of the front money, providing 'free' bandwidth to webcam girls during unpaid chats ( actually paid for by all girls doing paid webcam at the same time ), spreading chargeback loss risk among many many webcam girls ( to the point where the host can 'eat' actual chargeback costs in some circumstances ), achieving 'huge volume discounts' on webcam server operating fees / bandwidth costs / bulk credit card processing / bulk accounting, the ability to 'advertise' effectively at an extremely low cost per webcam girl, etc. Once you go indy, these 'aggregating' effects cease to exist. As a result, you may wind up far better off, or 'bankrupt', financially speaking. And of course you have no way of knowing whether the results are green or red until after you've already made a front money investment.

In my own case, even though I was able to share the same indy webcam with several 'huge boob' girls of some notoriety, economy of scale just wasn't great enough to really make the additional indy effort financially worthwhile. So when the Section 2257 laws were put into effect ( which expose an indy webcam 'video producer' to potential US Federal Felony charges if Section 2257 records weren't in order ) I gave up the indy effort.

~

BlakeDahlia
11-07-2011, 02:07 PM
I just started thinking about the whole indy route today. I found this thread really helpful:http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=137369&highlight=cam+site+review

Especially the stuff written by MalayaTaylor

Wrong. I simply listed on camgirl independent listing sites. You can google "Camgirl listing sites" or "Independent camgirl listing sites" and a bunch of them will come up.

You will need to have Yahoo , skype, msn, eyeball chat and Ispq messengers ..because not everyone will have Yahoo.

TIP: There is also a site called www.websfinest.com I worked for tom for a year ..he's a pretty cool guy ..You'd love him. I never made less than $500 a week there.

When you set up your profile on those sites.. the shows will start rolling in..The client contacts you via IM, He'll tell you how many minutes he wants for example 10 minutes.. and you tell him ok that'll be $25 or $30 (depending on what YOU want to charge), He pays FIRST and then you start the show. You NEVER start your cam for free.

The more you offer the more shows you'll get..at the time I didn't offer anal.. but I did offer shower shows and banked! That's basically it.

After all this, while camming one day a camgirlfriend and I decided to create www.malayataylor.com (http://www.malayataylor.com).

Off the top of my head some camgirl listing sites:

www.Camwhores.com (http://www.Camwhores.com)
www.camgirlssites.com (http://www.camgirlssites.com)
www.Icandycams.com (http://www.Icandycams.com)
www.camsturbate.com (http://www.camsturbate.com)
www.camgirls.cc (http://www.camgirls.cc)
www.camgirlspot.com (http://www.camgirlspot.com)
www.realgirlsoncam (http://www.realgirlsoncam)
www.xxxcambabes.com (http://www.xxxcambabes.com)

The more sites you're on; The more you'll make. The more you're online; The more you'll make. Good luck.

Ooh I had all my regulars from the big sites paying me directly.. yeah yeah i know it's not allowed.. but on my cam profile i had "Google me" ..they would and they would find me and IM me through my site and buy a show that way.. it was actually cheaper for them.

Some of the sites listed have their own payment processors so you don't need to have your own, but you still keep like 75-80%.

veronika_mae
11-30-2011, 10:02 PM
I hate to throw a monkey wrench into your idea but in my opinion the days of being completely indy are gone. I used to do awesome back in the days of Paypal/Yahoo chat rooms before they changed the policy.

I think it's worth doing some of it on the side but it's hard to get guys to sign up for different processors, and so many of them want to use Paypal so they can then go do a chargeback it's such a waste of time some days.

What we really need is a reliable adult friendly processor that is as popular and as easy as Paypal.

I hope somebody will come into the thread and prove me wrong because I'd love to be all indy. Maybe I just haven't hit on the right site, who knows.


hey sweetie .. i've been indie camming for a little bit.

not only is paypal not a good idea to use due to people with chargebacks .. but you can actually have your account disabled if they were to find out you were using it for "adult" transactions.

have you heard of alertpay? it's juuuust like paypal. instant money .. transfers directly to your bank account .. etc. they completely allow adult stuff. it's super awesome. only downfall .. is that it's not nearly as popular as paypal and it's not all that easy to find clients who already have an account with them or want to create one. =(

also .. there are sites that you can be listed on who use payment processors. the one i'm listed on is realgirlsoncam.com and they use ccbill. so there's a nice easy button at the bottom of your profile for someone to pay easily with any major credit card, and they send you a check. unfortunately .. you only get 75% of your earnings (the site keeps the other 25% for listing you) but .. that's way better than the 20-30 you get camming for the man. =P

another little trick .. if you like to do a lot of internet shopping like most people nowadays .. i also accept gift cards, like for amazon and whatnot for payment occassionally. depends if i'm super strapped for cash or just wanting to do a little spoiling of myself ;)

i fully support indie camming and am so glad i made the change. ^_^

EvilChick1989
12-01-2011, 02:47 AM
Alertpay is dead. You can't even transfer money to a bank account anymore.